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Mother Of All Gushers Could Kill Earth's Oceans

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Political statements in Bedlam?

What is TV becoming? :)

On Topic: BP is toast...

They say that Boon Mee has turned into a liberal over on libel.com. He is probably going to tell us that George Bush is the secret owner of BP and should have to clean the oil spill up personally with a soda straw and a thimble.

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BP turns to cleanup device backed by Kevin Costner

BP turns to cleanup device backed by Kevin Costner

(NECN) - BP has announced it has ordered 32 machines designed by actor Kevin Costner to clean up the oil spill.

The machine separates oil from water and manages to recycle the crude at the same time. Costner says that with any drilling operation, there is oil spilled, "whether we choose to acknowledge it or not."

He says the Exxon Valdez was known as a disaster, but, "there's not a word big enough, or ugly enough" to describe the Gulf oil leak.

Video at link above

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BP chairman says embattled CEO Tony Hayward relieved of day-to-day duties with Gulf spill

LONDON - The chairman of BP says embattled chief executive Tony Hayward is being relieved of day-to-day responsibility for managing the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, a day after he angered U.S. lawmakers with his refusal to answer many of their questions.

Company chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg said Hayward "is now handing over the operations, the daily operations to (BP Managing Director) Bob Dudley," according to the transcript of an interview with Sky News television released Friday.

The company had already announced June 4 that Dudley would lead the long-term response to the oil spill once the leak had been stopped. Svanberg's statement appeared to accelerate that timeline, as millions of gallons of crude continue to gush into the Gulf.

" ... Now (Hayward) has been out there for eight weeks and he is now handing over the operations, the daily operations to Bob Dudley and he will be more home and be there and be here, but I think it has been a difficult period and as long as we don't close the well and take care of this, there will be criticisms about many things," Svanberg told Sky News. "Right now that is our focus to make that happen."

On Thursday, Hayward told lawmakers on a U.S. House investigations panel that he was out of the loop on decisions at the well. Both Democrats and Republicans were infuriated when he asserted, "I'm not stonewalling."

It also follows a string of gaffes from the BP chief that made him appear tone-deaf. He was quoted by the Times of London suggesting that Americans were particularly likely to file bogus claims, and later shocked residents in slick-hit Louisiana by saying that "no one wants this over more than I do. I would like my life back."

A BP spokesman in Houston, Tristan Vanhegan, said he had not heard Svanberg's comments, but the "board still has confidence in Tony."

Svanberg said "it is clear that Tony has made remarks that have upset people," but he also defended the chief executive.

"Here is also a man who has (been through) a 100 hours of TV time and maybe 500 interviews," he told the broadcaster. He added that Hayward's grilling in Washington was "a very, very difficult hearing to go through."

BP turns to cleanup device backed by Kevin Costner

BP turns to cleanup device backed by Kevin Costner

(NECN) - BP has announced it has ordered 32 machines designed by actor Kevin Costner to clean up the oil spill.

The machine separates oil from water and manages to recycle the crude at the same time. Costner says that with any drilling operation, there is oil spilled, "whether we choose to acknowledge it or not."

He says the Exxon Valdez was known as a disaster, but, "there's not a word big enough, or ugly enough" to describe the Gulf oil leak.

Video at link above

Designed by Costner? I thought he had just invested in the company back in 1994 (at the time his Waterworld flop came out). He's not actually designing the stuff nowadays, is he?

This spill is so big that the gov't could give the top 5 idea/invention guys each a section of the Gulf to test their system in a real world situation. On second thought, probably best to form a committee of academics and have them discuss it for the next six months.

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Designed by Costner? I thought he had just invested in the company back in 1994 (at the time his Waterworld flop came out). He's not actually designing the stuff nowadays, is he?

This spill is so big that the gov't could give the top 5 idea/invention guys each a section of the Gulf to test their system in a real world situation. On second thought, probably best to form a committee of academics and have them discuss it for the next six months.

Yeah that is what I thought too. But he has been on the news all week here. Probably just being an actor :)

True though he just invested as this youtube shows,

When I saw the machines I thought...yeah but such a small scale. I mean this is sq miles & miles of slick now.

As for the top 5 guys...I also thought albeit 20/20 with all the $$$$ BP & the other oil companies make it is surprising they did not invest in a tech contest years ago to come up with ideas. Like Dupont did with the man powered flight years ago.

Seems all this booming & low tech stuff is from years & years ago.

Like I said 20/20 I guess....But even at my levels of contracting man the regs & OSHA...HAZMAT ...etc. Surprised that both the oil companies & the regulators did not have more up their sleeves for problems like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8O3aEBvnbU

Political statements in Bedlam?

What is TV becoming? :)

A Punch & Judy wasteland inhabited by a small minority of the people who used to post here.

That seems pretty common for political forums. Perhaps Thai Visa was better off without one?  :whistling:

I approve of it, even though I don't always approve of the style and content, because it puts the lie to people who claim ThaiVisa doesn't allow political debate with a bit of rough and tumble.

Ok, if the name calling takes precedent over the discussion it may be shut down but I don't have a problem with that.

Even on the rare occasions that I'm one of the offenders... :ph34r:

I guess that arguing every day with the raving loonies in OTB is just my cross to bare.  :boring:

At least in forums like this we are all exposed to different points of view from the far left to the far right and, well, I guess not too much in between. :) You don't get that reading the paper or watching the nightly news.

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At least in forums like this we are all exposed to different points of view from the far left to the far right and, well, I guess not too much in between. :) You don't get that reading the paper or watching the nightly news.

You know ... I agree ...well almost 100% with this.

