I find it most interesting when people are talking about their *relationships* on here. The sex you can pretty much take for granted, and that would be true anywhere if you're well-adjusted (and gay ). I mean, threads which are thinly disguised versions of 'Ha! See! I can have sex in modes X,Y,Z, too!' are actually pretty much public requests for ego-stroking, which is pretty sad. It's especially sad when the ego-stroking requested is for events that involved payment- 'Ha! See! I can pay for this shot of tequila- and it's REALLY NICE tequila! And I can drink it, too!'

It would be TONS more interesting and useful to me to hear someone telling details of a really, really long relationship with his partner here- like over 10-15 years or more- what challenges they faced, how culture related to it, and how they got through them as a couple, especially if they both lived here all the time.

On the other hand, it is even more mysterious to me the frequency with which couples suddenly become sexless within a relationship, often quite quickly- in gay terms this can be in only 1-2 years. And yet, frequently they don't break up.

If we had a TRULY introspective thread by someone who patronised the 'working' types, it could be quite interesting and wouldn't necessarily be about sex at all.

I think Mark and Ijustwannateach bring up some valid points. We are all products of what we were taught as children. That is mixed in with what we learned along the way in growing up, and very often we came to realize our parents (or in some cases, our priests) were wrong. But, it is very hard to change what we have been indocrinated with from an early age. On the open forum you run into a lot of very bigoted people, but in Bedlam there is a little more reason and civil responses brought into the discussions.

I’ve been on the internet for 20 years or so. In the West I never ran across a forum quite like Thai Visa.

There was nothing that bonded so many diverse types of people.

You have all of the extremes on Thai Visa.

I have posted on gay forums to ask questions I had about relationships with gay men working in bars and Thai women working in bars.

I have posted on ladyboy forums to ask questions I had about the perceived sexuality of men who like lady boys.

I also used to post on Stickman and made a number of long term friends there.

When I got to Thailand I had been a teetotaler for 15 years. The drinking looked like so much fun here I started drinking again. I did for a couple of years and then quit again. I noticed a big difference in sex when I was drinking. I also noticed a big difference in the people I hung around with.

There a lot of hard core alcoholics in Thailand, both Thai and Farang. My GF’s dad is one. He gets the shakes if he does not have a drink in the morning. The family understands this and surprisingly so does the hospital. When he gets sick they discharge him early so he can go home and drink.

I know when I drank I had a relationship with a Thai woman and we rarely had sex. Once a month maybe and only on her insistence. We went out almost every night, in Chiang Mai. There are a lot of places to go in Chiang Mai. We went to gay clubs in Chiang Mai. The old Adam’s Apple was one of our favorites and late night at Spicy. We had a lot of house parties that were mixed; straight and gay. Rarely a problem. I can’t imagine doing that in the West. If was fun having girls and guys flirt with you in the same room.

I like reading Ijustwannateach’s posts because I think gay guys have it made here. Of course maybe that is a case of the grass is always greener on the other side of the street.

I don’t know who has it made here. If one just wanted to get married and settle down why not stay in the west. It would be so much easier.

I have heros here. A gold minor who owns a couple of restaurants, houses and bars. His work is dangerous in all sorts of backwater countries in intolerable conditions. 6 months grueling, dirty, hazardous work and 6 months in Thailand with wild women and fast motorcycles touring all over the country (he doesn’t drink). I have a one legged friend who owns a very successful bar in Pattaya. His bar attracts an eclectic group of people. Old, young, football hooligans and spy’s. I don’t know why he gets such a unusual mix of people.

The guy who owns the bar is married to a Thai the gold minor isn’t.

When old guys come here to retire I wonder at the relationships they get involved in.

I would like to read some stories about real life in Thailand with the sex and drunken parties and near death experiences by some of the people posting on Thai Visa because from their posts I have come to know them a bit. Or moderators posts. I love it when moderators post as posters. Good stories and insightful posts. I wish they would do it more.

I went to a birthday party a few years ago in Pattaya. A guy named Kerry. He wrote a little about it. He spent 50,000 baht on the party. It was at a club owned by the Scandinavian mafia motorcycle gang.

