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[EmptyBasementBin]

0-60:3.03 seconds

That's fast.

Those Lambos and Ferraris are going to be embarrassed by this lil 200cc-er.

Top Speed: 136 kph

I'm pretty sure the CBR can do that in 4th gear.

Edited July 12, 2012 by EmptyBasementBin

[karlos]

0-60:3.03 seconds

That's fast.

Those Lambos and Ferraris are going to be embarrassed by this lil 200cc-er.

Top Speed: 136 kph

I'm pretty sure the CBR can do that in 4th gear.

I'm sures that's '0-60KMH' not mph

[EmptyBasementBin]

It must be impressive if that's the only time stat they're giving.

Nice looking little bike, but a horrendous price tag and seemingly weak engine compared to what others offer here for far less money (or even little bit more money and you're talking Er-6n power).

[JonnyF]

0-60:3.03 seconds

That's fast.

Those Lambos and Ferraris are going to be embarrassed by this lil 200cc-er.

Top Speed: 136 kph

I'm pretty sure the CBR can do that in 4th gear.

136 in 4th? those last 2 gears must be short seeing as a lot of forum members struggle to get to 150 indicated (not GPS).

Or was that the time you rode bangkok to chiang mai, left at 7 and arrived before lunch, on the (wait for it......) CBR250?

Ps what's with the new username? Banned again?

[JUDAS]

^ I just put it through youtube now.

The CBR250R spanks it in the head to head drag video from the very beginning, not bad for a bike that's half the price!

Check out some reviews, they're lucky to see the high 130's kph (indicated) while the rider crawls under the paint.

taking an impressive 9.52secs to pass 100kph after launch.

From 100 to 120 it was pretty effortless, but beyond that the bike took a while to reach 130. And the console got stuck 138 kmph.

1st gear - 40km/h

2nd gear-60km/h

3rd gear-80km/h

4th gear-100km/h

5th gear-116km/h

6th gear-136km/h

All the above figures are at 10000rpm where it hits the red line.

5th gear-116km/h

I'm not sure what the CBR250R is doing at redline in 5th, but I know when it hits the limiter at 1k rpm into it it's doing 150kph.

It's a nice looking bike, but to be honest, if one wanted a hot little streetfighter for the city, I think you'd be best going for a CBR250R and modding it, there's some sweet streefighting versions out there already.

HMM. You remind me of someone. Actually, you remind me of a lot of people. Welcome back

[EmptyBasementBin]

Must be something in the water.

Anyway.

136 in 4th? those last 2 gears must be short seeing as a lot of forum members struggle to get to 150 indicated (not GPS).

As I mentioned, I haven't checked, but from my experience of bouncing off the limiter in each gear while having fun it's about 110-120 in 3rd, 130-140 in 4th, 150kph in 5th, and unable to hit the limiter in 6th.

6th gear on the CBR250R really doesn't add much that 5th can't do, and a lot of times (very strong headwind for eg.) it would be easier to hit 150kph by way of a 5th gear roll-on than 6th.

I hope that's cleared up your confused state.

If I think of it tomorrow I'll bounce it off the limiter in 4th for fun and see what number I get.

Edited July 12, 2012 by EmptyBasementBin

[EmptyBasementBin]

btw, I can't imagine many people struggling to see 150kph on the CBR250R if it's broken in.

I blasted off to Tak last week, was there by 10am on the dot and hit 165kph indicated along the way, mostly though it was hovering around the 150-155kph mark. Smooth as silk it was.

[skybluestu]

Is 125 duke available yet in Thailand or only 200, and if it is does anyone know the price. I cant find any info on availability for this bike.

Thanks.

Only 200 CC and larger avalable in Thailand at this time.

A Duke 350 will be released next year, wonder if that will be available here?

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[EmptyBasementBin]

^ Nice.

Remember as well there were lots of rumours of a Triumph 350cc single, then nothing. The Duke 350 would be a nice little thing.

[skybluestu]

^ Nice.

Remember as well there were lots of rumours of a Triumph 350cc single, then nothing. The Duke 350 would be a nice little thing.

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2011/08/2012-2014-ktms-leak/

[eezergood]

BUt at what silly price?

[snowflake]

I was in Phuket last week and I had a good look at the KTM Duke... Nice and comfy, a little higher than the CBR (shorter too)- The price is high, but the quality seems like very good. The dealership almost managed to sell me on the KTM duke 690... that was sweet to sit on for me, it just looks brutal but again the 628' thou is a bit to much... (z1000 is still under 600')...

Everyday that pass now I want a naked bike more and more, my friend wants to build his ER6F to an ER6N- but I want to change completely- Monster, Duke, z1000, which one???

Maybe just keep the ER6f for fun and distance and then use the Baby duke 200cc for in town and short trips alone?