Because I think we hear far left & far right here & also things that are not middle but are also not the same field of thought. As in not based on standard preconceived or accepted notions.

Sadly many need to compartmentalize what ever they hear. It has to be black or white/left or right. If it does not at this time in their life make any sense to them then it must be nonsense. I am not referring to you either.

So I agree if the mind is not sealed shut at least we hear things here from various angles.

That seems pretty common for political forums.

That depends on whether the participants are grown up enough to realise that their point of view isn't the only one and that personal insults and cartoons don't move the argument forward.

Don't leave out posters who are just as one-sided as everyone else, but who think that they are somehow above it all because they rely on disparaging sarcasm instead - like that is any better. :whistling:

cartoons don't move the argument forward.

My goodness, those cartoons really rattled a few cages didn't they?

I cant figure out why ur nose is out of joint, constipated prerhaps?

I don't know if it's been stated in this or any other thread regarding this catastrophe but the failure of the BOP in this case was actually a blessing in disguise as it turns out. The well was not properly prepared and as such is fractured below ground level at an unknown number of points and as such would have leaked out uncontrollably the through sea bed if the BOP hadn't failed by causing a significant amount of uncontainable back pressure and this oil would not be collectible, now as it stands at least we can collect some of the oil so if there is any bright side to this and admittedly it's grasping for straws, it is that...

This seepage would be ongoing process that would last for decades as the oil is forced into the surrounding layers that have also been the main complication of this drill and then it makes it's way to the surface..

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Deepwater Horizon: the worst-case scenario

Reports from the Gulf of Mexico just keep getting worse. Estimates of the rate of oil spillage from the Deepwater Horizon wellhead just keep gushing (the latest official number: up to 60,000 barrels per day). Forecasts for how long it will take before the leak is finally plugged continue pluming toward August—maybe even December.

In addition to the oil itself, BP has (in this case deliberately) spilled a million gallons of toxic Corexit dispersant. Biologists’ accounts of the devastation being wreaked on fish, birds, amphibians, turtles, coral reefs, and marshes grow more apocalyptic by the day—especially in view of the fact that the vast majority of animal victims die alone and uncounted. Warnings are now being raised that the natural gas being vented along with the oil will significantly extend the giant dead zones in the Gulf

There is the possibility that as the ground and the casing shift, the whole thing collapses inward, the giant Blow Out Preventer falls over, the drill pipe shoots out of the remains of the well, or any number of other scenarios,” that could making it virtually impossible ever to cap the well or even to plug it at depth via relief wells.
So far, up to 3.6 million barrels of oil have spilled into the Gulf. The size of the Macondo oilfield has been estimated as being anywhere from 25 to 100 million barrels. It is unclear how much of that oil-in-place would escape upward into Gulf waters if its flow remained completely unchecked, but it is safe to assume that at least half, and probably a much greater proportion, would eventually drain upward. That means many times as much oil would enter the Gulf waters as has done so until now.

Already Deepwater Horizon is the not only the worst oil spill, but the worst environmental disaster in U.S. history. Multiplying the scale of this existing catastrophe multiple times sends us into truly uncharted territory.

Already, coastal ecosystems are being shredded; for a sense of how bad it is for wildlife in the Gulf now, just read “Biologists fear Gulf wildlife will suffer for generations.” In a truly worst case, oil — and perhaps dissolved methane as well — would hitch a ride on ocean currents out to the deep Atlantic, spreading ecological destruction far and wide.

Full article at link above

Didn't they put something above it last week that was collecting a portion of the oil? The video of the leak I see now looks much, much worse than the small (by comparison) stream when they first started the video.

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Didn't they put something above it last week that was collecting a portion of the oil? The video of the leak I see now looks much, much worse than the small (by comparison) stream when they first started the video.

I forget what small fraction of it they are now catching but it is not sizable.

As for the videos ....well it has been reported that the first videos were purposely not showing the stream/gushing accurately

Didn't they put something above it last week that was collecting a portion of the oil? The video of the leak I see now looks much, much worse than the small (by comparison) stream when they first started the video.

I forget what small fraction of it they are now catching but it is not sizable.

As for the videos ....well it has been reported that the first videos were purposely not showing the stream/gushing accurately

OK, I thought maybe they made it worse during one of their attempts to stop the leak. Like what happens when you have a leak at home and decide to fix it yourself instead of calling a plumber. :)

Didn't they put something above it last week that was collecting a portion of the oil? The video of the leak I see now looks much, much worse than the small (by comparison) stream when they first started the video.

I forget what small fraction of it they are now catching but it is not sizable.

As for the videos ....well it has been reported that the first videos were purposely not showing the stream/gushing accurately

OK, I thought maybe they made it worse during one of their attempts to stop the leak. Like what happens when you have a leak at home and decide to fix it yourself instead of calling a plumber. :)

In some sense they did make it worse but had no choice as they could not collect anything before with the damaged BOP in the way making it a trade off, it is now flowing with less restriction since they cut the malfunctioned BOP off but some collection is now possible where as before it wasn't.

The collector they put on top is both a collector and vent as they can not collect the entire amount due to restrictions on the surface, the tankers can not accommodate the full amount of flow being pumped out so they have to vent the excess so about only 40% is being collected currently and due to what I explained previously they can't close it off entirely at this point as this will cause more oil flow into the surrounding voids under the sea bed with overwhelming back pressure and begin leeching out from those points making the leak even worse on broader, uncontrollable scale..

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BP Removes Cap After Accident

HOUSTON—BP PLC's efforts to capture oil spewing from Macondo well into the U.S. Gulf of Mexico hit a major snag early Wednesday when an underwater robot collided with the containment cap,

article at link

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