It was too bad somebody couldn’t have posted a story about the entire birthday party.

I think there are ways to talk about sex without being crude. But I guess it would make those threads difficult to moderate. I was reminded lately that Thai Visa was a family oriented forum.

A young guy trying to live a normal western life here is not going to have much in common with an older guy married and divorced numerous times and retiring in Thailand to escape.

I don’t like Thailand because it is normal. I like it because it is weird. Sure you can find the normal and steep yourself in it so heavily that you might as well be in Columbus Ohio.

Sure you can find the normal and steep yourself in it so heavily that you might as well be in Columbus Ohio.

Really? Where? Not taking the piss, just curious because in all the years I have lived in Thailand and all the places I have seen in Thailand, nowhere has ever reminded me of Columbus Ohio. Do these places exist? and if so, how sad.

Sure you can find the normal and steep yourself in it so heavily that you might as well be in Columbus Ohio.

Really? Where? Not taking the piss, just curious because in all the years I have lived in Thailand and all the places I have seen in Thailand, nowhere has ever reminded me of Columbus Ohio. Do these places exist? and if so, how sad.

If there is somewhere in Thailand that is similar to Columbus Ohio I've never come across it. And yes, I HAVE been in Columbus, Ohio.

But, that's not what Mark is saying. He's just using it as an example of people who want to live in Thailand but NOT have it in any way different to where they used to live back home (wherever that might be). I guess if you lived in Bangkok and worked in the city, and never left the city, then there MIGHT be some similarities to other major metropolises around the world. To me, big cities are all the same and I don't like any of them.

And, there is nothing wrong with Columbus, Ohio. It obviously suits many people just fine. I couldn't imagine anyone WANTING to live in Detroit city either, but some people love it there... and thank god for that. Otherwise they might discover the places I like to go.

I don’t like Thailand because it is normal. I like it because it is weird.

Bingo!

This has turned into a bit of a gem of a thread. Interesting reading, folks. Please continue...

Yeah, physical sex aint everythink..... nope.

Having been on a prostate cancer therapy drug for over 2 years now,(Zoladex) I had been warned sex would fly out the door.

The thought horrified me at the time, life without bonking..... awwwwwwww.

Better than pushing up daisies from 6' under, for sure.

The drug has taken it all away from me, no sex in the normal sense, no desire in the presence of lusty femmes.

My partner, a lovely and loving Filipina lass, who I am about to marry, whom I met well after the drug had chemically castrated me, is totally understanding.

She and I have a great relationship, considering my condition.

No explicit descriptions about our love life, but we are happy as.

Hopefully, she will be a happy Kiwi in 6months or so, immigration being considerate.

Sure you can find the normal and steep yourself in it so heavily that you might as well be in Columbus Ohio.

Really? Where? Not taking the piss, just curious because in all the years I have lived in Thailand and all the places I have seen in Thailand, nowhere has ever reminded me of Columbus Ohio. Do these places exist? and if so, how sad.

It sure was nice to get back to Chiang Mai after my holiday. It was stressful. Although with all of the extra cash the GF has come up with lately (she dropped her new cell phone in the toilet at her birthday party and pulled out 10,000 Baht to buy a new one) I suspect the fish farm might be doing better than the official books I get each month indicate.

I am busy because opening up a new business in Thailand and it not easy. There are many forms to fill out and Lawyers to meet with and government officials to speak with.

Things are coming along for my new enterprise, “The Hello Handsome Man” school for bar girls. Although it has not been easy hiring English teachers and writing curriculum. Courses like “How much can an Australian really drink” and “How to avoid carpel tunnel syndrome when whipping people” but I am persevering.

OR.

Columbus is beautiful in the fall. The fast food restaurants all have Halloween promotions in full swing and the arts and crafts possibilities are endless.

Betty my wife is taking spot our dog to the vet to get his nails clipped and little Sam is off to football practice and Brittany is doing well at her tap and ballet lessons. Aunt Martha merging the local chapters of the DAR and the NAACP; they have a bang up Thanksgiving menu planned.

There are some differences between Columbus Ohio and Thailand.