2 bikes is not so bad-

BUT

a 350cc next year? hmmm should one wait or get one? then I saw my other Thai mate, rebuilt the CRF to a motard, nice and comfy, changed shocks and ECU, loud and fast, comfy but not very good for distance (price is sweet on that option there)...

Why can Honda not launch their CB 1000 in a 600cc shape for around 400thou?

I am so lost now... I need to go to bangkok to have a good look at the ducati now... I like it but so small (I am still tall and fat)...

[skybluestu]

FZ8N is about 8500 Euros in Europe so 340,000baht and 480,000baht here in Thailand. KTM Duke 690 is 7500 Euros in Europe so about 300,000baht but 628,000 baht here in Thailand. I know which one I'd choose!

[loserlazer]

FZ8N is about 8500 Euros in Europe so 340,000baht and 480,000baht here in Thailand. KTM Duke 690 is 7500 Euros in Europe so about 300,000baht but 628,000 baht here in Thailand. I know which one I'd choose!

By the way how come Yamaha can sell FZ8 on these prices? All i know, they need to pay 100 percent tax per bike - like KTM 300 k become 600 k -

How possible? they do something on papers?

[snowflake]

If one is only thinking about money one should buy a honda wave or an ER6(N)(F) or Versys- undoubtly the best value for money, then the ducati, then the Yamaha, then the z1000, then the KTM... But it so happens that money is not everything, when it comes to bikes...

I know I should be happy with my ER6F, but it is almost 1 year old and it is time for it to be changed, I just can't decide on what to get now. My Thai friends are all going for the Ducati- but I am just scared it will be as low as the current bike, even the KTM Duke 200 is taller than mine. I want something that is over 810mm with the seat hight, and can carry a pillion (the GF has demanded that)... I have a tank bag so no need for the large area in the back, but it is a bonus.

I felt big on the KTM Duke 200, but it was taller than the CBR, big pro KTM, and the Duke 690 is even taller... The Z1000 is pure porn, but again it is touching on the low side with bad pillion comfort... (That could be a good thing, but I do love my GF and want to bring her with me)...

I am tempted to get the KTM200 as a second bike, just for my in town play, but it is very very expensive- I did look at the Keeway motard for a cheap coin, but worried about the quality...

Choices are good but also bad...

The Yamaha I have kind of written off as there is something with the Yamaha engines that I like (no testride down here in the south)... I can atleast sit on the z1000, ducati, ktm, down here in NST or Phuket...

[skybluestu]

So you might go from a Ninja 650 to a Duke 200?! If it isn't about money then get yourself a Multistrada, ticks all the boxes. The FZ8N is a great bike at a great (in Thailand) price, especially when compared to the Duke 690 which in every other market is cheaper than the FZ8N but here is another 150k!

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[snowflake]

What I meant was that one does not always buy the cheapest bike out there... I would love the multi but I can't spend 1.2 million on a bike---

I also said that I though of keeping the 650 and then get the duke 200 for in town and solo riding...

The real problem I have is that I like so many different types of bikes... Ducati- kawa-honda- ktm are all in the running- yamaha is just to far away--- i would even pick a suzuki before rossi's old banger... I just love the R1 but it isnot for me...

My gf does not like the z1000 (shit for pillions)...

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[JonnyF]

So you might go from a Ninja 650 to a Duke 200?! If it isn't about money then get yourself a Multistrada, ticks all the boxes. The FZ8N is a great bike at a great (in Thailand) price, especially when compared to the Duke 690 which in every other market is cheaper than the FZ8N but here is another 150k!

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Good point about the FZ8N, really good value here and falls right between the er6 and the z1000 both in terms of price and performance. Not sure why there's been such a muted response to the fz8 release? Maybe the Ducati 795 stole it's thunder?

[snowflake]

I think that it comes down to the meager attempt that Yamaha has made to launch their big bikes in Thailand? Sure a few attempts in Bangkok, but where are the dealers around in the country? To sell bikes, they have to let their customers know about them...

Yamaha is not Honda, they can not coast on their name, even if they think so...

I have nothing against the Yamaha, but where to service it? Do I have to ride 900km just for a service? it is difficult enough to find time to ride 200km to Surat Thani for the Kawa service...

If I was in Bangkok, sure, why not have a look at it?

Power between the ER6 and the Z1000- hmmm price is between as well, so that is not so bad...

The problem I have had with previously Yamahas has been that they are lethargic at best below 6500rpms but it is firework above... I like the smooth torque curve with power available from 2000-3000 (not fast but moving)... Sure the ER6 is more pokey higher in the revs but not as bad as the Yamahas of my past...

[eezergood]

Has anyone seen a KTM200 on the road yet?

[snowflake]

Yes- it looks big and sounds sweet... The dealer in phulet had 2 reserved and ready to be picked up... They are not comon- that I give you... But that is a nice thing too...

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[splus]

I came to India (where I "normally" live last years) from Thailand (where I go almost every year for couple of months) just 2 weeks ago, and today I came back home from KTM showroom with my new Duke 200 after a 200 km ride.

And as I was looking online for some more info on the bike I stumbled upon this thread, I didn't know Duke is available in Thailand as well. So I thought to write a few words about it since I'm still fresh with impressions...

Yes, Duke 200 is ridiculously cheap in India (140,000 rs or 80,000 baht) comparing to other markets, not just Thailand. In UK it's 4,000 pounds, that's 200,000 baht. It's being made in India by Bajaj, who now apparently own 47% of KTM, and it looks like they want to sell it in India for as cheap as possible. Quality is great, btw, since this bike is made mostly for export.

As for the bike - wow, what a power toy! It's such a joy and fun to ride, and so easy as well. Crazy acceleration for a 200cc bike which is partially because of very short gearing.

Bike pulls like crazy in 6th gear till 125 kmh (that's when sitting straight up!) and then the acceleration slows down. It redlines at 10,500 rpm but it feels like it can do much more than that. It hits the rev limiter in 6th gear at 138 kmh to be exact. The rev limiter feels very artificially set, much lower than what bike can do. The bike revs so easily that it happened to me to hit the rev limiter on today's ride several times unintentionally on a new bike. It's not just short gearing but the power delivery is great, effortless.

In gear acceleration is fantastic in any gear, even 6th. You could ride around a city only in 4th or 5th gear, and if at 30 kmh or more then easily only in 6th.

Btw, I don't know about CBR 250, but there's hardly any speedo error on Duke 200, so these speeds are pretty close to GPS speeds.

Someone in India is selling ECU remapping for Duke that changes the rev limiter to 11,700 rpm and boosts the power to 28 bhp. Some who did it have reported the bike (again) hits the rev limiter in 6th gear at 153 kmh. After today's ride I have no doubt about it.

Handling is great, bike is very light, sticky tires have a great grip, and the exhaust sound is hypnotizing, you just want to rev it harder and harder! Not to mention the naked looks...

They did some comparisons here in India between CBR 250 and Duke 200, and Duke is faster from 0 to 60 kmh, difference is smaller at 100 kmh, and CBR has a slight edge at 120 kmh. Duke maxes out at 138 kmh but CBR goes on further. In another test at a race track with Duke 200, CBR 250 and 150cc Yamaha R15, Duke 200 easily came out as a surprise winner, despite obviously not being made for race track.

CBR is made more for comfy and fast highway cruising, where Duke is a naked street bike, just perfect machine for city and around. Not that Duke is not good for highways - I spent hours on roads and highways with it today. The ride was fun and easy, and have no back or any other pain at all. Seat and suspensions are on a harder side but seating posture is perfect (at least for me, I'm 5' 8").

Rear seat is relatively small but OK apart from that. In fact, I tried it, the problem with rear seat is that, unlike CBR 250, grab rails are more at a back side of the back seat than behind it, not offering much support for de/accelerations, so it feels like you'll fall off the bike when it accelerates. But if a pillion holds onto a rider then it's OK, so no problem with girlfriends.

All in all, it's a fantastic toy, it gives such a fun feeling when being ridden! But judging from online reviews of other KTM's bikes that's a typical KTM's signature...

It's such a shame the price in Thailand is so high! But if you like it and have money and if you're not too tall (bike is little smallish despite the higher seat) then it'll give you more fun than any other bike on Thai roads. In West you'd want to have something stronger...

Edited August 12, 2012 by splus

[CBR250R]

They did some comparisons here in India between CBR 250 and Duke 200, and Duke is faster from 0 to 60 kmh, difference is smaller at 100 kmh, and CBR has a slight edge at 120 kmh. Duke maxes out at 138 kmh but CBR goes on further. In another test at a race track with Duke 200, CBR 250 and 150cc Yamaha R15, Duke 200 easily came out as a surprise winner, despite obviously not being made for race track.

Is this the review (see link below) you are referring to regarding the 0-60kmh and 0-100km/hr times? It's funny how they quote the acceleration times of all three of the bikes - and identify the Duke as being the quickest to 100km/hr. Yet when they conduct a drag race right afterwards - the CBR250R clearly jumps out in front at the start - and remains well ahead all the way to the finish line. I wonder if - as this drag race suggests - the CBR250R is really quicker in the real-world, and that the figures listed in the video are merely published acceleration figures from the manufacturer. Still - I like lightweight bikes and think the Duke 200 would be a lot of fun.

