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[qwunk89]

After watching Matt Cassel for 4 starts, and nearly 5 full games, I am now convinced that he simply is not an NFL caliber QB. He hasn't got a clue of what is going on around him in the pocket; or what is happening downfield any time that his first option isn't there. The performance against the Chargers was one of the worst I've ever seen by any NFL QB.

Hey, you obviously haven't been catching JaMarcus Russell of the Raiders too much. Last night in the Raiders 34-3 loss to the Saints, Saints QB Drew Brees threw like 15 or 16 consecutive completions before making his first incomplete pass well well into the game. He ended up completing 26 of 30 overall. It was pretty amazing to watch as he totally demolished the Raiders defense.

By contrast, Russell couldn't complete a pass if his life depended on it, and if he wasn't throwing incompletions, he was fumbling or being intercepted. I know he's basically a rookie, but it was sad to watch for a team that carries the legacy of Daryl Lamonica, Kenny Stabler and Jim Plunket.

Basically, the Raiders can't seem to score a TD if their life depended on it. As the SF Chronicle reported this morning re the Saints game... "The Raiders failed to score a first-half touchdown for the fourth time in five games."

they need to bring back the cliff branch / doug casper stick-um . . seemed to work back in the day . . too bad it was banned

[patsfangr]

AGHHHH! Even having a QB that knows what he is doing didn't guarantee anything for the Cowboys. Romo had a strong game (320 yds passing, 3 TD's. No ints., and a 113 QB rating), but 14 out of the Cards 30 points came from a kickoff return and blocked punt. Aghhhh. This is one time I am happy I don't have Game Pass.

I'm sorry for YOUR pain, OMR. But it always make me smile when Jerry Jones gets upset.

[patsfangr]

don't bail on the season yet patsfangr, i'm sure belichek will figure something out to stay competitive . . although he should have a more capable #2 behind brady. but, then again, when was the last time brady was hurt - besides his "phanton-probable-weekly appearance on the injury report thing"?

who knows, cassell may suprise you as the season rolls on . . or maybe even the rookie

I gave him time, qwunk. Until this week, I've been urging patience among my Pats fans freinds back in the USA. But the fact is that he has shown no sign of progress in pocket presence, ability to read defences, or ability to find secondary receivers in six weeks. This game was his worst to date on all three of those points. He had Moss open by 5 yards for a 25 yard TD, and missed him by 10 yards, with virtually no pressure on him. He had Ben Watson come clear almost immediately after the snap from the Chargers 1 yard line, and, again with a couple of seconds standing alone, couldn't find him! There really is no hope for this kid this season.

Remember that he hadn't started a game since high school before Brady went down. He just isn't ready for the NFL. He may grow into it someday; but it will NOT happen within the time frame required for him to lead this year's Patriots to the Playoffs.

No, I'm afraid this is a lost season for my team. I'll continue to watch, and hope for a victory now and then. And I will certainly keep the faith for the return of Brady, and a return to greatness next season. But this year is just passing the time.

[Old Man River]

AGHHHH! Even having a QB that knows what he is doing didn't guarantee anything for the Cowboys. Romo had a strong game (320 yds passing, 3 TD's. No ints., and a 113 QB rating), but 14 out of the Cards 30 points came from a kickoff return and blocked punt. Aghhhh. This is one time I am happy I don't have Game Pass.

I'm sorry for YOUR pain, OMR. But it always make me smile when Jerry Jones gets upset.

I feel the same about Belichick.

[Old Man River]

let's go browns!

While I am happy the Giants beat the Browns, things aren't looking good in Dallas. Romo broke a finger on his throwing hand on the first play of OT and is out one month and McBriar broke his foot on the blocked punt and is out two months.

At QB we have Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger, so it isn't like having Matt Cassel and a rookie who has never played. Still, Romo is like Brady in that it is going to be very, very hard to win without him.

[Groongthep]

Granted we're only 4 games into the season but I suspect that the highly touted NFC East has been grossly over rated.

That is a hilarious comment. Simply hilarious. Are you even aware that the the 4 NFC East teams in the aggregate this year are 8-1 against teams outside of the NFC East?. The only loss was the Eagles 4 point loss to da Bears today (another NFC team), after they humiliated the AFC's Steelers last week. NFC East over-rated? I think not.

Clevland 35

NY Giants 14

St. Louis 19

Washington 17

Arizona 30

Dallas 24

Yep, NFC East grossly over rated. Absolutely hilarious!

[patsfangr]

let's go browns!

While I am happy the Giants beat the Browns, things aren't looking good in Dallas. Romo broke a finger on his throwing hand on the first play of OT and is out one month and McBriar broke his foot on the blocked punt and is out two months.

At QB we have Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger, so it isn't like having Matt Cassel and a rookie who has never played. Still, Romo is like Brady in that it is going to be very, very hard to win without him.

