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Mother Of All Gushers Could Kill Earth's Oceans

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^ So this guy is showing us oil on a road & he believes it actually fell with the rain? PRICELESS.:lol:

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oil rain in Louisiana

Yeah I think we are going to see more of this & it is possible.

Alabama has quite the smell now...& yes it is petrol smell ;)

oil rain in Louisiana

Yeah I think we are going to see more of this & it is possible.

Alabama has quite the smell now...& yes it is petrol smell ;)

Well I am sapised, i would of thought the molecules of oil that could evaporate up into the air off the ocean to be rained down again would of made the concentration of oil in the water absolutely minute. I am aware they don't mix together well, actually repell each other.

Can you supply some evidence of you're claims for the jury?

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Well I am sapised, i would of thought the molecules of oil that could evaporate up into the air off the ocean to be rained down again would of made the concentration of oil in the water absolutely minute. I am aware they don't mix together well, actually repell each other.

Can you supply some evidence of you're claims for the jury?

Well your honor.. :)

I have none...Just going on all the reports of strong smells etc.

I was not specifically thinking rain.

I see what ocean spray looks like & how far inland it travels. Normally that spray destroys everything due to the salts ability to oxidize anything & even pit glass.

As I have said before the season is coming...Hurricane season. With it comes high wind/surf.

But ultimately that is the least of their worries...if or when the time comes it has made its way inland to any degree it will be mass exodus time from those areas.Because by that time the shorelines will have been impacted & all that goes with that.

^Okay, okay. I see I need to learn more about this stuff, I just didnt think it was feasable for oil to be sucked up & dumped down in rain. I am sure theres plenty of ways for it to get ashore.

No doubt about it, BP has alot to answer for.

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If a driver has proven that they do not have control of their vehicle. Should they still be allowed to drive?

BP Has Built An Artificial Island To Get Around Offshore Drilling Ban In Alaska

Gus Lubin | Jun. 24, 2010, 11:14 AM

The offshore drilling moratorium that is falling apart in court already contains one major loophole -- and there's little surprise which company is threading the needle.

BP plans to begin drilling two miles under the sea just miles away from a delicate wildlife reserve in Alaska. The company will get around the deep-water moratorium by constructing an artificial island -- 31 acres of gravel -- and registering as an onshore rig.

Not exactly the safest operation, reports Rolling Stone:

Here's what BP has in store for the Arctic: First, the company will drill two miles beneath its tiny island, which it has christened "Liberty." Then, in an ingenious twist, it will drill sideways for another six to eight miles, until it reaches an offshore reservoir estimated to hold 105 million barrels of oil. This would be the longest "extended reach" well ever attempted, and the effort has required BP to push drilling technology beyond its proven limits. As the most powerful "land-based" oil rig ever built, Liberty requires special pipe to withstand the 105,000 foot-pounds of torque — the equivalent of 50 Mack truck engines — needed to turn the drill. "This is about as sexy as it gets," a top BP official boasted to reporters in 2008. BP, a repeat felon subject to record fines for its willful safety violations, calls the project "one of its biggest challenges to date" — an engineering task made even more dangerous by plans to operate year-round in what the company itself admits is "some of the harshest weather on Earth."

Don't expect the White House to crack down on the loophole. Just the opposite: Ken Salazar said yesterday he would issue a new version of the moratorium that could include provisions to allow drilling in areas where reserves and risks are known.

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Looks surreal doesn't it?

Thick & Almost Red....& that small amount of what ever he sprayed on it...contrast.

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Florida Gulf Oil Spill: Plans to Evacuate Tampa Bay Area Are In Place

June 23, 2010 posted by Robert O'Dowd

Gulf Oil Spill 2010: Plans to evacuate Tampa Bay area are in place.

As FEMA and other government agencies prepare for what is now being called the worst oil spill disaster in history, plans to evacuate the Tampa Bay area are in place.

The plans would be announed in the event of a controlled burn of surface oil in the Gulf of Mexico, or if wind or other conditions are expected to take toxic fumes through Tampa Bay.

This practice has been used by the US Forestry service, when fire and smoke threaten the health and well being of people.

The elderly and those with respiratory problems would be more susceptible to health risks, in the event of a controlled burn.

Estimates of the rate of BP’s Deepwater Horizon oil spill have varied. Independent scientists now suggest that the true spill rate, before the riser pipe was cut off in June, was between 20,000 and 50,000 barrels a day.

Since the April 20th explosion, which resulted in the sinking of the Deepwater Horizon rig, there have been more than a million gallons of chemicals poured into the Gulf of Mexico in efforts to break up the spill. The chemicals have come under scrutiny because of their own toxic nature.

It is not certain if the massive slick will have to be set on fire near Tampa Bay, but the possibility has not been ruled out.

BP has been using controlled burnes as a way to contain the oil spill since the crisis began. Plans to do additional controlled burns around the well site were announced by Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen at a briefing in early June.

