Red Shirts Disappointed With Thai Democrat Verdict

[termad]

Is it really necessary to put "PRO-THAKSIN GROUPS" in the sub-title and then in red on the OP? It's a bit obvious, isn't it?

Not all reds are pro-Thaksin

Can we put this statement to bed once and for all - Thaksin is the puppet master of the red shirts - he funds them- organises them and feeds Juthaporn with his next move. The PTP have NO poliocies whatsoever except to bring back Shinawatra!! they have repeated and admitted this themselves on numerous occasions. Therefore a vote for the PTP or support for their terrorist right arm the red shirts is AUTOMATICALLY a vote for the deposed criminal ex prime minister - a great result yesterday!! best for ALL of Thailand!!

Not all Nazis supported Hitler - but they were still nazis!!

Could you not also say that a vote for Abhisit/Newin is a vote for the Military, the Bangkok Business Elite and the Amataya.

[termad]

'disappointment' is probably and understatement! but it was only one judge that decided it - it would have been 3-3 otherwise - it is not a resounding verdict by any means and is only on a point of law - it doesn't mean they are 'clean'.

That's right ... it only means that the "prosecution" was dirty !

In all Justice processes, everybody has to follow the rules * ... not the "rule of the mob".

(*) I agree that assassination is an easier way to deal with one's ennemies -drug-dealers or not !

"In all Justice processes, everybody has to follow the rules."

I find it incredible that somebody living in Thailand could make such a statement!

[phiphidon]

Is it really necessary to put "PRO-THAKSIN GROUPS" in the sub-title and then in red on the OP? It's a bit obvious, isn't it?

Not all reds are pro-Thaksin

Can we put this statement to bed once and for all - Thaksin is the puppet master of the red shirts - he funds them- organises them and feeds Juthaporn with his next move. The PTP have NO poliocies whatsoever except to bring back Shinawatra!! they have repeated and admitted this themselves on numerous occasions. Therefore a vote for the PTP or support for their terrorist right arm the red shirts is AUTOMATICALLY a vote for the deposed criminal ex prime minister - a great result yesterday!! best for ALL of Thailand!!

Not all Nazis supported Hitler - but they were still nazis!!

Could you not also say that a vote for Abhisit/Newin is a vote for the Military, the Bangkok Business Elite and the Amataya.

Well you could say that, but be prepared for the onslaught of the righteous

[Jingthing]

Post withdrawn.

Edited November 30, 2010 by Jingthing

[rubl]

Is it really necessary to put "PRO-THAKSIN GROUPS" in the sub-title and then in red on the OP? It's a bit obvious, isn't it?

Not all reds are pro-Thaksin

Can we put this statement to bed once and for all - Thaksin is the puppet master of the red shirts - he funds them- organises them and feeds Juthaporn with his next move. The PTP have NO poliocies whatsoever except to bring back Shinawatra!! they have repeated and admitted this themselves on numerous occasions. Therefore a vote for the PTP or support for their terrorist right arm the red shirts is AUTOMATICALLY a vote for the deposed criminal ex prime minister - a great result yesterday!! best for ALL of Thailand!!

Not all Nazis supported Hitler - but they were still nazis!!

Could you not also say that a vote for Abhisit/Newin is a vote for the Military, the Bangkok Business Elite and the Amataya.

As you may have noticed on this forum you may say many things. No need to prove, suggesting is sufficient for some

Edited November 30, 2010 by rubl

[termad]

'disappointment' is probably and understatement! but it was only one judge that decided it - it would have been 3-3 otherwise - it is not a resounding verdict by any means and is only on a point of law - it doesn't mean they are 'clean'.

I do not think there is 1 politician on this planet who is "clean" but at least Dems and current government seem to be doing something positive for the people rather then using people for personal gains.

As the legal saying goes,some breaking of the rules/laws is for the greater benefit of society.

What is Abhisit doing about the Ministers in his Government who have been accused of corruption/personal gain. Who do you include in your "greater benefit of society" statement? Is it just the people who have had the greatest benefit from the Thai society for the last few hundred years or so?

[chuang]

I'm very very disappointed by the whole process, from EC to the roo court, such a waste on our tax. Here inconsistence flourishes. where laws are mere tools of choice to keep opponents under their feet.

Survival is to be submissive to elites, officials, criminals, and politicians. Join the band, kick people asses around, or revolt.

The EC must be in cohorts with the government, wonder how much money they received...

[rubl]

I'm very very disappointed by the whole process, from EC to the roo court, such a waste on our tax. Here inconsistence flourishes. where laws are mere tools of choice to keep opponents under their feet.

Survival is to be submissive to elites, officials, criminals, and politicians. Join the band, kick people asses around, or revolt.

The EC must be in cohorts with the government, wonder how much money they received...

How much do you get paid to make these type of remarks ? Same as last time ?

[animatic]

It appears that some sort of 'red event' is pre-planned in the event of acquittal. Typically signified by a strong uptick in propaganda/disinformation here and other forums. It appears that this is getting into gear now, and maybe particularly in light of Jatuporns impending and probable exit from 24/7 access to reporters at will. No doubt there are many who, for their own personal biases, are motivated to speak now, but it also appears that the disinformation, rather than purely opinions, is ramping up significantly. So be careful out there folks, things may be ready to pop again this week. A bad feeling that this has all been seen before.

[gemini81]

Is it really necessary to put "PRO-THAKSIN GROUPS" in the sub-title and then in red on the OP? It's a bit obvious, isn't it?

Not all reds are pro-Thaksin

thats like saying not all farmers are farmers, not all bar girls are bar girls.

Of course they're pro Thaksin and thats what they stand for and who they're sponsered by.

Edited November 30, 2010 by metisdead
Insult removed.

[ChiangMaiFun]

Is it really necessary to put "PRO-THAKSIN GROUPS" in the sub-title and then in red on the OP? It's a bit obvious, isn't it?

Not all reds are pro-Thaksin

thats like saying not all farmers are farmers, not all bar girls are bar girls.

Of course they're pro Thaksin and thats what they stand for and who they're sponsered by.

Using Thai insults against fellow posters is against TV Rules - rude and insulting - attack my arguement but not me

Edited November 30, 2010 by metisdead
Insult removed.

[gregb]

Is it really necessary to put "PRO-THAKSIN GROUPS" in the sub-title and then in red on the OP? It's a bit obvious, isn't it?

Not all reds are pro-Thaksin

Can we put this statement to bed once and for all - Thaksin is the puppet master of the red shirts - he funds them- organises them and feeds Juthaporn with his next move. The PTP have NO poliocies whatsoever except to bring back Shinawatra!! they have repeated and admitted this themselves on numerous occasions. Therefore a vote for the PTP or support for their terrorist right arm the red shirts is AUTOMATICALLY a vote for the deposed criminal ex prime minister - a great result yesterday!! best for ALL of Thailand!!

Not all Nazis supported Hitler - but they were still nazis!!

Could you not also say that a vote for Abhisit/Newin is a vote for the Military, the Bangkok Business Elite and the Amataya.

Probably could make a valid argument for that (fair is fair, after all), but what is your point?

First you have to define the "Amataya". Is Thaksin an "Amataya?" I would say he is. So all groups support their own "Amataya". So let's throw that out. It's a distinction without a difference. Same with the Bangkok Business Elite. This is an ill defined "snarl" term defined to do nothing more than evoke emotion. Please define Bangkok Business Elite using specific organizations and we'll talk further. There is a large list of elite Bangkok businessmen who are pro Thaksin.

About the only real comment you can make is that support for the Dems means support for the military and the coup that ousted Thaksin. And yes, I think it is fair to say most people who support the Democrats would sign their name to supporting the military to this point. The military, watermelon soldiers excluded, have actually done a pretty good job of keeping the country together during exceedingly difficult times.

