Mayor Ken Livingstone in London said in yesterday's press conference that airport style scanners were too big for tube stations.

New York starts random bag searches on the subway soon. (They claim 'not based on racial or ethnic criteria') ....but we know what they mean.

I think that New York might be on to a winner there.

Well, we all know Red Ken don't have a clue nohow.

But in terms of random bag searches in this day and age - definitely.

it will not stop people from carrying out these attacks - dress up as a fat man or pregnant woman - why do you need the bag? work in the repair and servicing industry for public transport etc etc

its a "yes look we are taking action " spin - placebo effect

Yep i agree bag searches should be carried out, i for one wouldnt mind having my bag searched if it meant the atrocities stopped,

100% security nobody can guarantee, not even by putting a police officer next to every traveller. They are only talking about the tube, what about bus-stops?

But whatever helps, e.g. random checks, why not? Big or small bags woldn't make much difference as bombs can be very small and still powerfull.

Compare with BKK-airport these days. Doors closed resp. changed to exit or entry only. Security officers with hand scanners. Nothing perfect but something done to reduce the risk.

Well, we all know Red Ken don't have a clue nohow.

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....only one of London's most successful politicians....and fine newt collector.

Why don't they just suspend all citizens' rights altogether.....let the gov't or the military go into anyones home at any time for any reason and take whatever they want....accuse whoever they want ...no public disclosure....imprison without charging a crime for any length of time....try and execute whoever they want.....I'd go for that if it meant the atrocities would stop.

Who is going to want to travel on the Tube two weeks on thursday given the pattern?

Its all very well Tony Blair telling Londoners to get on with Business or invoking the Blitz spirit - he has an armour plated Limo.

Well, we all know Red Ken don't have a clue nohow.

....only one of London's most successful politicians....and fine newt collector.

"Newt" collector?

What pray tell is a 'newt'?

One of these?

One of these?

is that a speaking newt ?

Looks like they have started searching bags. Stockwell station, someone has been shot by police after they were conducting a search. The person decided they were going to run and they were shot. Thats the only news so far news flash on the cricket but no further news as yet.

Looks like they have started searching bags. Stockwell station, someone has been shot by police after they were conducting a search. The person decided they were going to run and they were shot. Thats the only news so far news flash on the cricket but no further news as yet.

sounds like shot and killed - hope he was not running cause he had an outstanding warrant for not voting.

Police 'kill suicide bomber'

From staff writers with wire services

July 22, 2005

POLICE have shot and killed a suspected suicide bomber in an underground train station in south London, eyewitnesses have said.

"We can confirm that just after 10 am today armed officers shot a male at Stockwell Underground station," a spokesman for London's Metropolitan Police said.

The suspect was shot by police at Stockwell station, while he was trying to board a train, Sky News reported.

The man was believed to have been killed, Sky reported.

Passengers said that a man - described as South Asian - ran onto a train. Witnesses said police chased him, he tripped, then they shot him.

"They pushed him onto the floor and unloaded five shots into him. He's dead," witness Mark Whitby told the BBC.

Whitby said it didn't look like the man was carrying anything but said he was wearing a thick coat that looked padded.

"We were on the Tube and then we suddenly heard someone say 'get out, get out' and then we heard gunshots," said passenger Briony Coetsee.

Alistair Drummond, of the London Ambulance Service, said paramedics had been called to the station.

The Press Association reported that passengers had been evacuated from Stockwell station.

Stockwell is one stop south of Oval station, one of the stations at the centre of apparent attempted bombings yesterday, two weeks after bomb attacks killed 56 people in the British capital.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/commo...55E1702,00.html

Just taken that exert stu and posted it in general topics.

I don't agree with random bag searching.

Search every bag!

It happens now where I work, doesn't worry me

I'm sure as advanced as we are there should be smth that people could walk by that would alert to explosives.

Ahh I know this one, it is the Pizassa Newt sometimes called a Yorkie

Yeah, search every bag and if they run then shoot them...shoot to kill....we've got to stop those uncivilized barbarians from disrupting our lives....

Who is going to want to travel on the Tube two weeks on thursday given the pattern?

Its all very well Tony Blair telling Londoners to get on with Business or invoking the Blitz spirit - he has an armour plated Limo.

So what are you saying "moog" should we or should we not search bags or are you saying we should not discrenminate the bag carriers? You put yourself in a position of you don't give a sh1t. Where are you in this matter? Where are you from and what do you think is the way to go? Are you English or are you an import?

So what are you saying "moog" should we or should we not search bags or are you saying we should not discrenminate the bag carriers? You put yourself in a position of you don't give a sh1t. Where are you in this matter? Where are you from and what do you think is the way to go? Are you English or are you an import?

Post #1 in this topic answers your query.

Given that no security force from Tsarist Russia through Israel to the USA and UK has successfully removed terrorism, I believe we have to create a mind set that regretfully accepts these acts happen – just as we do with fatal car accidents.

Our energies should not therefore be used in blanket attempts to prevent terrorism from taking place such as:

• Searching all bags

• Ex-raying all passengers

• Putting barbed wire fencing or concrete walls around sensitive areas or even countries

• ID cards

• Comprehensive computer record of all etc.

