April 23, 201015 yr From what I recall, the ban on fox hunting had nothing to do with guns, but everything to do with animal rights activists lobbying.
April 23, 201015 yr From what I recall, the ban on fox hunting had nothing to do with guns, but everything to do with animal rights activists lobbying. I am not that informed on the whole gun rights/bans in other countries as I said. I just notice various videos from time to time & statistics. I do recall that the ban associated with the fox hunting...Long guns? Came a year or so after they banned handguns
April 23, 201015 yr It's something I can't really imagine... the UK is so small compared to the states that I suppose it's manageable without having arms... UK was not too happy with the new laws a short while ago. But they sat quietly too long. Left it to others & lost in the end. Criminals made out though with a 40% increase in firearm crime. Once they knew there was nothing to fear in the way of defense. A friend of mine who used to be a policeman in the UK told me that big brawls outside pubs of 15-20 people or so weren't uncommon there (in the home of football hooligans, no surprise). I told them that rarely happens in the US and that one reason is that you never know who might be packing.
April 23, 201015 yr The film was quite disingenuous. It started out by talking about the ban on fox hunting and implied that it was somehow connected with guns. The ban on fox hunting was a ban on hunting foxes with hounds and had nothing whatever to do with firearms. Firearms weren't used in fox hunting. The handgun ban in the UK came about as a result of Thomas Hamilton walking into Dunblane Primary School with two 9mm and two .357 Magnum pistols and firing 109 shots (alternating full metal jacket and hollow point). He killed fifteen 5 and 6 year old children and one teacher. He held licenses for the weapons. There have been no schoolyard massacres since the handgun ban. The case of Tony Martin is not quite as simple as it seems. The law on self defence in the UK is that you can use 'appropriate' force to defend yourself. If someone is threatening your life you are entitled to take theirs to defend yourself. What you aren't allowed to do is to chase them down the street and shoot them if they run away. That's no longer considered to be self defence. Tony Martin shot Fred Barass in the back as Barass was running away. That wasn't considered to be self defence. He was found guilty of murder in a properly constituted court of law by a jury. The verdict was subsequently reduced to manslaughter.
April 23, 201015 yr A friend of mine who used to be a policeman in the UK told me that big brawls outside pubs of 15-20 people or so weren't uncommon there (in the home of football hooligans, no surprise). I told them that rarely happens in the US and that one reason is that you never know who might be packing. Yes, I have a pal who had a gun 'shown' to him in the US, when he chatted up a woman at a bar. The boyfriends way of dealing with it... And you are quite right, in the UK in most large towns it is very dangerous, but the thigs usually just beat people up, odd stabbing etc... no shooting involved. I've been 'around' at least 20 street fights, and I come from one of the most 'civilised' towns in the UK! Edinburgh is wild, but Cardiff in Wales. Jeezuz, I've never seen so many broken noses. This may be a reason why British people are considered polite... because we are all squashed together and have to get along... or it's fisticuffs! But the USA is a different ball game... and the posts about the anti-hunting lobby ... these are purely actions against a class of people.. our countryside in the UK is dying due to the breakdown of village life... supermarkets etc... anyway... I like shooting myself... but a line needs to be drawn at military weapons surely!
April 23, 201015 yr The film was quite disingenuous. Sorry again as I said not the film I wanted. The other had Australia & UK Britain discussing gun control & showed the collection of thousands of weapons & the destruction of them etc.......was more appropriate. But the USA is a different ball game... I like shooting myself... but a line needs to be drawn at military weapons surely! Actually violent crime has been decreasing steadily in the US since 1993 http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm As for military weapons...You are not allowed any true military weapons. Because the difference is the full auto capabilities. Very few are allowed to own a full auto weapon & it is more of a collectors situation. No new full auto weapons have been sold in many decades to civilians. After much paper work & if you live in a handful of States that allow a Transfer of a Auto weapon & if you pay the BATF fees for the transfer stamp & pass the many background checks then maybe just maybe. But that is a very very small sector. Even then those can only be shot on occasion at shows for demonstration because who can afford the ammo? Except the military But many folks cry that old cry about assault weapons when in reality there is no such thing. A civilian AR-15 requires one trigger pull for every shot fired. Same with the AK-47 etc ( junk weapon too ) In many States even in these single pull single shot weapons the magazine capacity is limited. In reality there are no true assault type weaponry available to the general public it is just a term that is mis-used by the gun grabbing left wing nuts. All that they attempt to do is usurp the rights granted by the Constitutions 2nd amendment. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
May 4, 201015 yr QUOTE (whiterussian @ 2010-04-24 00:02:59) But the USA is a different ball game... I like shooting myself... but a line needs to be drawn at military weapons surely! =================================== Being one who visits the Philippines, gun control seems to be non-existant, it scares me. Most everyone seems to be packing heat. Mayors and politicians appear to have private militias. Nite clubs have signs asking people to check their guns. As New Zealander, I am amazed, our police are NOT routinely armed. Doormen at casino have automatic shotguns in hand, as do many bank security people. Even AK47s in public places. Side arms are every where, shopping malls, markets have armed security checking bags on entry. Seems overkill, but creates employment, I guess. Read of shootings quite regularly, work for undertakers too. I cannot see it getting better, gun control, I mean.
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