When I first got to Thailand some ex pats in Chiang Mai asked me to a Sunday cook out. It was nice, they were nice folks. We drove out to a lovely house in the suburbs and everybody dressed up like Sunday in Columbus. Everyone had a wife, not a bar girl and 2.5 children and good jobs. The menu was the same as one might consume on a Sunday afternoon in Columbus Ohio. There was a football game on the TV and the men watched the footy and the ladies talked in the kitchen. The kids played in the pool.

Even SBK would have been hard pressed to tell the difference between that afternoon in Chiang Mai and Columbus Ohio.

I’m not saying there is anything wrong with having morals, preferences or a lifestyle that is similar to Columbus Ohio in Thailand. You see it all the time and it is sometimes reflected in of the posts which deal with animosity about sexual issues posted on Thai Visa.

A night out on the town for me includes dinner, drinks and a trip to the local go go be it male or female. I don’t care I like both.

Sure I take my GF, I’m not a cad. I can discuss sexual issues openly with most of the people I know socially and do.

I had lunch last week with Sorn. He showed us pictures on his cell phone of his new maid. Is this tacky? I don’t know, it did bring up a discussion of depilation. Sorn is married and his wife is upcountry for the month.

Sometimes you can take the man or woman out of Columbus but it is very difficult to take Columbus out of the man or woman.

Oh, so if a guy doesn't have a bargirl that makes him boring and middle class. Got it. Cheers for the explanation.

Frankly, it sounds as if you judge everyone around you by the way you choose to live your life, much like the supposed people with animosity about others posting their sex lives for all and sundry to peruse and cogitate over.

Same stuffing, different shirt is all.

Oh, so if a guy doesn't have a bargirl that makes him boring and middle class. Got it. Cheers for the explanation.

Frankly, it sounds as if you judge everyone around you by the way you choose to live your life, much like the supposed people with animosity about others posting their sex lives for all and sundry to peruse and cogitate over.

Same stuffing, different shirt is all.

Exactly. Same stuffing different shirt. Some people can’t tolerate intolerance and others can’t tolerate tolerance. They are completely different but both people can’t tolerate something. So both people are intolerant.

I don’t think judge is the right word though. However if one comes to Thailand and marries the same woman he might have run into in Columbus I wonder why he came to Thailand.

I would add that boring and middle class are not bad things. That pretty well describes Columbus Ohio. It’s not my cup of tea but a lot of people like boring and middle class.

Not taking a piss here but I really don’t get the negative feelings about those posting their sex lives for all to peruse and cogitate over.

Lets face it most did not get sex education in school and if our parents were boring and middle class not from them so where better than to learn about sex than Thai Visa.

I don't have animosity about it, I just don't understand why anyone should think I should care one fig about what they do with their sex lives. I mean, really. Its just not that interesting. And I dont' really care. Unfortunately for me, I get stuck reading it. And I will have to tell you, usually its just TOO MUCH INFORMATION.

I suspect many people don't really care one way or the other who you shag and I suspect alot of the animosity is directed at the fact that its being pushed into our faces when we don't really care. Kinda like Christian missionaries proselytizing on my doorstep. You are welcome to your beliefs but don't expect me to believe them and don't expect me to listen.

I don't have animosity about it, I just don't understand why anyone should think I should care one fig about what they do with their sex lives. I mean, really. Its just not that interesting. And I dont' really care. Unfortunately for me, I get stuck reading it. And I will have to tell you, usually its just TOO MUCH INFORMATION.

I suspect many people don't really care one way or the other who you shag and I suspect alot of the animosity is directed at the fact that its being pushed into our faces when we don't really care. Kinda like Christian missionaries proselytizing on my doorstep. You are welcome to your beliefs but don't expect me to believe them and don't expect me to listen.

Ah, but if you DON'T like reading it then why did you become a moderator on a forum where that is the main topic?

What people consider interesting is a whole different subject, and the reason why we have so many different sub-forums. I couldn't possibly read them all if I devoted an entire day to doing so. I enjoy discussions on relationships. It puts a personal touch to those I'm conversing with and I begin to understand the person. I also enjoy topics on sports, fishing, photography and family issues. I don't bother with the gay forum, women's health issues, or many of the other sub-forums unless I'm asked a specific question. I seldom discuss politics either because people are too polarized. The crazy posts in the general forum can be fun occasionally because it's sort of like watching a train wreck... you don't want to be there but you can't help but watch.

