Nisa Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) So, there happened to be a closed circuit camera pointed at these people's front door???? Winai said the man was seen on closed circuit camera footage as he left a house that had been used by the Iranians. Read more: http://www.time.com/...l#ixzz1mnKerHyi Edited February 19, 2012 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 It is looking increasingly likely that the police, or other agencies had been keeping tabs on this group for some time, I wonder how many other groups and/or individuals are being monitored at the moment.Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com A good Iranian friend of mine who seems to have his ear to the ground told me these people were not terrorists, but were gangsters based in Bangkok. The police had been clamping down on their business' and drug empire a little too much, so they planned a revenge attack on the BiB, nothing more. Well, the evidence concerning the similarity of bomb types (Iranian scientists/India/Georgia) would need scrutiny and if indeed they are all similar then that would need explaining. It is unusual that there was a CCTV pointing at the house. I just hope that the BiB release what information their investigations conclude in and do not bow to foreign interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 It is looking increasingly likely that the police, or other agencies had been keeping tabs on this group for some time, I wonder how many other groups and/or individuals are being monitored at the moment.Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com A good Iranian friend of mine who seems to have his ear to the ground told me these people were not terrorists, but were gangsters based in Bangkok. The police had been clamping down on their business' and drug empire a little too much, so they planned a revenge attack on the BiB, nothing more. Trust me, nobody credible is going to believe that rumor given the similarity of M.O. with Georgia and India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerryk Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 It is looking increasingly likely that the police, or other agencies had been keeping tabs on this group for some time, I wonder how many other groups and/or individuals are being monitored at the moment.Posted with Thaivisa App http://apps.thaivisa.com A good Iranian friend of mine who seems to have his ear to the ground told me these people were not terrorists, but were gangsters based in Bangkok. The police had been clamping down on their business' and drug empire a little too much, so they planned a revenge attack on the BiB, nothing more. Trust me, nobody credible is going to believe that rumor given the similarity of M.O. with Georgia and India. Maybe there is a room at the Iranian embassy where a bunch of guys sit around saying stuff like, "Try it out on Thai Visa and see if it flies." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 I find it interesting, based on the pictures after the left the house, that these guys don't appear to be injured by the bomb blast in the house. Usually these types of accidents occur while somebody is fiddling with something and don't happen when the bomb is upstairs and everyone is downstairs. Didn't I read something somewhere that police said they had a 5-second timer? Not a heck of a lot of time to gather your stuff and get out of the house ... which looks like it had its roof, doors and windows blown out on both floors. It's reasonable to assume that they idiotically set off the timer, dived out the door just far enough to survive and took off running with the other bombs as soon as they realized their utter cockup. Then the further level of idiocy played out in the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) I find it interesting, based on the pictures after the left the house, that these guys don't appear to be injured by the bomb blast in the house. Usually these types of accidents occur while somebody is fiddling with something and don't happen when the bomb is upstairs and everyone is downstairs. Didn't I read something somewhere that police said they had a 5-second timer? Not a heck of a lot of time to gather your stuff and get out of the house ... which looks like it had its roof, doors and windows blown out on both floors. It's reasonable to assume that they idiotically set off the timer, dived out the door just far enough to survive and took off running with the other bombs as soon as they realized their utter cockup. Then the further level of idiocy played out in the street. I agree 100% it is possible but when you look at so much about this, you have to assume a lot of things took place that are somewhat out of the norm to not come to the conclusion somebody was already keeping an eye on these guys. If true, I really am not against that as it is the best way to gather intelligence on other people involved as well as getting more info on the entire terrorist network. It was simply just an observation on my part that something seems amiss about this story and I think it all is easily explained if these guys were already under some kind of watch. Edited February 19, 2012 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) And for the conspiracy buffs ... Israel frames Iran for its false flag embassy bombing saga See: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/227058.html Edited February 19, 2012 by Nisa 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 From today's The Nation: Authorities found that three suspects, believed to be Iranians, stayed at a guest house in Pattaya, but the operator did not report the customers' names to local authorities within 24 hours, as required by law. Police Maj-General Chamnong Rattanakul, chief of Chon Buri provincial police, who also oversees Pattaya, said all hotel and guest house operators would be required to cooperate with authorities and strictly abide by rules and regulations. He suggested establishments install closed-circuit TV systems and require proper registration of all guests.... "In the past, we were not strict with operators. Now, we need to work together to ensure security for everyone." Rule #1 of the BIB: Only enforce the law when there's money in it, or if you're caught with your pants down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
partington Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 And for the conspiracy buffs ... Israel frames Iran for its false flag embassy bombing saga See: http://www.presstv.i...ail/227058.html And for the non-conspiracy buffs: there is no need at all for such a deception to be employed by the US or Israel to justify a military attack on Iran. This is because both Obama and Netanyahu have already stated that this will be the last resort strategy if Iran's nuclear program is not terminated. So no "excuse" necessary. So what else would these "false flag" attacks be for? To cast Iran in a bad light? Hardly credible and why bother - even their neighbours don't like 'em. Full article here: http://www.guardian....military-action Excerpts: US officials believe Iran sanctions will fail, making military action likely Officials in key parts of the Obama administration are increasingly convinced that sanctions will not deter Tehran from pursuing its nuclear programme, and believe that the US will be left with no option but to launch an attack on Iran or watch Israel do so. (........) "Sanctions are all we've got to throw at the problem. If they fail then it's hard to see how we don't move to the 'in extremis' option." The White House has said repeatedly that all options are on the table, including the use of force to stop Iran obtaining a nuclear weapon, but that for now the emphasis is firmly on diplomacy and sanctions. But long-held doubts among US officials about whether the Iranians can be enticed or cajoled into serious negotiations have been reinforced by recent events. "We don't see a way forward," said one official. "The record shows that there is nothing to work with." Scepticism about Iranian intent is rooted in Iran's repeated spurning of overtures from successive US presidents from Bill Clinton to Barack Obama....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Exactly - so what we see if lots of socialists, joining hands with neo-nazis in Europe, proclaiming in articles and blog-posts that this is a false flag operation and again calling for purchase boycott of Israeli goods, when they should realize that the bi-partisan Big Government agents in the US already seek a war and don't need any false flag. The operations happens because the other side is not pure as snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Exactly - so what we see if lots of socialists, joining hands with neo-nazis in Europe, proclaiming in articles and blog-posts that this is a false flag operation and again calling for purchase boycott of Israeli goods, when they should realize that the bi-partisan Big Government agents in the US already seek a war and don't need any false flag. The operations happens because the other side is not pure as snow. My Bold. So that's it then, if the other side are not pure as snow then an attack and invasion is ok? That lets the USA loose on quite a few countries then including the UK, France, Germany, Holland, Austrailia etc etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Please highlight where I wrote any support for an invasion or aggression. I only highlighted that Iran (the current regime) is neither pure nor good. And some of the apologists should stop pretending that they are and make up nutty stories such as 'false flag' when it isn't needed. Such a ludicrous response that per-mutates the European socialist and neo-nazi's (the webforums and newspaper columns have been busy back home) dealing with this recent event - plus the other two bombings outside of Thailand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 And for the conspiracy buffs ... Israel frames Iran for its false flag embassy bombing saga See: http://www.presstv.i...ail/227058.html And for the non-conspiracy buffs: there is no need at all for such a deception to be employed by the US or Israel to justify a military attack on Iran. This is because both Obama and Netanyahu have already stated that this will be the last resort strategy if Iran's nuclear program is not terminated. Not to get this off topic because I don't believe this was a "false flag" type of situation but I do fully believe there are reasons for such an operation. As for Israel and last resort, the US and its leaders are very concerned about Israel launching an attack and few believe it is not unlikely it could happen in the near future. It is highly unlikely Iran is every going to back down on the nuke issue, especially as long as Israel has nukes and doesn't comply with inspections or even admit to having them, and it seems clear the US and Israel are not going to stand for this. However, an attack against Israel would send the world's currently fragile economy tumbling out of control and worse could set off a huge military actions or repercussions across the globe. BUT, if they could actually show Iran to be pulling the strings of terrorist attacks then there is considerably less concern against any major force or group being able to defend a position of taking out Iran's nuke sites. But even if it was proved Iran was behind these assignation attempts (terrorism), it is minor and can easily be excused by their allies as being pay back for Israel doing the same to leaders and their scientists. A successful false flag operation would need to be on a marge larger scale .. not quite but almost to the point of a 9/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) Please highlight where I wrote any support for an invasion or aggression. I only highlighted that Iran (the current regime) is neither pure nor good. And some of the apologists should stop pretending that they are and make up nutty stories such as 'false flag' when it isn't needed. Such a ludicrous response that per-mutates the European socialist and neo-nazi's (the webforums and newspaper columns have been busy back home) dealing with this recent event - plus the other two bombings outside of Thailand. But the USA had already decided on war in Vietnam, but needed a false flag to garner support, Israel had already decided on it's strategy with Egypt but needed a false flag (USS Liberty) to garner support. The USA had already decided on a war in Iraq but came up with the false flag of WMD's to persuade the general population it was the right thing to do. Precedence is against the USA and Israel. It is a bit of the 'Boy who cried Wolf' situation, they have lied and cheated not only us, but their own people in the past, so why is this to be considered any different? Nothing to do with socialists and Neo-Nazi's thank you. The current regime in Iran may not be good, but that is not the criteria for an attack. Mugabe is a long way from being pure as snow, so why has nobody taken his regime out, after they have murdered hundreds of thousands of people? answer......oil ! Edited February 21, 2012 by GentlemanJim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Again, there is no need to do any false flag operation, and if you think the American populace would switch positions based on some minor attacks on Israeli embassy personnel then you are delusional. And Irans actions clearly disprove the false flag excuses. And it has everything to do with socialists and neo-nazists, as they in their pure hatred for anything Jewish and the state of Israel will happily support any murderous regime, as long as that regime is actively trying to work undermine Israel and the zionist power on the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Again, there is no need to do any false