Phuket Swedish Murder Duo Likely To Serve Sentence In Sweden

[Gandalf8353]

the internet is a funny place. a bunch of people that have no clue what they are talking about...talking about issues. Just wondering how many people here have been to thai jail...or been to jail at all?

Indeed. Anyone who has ever been to a jail in a major city in the U.S. wouldn't be calling it a country club. The only country clubs are low security Federal facilities or camps like the one where Martha Stewart did her time. My best friend did ten years in a U.S. prison. A place where most people wouldn't want their dog to be. Not as bad as a Thai jail or prison, but sure as hell not a country club. No free TV except one that is shared by 300 people. Want to get stabbed for arguing over which channel to watch? Spend time in some of the US prisons. It's no cakewalk.

Want something more than just 3 hots and a cot? Hopefully there is someone outside who sends money in so you can buy from the canteen.

Don't get caught driving drunk. Four days in the drunk tank with 17 other people and one toilet stuffed into a space smaller than a small bedroom is no cakewalk. He saw people getting stabbed over a postage stamp. Doesn't sound like easy time to me.

Edited August 16, 2011 by Gandalf8353

[MichaelShort]

No, No, no!

We don't want them back in Sweden and pay for the "hotel-prison" we have here!

Let them sit 15 years in Thailand first, then we can think about it...

[marioDC]

There are many examples of people whom have addapted pretty well in Thai prison(s). It just depends on how you absorb the different way of life inside those fences.

The artical stated they would have to serve 8 years in a Thai jail before they have the option to serve out the remainder in a Swedish Luxury 4 Star establishment. Lots of people would not last 8 years in a Thai jail but they both look like tough Vikings.

[chooka]

Swedish sentence lol, they'll get like 3 years in a hotelroom-like cell. Comfy, good food (the food in swedish prisons is better than the food in swedish public schools...) and private TV.

I agree bloody disgusting. They did the crime in Thailand and should serve whatever Thailand throws at them in the BKK Hilton. If Sweden is like Australia then it will be be a couple of weeks in a 5 star luxury hotel and then out with good behaviour. Life is so bloody cheap these days and people literally get away with murder

[Atmos]

^ it is nothing new - since 1989

Transfer of penalties to and from Thailand

Since 1989, Sweden has had a bilateral agreement with Thailand on cooperation in the enforcement of penal sentences.

This agreement differs in certain respects from the 1983 Convention on Transfer of Sentenced Persons. Among other things, only citizens of Sweden and Thailand can be transferred, not foreign citizens habitually resident in Sweden.

In addition, a transfer to Sweden cannot occur before the convicted person has served a certain minimum part of the prison term in accordance with Thai legislation; at least four years or a third of the total prison sentence.

For a person sentenced to life imprisonment for drugs offences, however, at least eight years of the prison sentence must have been enforced in a prison in Thailand before the Thai authorities can consider the possibility of a transfer.

In 2003 a change to the original agreement was agreed upon. The change implies that the executing State can adjust the sentence to the conditions of its own country. However, the sentencing State must accept this adjustment before the person can be transferred.

source

Edited August 16, 2011 by Atmos

[Atmos]

and not limited to Sweden

Thailand Department of Corrections

Q. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR A PERSON CONVICTED OF A CRIME IN ONE COUNTRY TO BE TRANSFERRED TO HIS/HER HOME COUNTRY WHERE HE/SHE WILL SERVE THE REMAINDER OF HIS/HER SENTENCE?

A. Yes. Under the Legislation Procedure for Cooperation between States in the Execution of Penal Sentences Act B.E. 2527 foreign nationals convicted of a crime in Thailand, and Thai citizens or nationals convicted of a crime in a foreign country, may apply for a prisoner transfer to their home country if a treaty providing for such transfer is in force between Thailand and the foreign country involved.

Nowadays, Thailand has 24 bilateral prisoner transfer treaties in force in

France

Spain

Canada

The Republic of Italy

United States of America

Sweden

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

The Republic of Finland

The Federal Republic of Germany

The Republic of Portugal

The Republic of Austria

Israel

The Republic of Poland

Denmark

Hong Kong S.A.R.

Switzerland

Norway

The Republic of Philippine

The Republic of Estonia

Czech Republic

Australia

The Federal Republic of Nigeria

Netherlands

The Republic of Mali. Countries that treaties are in negotiation process are:

the Socialist Republic of Vietnam

the People Republic of China

Belgium

Cambodia .

source

Edited August 16, 2011 by Atmos

[moe666]

I am fascinated by your view of America's prison system. Tough by Swedish standards, but an average Hilton Hotel basic room is tough by that standard.