I can understand someone warning another person when they are doing something foolish, but I CAN'T understand the animosity when doing so. It's one thing to say it isn't wise to buy a bar girl a big house in the country after knowing her for 2 days, but it's off board to call him a stupid idiot for doing so. Who knows, maybe it could work out.

The main subject of this forum is & has always been Thailand Visas. That the forum has grown to include other subject matter related to Thailand doesn't nor ever will, make it a forum devoted to men going on about their sex lives.

Ah, but if you DON'T like reading it then why did you become a moderator on a forum where that is the main topic?

Call me a voyeur (or is that voyeuse, yup) but i enjoy the sob story threads. They make me laugh, some have made me cry and some have totally made me baffled.

I also like the house thread - where people showed us pics of their houses. Interesting.

Talking about personal sex lives - its a sort of 50/50 thing. I am interested, but do not want the gory ins and outs (pun intended) about some guys latest squeeze that cost him 600 instead of 1000. There are other forums for that, including pics (I know because a friend who uses my computer looks them up when he thinks i don't know). We laugh about it.

I have talked about personal things here, and had great (and the obviously shitty) replies. Those times, i think, is because i wanted advice other than face to face contact with friends or family. A sort of other opinion from faceless, understanding people.

I enjoyed Bonobo's thread about Western women. I read it and was going to reply but it was closed before I had a chance. Apart from remarking upon his bare chested torso photo!! Which, in hindsight, I should have saved at the time.

So, all in all. Chat away about anything (within boundaries). I can always choose not to read.

I don't have animosity about it, I just don't understand why anyone should think I should care one fig about what they do with their sex lives. I mean, really. Its just not that interesting. And I dont' really care. Unfortunately for me, I get stuck reading it. And I will have to tell you, usually its just TOO MUCH INFORMATION.

I suspect many people don't really care one way or the other who you shag and I suspect alot of the animosity is directed at the fact that its being pushed into our faces when we don't really care. Kinda like Christian missionaries proselytizing on my doorstep. You are welcome to your beliefs but don't expect me to believe them and don't expect me to listen.

I would agree. I think most of the animosity comes from people who don’t want to read about sex reading about sex.

It seems like almost any thread you read on Thailand based forums has something to do with sex.

One would be hard pressed to find more sexually repressive English speaking environments than the UK and the US.

The people who make the rules there are all in favor of sexual repression. Look at poor Bill Clinton. In Thailand they named bars after his mistress while he got impeached in the US for lying about having sex with a woman half his age who worked for him with a cigar. Everyone in Thailand realized that is the kind of thing a married man is supposed to lie about.

For a malcontent like me it is no problem reading about sex on almost every thread. I never fit in in the Western world anyway.

When I go home from Lotus and see 10 brothels in the 100 meter walk from the store to my parked car it gives me a reassuring feeling that I am here and not in Columbus Ohio. There are not ten brothels between the grocery store and the parking lot in Columbus Ohio, I can assure you.

Although I understand your point sometimes it is necessary to discuss sex to explain the circumstances of an event.

For example a friend of mine who is a teacher got fired. He was one of the best teachers I have ever met. The kids loved him. The kids learned more with him than any other teacher they had. He went out of his way to advance the school spending his own money and time to create new sports teams and academic competitions. So why did he get fired? He did nothing even remotely illegal.

He had an affair with a hi so Thai teacher who was engaged to a hi so Thai man. But it wasn’t just any old affair. He ……..

But I can’t tell you because it would be a sexually explicit discussion. It also sheds light on Thai culture and the education system. But I can’t tell you.

You see that’s where I differ with you. I think everyone wants to know. I even think everyone would like a photo. Yes, he took photos too.

I think people like reading about sex all the time. I think people like going to movies about sex. I think people like reading newspapers about sex. I think everyone except a very small vocal minority like stories spiced up with a bit of sex.