I can be proud to say I tentatively support the military. If they get out of line, I will withdraw my support, and I believe so will Abhisit.

Can you say that you are proud to support a convicted fugitive billionaire?

[rubl]

Not all reds are pro-Thaksin

Can we put this statement to bed once and for all - Thaksin is the puppet master of the red shirts - he funds them- organises them and feeds Juthaporn with his next move. The PTP have NO poliocies whatsoever except to bring back Shinawatra!! they have repeated and admitted this themselves on numerous occasions. Therefore a vote for the PTP or support for their terrorist right arm the red shirts is AUTOMATICALLY a vote for the deposed criminal ex prime minister - a great result yesterday!! best for ALL of Thailand!!

Not all Nazis supported Hitler - but they were still nazis!!

Could you not also say that a vote for Abhisit/Newin is a vote for the Military, the Bangkok Business Elite and the Amataya.

Probably could make a valid argument for that (fair is fair, after all), but what is your point?

First you have to define the "Amataya". Is Thaksin an "Amataya?" I would say he is. So all groups support their own "Amataya". So let's throw that out. It's a distinction without a difference. Same with the Bangkok Business Elite. This is an ill defined "snarl" term defined to do nothing more than evoke emotion. Please define Bangkok Business Elite using specific organizations and we'll talk further. There is a large list of elite Bangkok businessmen who are pro Thaksin.

About the only real comment you can make is that support for the Dems means support for the military and the coup that ousted Thaksin. And yes, I think it is fair to say most people who support the Democrats would sign their name to supporting the military to this point. The military, watermelon soldiers excluded, have actually done a pretty good job of keeping the country together during exceedingly difficult times.

I can be proud to say I tentatively support the military. If they get out of line, I will withdraw my support, and I believe so will Abhisit.

Can you say that you are proud to support a convicted fugitive billionaire?

I like to quote our dear member philw here, I think it fits nicely and how I feel:

Thank you.

Well said.

[SergeiY]

Is it really necessary to put "PRO-THAKSIN GROUPS" in the sub-title and then in red on the OP? It's a bit obvious, isn't it?

Its The Nation style. They often put that Pro-Thaksin labeling somewhere in the headline.

[Roadman]

"About the only real comment you can make is that support for the Dems means support for the military and the coup that ousted Thaksin. And yes, I think it is fair to say most people who support the Democrats would sign their name to supporting the military to this point. The military, watermelon soldiers excluded, have actually done a pretty good job of keeping the country together during exceedingly difficult times.

I can be proud to say I tentatively support the military. If they get out of line, I will withdraw my support, and I believe so will Abhisit."

Apologies for taking the above paragraphs out of your statement but fully agree. I also believe that is the call Abhisit would make, but I don't think he needs to. The current Army leadership seems to want the same as what Abhisit seeks.

[ChiangMaiFun]

Probably could make a valid argument for that (fair is fair, after all), but what is your point?

First you have to define the "Amataya". Is Thaksin an "Amataya?" I would say he is. So all groups support their own "Amataya". So let's throw that out. It's a distinction without a difference. Same with the Bangkok Business Elite. This is an ill defined "snarl" term defined to do nothing more than evoke emotion. Please define Bangkok Business Elite using specific organizations and we'll talk further. There is a large list of elite Bangkok businessmen who are pro Thaksin.

About the only real comment you can make is that support for the Dems means support for the military and the coup that ousted Thaksin. And yes, I think it is fair to say most people who support the Democrats would sign their name to supporting the military to this point. The military, watermelon soldiers excluded, have actually done a pretty good job of keeping the country together during exceedingly difficult times.

I can be proud to say I tentatively support the military. If they get out of line, I will withdraw my support, and I believe so will Abhisit.

Can you say that you are proud to support a convicted fugitive billionaire?

'i believe so will Abhisit' you're joking right? they run the country - wake up!

