Thailand's Red-Shirts Planning Revenge

[webfact]

Reds planning revenge

By THE NATION ON SUNDAY

Security intelligence warns of new round of anti-government rallies once emergency is lifted

BANGKOK: -- Anti-government red shirts seeking revenge are expected to instigate fresh turmoil in Bangkok and the provinces after the government lifts the emergency decree, security agency sources said yesterday.

Some provincial leaders of the red shirts have also begun warning about a new round of anti-government activities and rallies in several provinces, including Chiang Mai where anti-government sentiment and movement still run strong, according to the security intelligence appraisal.

Some red-shirt leaders such as Srichan Chanong and Hansak Benchasripitak, who have not been arrested on any charges, have been moving around freely. Also, leaders of the Love Chiang Mai 51 group, and hardline red shirts such as Petchawat Wattanapongsirikul and Kanyapak Maneechak are still at large. Once the emergency is lifted, they expect to instigate violence as they have done earlier, according to the intelligence.

In Chaiyaphum, red-shirt leader Mongkon Nopchaiyaphum said he had already planned his anti-government movement and once the emergency decree is lifted, more than 1,000 protesters would converge at the Provincial Hall.

Source said the red-shirt leaders have already staged an underground movement, distributing news about the murder of Korat red leader Uan Buayai, saying Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva wants to get rid of all red leaders in every province to prevent them from staging protests. The move has enraged protesters who have vowed to put up strong resistance against the government.

A second generation red-shirt leader in Udon Thani said since their leaders have been arrested, they were now ready to take up the leading role after having been trained in red schools.

He said although he and other red leaders faced arrest, they would lead protesters to Bangkok to stage a new round of rallies. He said red-shirt leaders face all kinds of harassment, from telephone bugging to being hunted down.

Some red-shirt leaders had escaped abroad and are undergoing training that would provide them experience in anti-government rallies. They are ready to get back and stage rallies.

"This time our rally will be effective. It is dangerous, but we must do it,'' he said.

Jiranan Chantrawong, a red-shirt leader in Chiang Rai, supported the government move to lift the emergency, saying the red shirts in the province would not stage rallies because they believe the political turmoil has hurt the economy and badly affected the livelihood of the people.

She called on the government to soon hold general election so that the people are allowed to vote for parties they want to run the country.

Meanwhile, Democrat Party spokesman Dr Buranat Samutrak quoted an Asia Times Online report that hardcore red-shirt leaders such as Arisman Pongruangrong and Suporn Attawong would team up with Jakrapob Penkair to stage a militia movement from abroad. The plan would be implemented by second generation red-shirt leaders with full financial backing from their foreign network, according to the report.

He said this plan was in line with that of ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who wants to interfere in the country's internal affairs after the red chaos.

Burana said Thaksin planned to use wrong information to instigate turmoil in the country with claims about rapes in Wat Pathum Wanaram and police assaulting suspects, as well as the allegation that men in uniform are behind the murder of Korat red leader Uan Buayai.

He said Thaksin hopes to use these incidents in his defence at the International Court of Justice with the help of foreign publicists and lawyers he has hired to help him.

The spokesman urged the independent committee investigating the violence during the two months to come up with findings soon so that Thaksin cannot distort the truth surrounding the red chaos.

He said the revelations by the Office of Anti Money Laundering Commission that Thaksin's family withdrew and transferred more than Bt11 billion into accounts of people involved in the anti-government movement would be a significant evidence in the investigation of the committee.

-- The Nation 2010-06-20

[justaphase]

Here we go again..

They are waiting for the emergency decree to be lifted..? So why not just leave it in place.

Anyway, a 'friend' of mine said all this is (and the last protests) being organized (and funded) by powers much greater than the government can control.. otherwise the Bangkok 'thing' would've been over in a day..

Some think they are trying to de-stablize (sp?) the country so that Cambodian forces can move in, take over and HS and TS will have control.. scary thought but surely the world wont let that happen..?