I'm sorry about the injury, OMR. I never wish injury to any player (since Jack Tatum retired!).

I saw a rumor circulating that the Cowboys may trade with the Bengals to get Kitna. I don't know about that. Kitna is struggling with a back problem, so who knows if he'd be much good for the few weeks that Romo is out. I'm sure that, if there's any truth to it, the 'Boys would want to see Kitna work out. IF he's healthy, he'd certainly be a better option than Johnson or Bollinger.

[Old Man River]

let's go browns!

While I am happy the Giants beat the Browns, things aren't looking good in Dallas. Romo broke a finger on his throwing hand on the first play of OT and is out one month and McBriar broke his foot on the blocked punt and is out two months.

At QB we have Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger, so it isn't like having Matt Cassel and a rookie who has never played. Still, Romo is like Brady in that it is going to be very, very hard to win without him.

I'm sorry about the injury, OMR. I never wish injury to any player (since Jack Tatum retired!).

I saw a rumor circulating that the Cowboys may trade with the Bengals to get Kitna. I don't know about that. Kitna is struggling with a back problem, so who knows if he'd be much good for the few weeks that Romo is out. I'm sure that, if there's any truth to it, the 'Boys would want to see Kitna work out. IF he's healthy, he'd certainly be a better option than Johnson or Bollinger.

If Roy Williams is part of the package, they may well do it. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense. Why Kitna when they already have experienced QB's they can bring in. Brad Johnson is a SB winner and Bollinger started for the Jets in 2005.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that Kitna is better than either. I just feel that we already have experience on the bench and Romo will only be out for 3 games. Kitna, on the other hand, would be better suited for a time like the Pats who have no experience at present at QB. The Pats have to be thinking they need someone else other than Cassel at this point, and Kitna my be a better fit in NE.

[Calico]

The drop-off from Tony Romo to Brad Johnson is far, far less than the drop-off from Tom Brady to Matt Cassel.

[Old Man River]

let's go browns!

While I am happy the Giants beat the Browns, things aren't looking good in Dallas. Romo broke a finger on his throwing hand on the first play of OT and is out one month and McBriar broke his foot on the blocked punt and is out two months.

At QB we have Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger, so it isn't like having Matt Cassel and a rookie who has never played. Still, Romo is like Brady in that it is going to be very, very hard to win without him.

I'm sorry about the injury, OMR. I never wish injury to any player (since Jack Tatum retired!).

I saw a rumor circulating that the Cowboys may trade with the Bengals to get Kitna. I don't know about that. Kitna is struggling with a back problem, so who knows if he'd be much good for the few weeks that Romo is out. I'm sure that, if there's any truth to it, the 'Boys would want to see Kitna work out. IF he's healthy, he'd certainly be a better option than Johnson or Bollinger.

If Roy Williams is part of the package, they may well do it. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense. Why Kitna when they already have experienced QB's they can bring in. Brad Johnson is a SB winner and Bollinger started for the Jets in 2005.

The Cowboys just traded for Roy Williams!!! That gives them T.O., Williams and Witten lining up, along with Barber out of the backfield. Now, let's see teams try and double team T.O. It cost them several draft picks.

OK, Pacman is out for 4 games (suspension) and Newman (injury) for more than that, but they used their top draft pick this year to draft a DB and now he will get a lot of playing time. They also picked up a punter that was on the Broncos roster to replace McBriar, who is probably out for the season. Then, of course, there is Romo who is out for 3 games. What an up and down season this is going to be.

[patsfangr]

The Cowboys just traded for Roy Williams!!! That gives them T.O., Williams and Witten lining up, along with Barber out of the backfield. Now, let's see teams try and double team T.O. It cost them several draft picks.

OK, Pacman is out for 4 games (suspension) and Newman (injury) for more than that, but they used their top draft pick this year to draft a DB and now he will get a lot of playing time. They also picked up a punter that was on the Broncos roster to replace McBriar, who is probably out for the season. Then, of course, there is Romo who is out for 3 games. What an up and down season this is going to be.

It's a great receiving corps, on paper, OMR. But, objectively, you have to wonder how Owens will take to having the ball spread around between THREE guys, and, as you said, often being double-teamed to take HIM out of the play, leaving more glory for Williams and Witten.

I can't read the guy's mind (what there is of one!); but history says that this could be a major problem. I am definitely in the crowd that can't stand Owens. He has serious psychological problems, IMO; and is a far from being a team player as anyone I've ever seen in the NFL. We'll see how it goes.

On the other side, it's a great opportunity for Williams. He's a very talented kid, who's been lost in a lousy system since he came to the league. It will be interesting to see how the Cowboys use him.

And, of course, Witten has already been great. What will he be with TWO WRs drawing the attention of the secondary away from the TE?