[jayboy]

I can be proud to say I tentatively support the military. If they get out of line, I will withdraw my support, and I believe so will Abhisit.

That's a new and bizarre comment.Most people who have a clue about Thai politics would say it's a question of when the military withdraws support from Abhisit, not the other way round.

Actually I think Abhisit is doing a reasonably adept job in managing the relationship but your comment suggests you don't understand the dynamics.

[jdinasia]

Is it really necessary to put "PRO-THAKSIN GROUPS" in the sub-title and then in red on the OP? It's a bit obvious, isn't it?

Not all reds are pro-Thaksin

thats like saying not all farmers are farmers, not all bar girls are bar girls.

Of course they're pro Thaksin and thats what they stand for and who they're sponsered by.

Using Thai insults against fellow posters is against TV Rules - rude and insulting - attack my arguement but not me

[ChiangMaiFun]

thats like saying not all farmers are farmers, not all bar girls are bar girls.

Of course they're pro Thaksin and thats what they stand for and who they're sponsered by.

Using Thai insults against fellow posters is against TV Rules - rude and insulting - attack my arguement but not me

The insult has been removed - I assume by the Mods:

This post has been edited by metisdead: 44 minutes ago

Reason for edit: Insult removed.

Edited November 30, 2010 by ChiangMaiFun

[jdinasia]

The insult has been removed - I assume by the Mods:

This post has been edited by metisdead: 44 minutes ago

Reason for edit: Insult removed.

Correct -- my smiley was for you trying to get someone in trouble. Something you accuse ME of doing There isn't an emoticon for irony

[ChiangMaiFun]

The insult has been removed - I assume by the Mods:

This post has been edited by metisdead: 44 minutes ago

Reason for edit: Insult removed.

Correct -- my smiley was for you trying to get someone in trouble. Something you accuse ME of doing There isn't an emoticon for irony

Difference - this guy publically insulted me and there's no need for it

You, on the other hand, try and get people banned for having the audacity to critisise the law - which in your own country you are free to do of course with impunity!

[jdinasia]

The insult has been removed - I assume by the Mods:

This post has been edited by metisdead: 44 minutes ago

Reason for edit: Insult removed.

Correct -- my smiley was for you trying to get someone in trouble. Something you accuse ME of doing There isn't an emoticon for irony

Difference - this guy publically insulted me and there's no need for it

You, on the other hand, try and get people banned for having the audacity to critisise the law - which in your own country you are free to do of course with impunity!

This is Thailand and you can talk about the laws all you want. I don't "try to get people banned", I point out when people appear to be impugning the courts on occasion. I am only responsible for what I write. Other people are responsible for what they write. That is the adult and reasonable way to see things in a public forum. There are, however, things that as a member of TVF that you agree NOT to do because many of us are in Thailand and it could affect the availability of TVF to be accessed from Thailand. (the person you were holding up earlier as a critic of mine is one of the worst abusers of insulting other posters and not talking to the content of the posts. I point that out because ad hominem attacks are a basic form of fallacious debate. If I call you stupid instead of addressing what you say ..... ((or imply you are a visa-runner, or a teacher, or or or or .... )))

Back to the topic ----

The LAW states (see I am talking about the law!) that the EC has a deadline under which they must operate when filing complaints against political parties. They failed to do so. In fact, they only filed AFTER they were threatened by the reds (you know --- the people with a history of extreme violence!)

I would still like to know the reasons for the 2 dissenting votes.

[whybother]

Opposition Puea Thai issues statement urging people dissatisfied with Court ruling on Democrat's disbandment case to stay calm; defiant activities could be used as excuse for coup /MCOT

I don't understand why there would be a coup just because there are protests. While the government is stable, and while they seem to have the support of a majority of the people ... and, particularly, are getting along with the army, WHY would there be a coup?

[jdinasia]

Opposition Puea Thai issues statement urging people dissatisfied with Court ruling on Democrat's disbandment case to stay calm; defiant activities could be used as excuse for coup /MCOT

I don't understand why there would be a coup just because there are protests. While the government is stable, and while they seem to have the support of a majority of the people ... and, particularly, are getting along with the army, WHY would there be a coup?