[webfact]

Defiant red shirts in no mood to reconcile, ready for next phase of struggle

By PRAVIT ROJANAPHRUK

THE NATION ON SUNDAY

BANGKOK: -- One month after the May 19 military crackdown, some red shirts interviewed by The Nation said there would be no reconciliation or moving on with those who ordered the shooting of mostly unarmed demonstrators.

The red shirts may be split as to whether to adopt a peaceful approach or a violent struggle but they are still very red and believe that the next battle looms.

Sombat Boon-ngam-anong, a peace advocate among the red shirts, said the protests culiminated in a military dispersal on May 19 and the accumulated deaths of 89 people on both sides showed what "the ruling elite" are capable when they want to hang on to power.

"They have guns so they will win, at least in the short term. What's happening now is the [red-shirt] leadership structure is in ruins and people are being hunted down but the masses of the red shirts have not changed their mind one bit. The mass is a very powerful force and they have been keeping their anger and hatred bottled up. There is no place for them to reflect since their media have been censored and the mainstream media distort things and [reconciliation] songs are composed and events organised."

Sombat, who is an influential red-shirt middle class, has been lying low and is more busy online, launching a campaign of small-scale meetings by wearing red shirts every Sunday. He said the big question in many people's minds is "what's next?"

"People still have their red shirts in their closets but they don't know what to do next."

In the meantime, red shirts meet at funerals of those killed or at temples, like yesterday, to commemorate the first month of the May 19 military crackdown(Saturday).

Some have decided to wear red every day as a gesture of political defiance and meet to chat with fellow reds at a local cafe or organise a bicycle trip together.

"These have political implications," said Sombat, who advocates a peaceful struggle for the next round by organising strong closely-bonded small units of reds which would be more democratic than the top-down structure that ended on May 19 when many red-shirt leaders gave themselves up to the authorities.

Sombat considered the armed faction of the red shirts to be responsible for giving the majority of the red shirts a bad name and for alienating the middle class, who are otherwise sympathetic to the red shirts.

"We lost the middle-class support and the legitimacy and it was not worth it," he said of the so-called men in black and the armed red-shirt guards.

Hardcore protesters like Noi, a US-educated red-shirt in her late 30s, who works during the daytime as a middle ranking bureaucrat but asked not to reveal her name, believe there is no future in the peaceful struggle.

"We can't adhere to peaceful means against those who own arms, media and the law," she told The Nation on Sunday. "There will no longer be people sitting in front of the red-shirt stage as if watching a concert only to be eventually shot and killed."

While Noi doesn't know what form of armed struggle may take shape, she said red shirts are now free to make their own decisions.

PM Abhisit Vejjajiva is not really wanting to reconcile but is doing the opposite, Nong alleged.

As for her life, Nong says she gets a disdainful look from some of her colleagues who know she is a red shirt and things have been rather lonely without the red media, but she carries on.

"Everyone knows and accepts what happened but we do not accept what Abhisit did. We will persevere in the meantime," said Noi, who attended the commemorative function at Pathum Wanaram Temple yesterday (Saturday) dressed in red.

Working class red shirts like Pukpuk agree.

Pukpuk, who refused to reveal her real name due to fear of persecution under the emergency decree, said her peers are all lying low. They meet almost every day with a close circle of reds to discuss politics, however.

"This government is just projecting an image of reconciliation while distorting facts. They are murderers, tyrants," said the 50-something Pukpuk, who lives on the eastern edge of Bangkok and was a big fan of FM 97.25 red-shirt radio in Samut Prakan province until it was shut down last month.

Pukpuk said she avoids wearing red because the government is still using the draconian emergency decree wherein any suspect could be detained for 30 days.

"At this hour, we must be still. In a way it is good that we have no leaders now. We can do things freely.

"We are still reds, even more red than before. And Abhisit is no longer able to walk and eat freely like ordinary people in Bangkok or Isaan any longer," she said, in reference to threats to the PM's life.

