Sadly, there has to be another death reported in the Iraq war. Oddly enough this one ocurred in Kentucky. Two gun vendors at a flea market got into an argument over the Iraq war, both pulled guns and the man who backed the war got off the first shot. ....

"It was bound to happen sooner or later, and in what newspapers in Kentucky are calling a first, one American has killed another in a dispute over the Iraq war. It happened at Floyd County flea market on Thursday, when two friends, who were firearms vendors there, drew guns after quarreling about the war. Douglas Moore, 65, of Martin, who backs the war, shot and killed Harold Wayne Smith, 56, of Manchester, who opposed it, according to investigators.

Moore was released without being charged after he convinced police he had acted in self-defense. A grand jury may yet hear evidence in the case. Commonwealth’s Attorney Brent Turner said the episode might mark the first death in the U.S. due to a dispute over the war.

One witness, Sam Hamman of Prestonsburg, told the Lexington Herald-Leader, “Harold was talking about the 14 people that were killed in Iraq the other day and Doug said that just as many people were killed on the highways here.”

This quickly escalated into an argument, then to a scuffle, and finally both men drew pistols outside a snack shed. The dead man was apparently just a little slower in firing. Witnesses said he stood for about five seconds before toppling on the walkway."

The moral of this story? People who are against war should not carry guns.

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Yeah, people are drawing guns and killing each other in Kentucky over the war, but we are all the same to some of the people who post here.

Imagine that BM, you and me the same Makes the head spin, doesn't it?

Hmmmm bunch of nutters...

Hmmmm bunch of nutters...  

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Agreed.Two very dumb people.It goes to show how gun control laws are working in Kentuky.

Hmmmm bunch of nutters...  

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Agreed.Two very dumb people.It goes to show how gun control laws are working in Kentuky.

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I think a prereq for owning a firearm should be intelligence and positive psych testing . as you can what happens when any dullard gets hold of a firearm.

Yeah, people are drawing guns and killing each other in Kentucky over the war, but we are all the same to some of the people who post here.

Imagine that BM, you and me the same    Makes the head spin, doesn't it?

I've noticed that Kat, but don't worry 'bout it any more. (if I ever did).

Just gotta keep on keepin' on!

Sorry - off topic.

On topic: Many states now have "carry" licenses where you take a firearms safety course and can apply to carry if you're not a Felon. It's all a part of what our Founding Fathers believed in an armed militia.

On topic: Many states now have "carry" licenses where you take a firearms safety course and can apply to carry if you're not a Felon. It's all a part of what our Founding Fathers believed in an armed militia.

BM - I understand that, but I think a slight modification is in order - lets face it some people just shouldnt be allowed to carry firearms.

Yeah, people are drawing guns and killing each other in Kentucky over the war, but we are all the same to some of the people who post here.

Imagine that BM, you and me the same    Makes the head spin, doesn't it?

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I've noticed that Kat, but don't worry 'bout it any more. (if I ever did).

Just gotta keep on keepin' on!

Sorry - off topic.

On topic: Many states now have "carry" licenses where you take a firearms safety course and can apply to carry if you're not a Felon. It's all a part of what our Founding Fathers believed in an armed militia.

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Do you mean the Pommies?

They have had firearms licenses in NZ for about 40 years now.I suppose it takes a bit for you lot to catch up.

On topic: Many states now have "carry" licenses where you take a firearms safety course and can apply to carry if you're not a Felon. It's all a part of what our Founding Fathers believed in an armed militia.

BM - I understand that, but I think a slight modification is in order - lets face it some people just shouldnt be allowed to carry firearms.

Absolutely brit, but then again some people should not be allowed to breed either.

How do you make the decision who can have a gun or who is allowed to sire offspring?

If I understand correctly (which I may not, because I'm from a neighborhood that was full of unlicensed guns), the states has had a firearms license, but with varying degrees of enforcement and strength.

Personally, I'd like to see us have less guns and just revert to kicking the shit out of each other like the British

On topic: Many states now have "carry" licenses where you take a firearms safety course and can apply to carry if you're not a Felon. It's all a part of what our Founding Fathers believed in an armed militia.

BM - I understand that, but I think a slight modification is in order - lets face it some people just shouldnt be allowed to carry firearms.

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Absolutely brit, but then again some people should not be allowed to breed either.

How do you make the decision who can have a gun or who is allowed to sire offspring?

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Simple: you pass laws and enforcements that make it much more difficult and expensive to get one. How have other Western countries managed gun control? Although, I hear that gun control is becoming worrisome in the UK. Is this correct?

On topic: Many states now have "carry" licenses where you take a firearms safety course and can apply to carry if you're not a Felon. It's all a part of what our Founding Fathers believed in an armed militia.

BM - I understand that, but I think a slight modification is in order - lets face it some people just shouldnt be allowed to carry firearms.

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Absolutely brit, but then again some people should not be allowed to breed either.

How do you make the decision who can have a gun or who is allowed to sire offspring?

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Dead right there mate, birth control should have been made mandatory for the GB senior.

On topic: Many states now have "carry" licenses where you take a firearms safety course and can apply to carry if you're not a Felon. It's all a part of what our Founding Fathers believed in an armed militia.

BM - I understand that, but I think a slight modification is in order - lets face it some people just shouldnt be allowed to carry firearms.

Absolutely brit, but then again some people should not be allowed to breed either.

How do you make the decision who can have a gun or who is allowed to sire offspring?

Dead right there mate, birth control should have been made mandatory for the GB senior.

The problem with guns in America is people becoming fanatics about the issue.

On my father's side of the family everybody is pro-gun, to the point of stupidity. They base all their voting on whether or not the person is pro-gun or anti-gun. My mothers side is the complete opposite. So, now we have people bent on taking away all guns, no matter what, and people who want to keep all guns no matter what. Emotions become more than issue and nothing gets done. Both side shot themselves in the foot instead of coming to terms with each other.