IF (and that's a big "IF", IMO) Owens can keep his pacifier in his mouth, and play as part of the team, the Cowboys will be fun to watch. (I'll just have to close my eyes when they switch to one of those "owners box" shots!) :-)

[Old Man River]

The Cowboys just traded for Roy Williams!!! That gives them T.O., Williams and Witten lining up, along with Barber out of the backfield. Now, let's see teams try and double team T.O. It cost them several draft picks.

OK, Pacman is out for 4 games (suspension) and Newman (injury) for more than that, but they used their top draft pick this year to draft a DB and now he will get a lot of playing time. They also picked up a punter that was on the Broncos roster to replace McBriar, who is probably out for the season. Then, of course, there is Romo who is out for 3 games. What an up and down season this is going to be.

It's a great receiving corps, on paper, OMR. But, objectively, you have to wonder how Owens will take to having the ball spread around between THREE guys, and, as you said, often being double-teamed to take HIM out of the play, leaving more glory for Williams and Witten.

I can't read the guy's mind (what there is of one!); but history says that this could be a major problem. I am definitely in the crowd that can't stand Owens. He has serious psychological problems, IMO; and is a far from being a team player as anyone I've ever seen in the NFL. We'll see how it goes.

On the other side, it's a great opportunity for Williams. He's a very talented kid, who's been lost in a lousy system since he came to the league. It will be interesting to see how the Cowboys use him.

And, of course, Witten has already been great. What will he be with TWO WRs drawing the attention of the secondary away from the TE?

IF (and that's a big "IF", IMO) Owens can keep his pacifier in his mouth, and play as part of the team, the Cowboys will be fun to watch. (I'll just have to close my eyes when they switch to one of those "owners box" shots!) :-)

Right now defensive coordinators are talking about how to defend against Owens, Williams, Witten and Barber out of the backfield. None of them are talking about this being a problem "on paper." In the past, defensive coaches doubled T.O. and took their chances with Crayton and Austin. Crayton is not fast and while Austin is fast, he is young and didn't get a lot of big game college experience playing at Monmouth College. Witten is the best TE in the NFL, but he is a TE and isn't ever going to be a threat to burn you.

Earlier today, one defensive coordinator said that the Cowboys are now going to have one guy running free on every play. These are the experts who do this for a living. This has nothing to do with paper.

I understand your thoughts about T.O. since they mirror the exact same thoughts I have about Randy Moss. I have little use for Randy Moss. Still, I have to admit he seems to be getting along with the players and coaching staff and definitely has made the Pats a better team. Owens is the same. No problems with his team mates or coaches and he has had a positive impact on the Cowboys. Welker has made it difficult for teams to double on Moss and Welker catches a lot of passes. Williams will do the same for the Cowboys.

[patsfangr]

Right now defensive coordinators are talking about how to defend against Owens, Williams, Witten and Barber out of the backfield. None of them are talking about this being a problem "on paper." In the past, defensive coaches doubled T.O. and took their chances with Crayton and Austin. Crayton is not fast and while Austin is fast, he is young and didn't get a lot of big game college experience playing at Monmouth College. Witten is the best TE in the NFL, but he is a TE and isn't ever going to be a threat to burn you.

Earlier today, one defensive coordinator said that the Cowboys are now going to have one guy running free on every play. These are the experts who do this for a living. This has nothing to do with paper.

I understand your thoughts about T.O. since they mirror the exact same thoughts I have about Randy Moss. I have little use for Randy Moss. Still, I have to admit he seems to be getting along with the players and coaching staff and definitely has made the Pats a better team. Owens is the same. No problems with his team mates or coaches and he has had a positive impact on the Cowboys. Welker has made it difficult for teams to double on Moss and Welker catches a lot of passes. Williams will do the same for the Cowboys.

I have to tell you that I see a huge difference between the attitudes and previous problems of Moss and Owens, OMR. Moss has always been about WINNING. Owens has always been about "T.O."

Moss acted immaturely during his early years in the league. As time passed, he matured, and his understanding of the game grew tremendously. If you had seen, as I have, many of the interviews he's done since he's been in New England, you'd truly believe in that maturity; and you'd also understand why Bill Belichick has called him one of the most intelligent football players he's ever coached, with regard to his game knowledge. Last season, as Wes Welker got the majority of the receptions, because everybody began to focus on Moss, he never uttered a single word, or showed a single frown, when people mentioned it. He just wants to win. And I respect him for that, as well as for his obvious success in maturing as a player, and as a man.

We all know the history of Owens, so there's no need to repeat it. I have no respect whatsoever for Terrell Owens, either as a team player, or as a person. Again, we'll just have to wait and see how he reacts to becoming just one of the spokes in the Cowboys passing game wheel.

[Old Man River]

Right now defensive coordinators are talking about how to defend against Owens, Williams, Witten and Barber out of the backfield. None of them are talking about this being a problem "on paper." In the past, defensive coaches doubled T.O. and took their chances with Crayton and Austin. Crayton is not fast and while Austin is fast, he is young and didn't get a lot of big game college experience playing at Monmouth College. Witten is the best TE in the NFL, but he is a TE and isn't ever going to be a threat to burn you.

Earlier today, one defensive coordinator said that the Cowboys are now going to have one guy running free on every play. These are the experts who do this for a living. This has nothing to do with paper.

I understand your thoughts about T.O. since they mirror the exact same thoughts I have about Randy Moss. I have little use for Randy Moss. Still, I have to admit he seems to be getting along with the players and coaching staff and definitely has made the Pats a better team. Owens is the same. No problems with his team mates or coaches and he has had a positive impact on the Cowboys. Welker has made it difficult for teams to double on Moss and Welker catches a lot of passes. Williams will do the same for the Cowboys.

I have to tell you that I see a huge difference between the attitudes and previous problems of Moss and Owens, OMR. Moss has always been about WINNING. Owens has always been about "T.O."

Moss acted immaturely during his early years in the league. As time passed, he matured, and his understanding of the game grew tremendously. If you had seen, as I have, many of the interviews he's done since he's been in New England, you'd truly believe in that maturity; and you'd also understand why Bill Belichick has called him one of the most intelligent football players he's ever coached, with regard to his game knowledge. Last season, as Wes Welker got the majority of the receptions, because everybody began to focus on Moss, he never uttered a single word, or showed a single frown, when people mentioned it. He just wants to win. And I respect him for that, as well as for his obvious success in maturing as a player, and as a man.

We all know the history of Owens, so there's no need to repeat it. I have no respect whatsoever for Terrell Owens, either as a team player, or as a person. Again, we'll just have to wait and see how he reacts to becoming just one of the spokes in the Cowboys passing game wheel.

It is hard to respond when you obviously have completely closed your mind on Owens. All I can say is that the guy that was in tears defending his QB after last year's playoff loss bears no relation to the person you describe. Owens has grown up. He has played three seasons with the Cowboys and you never hear anything negative about him from any player or coach. None of them. All those that said he wouldn't fit into the Cowboys have long since admitted they were wrong.

Owens was ecstatic about Roy Williams coming to Dallas and quickly phoned Williams to tell him so. Owens is smart enough to know that Williams will only make the Cowboys a better team and everyone on the team gains when the team gets better.

Terrell Owens, Roy Williams and Jasen Witten. I can't wait.

[Old Man River]

Patsfangr, given that the trade deadline has passed, what are the Patriots going to do about this year's QB situation? Even when Brady comes back next season, it isn't definite he will be 100%. How good is O'Connell and when do you think he will be ready?

[patsfangr]

Patsfangr, given that the trade deadline has passed, what are the Patriots going to do about this year's QB situation? Even when Brady comes back next season, it isn't definite he will be 100%. How good is O'Connell and when do you think he will be ready?

Most importantly, based upon the news coming out of New England, the surgery on Brady went very well, and full recovery is expected in 6-9 months. At the worst case of 9 months, that means he'll be there for training camp. I fully expect Brady to be our QB for the start of next season.

As for O'Connell, I have no idea about his potential, beyond the fact that Belichick drafted him in R3, and Belichick doesn't throw away draft picks. But, does that mean that he's capable of doing anything significant for the team this season? Again, I have no idea. I'm sure that BB didn't draft this kid with the thought of replacing Brady this season.

Since we can not make a deal for some backup vet from another team, we're stuck with either Cassel (whom I consider incapable of gaining the confidence and poise required to run the team effectively this year), O'Connell, or some FA out there, like our former #3, Matt Gutierrez (who knows the Pats system), or Joey Harrington. I'm happy to leave that to BB, and just let this season play out as it will. I will continue to watch every game, and hope for the best; with minimal expectations. My team got screwed by fate (and an unpunished illegal shot from a defender) this year. Sh_t happens in the NFL.

[qwunk89]

AGHHHH! Even having a QB that knows what he is doing didn't guarantee anything for the Cowboys. Romo had a strong game (320 yds passing, 3 TD's. No ints., and a 113 QB rating), but 14 out of the Cards 30 points came from a kickoff return and blocked punt. Aghhhh. This is one time I am happy I don't have Game Pass.

I'm sorry for YOUR pain, OMR. But it always make me smile when Jerry Jones gets upset.

I feel the same about Belichick.

and i feel the same about both of them .

so OMR, at first i was bummed that the cowboys picked up Roy Williams; then I saw what they gave up for him; and then I realized they are going to need to play with two footballs to keep everyone happy, especially ME.O. if he was starting to blow up when getting nearly twenty touches, just imagine what is going to happen when Roy has a big game and T.O. has a catch or two (regardless if they win or lose); like patsfangr said earlier, T.O. has to be in the spotlight, he cares more about himself than team and winning - regardless of what placebo propaganda the cowboys are spouting about him welcoming Roy with open arms.

the trade may work for a few games, but it is bound to blow up at some point, isn't it? you can't have too many stars, especially when one needs to be the man. they also gave up to much for Roy; he is good, but not great. the eagles were interested, maybe that's why Jones gave up so much - or maybe they want to let TO go after the year. who knows? either way . .

i am going to sit back in watch it go off . . and I will love every second. if for some reason it works, I will gladly eat crow.

also, what happened to the cowboys oline? i mentioned them as the best in football, but on game review shows analysts are ripping them apart for their recent play (didn't see the arizona game, only overtime). long season.

Edited October 17, 2008 by qwunk89

[qwunk89]

on a side note, the eagles should have found a way to get tony gonzalez from the chiefs. especially since it seems a third rounder would have gotten it done . . the eagles front office dropped the ball there, not with Roy Williams.

[lomatopo]

This week's televised games, TrueSport 4:

NFL 2008/2009

013: PITTSBURGH STEELERS @ CINCINNATI BENGALS (20-OCT-2008)

20-Oct-2008 00:00

014: CLEVELAND BROWNS @ WASHINGTON REDSKINS (20-OCT-2008)

20-Oct-2008 03:15

013: PITTSBURGH STEELERS @ CINCINNATI BENGALS (20-OCT-2008)

20-Oct-2008 18:30

014: CLEVELAND BROWNS @ WASHINGTON REDSKINS (20-OCT-2008)

20-Oct-2008 21:30

013: PITTSBURGH STEELERS @ CINCINNATI BENGALS (20-OCT-2008)

21-Oct-2008 08:00

014: CLEVELAND BROWNS @ WASHINGTON REDSKINS (20-OCT-2008)

21-Oct-2008 11:00

NFL GAME DAY 2008

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19-Oct-2008 03:30

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19-Oct-2008 10:30

FYI, Tom Brady had a second operation; to contain an infection from the first operation, and there is some debate that he had the first operation too soon after the injury, without allowing the MCL to heal properly.

[Groongthep]

Granted we're only 4 games into the season but I suspect that the highly touted NFC East has been grossly over rated.

That is a hilarious comment. Simply hilarious. Are you even aware that the the 4 NFC East teams in the aggregate this year are 8-1 against teams outside of the NFC East?. The only loss was the Eagles 4 point loss to da Bears today (another NFC team), after they humiliated the AFC's Steelers last week. NFC East over-rated? I think not.

ST. Louis 34

Dallas 14

NFC East over rated? Simply Hilarious!

[Old Man River]

Granted we're only 4 games into the season but I suspect that the highly touted NFC East has been grossly over rated.

That is a hilarious comment. Simply hilarious. Are you even aware that the the 4 NFC East teams in the aggregate this year are 8-1 against teams outside of the NFC East?. The only loss was the Eagles 4 point loss to da Bears today (another NFC team), after they humiliated the AFC's Steelers last week. NFC East over-rated? I think not.

ST. Louis 34

Dallas 14

NFC East over rated? Simply Hilarious!

Why do you make such comments about something that can be so easily checked? This isn't a matter of opinion, results of games can be easily checked. I am sure one of your friends can help you do it.

Just so you are aware, through the first 7 weeks of the season, the NFC East is 13 - 4 against the rest of the NFL.

[Old Man River]

AGHHHH! Even having a QB that knows what he is doing didn't guarantee anything for the Cowboys. Romo had a strong game (320 yds passing, 3 TD's. No ints., and a 113 QB rating), but 14 out of the Cards 30 points came from a kickoff return and blocked punt. Aghhhh. This is one time I am happy I don't have Game Pass.

I'm sorry for YOUR pain, OMR. But it always make me smile when Jerry Jones gets upset.

I feel the same about Belichick.

and i feel the same about both of them .

so OMR, at first i was bummed that the cowboys picked up Roy Williams; then I saw what they gave up for him; and then I realized they are going to need to play with two footballs to keep everyone happy, especially ME.O. if he was starting to blow up when getting nearly twenty touches, just imagine what is going to happen when Roy has a big game and T.O. has a catch or two (regardless if they win or lose); like patsfangr said earlier, T.O. has to be in the spotlight, he cares more about himself than team and winning - regardless of what placebo propaganda the cowboys are spouting about him welcoming Roy with open arms.

the trade may work for a few games, but it is bound to blow up at some point, isn't it? you can't have too many stars, especially when one needs to be the man. they also gave up to much for Roy; he is good, but not great. the eagles were interested, maybe that's why Jones gave up so much - or maybe they want to let TO go after the year. who knows? either way . .

i am going to sit back in watch it go off . . and I will love every second. if for some reason it works, I will gladly eat crow.

also, what happened to the cowboys oline? i mentioned them as the best in football, but on game review shows analysts are ripping them apart for their recent play (didn't see the arizona game, only overtime). long season.