-- The Nation 2010-06-20

[Ulysses G.]

I had some sympathy for the redshirts before the hatred, violence and firestorm that they initiated in Bangkok. However, they have proved that the Prime Minister is right. Many of the leaders are acting like terrorists.

They need to stop the threats and do things legally and peacefully. After Bangkok, the government is justified in whatever measures it takes to stop them from ruining the country. They are cutting their own throats with their recalcitrance.

[angiud]

Sometime I have to agree with U.G.

[Ulysses G.]

Here we go again..

They are waiting for the emergency decree to be lifted..?  So why not just leave it in place.

A number of posters will whine that this is not justified. However, the protesters have proved beyond doubt that it is. 

[LevelHead]

LOL

Typical "Nation / ASTV" Yellow shirt nonsense !!!!!!!!!!

"Red Schools" - let me guess they are in Afghanistan and Pakistan and next door to Taliban schools as well

I think we can put this down to Thai Military playing same media spin game based on US War on Terror

Nothing like feeding the propaganda out to justify the lack of human rights under the Emergency Decree.

[Ulysses G.]

How would you have any idea of what is going on with the redshirts behind the scenes? Does Thaksin call you every night and tell you what they are going to do?  

[Robby nz]

It's really sad that these people have bought into the hatered of the leaders so completely.

Why is it that they can not see that democracy can never be achieved by violance?

But I wonder how much support they really have? After all they are still a very small minority AKA

In Chaiyaphum, red-shirt leader Mongkon Nopchaiyaphum said he had already planned his anti-government movement and once the emergency decree is lifted, more than 1,000 protesters would converge at the Provincial Hall.

Guess we will have to wait till election time to see that for sure.

And once again we get the red supporters like LD Mez and Co who decry anything in the Nation.

Typical "Nation / ASTV" Yellow shirt

nonsense !!!!!!!!!!

Yet see fit to post from the same sourse when it sutes them.

[LevelHead]

I had some sympathy for the redshirts before the hatred, violence and firestorm that they initiated in Bangkok. However, they have proved that the Prime Minister is right. Many of the leaders are acting like terrorists.

They need to stop the threats and do things legally and peacefully. After Bangkok, the government is justified in whatever measures it takes to stop them from ruining the country. They are cutting their own throats with their recalcitrance.

From what I remember of your posts you are pro-Yellow and very anti-Red.

Its funny how many Yellow supporters all claim to "......have had some sympathies with reds but not anymore......."

Are they attempting to portray a move of support away from Reds ?

I think you will find that Red strength is growing even more stronger - even those who were neutral have been disgusted by the governments lies and propaganda and now are not so neutral anymore.

Looks at this "Red School" nonsense by the Nation - pure fantasy pumping the government propaganda - pathetic. !!!

[bdenner]

All I can say is I hope the powers that be have the balls to put a stop it before it begins.

[Ulysses G.]

From what I remember of your posts you are pro-Yellow and very anti-Red.

Its funny how many Yellow supporters all claim to "......have had some sympathies with reds but not anymore......."

Actually, I was called a redshirt on Thai Visa for months. I'm sure that plenty of posters will confirm this. However, when I saw that they had no interest in a peaceful solution - even before the fires and riots - I realized that the leaders were only out for themselves. Actions speak louder than words.

Edited June 20, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[LennyW]

If the people/organisations that are openly making the threats of further violent action are actually known or identifiable to authourities, why dont the authourities just arrest them now before it gets out of hand again - or would that just be too simple??

[ukinbkk]

If it was to kick off again Thai Gov shouldn't sit around and (or should I say TMP), watch as Bangkok is brought to a standstill, held to ransome. I myself am seriously considering leaving thailand for Vietnam as it's much safer, cleaner, cheaper and much less scamful. I'm sick of living/working under the continued threat of more red-yellow ull-hit. I think many farang companies will seriously look at relocating if it kicked off once more. The losers in all this... The thai's they are fighting over who has the right to take money from farang... When they sort it out there wont be any farang to take from. If there's no farang it will be interesting to see how long this country lasts without emploding on itself. :jap:

[Valentine]

I had some sympathy for the redshirts before the hatred, violence and firestorm that they initiated in Bangkok. However, they have proved that the Prime Minister is right. Many of the leaders are acting like terrorists.