Checking the ladies forum for threads longer than three pages I came up with. Are Thai women incurious lovers, Waxing down there, What turns you off, Are prostitutes annoying, The mistress aka number 2, Dear Mr. NeverDie Question number 1. Why is it if I ask my husband to do something (easy even, like get the milk out of the fridge) and he's standing right next to me he can't hear me but if he's in the other room with the door closed and the tv on I could whisper "How about a steak and a bj" and he'd hear every word?

In the last instance I think the reference to a BJ makes the post. It add some sex to a normally not sexy subject like milk and the fridge.

Yes, and it was meant as a joke rather than as any personal expose

The main subject of this forum is & has always been Thailand Visas. That the forum has grown to include other subject matter related to Thailand doesn't nor ever will, make it a forum devoted to men going on about their sex lives.

Ah, but if you DON'T like reading it then why did you become a moderator on a forum where that is the main topic?

I completely understand your point although it may be worth noting that there are 31,706 topics about Visas and 259,445 topics about other issues. About 9 to 1.

Him missed Jamil!!!

gardening, pets, football, real estate, cars, classified, jokes, teaching, families & children, photography, local sub forums. Not one an open invite to discuss your sex life

gardening, pets, football, real estate, cars, classified, jokes, teaching, families & children, photography, local sub forums. Not one an open invite to discuss your sex life

You are right, But, that is where the "general" sub-forum comes in. Maybe there should be a sub-forum where ONLY "relationships" are discussed... instead of calling it "General". I've never seen any sex related replies in any of those specific information forums.

We also discuss relationships in each of the separate area (Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Pattaya, etc) sub-forums, but not so much. It's hard NOT to include relationship topics when specifics are discussed. It could be the simple reason of why you live in a specific area. Someone CHOOSING to move to Pattaya certainly shouldn't complain about the night life upsetting his quiet life... but they do. Conversely, someone shouldn't complain about local Thai farmers if he or she CHOOSES to live in a rural Thai area.

And, Mark brings up a lot of good points. Our personal sexuality DOES govern our lives. We have relationships that prosper or wither because of it. A person with a good sex life is usually a happy person. Someone without a good sex life has to pursue other interests to ignore the basic urges. If a person doesn't have either then it tends to make that person bitter and resentful of anyone who DOES have a good sex life.

gardening, pets, football, real estate, cars, classified, jokes, teaching, families & children, photography, local sub forums. Not one an open invite to discuss your sex life

You are right, But, that is where the "general" sub-forum comes in. Maybe there should be a sub-forum where ONLY "relationships" are discussed... instead of calling it "General". I've never seen any sex related replies in any of those specific information forums.

We also discuss relationships in each of the separate area (Bangkok, Chiang Mai, Pattaya, etc) sub-forums, but not so much. It's hard NOT to include relationship topics when specifics are discussed. It could be the simple reason of why you live in a specific area. Someone CHOOSING to move to Pattaya certainly shouldn't complain about the night life upsetting his quiet life... but they do. Conversely, someone shouldn't complain about local Thai farmers if he or she CHOOSES to live in a rural Thai area.

And, Mark brings up a lot of good points. Our personal sexuality DOES govern our lives. We have relationships that prosper or wither because of it. A person with a good sex life is usually a happy person. Someone without a good sex life has to pursue other interests to ignore the basic urges. If a person doesn't have either then it tends to make that person bitter and resentful of anyone who DOES have a good sex life.

Ian I think the point is the people who have an animosity towards discussing sex don’t want you to discuss sex.

Same as the people who want to outlaw prostitution. They don’t use prostitutes they don’t want you to use prostitutes.

The people who want to outlaw go go’s don’t ever go into go go’s they don’t want you to go to go go’s.

The people who don’t like Pattaya don’t go to Pattaya, that’s a non issue. They don’t want you to go to Pattaya.

The people who don’t want you to talk about sex were the truth known have a sex life that would fill the world with shock and horror. They can’t abide you talking about your sex life because it is relatively banal and normal, albeit a man of your advanced years is not supposed to have any sex life at all.

Who knows the truth? Almost illiterate women who sit on the rice paddies during planting time and reminisce about the past season in the pleasure palaces of debauchery. Or a chance meeting with a foreign man while they served chicken and rice or sold him a cap.