The report of 'rolling stone' of drilling 2 mile down and then horizontal for 6 to 8 mile may be someone talking thru a orifice other than the mouth or a misunderstanding. With a proposed well bore of 10 mile, 52,800 foot, that is deeper than any well to date world wide if I am not mistaken. Shell has and still operates directional wells, off of man made islands off California. This saves the protected surface area (in California case) housing developments, from unsightly oil field equipment and protects against potential surface spill on protected area. The thinking for this would seem similar to man made islands which become airport, housing developments, etc.

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The report of 'rolling stone' of drilling 2 mile down and then horizontal for 6 to 8 mile may be someone talking thru a orifice other than the mouth or a misunderstanding. With a proposed well bore of 10 mile, 52,800 foot, that is deeper than any well to date world wide if I am not mistaken.

Perhaps & hopefully so....then again they may be quoting BP as the article said.The article also made no bones about it being a 1st time attempt so yes...deeper/longer than any well to date.

The article did say........

This would be the longest "extended reach" well ever attempted, and the effort has required BP to push drilling technology beyond its proven limits. As the most powerful "land-based" oil rig ever built, Liberty requires special pipe to withstand the 105,000 foot-pounds of torque — the equivalent of 50 Mack truck engines — needed to turn the drill. "This is about as sexy as it gets," a top BP official boasted to reporters in 2008.
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ABC News this morning showing some disturbing shots of dead dolphins.

50 known/beached so far ..They fear many more are dead on the oceans floor ....This dead zone that is being created is causing a chain reaction.

Food sources being poisoned & possibly contributing to the death of other species.

As these species run seeking other areas some are already being crowded out along the coast. As they now compete for food that is not there or poisoned by corexit & the fumes from the gusher.

Large storm now headed to the gulf will not help....

Pensacola's luck has also run out as the oil has come ashore there on at least 20 miles of beach.

Dead Zone 200 miles

http://oilprice.com/Environment/Oil-...Dead-Zone.html

Bad news concerning the Gulf oil disaster continues to come from WMR's federal government sources in the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the US Army Corps of Engineers. Emergency planners are dealing with a prospective "dead zone" within a 200 mile radius from the Deepwater Horizon disaster datum in the Gulf.

A looming environmental and population displacement disaster is brewing in the Gulf. The oil dispersant used by BP, Corexit 9500, is seen by FEMA sources as mixing with evaporated water from the Gulf and absorbed by rain clouds producing toxic precipitation that threatens to continue killling marine and land animals, plant life, and humans within a 200-mile radius of the Deepwater Horizon disaster site in the Gulf.

Adding to the worries of FEMA and the Corps of Engineers is the large amounts of methane that are escaping from the cavernous grotto of oil underneath the Macondo drilling area of Gulf of Mexico.

On a recent visit to the Gulf coast, President Obama vowed that the Gulf coast will "return to normal." However, federal officials dealing with the short- and long-term impact of the oil disaster report that the "dead zone" created by a combination of methane gas and Corexit toxic rain will force the evacuation and long-term abandonment of cities and towns within the 200-mile radius of the oil volcano.

Plans are being put in place for the mandatory evacuation of New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Mandeville, Hammond, Houma, Belle Chase, Chalmette, Slidell, Biloxi, Gulfport, Pensacola, Hattiesburg, Mobile, Bay Minette, Fort Walton Beach, Panama City, Crestview, and Pascagoula.

The toxic rain from the Gulf is expected to poison fresh water reservoirs and lakes, streams, and rivers, which will also have a disastrous impact on agriculture and livestock, as well as drinking water, in the affected region.

FEMA officials also claim that the $20 billion compensation fund set aside by BP is not nearly enough to offset the costs of the disaster. The FEMA sources say the disaster will cost well in excess of $1 trillion, and likely closer to $2-3 trillion.

What is included in the gusher........

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Flying.....is this a new foto of the leak?? I've never seen that view as most of the fotos I've seen had a visable pipe gushing/erupting oil.

A couple of questions that i've wondered about.

What is the diameter of the gusher?? Read somewhere that it is 5ft in diameter.....that's a big hole to plug!!

and the stock fotage that we see constantly on the tv shows a black plume with a smaller brown plume beside it. the black I assume is the crude oil, but what is the brown??

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Flying.....is this a new foto of the leak?? I've never seen that view as most of the fotos I've seen had a visable pipe gushing/erupting oil.

A couple of questions that i've wondered about.

What is the diameter of the gusher?? Read somewhere that it is 5ft in diameter.....that's a big hole to plug!!

and the stock fotage that we see constantly on the tv shows a black plume with a smaller brown plume beside it. the black I assume is the crude oil, but what is the brown??

No sorry that is not an actual photo.

That is an illustration someone did just to show what else is also mixed into the gusher.Lots of folks assume it is straight crude.

I am not sure of the diameter of the broken pipe but thought I read it is 20 inches or was before damage?

As to what the makeup of the plum is...Like that illustration shows it is many things including rock & mud.

You know the pressure per square inch blasting out is very high....I have read various reading form various source but seems 6800 psi is likely.Although this too seems hard to pin down.. I have also heard 1600psi & some truly wild claims of over 20k.

But any of those even the least are pretty impressive when the diameter is then considered.