They need to stop the threats and do things legally and peacefully. After Bangkok, the government is justified in whatever measures it takes to stop them from ruining the country. They are cutting their own throats with their recalcitrance.

From what I remember of your posts you are pro-Yellow and very anti-Red.

Its funny how many Yellow supporters all claim to "......have had some sympathies with reds but not anymore......."

Are they attempting to portray a move of support away from Reds ?

I think you will find that Red strength is growing even more stronger - even those who were neutral have been disgusted by the governments lies and propaganda and now are not so neutral anymore.

Looks at this "Red School" nonsense by the Nation - pure fantasy pumping the government propaganda - pathetic. !!!

This is not the first time there have been reports about red schools & I seem to remember red shirt leaders speaking of the existence of such schools.

[siampolee]

This is typical of Thaksin and his ilk and their mindset.

Power at any price and corruption to feather their own fouled nest even further under the pretence of democracy.

None of those puppets that were (mis) leading the Red Shirt demonstrators supporters etc had nor do have any interest in true democracy.

It is all about Thaksin and his malovent desire for revenge upon Thailand and its peoples.Thaksins ego is the cancer that could if allowed to destroy this country.

Thaksin and his allies many of whom are not Thai have been invited to feast upon the carcass of Thailand under Thaksins dream.

These people must be stopped before Thailand becomes a vassal state of a Sino Thai kleptomaniac.

Edited June 20, 2010 by siampolee

[hideki]

From what I remember of your posts you are pro-Yellow and very anti-Red.

A simple review of Ulysses G's posting history reveals that's something else that you also seem to have missed by 4,000 kilometers.

Edited June 20, 2010 by hideki

[Robby nz]

I had some sympathy for the redshirts before the hatred, violence and firestorm that they initiated in Bangkok. However, they have proved that the Prime Minister is right. Many of the leaders are acting like terrorists.

They need to stop the threats and do things legally and peacefully. After Bangkok, the government is justified in whatever measures it takes to stop them from ruining the country. They are cutting their own throats with their recalcitrance.

From what I remember of your posts you are pro-Yellow and very anti-Red.

Its funny how many Yellow supporters all claim to "......have had some sympathies with reds but not anymore......."

Are they attempting to portray a move of support away from Reds ?

I think you will find that Red strength is growing even more stronger - even those who were neutral have been disgusted by the governments lies and propaganda and now are not so neutral anymore.

Looks at this "Red School" nonsense by the Nation - pure fantasy pumping the government propaganda - pathetic. !!!

You dont have to be pro or anti anything to be disgusted with what the reds have done to this country and all for the greed of Thaksin.

Why is it that you keep claiming that anyone who dosent agree with you must be yellow?

I have asked several times on different threads for examples of the Govt lies and the PM's alledged corruption but never yet had a reply, perhaps L H as you seem to know everything you could enlighten me?

[craigt3365]

I had some sympathy for the redshirts before the hatred, violence and firestorm that they initiated in Bangkok. However, they have proved that the Prime Minister is right. Many of the leaders are acting like terrorists.

They need to stop the threats and do things legally and peacefully. After Bangkok, the government is justified in whatever measures it takes to stop them from ruining the country. They are cutting their own throats with their recalcitrance.

From what I remember of your posts you are pro-Yellow and very anti-Red.

Its funny how many Yellow supporters all claim to "......have had some sympathies with reds but not anymore......."

Are they attempting to portray a move of support away from Reds ?

I think you will find that Red strength is growing even more stronger - even those who were neutral have been disgusted by the governments lies and propaganda and now are not so neutral anymore.