But we must use the one weapon that separates terrorism, on the whole, from other more conventional forms of warfare – that is terrorism’s unexpectedness. The fact that terrorism makes its greatest impact by the fact that it happens when we least expect it to and in areas most vulnerable to this unexpectedness.

We have to put the terrorist on the defensive. As it is now, we are on the defensive in trying to protect innocent people from suffering. Of course security forces and the police all over the world are trying aggressively to capture these criminals and prevent further attacks by all the means available to them.

What I am proposing is that we (Police, security forces and the general public) should combine to use against the terrorist the one thing they cannot plan against – and the one thing that worries us most – unexpectedness.

Security checks must be unexpected and random. No terrorist should be able to plan an attack from the security of knowing where and when security checks will take place. Use all the security checks we have now, but every now and then – without warning - make random security checks in unexpected places and at unanticipated times.

Keep the terrorist in a situation where he or she will only be able to make plans that have barely the slightest of chances of not being detected by some unpredicted increase in security.

By keeping them on the run and unsure as to what will be applied against them next - or when it will be applied – is one of the few ways we can retain the initiative in this war.

I think that what TM says may be used as an official line.

In practice, people might simply want to see every coloured person carrying a backpack checked out at the ticket barrier. Some will say its discriminatory, ....and it is. That will bring a new set of conflicts while solving the original problem.

Also, you can't shoot every person who refuses to be searched and does a runner.

Also, you can't shoot every person who refuses to be searched and does a runner.

Oh yes you can...go ahead and try it and you'll see exactly the same results.

I think that what TM says may be used as an official line.

In practice, people might simply want to see every coloured person carrying a backpack checked out at the ticket barrier. Some will say its discriminatory, ....and it is. That will bring a new set of conflicts while solving the original problem.

Also, you can't shoot every person who refuses to be searched and does a runner.

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There are unfortunately more than enough white goons or girlfriends who would carry the explosives, either with or without their own knowledge.

There are many examples of this.

Under the heading: Instantaneous Victimization

Almost instantly after the shooting of a suspect in a London tube station, here come the hand-wringing stories British Muslims fear ‘shoot to kill’ policy.

BRITISH Muslims fear police are operating under a “shoot to kill” policy after a man was gunned down at an Underground train station following a second wave of bomb attacks. The Muslim Council of Britain called on police to explain why the Asian man, reported as a “suspected suicide bomber” by Sky News, was shot dead at Stockwell station in south London.

Police have confirmed officers pursued and shot a man, who was pronounced dead at the scene, but have offered no explanation for the shooting. The incident came a day after another apparent wave of would-be bombers hit London’s mass transport system, two weeks after four suspected Islamists blew themselves up on trains and a bus, killing 56 people.

A Muslim Council spokesman said Muslims were “jumpy and nervous”, and feared reprisal attacks. “I have just had one phone call saying: ‘What if I was carrying a rucksack?’” Inayat Bunglawala said, referring to the rucksack bombs used in the London attacks.

“It’s vital the police give a statement about what occurred (at Stockwell) and explain why the man was shot dead,” Mr Bunglawala said. “We are getting phone calls from quite a lot of Muslims who are distressed about what may be a shoot-to-kill policy.”

Perhaps the police should have obtained a squad of psychologists first to 'understand' the poor fella before popping those caps?

The BBC are saying that the geezer the Old Bill plugged wasn't one of the four bombers.

... “We are getting phone calls from quite a lot of Muslims who are distressed about what may be a shoot-to-kill policy.”

Perhaps the police should have obtained a squad of psychologists first to 'understand' the poor fella before popping those caps?   

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The British security forces have always had, and always will have, a "shoot to kill" policy over direct contact with terrorists.

See Palestine, Cyprus, Kenya, Yemen, Malaysia, Londonderry, Gibraltar etc..

You shoot a suspected terrorist, with a bomb strapped to himself, either in the head, the legs or the body (central nervous system) - you do not shake his hand.

The guy acted so suspiscously that they had to shoot him, what if he did have the bomb?

Maybe guilty of something else, some drugs on him or something stupid like that and didn't expect the police to open fire.

One can understand the muslum communities anxiety.

For sure, in an enlightened society like Britain, it would be more humane if police were to hold their fire until a panel of government bureaucrats was able to independently confirm that: a) the suspect had, in fact, exploded; that such explosion was not merely Spontaneous Muslim Combustion, or "SMC," but was intentional; c) that said intentional explosion was caused with the intent of causing harm contrary to British law; and d) whether there was any mitigating cause, such as Israeli activity in the Occupied Territories, which might justify the explosion.

Once all these questions had been answered satisfactorily, and all administrative and judicial appeals resolved, the police could certainly fire at their target, provided that they had filled out the necessary forms...

As usual, the Moslem community is more concerned about possible reprisals against their community than they are about bombers who blow up people in subways and on buses.

(Not to worry, Muslum community; if the past is any predictor of the future, if any reprisals do occur, they'll be directed against the Jews.)

The BBC are saying that the geezer the Old Bill plugged wasn't one of the four bombers.

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The BBC are also reporting:

Police have said a man shot dead by police at Stockwell Tube station in south London is "directly linked" to anti-terrorist operations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm