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Its just a stunt to make you believe the USA is good and IRAN is bad.

Killing their own people to keep power and making nuclear weapons when they have signed treaties not to, kind of gives Iran away on the bad thing.

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Its just a stunt to make you believe the USA is good and IRAN is bad.

Killing their own people to keep power and making nuclear weapons when they have signed treaties not to, kind of gives Iran away on the bad thing.

I am not sure I have ever met anyone that wears such rose tinted spectacles as yourself. You seem to regurgitate these statements with little real thought as to what you say. Yes it is highly likely that Iran kills its own people and engages in false flag operations to make itself look good and others bad. Can you please explain to me why nobody was impeached or served prison time for the US servicemen who were murdered aboard the USS Liberty?

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Its just a stunt to make you believe the USA is good and IRAN is bad.

Killing their own people to keep power and making nuclear weapons when they have signed treaties not to, kind of gives Iran away on the bad thing.

Your too brainwashed for me to even answer. You need to wake up mate. Open your eyes.

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Its just a stunt to make you believe the USA is good and IRAN is bad.

Killing their own people to keep power and making nuclear weapons when they have signed treaties not to, kind of gives Iran away on the bad thing.

Your too brainwashed for me to even answer. You need to wake up mate. Open your eyes.

It's all in the tap water mate ! Only drink bottled water in the USA and even then only the imported stuff ;)

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Get ready for more the more regular flavor of news:

TEHRAN — An Iranian court on Monday convicted an American man of working for the CIA and sentenced him to death, state media reported.

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“Allegations that Mr. Hekmati either worked for, or was sent to Iran by the CIA are simply untrue. The Iranian regime has a history of falsely accusing people of being spies, of eliciting forced confessions, and of holding innocent Americans for political reasons.”

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Although I fail to see how your link/quote is on topic I will ask if this is the same CIA that repeatedly claimed Raymond Davis was not working for them when he killed SIS officers in Pakistan? Claiming he was a diplomat & should receive diplomatic immunity....After which the US did in fact pay blood money top free him...Because he was after all a contractor working with the CIA illegally in Pakistan & not a diplomat.

Yes I have as much faith in the CIA operating in foreign countries telling the truth as I do in most politicians in the US.

The CIA isn't broadcasting the truth?! ohmy.png As an American, I would be worried if the CIA were telling me and everyone else the truth. That's not their purpose. Anybody should worry if their own country's security services are telling everyone else in the world what they are really up to. MI6, FSB, Mossad, etc don't exactly publish newsletters for the public, do they? I don't know where people get the idea that these guys are supposed to be so open to the average citizen. Ridiculous.

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The usa are trying there hardest to kick this war off. This is very very worrying as this could and probably will esculate into WW3.

The USA gov't doesn't have to try hard to start a war with Iran if they want. Just like they don't have to twist the arm of Sweden to "capture" Assange for them. That's all the stuff conspiracy nuts believe. Truth is, the USA doesn't need all that silliness to do whatever they want (and in fact other countries want as well but stay silent and hide behind the US and let them take all the flack).

If there is war with Iran, HOW would that escalate into WWIII? Russia and China don't care enough to side with Iran. The Arabs won't side with Iran. No one will.

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The usa are trying there hardest to kick this war off. This is very very worrying as this could and probably will esculate into WW3.

The USA gov't doesn't have to try hard to start a war with Iran if they want. Just like they don't have to twist the arm of Sweden to "capture" Assange for them. That's all the stuff conspiracy nuts believe. Truth is, the USA doesn't need all that silliness to do whatever they want (and in fact other countries want as well but stay silent and hide behind the US and let them take all the flack).

If there is war with Iran, HOW would that escalate into WWIII? Russia and China don't care enough to side with Iran. The Arabs won't side with Iran. No one will.

But if Russia or China do decide to side with Iran then the US will probably have to go it alone as not many countries will side with the US after it's last round of lies and deception re Iraq.

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Yes I think we have had this discussion before & no need to have it yet again.

In your opinion this Republic America is to allow the CIA a anything goes in our name free to act card....

In mine it is not....That about sums it up & yes I agree ridiculous is a good description.

In your version of a Constitutional Republic are the cops also allowed free reign? After all they protect & serve eh?

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Truth is, the USA doesn't need all that silliness to do whatever they want (and in fact other countries want as well but stay silent and hide behind the US and let them take all the flack).

By flak do you mean hitting themselves with the stupid stick?

Because that is all that has been achieved by all this BS the past decade +

While other countries have prospered on actually producing something we

produce weapons mainly & kill our young in useless skirmishes. Skirmishes that achieved absolutely nothing

except to extinguish thousands of our sons & daughters & hundreds of thousands of others sons & daughters.

Oh & dont forget the golden ring we lost as our economy spins down the drain.....

Yeah bravo

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Brainwashed is not just one way though is it? Pretty much in the eye of the beholder..