Looks at this "Red School" nonsense by the Nation - pure fantasy pumping the government propaganda - pathetic. !!!

You can spin it both ways...many are tired of the red's lies and propaganda and are not so neutral anymore....I'm in this group...

They claim they can't campaign due to media closure. I am sure they could easily find a media outlet ready, willing and able to host their (paid for) ads...as long as they don't include things like burning down city halls, killing the PM, etc. Things which are not allowed in most civilized nations...

[LevelHead]

This is typical of Thaksin and his ilk and their mindset.

Power at any price and corruption to feather their own fouled nest even further under the pretence of democracy.

None of those puppets that were (mis) leading the Red Shirt demonstrators supporters etc had nor do have any interest in true democracy.

It is all about Thaksin and his malovent desire for revenge upon Thailand and its peoples.Thaksins ego is the cancer that could if allowed to destroy this country.

Thaksin and his allies many of whom are not Thai have been invited to feast upon the carcass of Thailand under Thaksins dream.

These people must be stopped before Thailand becomes a vassal state of a Sino Thai kleptomaniac.

Thats where you are wrong totally.

The problem of Thailand is a small Elite who devour everything and leave the majority of the county with nothing.

Thaksin has no desire for anything but good for the people of Thailand.

However I suspect he has revenge on his mind when it comes to the small band of old corrupt elite who stage managed his fall from power and who have through lies and manipulation dragged his name through the mud.

This is why the people like Thaksin, as he was willing to take on those corrupt old men, and even though he failed he has given them hope that some day soon those corrupt old men who run in privileged circles might finally get removed.

[Huey]

They need to be treated as what they are. Enemies of the State. Their leader's should be round up and silenced and any uprising should be treated as if they were any other enemy force attempting to take over the Kingdom.

If not then they will have none to blame other than themselves.

[hideki]

Looks at this "Red School" nonsense by the Nation - pure fantasy pumping the government propaganda - pathetic. !!!

Are you a red that doesn't know about red schools?

Dr Weng and his team of four lecturers expect busy times ahead, given the growing demand for these "political schools" in the north and north-east provinces. The Sunday school in Baan Muang became the 10th that has opened since the UDD embarked on this line of activity late last year. Similar sessions have been held in the provinces of Chiang Mai, Khon Kaen and the neighbouring province of Udon Thani.

"We’ll open four schools the next weekend (Feb. 13-14)," reveals Jaran Ditapichai, a former member of the national human rights commission and a UDD leader.

Evidently you didn't get a Red Sim card to stay in the information loop?

UDD membership brings with it a telephone card with three mobile phone numbers to connect a central call centre. The latter serves as a clearinghouse of information, clarifying queries and supplying details about planned Red Shirt rallies.

Edited June 20, 2010 by hideki

[KireB]

Thaksin has no desire for anything but good for the people of Thailand.

And Ted Bundy was actually really a nice guy!

[jackdawson]

Thaksin has no desire for anything but good for the people of Thailand.

did someone actually type this ?

that's the funniest thing i've heard all day .

but it's still early.

re: the reds .

i think i just read yesterday the thai armed forces as a strong as they've ever been .

hate to quote g. bush but if the red issan campers and arsonists wanna' try heading south on rt .2 again towards bkk

"bring it on"

ps why to go "nation" for bringing this to everybody's attention and keeping those that should / need to be vigilant .

Edited June 20, 2010 by jackdawson

[Robby nz]

The problem of Thailand is a small Elite who devour everything and leave the majority of the county with nothing.

Thaksin has no desire for anything but good for the people of Thailand.

However I suspect he has revenge on his mind when it comes to the small band of old corrupt elite who stage managed his fall from power and who have through lies and manipulation dragged his name through the mud.

This is why the people like Thaksin, as he was willing to take on those corrupt old men, and even though he failed he has given them hope that some day soon those corrupt old men who run in privileged circles might finally get removed.