They nod their heads and smile slap their thighs and ball up their rice and dream at night but they aren’t going to tell the folks on this forum the real story.

It is pretty much an illusion that the young are happy. Me burst their bubble. Not a chance!

You both, mark & Ian, make many assumption about people who don't want to read about your sex or romantic lives. The simple reason could just be that we don't want to know that much information about you. You & what you get up just isn't that interesting & many of us, me included, find your multiple post of basically the same ball swinging, quite boring & repetitive.

You both, mark & Ian, make many assumption about people who don't want to read about your sex or romantic lives. The simple reason could just be that we don't want to know that much information about you. You & what you get up just isn't that interesting & many of us, me included, find your multiple post of basically the same ball swinging, quite boring & repetitive.

So what you are basically saying, Boo, is the forums should ONLY be about where to get a good hamburger, or how to get from A to B?

This topic isn't about sexuality at all. It is about negative replies to topics, and personal attacks towards people who believe differently to themselves. Unless you haven't noticed, I don't start topics on sexuality. I just respond to the questions asked or replied to. And, I always do so in a helpful manner. I can't recall EVER making a vindictive reply to anyone... even if I get attacked myself. If I find a topic boring then I just stop reading or following it. Unfortunately, as a moderator you HAVE to read them and respond if someone steps out of line. I consider the moderators my friends because they keep some semblance of order in what could turn into chaos if not controlled.

I've made many personal friends on these forums that have enriched my life immensely. It wouldn't have happened if I hadn't been so open with my own life. I wouldn't even have spent the time in Thailand that I have had it not been for the people I've met through these forums. Photos posted by Kanwin and other photographers have opened my eyes to some hidden beauties of Thailand, and I've tried to do the same.

I am sure you are a perfectly nice person Ian BUT......every single time you post it seems to be about your sex life or what a nice guy you are & how people are always being mean to you or not understanding your sex life.

That is what I personally find boring.

If you are going to post all the time about your sex life or how you are such a nice but seemingly misunderstood guy you should expect that people are going to comment on it so just stop creating posts making claims about how those who dont want to read about you, your sex life, what a great guy you are, how popular you are with the women etc are somehow sexually repressed or moralizing.

We aren't, we just get bored of having to read this stuff all the time.

And why should we NOT read threads just in case you (or others) decide to share yet more totally irrelevant & off topic content regarding your life, gf's, family, life woes? How do I know when I open a thread whether you or others are going to post this stuff that really is TMI.

The forum isn't about you but if you try to make it so by posting about yourself continually then don't complain when other posters object or don't pat you on the back for it or make comment that you don't agree with on your (fully disclosed) life choices.

I quite like him

I quite like him

I don't think anybody has said they dislike Ian

I am sure you are a perfectly nice person Ian BUT......every single time you post it seems to be about your sex life or what a nice guy you are & how people are always being mean to you or not understanding your sex life.

That is what I personally find boring.

If you are going to post all the time about your sex life or how you are such a nice but seemingly misunderstood guy you should expect that people are going to comment on it so just stop creating posts making claims about how those who dont want to read about you, your sex life, what a great guy you are, how popular you are with the women etc are somehow sexually repressed or moralizing.

We aren't, we just get bored of having to read this stuff all the time.

And why should we NOT read threads just in case you (or others) decide to share yet more totally irrelevant & off topic content regarding your life, gf's, family, life woes? How do I know when I open a thread whether you or others are going to post this stuff that really is TMI.

The forum isn't about you but if you try to make it so by posting about yourself continually then don't complain when other posters object or don't pat you on the back for it or make comment that you don't agree with on your (fully disclosed) life choices.

That is a fair enough comment, Boo, but I wasn't complaining about people taking shots at me, or what they think of me. I don't really care. If I did then I wouldn't post anything on thaivisa. In fact I don't recall anyone disagreeing too much with me. It was the nasty comments directed at others that concern me. Most people are a lot more fragile than me and might leave an otherwise interesting discussion because others take personal shots at them. Many times I've seen an OP never respond after many people make fun of their situation and they seldom come back to thaivisa.