First on T.O. He is 35 years old and this is a tough game. Roy Williams is 8 years younger. I think this is the reason the deal was made and for this reason only, it makes a lot of sense. Everyone is waiting for a T.O. blow up. I waited for it when he joined the Cowboys and except for a few non-consequential instances, we haven't seen it. By now, at SF and Philly he would have been in open warfare with their QB's. He isn't with Romo. Maybe Romo just knows how to handle him better, but in any event the age issue made it paramount for the Cowboys to bring in an younger, premier receiver.

On the O-line, losing Kosar (who is still expected to come back this year) has been devastating. Still, it isn't an excuse.

On the St. Louis game, I thought the comments made by CBS announcers doing the Steelers - Bengals game into a live mike during a time out where really telling. The first one said to the second, look at that Dallas score. The second said it must be Brad Johnson and the first said yes. Then the second said that is the problem when you devise an offense around just one guy.

Patsfangr, you were right about Brad Johnson. Apparently, the Cowboys thought that Romo would play, so they listed him as #2, but when he couldn't go they were stuck with Johnson. Next week I suspect we will see a lot of Bollinger with Romo listed as the emergency QB.

Edited October 22, 2008 by Old Man River

[Old Man River]

Patsfangr, given that the trade deadline has passed, what are the Patriots going to do about this year's QB situation? Even when Brady comes back next season, it isn't definite he will be 100%. How good is O'Connell and when do you think he will be ready?

Most importantly, based upon the news coming out of New England, the surgery on Brady went very well, and full recovery is expected in 6-9 months. At the worst case of 9 months, that means he'll be there for training camp. I fully expect Brady to be our QB for the start of next season.

As for O'Connell, I have no idea about his potential, beyond the fact that Belichick drafted him in R3, and Belichick doesn't throw away draft picks. But, does that mean that he's capable of doing anything significant for the team this season? Again, I have no idea. I'm sure that BB didn't draft this kid with the thought of replacing Brady this season.

Since we can not make a deal for some backup vet from another team, we're stuck with either Cassel (whom I consider incapable of gaining the confidence and poise required to run the team effectively this year), O'Connell, or some FA out there, like our former #3, Matt Gutierrez (who knows the Pats system), or Joey Harrington. I'm happy to leave that to BB, and just let this season play out as it will. I will continue to watch every game, and hope for the best; with minimal expectations. My team got screwed by fate (and an unpunished illegal shot from a defender) this year. Sh_t happens in the NFL.

It sounds like Cassel had a great game against the Broncos. Good coaching always finds a way.

[Groongthep]

Granted we're only 4 games into the season but I suspect that the highly touted NFC East has been grossly over rated.

That is a hilarious comment. Simply hilarious. Are you even aware that the the 4 NFC East teams in the aggregate this year are 8-1 against teams outside of the NFC East?. The only loss was the Eagles 4 point loss to da Bears today (another NFC team), after they humiliated the AFC's Steelers last week. NFC East over-rated? I think not.

ST. Louis 34

Dallas 14

NFC East over rated? Simply Hilarious!

Why do you make such comments about something that can be so easily checked? This isn't a matter of opinion, results of games can be easily checked. I am sure one of your friends can help you do it.

Just so you are aware, through the first 7 weeks of the season, the NFC East is 13 - 4 against the rest of the NFL.

Ah Hah! I got a rise out of ya! One of the greatest pleasures of being a sports fan is to razz the guys who support your arch enemies. All in fun...no offense intended.

[patsfangr]

It sounds like Cassel had a great game against the Broncos. Good coaching always finds a way.

I wish it were true that Cassel had a great game, OMR; but it isn't. He was still Matt Cassel. He still has no clue when things get a little hectic in the pocket. He still can't buy enough time to find targets downfield. He still finds a secondary receiver on only rare occassions. Nothing really new in that game with respect to his individual abilities.

What changed was that the Denver DL was totally outmanned by the Patriots OL; especially the left side of our OL, with OLT Matt Light, and 'road grader' LG, Logan Mankins clearing the way for a very powerful and determined Sammy Morris in the first half. Good blocks were also provided by TEs Ben Watson and David Thomas; and by the WRs, Randy Moss and Wes Welker; depending upon the particular play.

That running attack really did prove the old adage that "the running game sets up the passing game". Cassel had much more opportunity to slide in passes among the runs. But he still was able to have success only with the short to medium passing game.

