PM Abhisit Announces Next Election Will Be Held On Nov 14

[Jerrytheyoung]

What I say.....Wait and see the day is going to be long...

Not all the coalition is on the same frequency.......

"Democrats Party Advisor Denies Knowledge of PM Roadmap

Former PM and chief advisor to the Democrat Party Chuan Leekpai has denied knowledge of the roadmap proposed by PM Abhisit Vejjajiva on May 3. The PM proposed that a new round of elections be held on November 14. Chuan, instead, has urged PM Abhisit not to bow to anti-government protesters' pressure and called for an early House dissolution. "

Edited May 4, 2010 by Jerrytheyoung

[lannarebirth]

What I say.....Wait and see the day is going to be long...

Not all the coalition is on the same frequency.......

"Democrats Party Advisor Denies Knowledge of PM Roadmap

Former PM and chief advisor to the Democrat Party Chuan Leekpai has denied knowledge of the roadmap proposed by PM Abhisit Vejjajiva on May 3. The PM proposed that a new round of elections be held on November 14. Chuan, instead, has urged PM Abhisit not to bow to anti-government protesters' pressure and called for an early House dissolution. "

I think that was a typo by one of the news sources here. I thinkn "called" should read "call". Anyway, it looks like Abhisit is running to the middle. That's a good thing as that's where you'll find most of the non-aligned people (and votes).

Edited May 4, 2010 by lannarebirth

[kissdani]

Democrats Party Advisor Denies Knowledge of PM Roadmap

Former PM and chief advisor to the Democrat Party Chuan Leekpai has denied knowledge of the roadmap proposed by PM Abhisit Vejjajiva on May 3. The PM proposed that a new round of elections be held on November 14. Chuan, instead, has urged PM Abhisit not to bow to anti-government protesters' pressure and called for an early House dissolution.

-- Tan Network 2010-05-04

"NOT to bow to ... pressure" and "called for ... house dissolution".

He can't be saying both of these.

Is there something else need to be said about the stability and unity of the system Abhisit government.

On the other hand it is just Chuan Leekpai as we know him, he didn't get the information yet, so he cannot make any comments at the moment. Abhist pulls the same trick too from time to time.

[YORKSHIREPUD]

a little more than 3 months, as proposed by the protesters

What solutions were the protestors offering for all Thais, or any Thais for that matter?

They were offering nothing to anyone. Am I going crazy, but surely its nearer to 6 months not 3???

This will be well accepted by the world media and seen badly if rejected by the reds.

Cheer, Rick

It was 6 months when I went to school :D

[jdinasia]

Can't see the red leaders getting Amnesty the PM has been firm on this he wants people charged and investigations to continue.

What a load of shit.......the yellow shirts occupied the the parliment house and shut down the airport, his foreign minister is a core leader of PAD involved in the airport closure...why no action taken yet as Abishit has promised...

Wrong ---

The cases against the PAD leadership are ongoing. The PAD never 'occupied' Parliament House. Kasit is not a core leader of the PAD and never was. Kasit did appear on the PAD stages a few times.

So action HAS been taken.

[pornsasi]

Huh?

Abhisit has done more for sustainable change in Thailand than anyone else ever has! He took the failed 30 baht health scheme and made it free and increased funding. He made education actually free. He created a debt-relief plan to solve the problems created by Thaksin's loans (that were designed to create a client/Patron dynamic with the rural poor and Thaksin.) He has come up with a taxation plan that hits only landowners that hold on to tracts of undeveloped land. (Flying in the face of claims that he is in the pocket of the elite, since only the 'elite' own large tracts of undeveloped land. In fact I can tell you that people around Chiang Mai that have been sitting on land that is undeveloped have started looking at ways to develop it, which will avoid the taxes proposed AND add to the tax base by providing work and business tax.

I really do understand that those that are diyed-in-the-wool Thaksin fans have to demonize Abhisit. The difference in public image between a convicted felon that abused his power as PM and ran away from a jail-term compared to someone that actually wants sustainable change for Thai people! It must hurt a lot!

Yes . PM Abhisit has not conducted a policy of extra judiciary killings resulting in the death of children .

Unlike Thaksin .

The PM may be not be perfect but i would choose him over Mr T any goddamn day

Edit : Typo

Edited May 4, 2010 by pornsasi

[jdinasia]

There is no question the democrats dissolution will come and Abhisit will get banned from politics for 5 years.