Only the side with guns could shoot themselves in the foot. The side without would have to rely on the others.

The problem is when a society restricts gun ownership you get a situation like in Australia. The gun laws passed there after that idiot went 'postal' up in Tasmania was it and killed lots of folks - you now have a situation where you know the criminals have the guns but the general population does not.

And how many deaths from firearms per capita and year does Australia have compared to the States?

And how many deaths from firearms per capita and year does Australia have compared to the States?

A bogus/circular argument there, Meadish.

Different society entirely. Besides guns don't kill people, people do...

This one's a 'no-win' argument.

Boon Me, a question: on top of being a right wing nut, are you also a gun nut ?

And how many deaths from firearms per capita and year does Australia have compared to the States?

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A bogus/circular argument there, Meadish.

Different society entirely. Besides guns don't kill people, people do...

This one's a 'no-win' argument.

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You can't really get amuch more circular than the argument that. "People should own guns cos the criminals have then. '

Why do the criminals have them because everyone else has them. Anyway is'nt it the police's job to catch the criminals?

F.u.c.king JC! See what I mean? Now all of you are agruing over who has guns and why they should have guns, what differentence does it make how a person is killed, shot, cut, bashed, crushed, &lt;deleted&gt;? It should only matter that they were killed, who didi the killing and how that person should be sentenced. If I really wanted to kill someone I wouldn't need a gun to do it.

F.u.c.king JC! See what I mean? Now all of you are agruing over who has guns and why they should have guns, what differentence does it make how a person is killed, shot, cut, bashed, crushed, &lt;deleted&gt;? It should only matter that they were killed, who didi the killing and how that person should be sentenced. If I really wanted to kill someone I wouldn't need a gun to do it.

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I think the difference between guns and other weapons is that guns can effortlessly turn a moments anger into instant death....an act which is often regretted but impossible to reverse. Even though you do not need a gun to kill many people do so they buy them and eventually use them.

F.u.c.king JC! See what I mean? Now all of you are agruing over who has guns and why they should have guns, what differentence does it make how a person is killed, shot, cut, bashed, crushed, &lt;deleted&gt;? It should only matter that they were killed, who didi the killing and how that person should be sentenced. If I really wanted to kill someone I wouldn't need a gun to do it.

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I think the difference between guns and other weapons is that guns can effortlessly turn a moments anger into instant death....an act which is often regretted but impossible to reverse. Even though you do not need a gun to kill many people do so they buy them and eventually use them.

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Moments of anger have been around longer than guns, and no one had any problem killing any one back than either. The local news where I live talked about a guy useing a baseball bat to crush another mans head in. I don't think it took that long to do. News said under 3 minutes.

I am not a fan of firearms. I don't understand people who glorify them. Yet, the world now has them and to take them away from people, leaving only the cops, criminals and the army to have them seems a bit too trusting and dangerous.

My biggest problem is all the fighting over guns. I feel they're are way too many other issues that most governments need to address and people fighting over guns takes the attention away from those issues.

Who would you feel the least comfortable around - an angry man with a gun, or an angry man with a baseball bat?

I didn't realise that if you tried to legislate gun control, criminals would be exempt from this.

Who would you feel the least comfortable around - an angry man with a gun, or an angry man with a baseball bat?

I didn't realise that if you tried to legislate gun control, criminals would be exempt from this.

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Just because there is a law written down somewhere doesn't mean the gun will refuse to shot or the baseball bat will get too heavy for the guy to swing at you. The law is only in place for after the crime, the cops are only there to clean up. The law means nothing at the moment when you are being attacked.

I would rather be shot than beaten to death, how about you? Ya know, better yet I'd rather kill them before they killed me.

Who would you feel the least comfortable around - an angry man with a gun, or an angry man with a baseball bat?

I didn't realise that if you tried to legislate gun control, criminals would be exempt from this.

Ya know, better yet I'd rather kill them before they killed me.

The operative statement in this whole thread.

Who would you feel the least comfortable around - an angry man with a gun, or an angry man with a baseball bat?

I didn't realise that if you tried to legislate gun control, criminals would be exempt from this.

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Ya know, better yet I'd rather kill them before they killed me.

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The operative statement in this whole thread.

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Yeah, you're right.

If somebody who had a vendetta against me could legally own a firearm, ###### right I'd want one too. Where do I sign?

The first time I held a loaded gun outside a controlled environment was in Thailand (it could well of been the US!). What a strange feeling that was....

The last person I remember who got shot in a streetfight was....

Was...

Fck. Can't think of anybody.

Boon, thaibebop - Can you?

Some people say that knives and baseball bats are used to kill so why are guns to be treated differently. To them I say: If knives and bats are to considered to be lethal weapons just like guns then why do you want to have a gun? Why not just get a knife or a baseball bat?

Obviously saying that knives and baseball bats being used as weapons justifies gun ownership is a specious arguement.

As for me, I do not have an opinion as to whether gun ownership should be legal or not. I can see really good arguements on both sides and I have not been able to reconcile these arguements....so.....rather than be a hypocrit I simply admit that I really don't know.

The last person I remember who got shot in a streetfight was....

Was...

Fck. Can't think of anybody.

Boon, thaibebop - Can you?

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Nope. I've seen plenty of people get the snot kicked out of them though.

Chownah-

I agree with you. I can see both sides, but I have always felt that it is unfair to disarm someone who just wants to protect their family. Yet, I have met gun nuts who to me are cowards. They are just hiding behind their guns. Maybe I'm out of date here, but if you're gonna kill man, look him in the eye. Know what it is you do when you kill. I sometimes think these gun nuts haven't firgured that out yet.