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A number of off-topic posts and replies to them have been deleted. There is another thread about the American convicted of spying.

Some posts with deleted quotes were edited.

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The usa are trying there hardest to kick this war off. This is very very worrying as this could and probably will esculate into WW3.

The USA gov't doesn't have to try hard to start a war with Iran if they want. Just like they don't have to twist the arm of Sweden to "capture" Assange for them. That's all the stuff conspiracy nuts believe. Truth is, the USA doesn't need all that silliness to do whatever they want (and in fact other countries want as well but stay silent and hide behind the US and let them take all the flack).

If there is war with Iran, HOW would that escalate into WWIII? Russia and China don't care enough to side with Iran. The Arabs won't side with Iran. No one will.

i really can't believe you are that out of touch with reality rolleyes.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-3xeP7NFRE&feature=player_embedded#!

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But if Russia or China do decide to side with Iran then the US will probably have to go it alone as not many countries will side with the US after it's last round of lies and deception re Iraq.

Sorry, but ALL of those countries said (sorry, "lied & deceived") Saddam had WMDs. The disagreement was whether to go to war or keep playing hide & seek with Saddam over them. Most of NATO joined the Coalition. The ones taking illegal Oil-for-Food kickbacks and personal oil deals from Saddam voted against going to war. Go figure.

Also, 100% guarantee Russia and/or China WILL NOT side with Iran in any war. Iran to them is just a way to annoy the US and keep them off balance. They are not allies. A direct military confrontation would be devastating for both of them. Although, it would allow a big F____ Y__ to China over any debt issues.

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Truth is, the USA doesn't need all that silliness to do whatever they want (and in fact other countries want as well but stay silent and hide behind the US and let them take all the flack).

By flak do you mean hitting themselves with the stupid stick?

Because that is all that has been achieved by all this BS the past decade +

While other countries have prospered on actually producing something we

produce weapons mainly & kill our young in useless skirmishes. Skirmishes that achieved absolutely nothing

except to extinguish thousands of our sons & daughters & hundreds of thousands of others sons & daughters.

Oh & dont forget the golden ring we lost as our economy spins down the drain.....

Yeah bravo

"While other countries have prospered"? Who exactly? Greece? Spain? Italy? China has even been having trouble.

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Also, 100% guarantee Russia and/or China WILL NOT side with Iran in any war. Iran to them is just a way to annoy the US and keep them off balance. They are not allies. A direct military confrontation would be devastating for both of them. Although, it would allow a big F____ Y__ to China over any debt issues.

If North Korea joins in ( nuclear )and attacks the south and Pakistan ( nuclear ) joins in also..... i think debts will be the last

thing to worry about in an underground bunker wacko.png

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But if Russia or China do decide to side with Iran then the US will probably have to go it alone as not many countries will side with the US after it's last round of lies and deception re Iraq.

Sorry, but ALL of those countries said (sorry, "lied & deceived") Saddam had WMDs. The disagreement was whether to go to war or keep playing hide & seek with Saddam over them. Most of NATO joined the Coalition. The ones taking illegal Oil-for-Food kickbacks and personal oil deals from Saddam voted against going to war. Go figure.

Also, 100% guarantee Russia and/or China WILL NOT side with Iran in any war. Iran to them is just a way to annoy the US and keep them off balance. They are not allies. A direct military confrontation would be devastating for both of them. Although, it would allow a big F____ Y__ to China over any debt issues.

Koheesti:

Well said.

Russia and China will make loud noises about siding with the Iranians because of the trade with Russia and the Iranian oil for China but they ain't about to go to war over it. They both now have too much to lose to wager it over Iran.

As far as North Korea is concerned, they are as full of hot air as the Iranians are. The generals know full well if they attack Seoul it will be game over. They are not suicidal. They simply want to get rich and stay that way.

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But if Russia or China do decide to side with Iran then the US will probably have to go it alone as not many countries will side with the US after it's last round of lies and deception re Iraq.

Sorry, but ALL of those countries said (sorry, "lied & deceived") Saddam had WMDs. The disagreement was whether to go to war or keep playing hide & seek with Saddam over them. Most of NATO joined the Coalition. The ones taking illegal Oil-for-Food kickbacks and personal oil deals from Saddam voted against going to war. Go figure.

Also, 100% guarantee Russia and/or China WILL NOT side with Iran in any war. Iran to them is just a way to annoy the US and keep them off balance. They are not allies. A direct military confrontation would be devastating for both of them. Although, it would allow a big F____ Y__ to China over any debt issues.

Koheesti:

Well said.

Russia and China will make loud noises about siding with the Iranians because of the trade with Russia and the Iranian oil for China but they ain't about to go to war over it. They both now have too much to lose to wager it over Iran.

As far as North Korea is concerned, they are as full of hot air as the Iranians are. The generals know full well if they attack Seoul it will be game over. They are not suicidal. They simply want to get rich and stay that way.

Yeah and Pakistan? They have no horse in this race so not even worth mentioning.

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But if Russia or China do decide to side with Iran then the US will probably have to go it alone as not many countries will side with the US after it's last round of lies and deception re Iraq.

Sorry, but ALL of those countries said (sorry, "lied & deceived") Saddam had WMDs. The disagreement was whether to go to war or keep playing hide & seek with Saddam over them. Most of NATO joined the Coalition. The ones taking illegal Oil-for-Food kickbacks and personal oil deals from Saddam voted against going to war. Go figure.

Also, 100% guarantee Russia and/or China WILL NOT side with Iran in any war. Iran to them is just a way to annoy the US and keep them off balance. They are not allies. A direct military confrontation would be devastating for both of them. Although, it would allow a big F____ Y__ to China over any debt issues.

Koheesti:

Well said.

Russia and China will make loud noises about siding with the Iranians because of the trade with Russia and the Iranian oil for China but they ain't about to go to war over it. They both now have too much to lose to wager it over Iran.

As far as North Korea is concerned, they are as full of hot air as the Iranians are. The generals know full well if they attack Seoul it will be game over. They are not suicidal. They simply want to get rich and stay that way.

Yeah and Pakistan? They have no horse in this race so not even worth mentioning.

Maybe the Pakistanis will strap that nuke on a truck and drive it to the war.

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Sorry, but ALL of those countries said (sorry, "lied & deceived") Saddam had WMDs. The disagreement was whether to go to war or keep playing hide & seek with Saddam over them. Most of NATO joined the Coalition. The ones taking illegal Oil-for-Food kickbacks and personal oil deals from Saddam voted against going to war. Go figure.

Also, 100% guarantee Russia and/or China WILL NOT side with Iran in any war. Iran to them is just a way to annoy the US and keep them off balance. They are not allies. A direct military confrontation would be devastating for both of them. Although, it would allow a big F____ Y__ to China over any debt issues.

Koheesti:

Well said.

Russia and China will make loud noises about siding with the Iranians because of the trade with Russia and the Iranian oil for China but they ain't about to go to war over it. They both now have too much to lose to wager it over Iran.

As far as North Korea is concerned, they are as full of hot air as the Iranians are. The generals know full well if they attack Seoul it will be game over. They are not suicidal. They simply want to get rich and stay that way.

Yeah and Pakistan? They have no horse in this race so not even worth mentioning.

Maybe the Pakistanis will strap that nuke on a truck and drive it to the war.

I doubt they'd even be that interested, if they had any interest they'd have already taken a chance, they've had more then their fair chance of opportunities and justification in their mind already if they wanted it.

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In your version of a Constitutional Republic are the cops also allowed free reign? After all they protect & serve eh?

If you think the CIA and the cops are one and the same, then therein lies the problem.

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"While other countries have prospered"? Who exactly? Greece? Spain? Italy? China has even been having trouble.

Funny you chose the PIIGS ( Portugal,Ireland,Italy,Greece,Spain) to compare to ( except China)

No I meant countries that had real incomes/production at some point not the PIIGS

But I said funny you chose those because we now compete with those for the debt race to the bottom

As for China having problems............While their economy may have slowed they in no way are comparable to us.

They are not in debt....When they needed stimulus they paid cash out of their reserves which they have plenty of because

they do not spend trillions on skirmishes that have no positive result.

As dire as our (the USA's) future is looking, I still prefer it to China. Spreadsheets are one thing, real life is another.

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Off-topic posts and replies have been deleted. Although the discussion remains civil, let's stick to the OP here. The economic situation, the rule of law in the US and the CIA vs police are topics best left to other threads. Although these issues play a part in the problems in the situation, please try to incorporate them into the topic of the thread.

Thanks.

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This is becoming ridiculous!

US Military Rescues Iranian Sailors, Again

http://abcnews.go.co...25#.Tw08cqWO1Vd

Your so gullible.

Do you deny this happened? Do you disbelieve this happened? If I choose to believe it why does that make me gullible?

Please expand on your hypothesis of..."your (sic) so gullible?.

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This is becoming ridiculous!

US Military Rescues Iranian Sailors, Again

http://abcnews.go.co...25#.Tw08cqWO1Vd

Your so gullible.

Do you deny this happened? Do you disbelieve this happened? If I choose to believe it why does that make me gullible?

Please expand on your hypothesis of..."your (sic) so gullible?.

Im not denying this happened but knowing the US goverment and there history of creating situations/illusions only to get the backing of there people it most likely is just for show. This probably happens 100 times a year but only now it seems important.

I just mean gullible to believe all the spin.

I mean come on. The guys that control the USA even created the taliban to fight the russians and now the taliban are the enemy but hey i expect you still think the USA gov are still the good guys.

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