Actually that is in question. Its been reported that this not a clear cut case and the Democrats have a good defence which may prolong this investigation for up to one year, so it certainly does not look like they'll be disbanded before dissolution.

Besides why would they want to delay house dissolution if they knew full well that they would not be around to partake in the electoral process? It makes no sense.

Agreed ... the evidence against the Dems is not clear-cut (from my understanding) like the video evidence that was submitted against PPP.

Allegations and single source circumstantial evidence will not get the Democrats disbanded. Should new evidence that the public has not been told about arise, such as evidence that money was actually paid into the Democrat account or large payments to individual Dems that are executives of the party, then it will be a different ballgame and the Dems will be history. What has been said publicly about the evidence given to the EC does not give most people much to worry about though.

The second question would be, who were party executives at the time of the alleged illegal campaign contributions? Only those that were executives at that time would be banned. It may actually affect more than one party if the Democrats are disbanded and party executives from the Dems at that time have moved to any other political party.

No worry Abhisit will be banned, he was already an executive at this time.

The video in the PPP case actually didn't played a big role how the EC came to their conclusion if it had played any role at all. It was the account of a witness who delivered the EC and the court all the evidence they needed.

Just study they dissolution cases of the PPP and the other parties and you will be convinced that the democrats will meet no other fate, but the same = dissolution. The court is firm and fair.

To belief otherwise is a clear sign that you are lacking/missing information and knowledge.

While I agree the courts are typically firm and fair ... I disagree with your conclusion. We will see if the dems get disbanded or not in 6-12 months.

[gl9999]

THE NATION: Urgent: Chavalit praises PM's road map. He also says protest will end tomorrow.

Peace at last.

For now...

[lannarebirth]

THE NATION: Urgent: Chavalit praises PM's road map. He also says protest will end tomorrow.

Any word from Chamlong yet?

This is all about "pulling people to the middle".

[pornsasi]

Democrats Party Advisor Denies Knowledge of PM Roadmap

Former PM and chief advisor to the Democrat Party Chuan Leekpai has denied knowledge of the roadmap proposed by PM Abhisit Vejjajiva on May 3. The PM proposed that a new round of elections be held on November 14. Chuan, instead, has urged PM Abhisit not to bow to anti-government protesters' pressure and called for an early House dissolution.

-- Tan Network 2010-05-04

"NOT to bow to ... pressure" and "called for ... house dissolution".

He can't be saying both of these.

Is there something else need to be said about the stability and unity of the system Abhisit government.

On the other hand it is just Chuan Leekpai as we know him, he didn't get the information yet, so he cannot make any comments at the moment. Abhist pulls the same trick too from time to time.

Another reason why the PM should be elected by the thai people rather then by a fleety coalition of conflicting and changing interests .

Within the constitutional monarchy and under the supreme authority of HM that is ...

[ChiangMaiFun]

Agreed ... the evidence against the Dems is not clear-cut (from my understanding) like the video evidence that was submitted against PPP.

Allegations and single source circumstantial evidence will not get the Democrats disbanded. Should new evidence that the public has not been told about arise, such as evidence that money was actually paid into the Democrat account or large payments to individual Dems that are executives of the party, then it will be a different ballgame and the Dems will be history. What has been said publicly about the evidence given to the EC does not give most people much to worry about though.

The second question would be, who were party executives at the time of the alleged illegal campaign contributions? Only those that were executives at that time would be banned. It may actually affect more than one party if the Democrats are disbanded and party executives from the Dems at that time have moved to any other political party.

No worry Abhisit will be banned, he was already an executive at this time.

The video in the PPP case actually didn't played a big role how the EC came to their conclusion if it had played any role at all. It was the account of a witness who delivered the EC and the court all the evidence they needed.

Just study they dissolution cases of the PPP and the other parties and you will be convinced that the democrats will meet no other fate, but the same = dissolution. The court is firm and fair.

To belief otherwise is a clear sign that you are lacking/missing information and knowledge.

While I agree the courts are typically firm and fair ... I disagree with your conclusion. We will see if the dems get disbanded or not in 6-12 months.

haha you do make me laugh - naturally we all agree - typically firm and fair!!!

[pornsasi]

The grenade attacks could be the responsibility of multiple groups with different agendas.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Mystery-Atta...uc-t351627.html

Yes exactly . If the governement cant , pointless for us to go and figure LOL.