Most everything I've learned has been through life experiences that I pay attention to. As a writer and an outdoorsman I have to analyze things to be a better writer and correct mistakes. Some lessons learned have kept me alive in dicey situations.

Yes, the forum ISN'T about me, but if I can offer some advice that might be of help to others then I'll give it freely. I only use personal experiences or photos to show my point.

If the mods here want me to leave thaivisa, then just say so, and I'll leave. I've got better things to do than help others. I probably waste too much time as it is on this forum.

Not all of us know it all. Most people enjoy detail in a story or posting to get a feel for the story or the problem. Only rarely can one give too much information.

I started a thread a while back about the origin of Pattaya. In the beginning of the thread it seemed as if I was correct in my assumptions about the beginning of Pattaya.

As the thread progressed it began to change and I almost whished people would stop posting.

In the end it turned out that I was wrong. I admitted my error and that was that.

I don’t know it all so it is pretty easy for me to admit when I am wrong.

I have read a lot of books about Thailand. That thread about Pattaya contained the most accurate information about the formation of that modern Thai city that is currently available. There is a lot of misinformation and downright lies about Pattaya on the net and the information in that thread corrected it.

Thailand in its modern mode has an interesting history. There are still people alive who have seen most of it. A lot of those people read and post on Thai Visa. But it is a resource that is rapidly shrinking because those people are dieing.

45 years ago an Air Force sergeant fell in love with a lady boy at U-Tapao. They got married and he took her back to Wyoming. They have lived in that cowboy state for almost 50 years. Is the story about sex?

Respectable people come to Thailand for the food, weather and culture.

Pardon me if I don’t buy the argument.

Not everyone wants a wife and a little cottage, and Oprah on cable.

There are a number of French restaurants next to the electronics mall in Pattaya in a primarily gay area. The food is great and they post the daily menus outside on blackboards. My idea of a great night is eating French food, good conversation with interesting companions. I have made my Hemingway fantasy a reality. And it is at least as interesting as the Left Bank in Paris in the 1920’s because of my companions. Sex? It is all about sex. There is Henry and June, and illegal cookies and Gertrude Stein - all Thai versions. The writing of the lost generation is far superior to the writing of the ex pats around Pattaya and Thailand. I keep hoping to find someone who approaches a decent standard of writing in the story of current day Thailand. I keep reading Stickman and Thailand stories hoping someone will emerge.

A couple of the important members of Thai visa have stated that they think Ian and I posting about our sex lives is immature and simply too much information; further that they don’t want to know about it. I read Henry Miller and Norman Mailer and James Baldwin. It is about sex. I read Tennessee Williams and William Burroughs and it’s all about sex. I read The Barracks Room Ballads about South East Asia by Kipling and it’s about sex.

There is a thread running now about “Dross, Expat author nonsense.” It is about authors who write about Thailand. The books are about sex.

In the 1850’s in the US the great majority of people were against slavery. However it existed because all states had two senators regardless of population. It was called the tyranny of the minority.

I think that is why there is animosity in postings about sex. It is clearly a minority view but the minority hold the strings of power.

You seem to miss my point Mark. Yes, I do find yours & others posts about your sex lives boring, not becuase I am sexually repressed but because for me, some things just don't need to be discussed on thaivisa & also because to me at least (and I imagine many others) it seems to be some posters ONLY subject & one they like to try to bring up in even the most unrelated threads.

That said, I don't think I have ever moderated one of your posts about it, nor one of Ians. My main gripe, is when after posting all this personal info, threads such as this one, complaining & judging other posters for making comment about it are created by the exact same posters who is posting their every moment on the forum.

Post away but quit complaining when you get judged or commented on & please, for god sake, stop making ridiculous claims of those posters being jealous/repressed/prudish etc when they are most likely just sick & bored of reading about you & your sex lives.

If you chose to disclose that much info on a web forum that can be read by anyone in the world with access to the internet then you also have to accept that not everyone will agree with your lifestyle, choices or even what you have to say about gardening. That is the nature of the web forum but we do have a report function next time you see something that you think is getting out of hand.