There wouldn't. The threat of a coup is just an attempt by PTP folks to shift some attention and rile some people up!

[rubl]

Opposition Puea Thai issues statement urging people dissatisfied with Court ruling on Democrat's disbandment case to stay calm; defiant activities could be used as excuse for coup /MCOT

I don't understand why there would be a coup just because there are protests. While the government is stable, and while they seem to have the support of a majority of the people ... and, particularly, are getting along with the army, WHY would there be a coup?

There wouldn't. The threat of a coup is just an attempt by PTP folks to shift some attention and rile some people up!

I say nothing, I'm just waiting for Robert A's vision on this

[whybother]

Opposition Puea Thai issues statement urging people dissatisfied with Court ruling on Democrat's disbandment case to stay calm; defiant activities could be used as excuse for coup /MCOT

I don't understand why there would be a coup just because there are protests. While the government is stable, and while they seem to have the support of a majority of the people ... and, particularly, are getting along with the army, WHY would there be a coup?

There wouldn't. The threat of a coup is just an attempt by PTP folks to shift some attention and rile some people up!

I say nothing, I'm just waiting for Robert A's vision on this

Where has he been? He mustn't be on retainer any more.

[phiphidon]

Probably could make a valid argument for that (fair is fair, after all), but what is your point?

First you have to define the "Amataya". Is Thaksin an "Amataya?" I would say he is. So all groups support their own "Amataya". So let's throw that out. It's a distinction without a difference. Same with the Bangkok Business Elite. This is an ill defined "snarl" term defined to do nothing more than evoke emotion. Please define Bangkok Business Elite using specific organizations and we'll talk further. There is a large list of elite Bangkok businessmen who are pro Thaksin.

About the only real comment you can make is that support for the Dems means support for the military and the coup that ousted Thaksin. And yes, I think it is fair to say most people who support the Democrats would sign their name to supporting the military to this point. The military, watermelon soldiers excluded, have actually done a pretty good job of keeping the country together during exceedingly difficult times.

I can be proud to say I tentatively support the military. If they get out of line, I will withdraw my support, and I believe so will Abhisit.

Can you say that you are proud to support a convicted fugitive billionaire?

I like to quote our dear member philw here, I think it fits nicely and how I feel:

Thank you.

Well said.

So how far does the military have to go before they're "out of line"?

[JRCIII]

Of course it was a disappointing result, the dems got away with a technicality.

Abhisit's men have proclaimed elections for early next year so what the reds should be doing now is starting a good pre election campaign and hopefully find a new charismatic leader who could lead them to what they want. Use the "democratic" process to their advantage if they think they can.

why. the Yellow shirts and Bangkok rich will simply have a coup when the red-shirts win another election. Taskin would win in a landslide and they know it so they keep delaying so they can insert as many pro-Yellow shirt Judges into office and the bureaucracy so they can hinder his return.

[jdinasia]

Of course it was a disappointing result, the dems got away with a technicality.

Abhisit's men have proclaimed elections for early next year so what the reds should be doing now is starting a good pre election campaign and hopefully find a new charismatic leader who could lead them to what they want. Use the "democratic" process to their advantage if they think they can.

why. the Yellow shirts and Bangkok rich will simply have a coup when the red-shirts win another election. Taskin would win in a landslide and they know it so they keep delaying so they can insert as many pro-Yellow shirt Judges into office and the bureaucracy so they can hinder his return.

The results of the 2007 elections (when Newin's faction was still part of PPP etc.) suggest that your view of what the next elections may hold for Thailand is simply skewed. Remember those elections were before the reds turned from merely violent to extremely violent. There is also the little matter of Thaksin's conviction and 2 year prison sentence

[whybother]

So how far does the military have to go before they're "out of line"?

A coup now would be out of line.