But Anupong restrain seems to support the theory of deep divisions in the

army

[lannarebirth]

The grenade attacks could be the responsibility of multiple groups with different agendas.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Mystery-Atta...uc-t351627.html

Yes exactly . If the governement cant , pointless for us to go and figure LOL.

But Anupong restrain seems to support the theory of deep divisions in the

army

To a certain extent, but moreso I think it points to the rise of the professional soldier who resents getting pulled into political and other ^^^ squabbles, and that's a good thing.

[jdinasia]

THE NATION: Urgent: Chavalit praises PM's road map. He also says protest will end tomorrow.

Any word from Chamlong yet?

This is all about "pulling people to the middle".

Chavalit is likely one of the few PTP leaders that are most at risk .... let's see how it plays out!

Chamlong and the PAD leadership are rather unimportant unless we see a return of Thaksin. Then they'll be out in force to make sure that Thaksin serves time in jail!

[jdinasia]

The grenade attacks could be the responsibility of multiple groups with different agendas.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Mystery-Atta...uc-t351627.html

Yes exactly . If the governement cant , pointless for us to go and figure LOL.

But Anupong restrain seems to support the theory of deep divisions in the

army

To a certain extent, but moreso I think it points to the rise of the professional soldier who resents getting pulled into political and other ^^^ squabbles, and that's a good thing.

Or simply that Anupong wants to make his move on Sae daeng in his own time and in a meaningful way.

[lannarebirth]

THE NATION: Urgent: Chavalit praises PM's road map. He also says protest will end tomorrow.

Any word from Chamlong yet?

This is all about "pulling people to the middle".

Chavalit is likely one of the few PTP leaders that are most at risk .... let's see how it plays out!

Chamlong and the PAD leadership are rather unimportant unless we see a return of Thaksin. Then they'll be out in force to make sure that Thaksin serves time in jail!

Maybe you didn't understand the PM's proposal. This isn't the end of anyting but the start of something. These people are all going to be sitting at the table. Hopefully with a whole lot more learned , forward thinking and reasonable folks too.

[ChiangMaiFun]

THE NATION: Urgent: Chavalit praises PM's road map. He also says protest will end tomorrow.

Any word from Chamlong yet?

This is all about "pulling people to the middle".

Chavalit is likely one of the few PTP leaders that are most at risk .... let's see how it plays out!

Chamlong and the PAD leadership are rather unimportant unless we see a return of Thaksin. Then they'll be out in force to make sure that Thaksin serves time in jail!

Maybe you didn't understand the PM's proposal. This isn't the end of anyting but the start of something. These people are all going to be sitting at the table. Hopefully with a whole lot more learned , forward thinking and reasonable folks too.

I really hope so...

[pornsasi]

THE NATION: Urgent: Chavalit praises PM's road map. He also says protest will end tomorrow.

Any word from Chamlong yet?

This is all about "pulling people to the middle".

It seems on its way to a peaceful end , lets have a beer or two .

[yoshiwara]

anybody realise hte missing point here ??????? this is to cover the period for the Military reshuffle in October, that is what this whole delay is about. so who says the elite (military) dont run thiscountry,, bah,,,,

Oops, why didn't I think of that before?

Time to SMS the RED-shirt about this.

One can see through all of this thread that the forum red cheerleaders are uncomfortable.

The T-shirt brigade are uncomfortable that their adventure in support of an ersatz revolution might be over

And the hard-liners are uncomfortable that the army might not be reporting directly to Thaksin.

Which was the whole strategy of this campaign.

So they twist and turn while waiting for Thaksin's response on Wednesday.

Now let's see who is calling the shots for the red leadership.

[pornsasi]

The grenade attacks could be the responsibility of multiple groups with different agendas.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Mystery-Atta...uc-t351627.html

Yes exactly . If the governement cant , pointless for us to go and figure LOL.

But Anupong restrain seems to support the theory of deep divisions in the

army

To a certain extent, but moreso I think it points to the rise of the professional soldier who resents getting pulled into political and other ^^^ squabbles, and that's a good thing.

Agree 100% with your statement . By all account Gen Anupong is a moderate who has played a major role in bringing all this madness to a peaceful solution .

I hope he gets some of the credit .

However i am VERY worried about Gen Prayuth ..