The thing that disturbs me about the forum is the notion that Thailand is unique in the fact that the more money you have, the better off you are. That . Is . Not . Unique.

In the USA, if you are Black, Hispanic, Poor to middle class (usually goes with the others) you will be indicted, convicted, sentenced and serve your time. if you are White, Wealthy (or both) you go by a different standard.

Newsflash..You can bribe cops in the US. You can hire lawyers who "magically' make your case vanish, you can live nicely in country club prisons and get out on your first parole review.

This is all rich talk from "Blokes" (is that correct?) whose country is smoldering.... Really funny...

Apologies to the person who posted this..that rant is not for you...just wanted to say that as an American...it is not the way you think it is.

Out over crowded prisons are a national disgrace...not something to be applauded. You see, in America...we carry guns... It is like wearing a gasoline suit to a BBQ.

Swedish prison 2011.

Sodertalje, about 50 miles south of Stockholm, is a maximum security facility housing Sweden's most violent offenders. An intense debate concerning the prison system here was set off in August of 2004 when Tommy Olson, a convicted cop-killer and several accomplices staged a dramatic break-out from Hall Prison with the help of guns and cell-phones they had gotten from corrupt prison staff. They were re-captured just days later after a nationwide manhunt. Now Swedes must decide the future of their prisons, whether they will follow the American model of tough punishment or maintain an approach designed to maintain the humanity of even the most hardened prisoner. For now, practical measures such as x-ray screening and background checks of staff members, have been adopted. Construction of a high-security prison wing is under consideration. ///One of two "apartments" at Hall Prison where inmates can receive family or friends. The apartment includes an adjoining bedroom for conjugal visits.

Richard you have been in bangkok to long, you may want to have another look at you post. I think being white doesn't have anything to do with it especially if you are poor white. Being poor white puts you on the same level of justice as blacks and hispanic. As we all know from the OJ fiasco being black and wealthy helps as well and add Michael Jackson to that as well bought himself out of a couple of molestation charges.

[MTH]

^ it is nothing new - since 1989

Transfer of penalties to and from Thailand

Since 1989, Sweden has had a bilateral agreement with Thailand on cooperation in the enforcement of penal sentences.

This agreement differs in certain respects from the 1983 Convention on Transfer of Sentenced Persons. Among other things, only citizens of Sweden and Thailand can be transferred, not foreign citizens habitually resident in Sweden.

In addition, a transfer to Sweden cannot occur before the convicted person has served a certain minimum part of the prison term in accordance with Thai legislation; at least four years or a third of the total prison sentence.

For a person sentenced to life imprisonment for drugs offences, however, at least eight years of the prison sentence must have been enforced in a prison in Thailand before the Thai authorities can consider the possibility of a transfer.

In 2003 a change to the original agreement was agreed upon. The change implies that the executing State can adjust the sentence to the conditions of its own country. However, the sentencing State must accept this adjustment before the person can be transferred.

source

I think this has been stated in post #28 already

[nurofiend]

In the USA, if you are Black, Hispanic, Poor to middle class (usually goes with the others) you will be indicted, convicted, sentenced and serve your time. if you are White, Wealthy (or both) you go by a different standard.

Absolute BS, your saying if your white you go by a different standard? you won't be indicted, convicted, sentenced and serve your time?

what a joke of a comment

[ableguy]

Ms Karolina, who wrote a book about her ordeal, was sentenced to serve 45 years in a Thai prison in 1994 before being transferred to Sweden after serving four years in Thailand "under an agreement she would serve the full sentence," the report said.

She was released from Swedish prison in 2006 after serving a total of 12 years behind bars as the maximum Swedish sentence for heroin smuggling is 14 years, which is usually reduced, the newspaper reported.

So why should the Thai side honor the agreement and transfer anyone if the agreed term of incarceration is not followed?

because they save money.

[plumeria]

Time in a Scandanavian jail or prison would be considered the good life by most of the world's population.

They should be in a Thai prison if convicted. That would be justice.

[jackdawson]

re: swedish prisons , do they serve meatballs and stroganov ; that stuff's good !

[InseeDaeng]

Sweden is a bit more equal. You`ll get your time and serve it in a suit, wheter your'e wealthy or not ( some politicians + high ranking cops might get away ). In Thailand as well as Bolivia or many other places you can get a shithole ( if u have no money ) a nice suit ( if have enough money ) and get free ( if u have BIG box or connections )!!

[Pedzie]

Swedish prison 2011.

Seriously? How is that punishment