Mike

[splus]

They did some comparisons here in India between CBR 250 and Duke 200, and Duke is faster from 0 to 60 kmh, difference is smaller at 100 kmh, and CBR has a slight edge at 120 kmh. Duke maxes out at 138 kmh but CBR goes on further. In another test at a race track with Duke 200, CBR 250 and 150cc Yamaha R15, Duke 200 easily came out as a surprise winner, despite obviously not being made for race track.

Is this the review (see link below) you are referring to regarding the 0-60kmh and 0-100km/hr times? It's funny how they quote the acceleration times of all three of the bikes - and identify the Duke as being the quickest to 100km/hr. Yet when they conduct a drag race right afterwards - the CBR250R clearly jumps out in front at the start - and remains well ahead all the way to the finish line. I wonder if - as this drag race suggests - the CBR250R is really quicker in the real-world, and that the figures listed in the video are merely published acceleration figures from the manufacturer. Still - I like lightweight bikes and think the Duke 200 would be a lot of fun.

Mike

Ah, I saw this video before - a perfect example of how a rider matters most in such drags... There's a bunch of other reviews and comparisons where they all have similar results to what I posted. What I wrote is something of a summary of different reviews.

I guess it's not that easy to ride a Duke in such a drag - gearing is VERY short, redline comes in an instant and so one really needs to know how and when to shift gears. On CBR it's much easier to do it. But when done in a best way on both bikes Duke definitely has better acceleration. Which is no wonder - 25 bhp and 124 kg dry weight means power to weight ratio of 184 PS/ton, whereas CBR is 155 PS/ton.

Edited August 12, 2012 by splus

[RED21]

Anyone else notice the big KTM billboard near the new McDonald's in the new shopping area across Big C Extra in Chiang Mai? Methinks they're starting to kick things off in distribution and that's going to be the dealership in Chiang Mai.

[taninthai]

Wow sounds more like a litre bike pulls hard in any gear sorry but sounds like a hugely exaggerated review to me it's only a 200 cc it's the same with some of the early cbr 250 reviews some of them made it sound more quicker and powerful than a 600 maybe these reviews come from people new to bikes and never having ridden a 600 or 1000 cc bike

At the equivalent of 80,000 bht though it is a great bike shame about the pricing here otherwise it would be a brilliant seller can't see it happening at 200 k here though

Edited August 13, 2012 by taninthai

[yankee99]

Anyone else notice the big KTM billboard near the new McDonald's in the new shopping area across Big C Extra in Chiang Mai? Methinks they're starting to kick things off in distribution and that's going to be the dealership in Chiang Mai.

i believe the dealer is already open check gt rider ..... prices are crazy and some models are just ugly....

[skybluestu]

Anyone else notice the big KTM billboard near the new McDonald's in the new shopping area across Big C Extra in Chiang Mai? Methinks they're starting to kick things off in distribution and that's going to be the dealership in Chiang Mai.

i believe the dealer is already open check gt rider ..... prices are crazy and some models are just ugly....

That's right, I saw some pics on facebook of the opening party this weekend, some lovely bikes and girls on show, crazy prices though!

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[splus]

Wow sounds more like a litre bike pulls hard in any gear sorry but sounds like a hugely exaggerated review to me it's only a 200 cc it's the same with some of the early cbr 250 reviews some of them made it sound more quicker and powerful than a 600 maybe these reviews come from people new to bikes and never having ridden a 600 or 1000 cc bike

At the equivalent of 80,000 bht though it is a great bike shame about the pricing here otherwise it would be a brilliant seller can't see it happening at 200 k here though

Ah, come on, yes, I agree, it might be an enthusiastic review, but of course it's not being compared to a CBR1000 or ER-6n but to its own class. That's why I mentioned CBR250.

Its punchy engine and light weight makes it feel as it has 100cc more than it has but that's about it...

The main thing it has for it is that it's really a great fun bike, and it's perfect for around a city and occasional road trips.

But yeah, high price spoils it...

Edited August 13, 2012 by splus

[RED21]

Anyone else notice the big KTM billboard near the new McDonald's in the new shopping area across Big C Extra in Chiang Mai? Methinks they're starting to kick things off in distribution and that's going to be the dealership in Chiang Mai.

i believe the dealer is already open check gt rider ..... prices are crazy and some models are just ugly....

That's right, I saw some pics on facebook of the opening party this weekend, some lovely bikes and girls on show, crazy prices though!

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Yeah, I thought so, they're going to try and milk the brand and put up insane prices.

Then sometimes this tactic backfires and no one buys their bikes, and they end up shooting themselves on the foot. But then again there will always be some rich dudes who would not care and fork out the dough for their overpriced products. So what next?

Edited August 13, 2012 by RED21