So I imagine there is also quite the abrasive action all the way up the well.

I know they supposedly have a great many minds on this problem but it really seems like there is no way to stop the gusher directly.

Seems all their efforts are now in the relieve the pressure from elsewhere direction ( relief wells which will take 60-90 days & have no guarantee )

while trying to capture what little they can thru diversion like the small caps they try to secure that recently broke when one of their underwater robots hit it.

It does not look good does it? Imagine if the same were thrust on us above ground? Yes we are the top of the food chain on land but the sea life has basically had their world invaded & poisoned. Pretty dang tragic. Seeing all those dead dolphins & other wildlife/sea life & also the migration that is occurring makes you realize how big a mess it is. I only wonder what is yet to come & what already lays dead on teh sea floor.

Now look with these storms coming & you know they will....What other possibilities are there? Of course the oil can be sent inland a good distance & also get mixed more & more into the sea as well as carried elsewhere in the sea. We all know that useless booming they have in place cannot stop more than a 8" wave.

There is enough crude & various volatile gases out there that makes one wonder could something ignite in a lightning storm? Obviously it burns as BP has done much burning themselves.

The ocean out there is turning into something that does not resemble ocean. They close it off to reporters & the airspace too...why?

Here is a satellite pic

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Methane in Gulf "astonishingly high": U.S. scientist

(Reuters) - As much as 1 million times the normal level of methane gas has been found in some regions near the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, enough to potentially deplete oxygen and create a dead zone, U.S. scientists said on Tuesday.

This explains why I have seen videos from folks in the areas that show boiling surf on shore.

High concentrations of methane can produce a dry ice type effect.

Also what I mentioned about an explosion seem quite possible.

I would not be surprised if we see evacuations soon.

Full article at link above

If that is not scary enough there is more....

http://www.helium.com/items/1864136-how-the-ultimate-bp-gulf-disaster-could-kill-millions

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Removed by BP Demand from Australian 60 minutes

May not remain on you tube long

The storm in the gulf, producing rough seas, will help disperse some of the oil slick. Every little bit helps as the oil capture systems will probably have to move off to a somewhat protected area..

I read where Bill Clinton was supporting using explosives to close the leak. Yee-haw!

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Boy sure does not look like dispersement.... having the waves drive it into the marshlands.

These marshlands can never be cleaned now.

Also hard to call breaking up a slick & driving it into more directions a benefit.Except to th eoil companies...albeit temporarily may look slightly less...Anyone can see it has no lessened just been spread even more at sea & inland.

As for the oil captive systems??? Which ones? The ones that have not been working or the booming that is now all tangled onshore in the marshlands?

As for Clinton...thank goodness he has even less clout than his loony wife.

There is no explosive option & they all know it.

gets worse by the day

Almost All of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Workers are Dead

(SALEM, Ore.) - It is the last thing most of us expected to hear: nearly every single worker from the Exxon Valdez oil spill Disaster is now dead, according to a CNN News report. The video accompanies this article. We're talking about a lot of people. I personally became an oil spill volunteer at the time here in Oregon, though I never got my hands very dirty, so to speak. Good thing as it turns out.

According to an article by the Institute for Southern Studies: "Already, a large number of workers cleaning up the BP oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico report that they are suffering from flu-like symptoms." [1]

CNN is warning volunteers on the current Gulf Spill of this dire information. The fact that the workers from the 1989 Alaska spill have died, as CNN reports, surely will give current workers something to think about.

CNN and numerous other groups including Salem-News.com, have revealed the fact that this is very unhealthy work. Exposure to contaminants is something humans are supposed to avoid, but in this case it is a draw card for work in a broken national economy.

cont.

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gets worse by the day

Almost All of the Exxon Valdez Oil Spill Workers are Dead

I saw that today too..

There are some groups already gathering info on all the problems cropping up already with workers here.

But also the folks dumb enough to go near the water. They have been turning up at hospitals with sores all over their legs etc. Pretty gruesome.

I would not go near it if possible.

There is also some talk here about possible evacuations to start soon.

I understand that BP has been putting close to 30,000 bbl/day either into tanker or burning from the total escaping. A third system has been delayed arriving on site due to the rough seas. The third system will bring daily capacity up to around 60,000 bbl/day. It will be interesting to see who will have come close to the actual daily flow rate when the various systems are in place. Some of the estimated rates were based on maximum flow thru 7 inch pipe, but if there is flow thru the 7 inch and up the annulus the daily flow out of the well may exceed the capacity of the 3 recovery units.

For 'Slick willy' to even have a opinion/suggestion on the subject of killing the well would probably be forth or fifth hand, as he has no experience or background in well control. Then again he may have got to a oil lobbyist sectary or two, so second hand may be possible.

The relief wells will hopefully put a end to this run away and the sooner the better. Lets do it right this time oilies.

For 'Slick willy' to even have a opinion/suggestion on the subject of killing the well would probably be forth or fifth hand, as he has no experience or background in well control. 

However, he does have experience in controlling gushers. Maybe they can use Monika Lewinsky's skirt to stuff the well up.  :whistling:

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