Overall, the game was won by the Patriots defense. They forced two early fumbles by the Broncos, both of which Cassel could only convert into FGs. But when they finally scored a TD, and went up 13-0, the Broncos had to start to slide away from what had been a very successful running game. They went to the pass, with a QB (Cutler) who had badly banged up the index finger on his throwing hand, and just didn't have his usual zip or accuracy.

So, the objective fact is that the 41-7 score was very misleading. A total of 5 turnovers, and an injured QB, severely limited the Broncos offense. A light and overmatched DL prevented their defense from shutting down the Patriots running game, and forcing the game into Cassel's hands.

I naturally applaud the fact that the Patriots played hard and well throughout the game. They very definitely earned the win! But the details of the game didn't fill me with confidence that they have "overcome the loss of Tom Brady". They will still struggle against any team that can limit their running game. They will still need outstanding overachievment from thier defense, which is now without Rodney Harrison for the rest of the season. There is still a long, hard road ahead for my team this season.

At least your Cowboys will get Romo back in 2-3 weeks, and things will get back to normal. I expect that they'll still be very much in the race for the NFC East title when that happens. As I said before, it will be fun to watch Romo working with the combination of Owens, Williams, and Witten in the downfield passing game. I just hope they keep the camera off of Jerry Jones. I don't want to put my TV screen in harm's way! :-)

[Old Man River]

At least your Cowboys will get Romo back in 2-3 weeks, and things will get back to normal. I expect that they'll still be very much in the race for the NFC East title when that happens. As I said before, it will be fun to watch Romo working with the combination of Owens, Williams, and Witten in the downfield passing game. I just hope they keep the camera off of Jerry Jones. I don't want to put my TV screen in harm's way! :-)

On Profootballtalk.com they had an article about how Jerry Jones has outsmarted himself. While reading it I thought to myself that this sounds like it was written by Patsfangr. Read it. I am sure you will love it.

[Old Man River]

Granted we're only 4 games into the season but I suspect that the highly touted NFC East has been grossly over rated.

That is a hilarious comment. Simply hilarious. Are you even aware that the the 4 NFC East teams in the aggregate this year are 8-1 against teams outside of the NFC East?. The only loss was the Eagles 4 point loss to da Bears today (another NFC team), after they humiliated the AFC's Steelers last week. NFC East over-rated? I think not.

ST. Louis 34

Dallas 14

NFC East over rated? Simply Hilarious!

Why do you make such comments about something that can be so easily checked? This isn't a matter of opinion, results of games can be easily checked. I am sure one of your friends can help you do it.

Just so you are aware, through the first 7 weeks of the season, the NFC East is 13 - 4 against the rest of the NFL.

Ah Hah! I got a rise out of ya! One of the greatest pleasures of being a sports fan is to razz the guys who support your arch enemies. All in fun...no offense intended.

OK. You succeeded in getting the rise. All in fun.

While a whole lot more was expected from the Cowboys (by me, for one), the Eagles, Giants and Redskins are still tough to beat. At least for now. Injuries to starting QB's have a way of changing a teams fortune quickly and injuries are a big part of this game.

[Groongthep]

OK. You succeeded in getting the rise. All in fun.

While a whole lot more was expected from the Cowboys (by me, for one), the Eagles, Giants and Redskins are still tough to beat. At least for now. Injuries to starting QB's have a way of changing a teams fortune quickly and injuries are a big part of this game.

This is true, while everyone knew that Romo was a key factor in the Cowboy's ability to win I think it surpised a lot of people just how big of a factor he was now that he's out. He'll be back in not too long though and provided he stays healthy the Cowboys (as much as I hate to admit it) will probably still remain the odds on favorites to win the NFC title despite the disasters of the last two weeks. I must also begrudgingly admit that the Eagles, Giants and Redskins are indeed tough but I'm still not ready to concede that they are that much better than some other NFC teams that I think will end up being much better than most expected. I believe that the Bears and the Cardinals will end up being much better than anyone gave them credit for. The Buccaneers already look much tougher than most expected as well. In the AFC I look for Tennessee to keep right on winning but for Buffalo's early success to soon fade into mediocrity. I don't think New England can repeat their past success without a healthy Brady and appear to be a team on the way down. The entire AFC west is pretty sorry as is the NFC west with the possible exception of Arizona. All in all I'm thinking there is more parity in the entire league than what most people thought there was before the season started and I beleive that whatever team you may support that this year will be a competitive one with a lot of upsets and surprises. It's gonna be a good year for football. I must, of course, continue to root against your Cowboys every inch of the way. You see, where I grew up there were only 2 kinds of people--Chicago Bears fans and.....Well, I best not use such language for fear of being banned.

Edited October 23, 2008 by Groongthep

[patsfangr]

OK. You succeeded in getting the rise. All in fun.