[timekeeper]

There is no question the democrats dissolution will come and Abhisit will get banned from politics for 5 years.

Actually that is in question. Its been reported that this not a clear cut case and the Democrats have a good defence which may prolong this investigation for up to one year, so it certainly does not look like they'll be disbanded before dissolution.

Besides why would they want to delay house dissolution if they knew full well that they would not be around to partake in the electoral process? It makes no sense.

Agreed ... the evidence against the Dems is not clear-cut (from my understanding) like the video evidence that was submitted against PPP.

Allegations and single source circumstantial evidence will not get the Democrats disbanded. Should new evidence that the public has not been told about arise, such as evidence that money was actually paid into the Democrat account or large payments to individual Dems that are executives of the party, then it will be a different ballgame and the Dems will be history. What has been said publicly about the evidence given to the EC does not give most people much to worry about though.

The second question would be, who were party executives at the time of the alleged illegal campaign contributions? Only those that were executives at that time would be banned. It may actually affect more than one party if the Democrats are disbanded and party executives from the Dems at that time have moved to any other political party.

No worry Abhisit will be banned, he was already an executive at this time.

The video in the PPP case actually didn't played a big role how the EC came to their conclusion if it had played any role at all. It was the account of a witness who delivered the EC and the court all the evidence they needed.

Just study they dissolution cases of the PPP and the other parties and you will be convinced that the democrats will meet no other fate, but the same = dissolution. The court is firm and fair.

To belief otherwise is a clear sign that you are lacking/missing information and knowledge.

you can keep banging this drum but it won't make a tune worth dancing to

dissolution will never happen by this route and you are wasting your time trying to convince the knowledgeable people on here otherwise

[Tigs]

Thaksin Hires International Law Firm

Fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra has hired international law firm Amsterdam & Peroff to help him fight for what he said restoration of democracy and rule of law in Thailand.

Robert Amsterdam, founding partner of Amsterdam & Peroff said in the firm's press release that the firm is pleased to be retained by Thaksin to work on this urgent matter.

"We acknowledge the challenging complexity and sensitivity of the political crisis unraveling Thai society. It is our intention to explore every legal avenue to assist this pro-democracy movement, and urge the international community not to tolerate the government's violent crackdown on peaceful protestors."

The press release said Thaksin, who served as Thailand's premier from 2001 to 2006 before being unlawfully forced from office by a military coup, has been living in self-exile for the past two years despite repeated victories in democratic elections.

The protestors affiliated with the National United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD, or "Red Shirts"), suffered 27 casualties in violent confrontations with police and military in the month of April.

Amsterdam & Peroff, founded in 1980 by partners Robert Amsterdam and Dean Peroff, is an international law firm specializing in complex multi-jurisdictional litigation, commercial arbitration, and political advocacy in challenging emerging markets. The firm maintains offices in London, Washington, DC and Toronto.

Well I hope the Thai Government slap a law suit on this firm straight away for describing the protestors as peaceful. Lawyers have less morals than a hooker on heroin.

Edited May 4, 2010 by Tigs

[tombradly]

Fool us once, shame on you.

Fool us a second time, shame on us.

Only a complete moron would believe anything the current government says.

No deal.

Reds will hold the city until the government folds.

[ChiangMaiFun]

Fool us once, shame on you.

Fool us a second time, shame on us.

Only a complete moron would believe anything the current government says.

No deal.

Reds will hold the city until the government folds.

Well... I really don't think this is great tactics - I'm not quite sure if you are serious or not - I don't support this as I think the reds have to take this date now and work with it - reds 'don't hold the city' it's a pipedream - they have to be seen to compromise - or they will be crushed I'm afraid and lose all public support.

[Jingthing]

Fool us once, shame on you.

Fool us a second time, shame on us.

Only a complete moron would believe anything the current government says.

No deal.

Reds will hold the city until the government folds.

Well... I really don't think this is great tactics - I'm not quite sure if you are serious or not - I don't support this as I think the reds have to take this date now and work with it - reds 'don't hold the city' it's a pipedream - they have to be seen to compromise - or they will be crushed I'm afraid and lose all public support.

Uh oh, first time I have agreed with you. Something must be wrong.

[jayboy]

One can see through all of this thread that the forum red cheerleaders are uncomfortable.