And you cant see that Thaksin IS that rich elite corrupt old man?

Even though it has been shown many times and proven in a court of law.

The money trail is under investigation now, any bets on where it will point?

[djayz]

This is typical of Thaksin and his ilk and their mindset.

Power at any price and corruption to feather their own fouled nest even further under the pretence of democracy.

None of those puppets that were (mis) leading the Red Shirt demonstrators supporters etc had nor do have any interest in true democracy.

It is all about Thaksin and his malovent desire for revenge upon Thailand and its peoples.Thaksins ego is the cancer that could if allowed to destroy this country.

Thaksin and his allies many of whom are not Thai have been invited to feast upon the carcass of Thailand under Thaksins dream.

These people must be stopped before Thailand becomes a vassal state of a Sino Thai kleptomaniac.

Thats where you are wrong totally.

The problem of Thailand is a small Elite who devour everything and leave the majority of the county with nothing.

Thaksin has no desire for anything but good for the people of Thailand.

However I suspect he has revenge on his mind when it comes to the small band of old corrupt elite who stage managed his fall from power and who have through lies and manipulation dragged his name through the mud.

This is why the people like Thaksin, as he was willing to take on those corrupt old men, and even though he failed he has given them hope that some day soon those corrupt old men who run in privileged circles might finally get removed.

"Thaksin has no desire for anything but good for the people of Thailand" You can't be serious?!!?!?!??!!??!!?!? Auld Square Faces' only desire was what was good for HIM.

[Ricardo]

LOL

Typical "Nation / ASTV" Yellow shirt nonsense !!!!!!!!!!

"Red Schools" - let me guess they are in Afghanistan and Pakistan and next door to Taliban schools as well

I think we can put this down to Thai Military playing same media spin game based on US War on Terror

Nothing like feeding the propaganda out to justify the lack of human rights under the Emergency Decree.

<snip for brevity>

Looks at this "Red School" nonsense by the Nation - pure fantasy pumping the government propaganda - pathetic. !!!

LevelHead, you must have missed the Red-Shirts claims over the past several months,to have some 400 'red schools' ? And these were in Thailand, not Pakistan or Afghanistan, and no link to Taliban schools was claimed.

You might wish to be able to spin this as being all media-spin or military-propaganda, but you're just plain wrong, hope you can admit that.

It's as silly as calling respected long-time member UG a yellow-shirt, which is grossly-inaccurate, and only serves to reduce your own credibility.

You have a right to post, and hold your own opinion, but revisionist crap like that doesn't help you persuade anyone that you're right. :jap:

Edited June 20, 2010 by Ricardo

[way2muchcoffee]

From what I remember of your posts you are pro-Yellow and very anti-Red.

Its funny how many Yellow supporters all claim to "......have had some sympathies with reds but not anymore......."

Actually, I was called a redshirt on Thai Visa for months. I'm sure that plenty of posters will confirm this. However, when I saw that they had no interest in a peaceful solution - even before the fires and riots -  I realized that the leaders were only out for themselves. Actions speak louder than words.   

UG's posts in the past leaned most decidedly toward the redshirt agenda. I can absolutely confirm this.

[cdnvic]

Name calling, flaming, and some flat out racist posts deleted, along with two who modified other people's quotes.

[givenall]

I had some sympathy for the redshirts before the hatred, violence and firestorm that they initiated in Bangkok. However, they have proved that the Prime Minister is right. Many of the leaders are acting like terrorists.

They need to stop the threats and do things legally and peacefully. After Bangkok, the government is justified in whatever measures it takes to stop them from ruining the country. They are cutting their own throats with their recalcitrance.

Follow the money. Stop the flow of the money for payment to these peoples you will have a result to stop these nonsense vioplant protests. I am not against protest, but the result of past two month showed these people are not foe anything except to disrupt the life of bkk people even though no real benefit by their actions.

So keep a permanent emergency act in place till they run of money.

They need to wait for election to show their influence if any left after all acts of violence that came from them