While a whole lot more was expected from the Cowboys (by me, for one), the Eagles, Giants and Redskins are still tough to beat. At least for now. Injuries to starting QB's have a way of changing a teams fortune quickly and injuries are a big part of this game.

This is true, while everyone knew that Romo was a key factor in the Cowboy's ability to win I think it surpised a lot of people just how big of a factor he was now that he's out. He'll be back in not too long though and provided he stays healthy the Cowboys (as much as I hate to admit it) will probably still remain the odds on favorites to win the NFC title despite the disasters of the last two weeks. I must also begrudgingly admit that the Eagles, Giants and Redskins are indeed tough but I'm still not ready to concede that they are that much better than some other NFC teams that I think will end up being much better than most expected. I believe that the Bears and the Cardinals will end up being much better than anyone gave them credit for. The Buccaneers already look much tougher than most expected as well. In the AFC I look for Tennessee to keep right on winning but for Buffalo's early success to soon fade into mediocrity. I don't think New England can repeat their past success without a healthy Brady and appear to be a team on the way down. The entire AFC west is pretty sorry as is the NFC west with the possible exception of Arizona. All in all I'm thinking there is more parity in the entire league than what most people thought there was before the season started and I beleive that whatever team you may support that this year will be a competitive one with a lot of upsets and surprises. It's gonna be a good year for football. I must, of course, continue to root against your Cowboys every inch of the way. You see, where I grew up there were only 2 kinds of people--Chicago Bears fans and.....Well, I best not use such language for fear of being banned.

Good post, Groongthep. I'm glad to see that you turned off the "smack" long enough let us all know that you're a true, and knowledgeable, NFL fan. The problem with the written word is that it is difficult, if not impossible, to read the attitude behind the words. Face to face, I love good natured smack! But, until the writer is well known to the reader(s), it can become a nasty pissing contest. Now that we know the "real" Groongthep, you can take all the shots you want. Just add a 'smiley' or a 'wink', and we'll know where you're coming from.

As for your evaluations, I think you left out a couple more teams that may surprise a lot of people in the second half. They're both in that "sorry" NFC West. The Rams have clearly come alive for their new coach; and I expect Mike Singletary to light a fire under the 49ers as well. Both teams have a superstar RB to take the pressure off of their QB. The Rams also have solid weapons in their passing game, as long as Bulger stays healthy. Holt it still a dangerous receiver, and it appears that the rookie, Avery, may be catching on. I sure don't take them lightly as they head into Foxboro to take on my Patriots this weekend!

The 49ers may have a QB who has reached a level of maturity that can put him at least into the "average to above average" category. They're not nearly as solid at WR as the Rams; but they have a ball hawking defense that can turn games in their favor.

I also think you're jumping the gun on your comment that the Patriots "appear to be a team on the way down." (Surprise!) ;-) I don't expect a 4th Lombardi Trophy this year (although it's not totally out of the question); but, when Brady returns, they'll still be a major threat to take it all. Belichick and Pioli have done a great job in replacing aging players. That effort will continue next year. Rodney Harrison may be done; and Tedy Bruschi is right on the edge. But the infusion of youth at LB, with Jarod Mayo, Crable, and Guyton, is ready to step up. The unmatched 3-man DL of Seymour, Wilfork, and Warren, will likely be kept together; and they set the tone for everything on the defense. The OL is also solid, with C Koppen, and left side of LG Mankins and OLT Light. The right side needs work, but, overall, it's among the best OLs in the league. Moss can't have too many years left; but betting it's at least a couple more. And Welker is still young. Then there's that coaching factor. The guy at the top is pretty good! :-)

Just one closing comment on your post, OMR. The one thing about the NFL that I'd change, if I had a magic wand, would be to eliminate injuries. There are certainly some players in the league that I don't respect; but I wouldn't wish an injury on any player, if for no other reason than the fact that it detracts from the "fair competition" within the league. I always hope that injuries are kept to a minimum every season. I want to see the best players match up against the best players. That's what makes it a great game! (Of course, I wouldn't mind seeing Jerry Jones and Al Davis get blind sided!) :-)

[lomatopo]

I also think you're jumping the gun on your comment that the Patriots "appear to be a team on the way down." (Surprise!) ;-) I don't expect a 4th Lombardi Trophy this year (although it's not totally out of the question); but, when Brady returns,

I might change that to "...if Brady returns,..."

On the Tom Brady front it appears as though his situation as taken a significant turn for the worse, with multiple sugeries required to control a septic infection likely caused by the initial graft. They may have to re-do the initial surgery. While this type of infection is rare it can lead to major problems a la Reggie Williams who had a similar infection and is hoping to keep his leg, and even prevent him from being pain-free or having full-motion. I just hope he has a full recovery and normal use of his knee.

Note that the the U.S. reverts to Standard Time this weekend so games now start at 01:00 and ~ 04:05, and Tuseday at 08:30, locally.