Your argument is difficult to follow (that's being polite) but one cheerleader group that might be feeling uncomfortable is the one that saw this conflict in one dimensional terms, and that notwithstanding this infantile approach was still baying for bloodshed.All credit to Abhisit who has played a blinder despite pressures from all sides and perhaps from above.To a more more civilised poster I suggested some time ago that Abhisit couldn't win the forthcoming election.I suppose that's still my view but I pray that he does, and especially that the Reds show proper compromise in this delicate phase of negotiations.Abhisit will need on his side to keep the deeply unattractive and dangerous Suthep on a leash and in particular puncture (behind the scenes if necessary) dishonest conspiracy plot the latter is peddling.

Edited May 4, 2010 by jayboy

[tombradly]

Fool us once, shame on you.

Fool us a second time, shame on us.

Only a complete moron would believe anything the current government says.

No deal.

Reds will hold the city until the government folds.

Well... I really don't think this is great tactics - I'm not quite sure if you are serious or not - I don't support this as I think the reds have to take this date now and work with it - reds 'don't hold the city' it's a pipedream - they have to be seen to compromise - or they will be crushed I'm afraid and lose all public support.

The song from "THE WHO" comes to mind.

We Won't Get Fooled Again

Meet the New boss

Same as the Old Boss

It might go something like this.

Reds win government control in the elections.

Another coup occurs by either the Courts or the military.

Coup number 23 or 34 is it?

We won't get folled again.

[lannarebirth]

One can see through all of this thread that the forum red cheerleaders are uncomfortable.

Your argument is difficult to follow (that's being polite) but one cheerleader group that might be feeling uncomfortable is the one that saw this conflict in one dimensional terms, and that notwithstanding this infantile approach was still baying for bloodshed.All credit to Abhisit who has played a blinder despite pressures from all sides and perhaps from above.To a more more civilised poster I suggested some time ago that Abhisit couldn't win the forthcoming election.I suppose that's still my view but I pray that he does, and especially that the Reds show proper compromise in this delicate phase of negotiations.

Welcome to the middle path.

Edited May 4, 2010 by lannarebirth

[gl9999]

Fool us once, shame on you.

Fool us a second time, shame on us.

Only a complete moron would believe anything the current government says.

No deal.

Reds will hold the city until the government folds.

Well... I really don't think this is great tactics - I'm not quite sure if you are serious or not - I don't support this as I think the reds have to take this date now and work with it - reds 'don't hold the city' it's a pipedream - they have to be seen to compromise - or they will be crushed I'm afraid and lose all public support.

The song from "THE WHO" comes to mind.

We Won't Get Fooled Again

Meet the New boss

Same as the Old Boss

It might go something like this.

Reds win government control in the elections.

Another coup occurs by either the Courts or the military.

Coup number 23 or 34 is it?

We won't get folled again.

The Red Shirt leaders seem to be more reasonable then you. But I'm pretty sure a lot of Yellow shirts would be happy if they rejected the offer. It will just give PM Abhisit the excuse to send the soldiers in and crack some heads. And this time, everyone will blame the Red Shirt leaders for being so uncompromising, rather then the PM for being violent.

The thing is, you cry and bitch about coups but no one controls the military. They do whatever the hel_l they please. So if the Red Shirts do win the November 14 elections, first thing they need to do is majorly kiss some military ass.

[thaihome]

One can see through all of this thread that the forum red cheerleaders are uncomfortable.

Your argument is difficult to follow (that's being polite) but one cheerleader group that might be feeling uncomfortable is the one that saw this conflict in one dimensional terms, and that notwithstanding this infantile approach was still baying for bloodshed.All credit to Abhisit who has played a blinder despite pressures from all sides and perhaps from above.To a more more civilised poster I suggested some time ago that Abhisit couldn't win the forthcoming election.I suppose that's still my view but I pray that he does, and especially that the Reds show proper compromise in this delicate phase of negotiations.

I doubt any one party will win a majority of seats (again) and it will come down to the minority parties, primarily Newin’s Bhumjaithai Party, the Pheua Phaendin, and Banharn’s Thai Nation Party (Chart Thai) which control almost a 100 seats between them. There is no reason to think this will change in the upcoming election as these are all seats from tightly controlled areas that always vote the same people in.

The PTP could end up winning the most seats by a slim margin, but may still end up being isolated into the opposition role if the current coalition holds together.

TH