flag operation, and if you think the American populace would switch positions based on some minor attacks on Israeli embassy personnel then you are delusional. And Irans actions clearly disprove the false flag excuses. And it has everything to do with socialists and neo-nazists, as they in their pure hatred for anything Jewish and the state of Israel will happily support any murderous regime, as long as that regime is actively trying to work undermine Israel and the zionist power on the world. Just a note there are plenty of Jewish socialists and an important part of the culture of the founding of Israel was socialistic in spirit (the Kibbutzim movement). Being socialist doesn't follow automatically that you are antisemitic and/or anti Israel. Being Nazi ... does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAWP Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Again, there is no need to do any false flag operation, and if you think the American populace would switch positions based on some minor attacks on Israeli embassy personnel then you are delusional. And Irans actions clearly disprove the false flag excuses. And it has everything to do with socialists and neo-nazists, as they in their pure hatred for anything Jewish and the state of Israel will happily support any murderous regime, as long as that regime is actively trying to work undermine Israel and the zionist power on the world. Just a note there are plenty of Jewish socialists and an important part of the culture of the founding of Israel was socialistic in spirit (the Kibbutzim movement). Being socialist doesn't follow automatically that you are antisemitic and/or anti Israel. Being Nazi ... does. Ah, yes my leftist friend, there is plenty of socialists in Israel too, that is known. But my posts didn't claim all shared the view. But I would ofcourse challenge you to find any sizeble minority that isn't [antisemite] amongst the socialists from back home. The biggest evening tabloid, the de facto propaganda paper for Der Party of my nation is staunchly anti-Israel and just the other day did their for many years leading columnist once again push for a complete product-boycott against Israel. The roots from the last 150 years are hard to remove. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudM Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 The question is, are the suspects Iranian or not? Why would the Iranian woman suspect go back to Iran if she is not Iranian or if she works for the US or the Jews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Exclusive: Bangkok Bomb Plot Photos Alleged Iranian Bombs Hidden in Cheap Chinese Radios Link to ABC News Photos http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/slideshow/iranian-bomb-parts-15760117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Exclusive: Bangkok Bomb Plot Photos Alleged Iranian Bombs Hidden in Cheap Chinese Radios Link to ABC News Photos http://abcnews.go.co...-parts-15760117 Looking at those pictures it is fairly obvious that this was not just a couple of amateurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) The question is, are the suspects Iranian or not? Why would the Iranian woman suspect go back to Iran if she is not Iranian or if she works for the US or the Jews? On the flip side, why does a citizen(s) wrong doing mean that they are acting on the order or as agent of their government? Edited February 22, 2012 by Nisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 It was all a plot to bomb a random Bangkok taxi meter driver ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayman Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 It was all a plot to bomb a random Bangkok taxi meter driver ... Pretty sure that's the one I had in the local pool. Now pay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Exclusive: Bangkok Bomb Plot Photos Alleged Iranian Bombs Hidden in Cheap Chinese Radios Link to ABC News Photos http://abcnews.go.co...-parts-15760117 Looking at those pictures it is fairly obvious that this was not just a couple of amateurs. Why? It looks very amateurish to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Again, there is no need to do any false flag operation, and if you think the American populace would switch positions based on some minor attacks on Israeli embassy personnel then you are delusional. And Irans actions clearly disprove the false flag excuses. And it has everything to do with socialists and neo-nazists, as they in their pure hatred for anything Jewish and the state of Israel will happily support any murderous regime, as long as that regime is actively trying to work undermine Israel and the zionist power on the world. Just a note there are plenty of Jewish socialists and an important part of the culture of the founding of Israel was socialistic in spirit (the Kibbutzim movement). Being socialist doesn't follow automatically that you are antisemitic and/or anti Israel. Being Nazi ... does. Ah, yes my leftist friend, there is plenty of socialists in Israel too, that is known. But my posts didn't claim all shared the view. But I would ofcourse challenge you to find any sizeble minority that isn't [antisemite] amongst the socialists from back home. The biggest evening tabloid, the de facto propaganda paper for Der Party of my nation is staunchly anti-Israel and just the other day did their for many years leading columnist once again push for a complete product-boycott against Israel. The roots from the last 150 years are hard to remove. Quite so, It is indeed ironic that after several decades trying to stifle all religion the far left has now adopted militant Islam as it's religion of choice to protect and nurture seeing as they just love it's totalitarian nature and provides a proxy for their latent anti-semitism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nisa Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Exclusive: Bangkok Bomb Plot Photos Alleged Iranian Bombs Hidden in Cheap Chinese Radios Link to ABC News Photos http://abcnews.go.co...-parts-15760117 Looking at those pictures it is fairly obvious that this was not just a couple of amateurs. Why? It looks very amateurish to me. I won't be a credible judge on this given I don't have experience in improvised bomb making skills but imo it looks fairly basic and something anyone taught a little knowledge (even from the net) could come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Again, there is no need to do any false flag operation, and if you think the American populace would switch positions based on some minor attacks on Israeli embassy personnel then you are delusional. And Irans actions clearly disprove the false flag excuses. And it has everything to do with socialists and neo-nazists, as they in their pure hatred for anything Jewish and the state of Israel will happily support any murderous regime, as long as that regime is actively trying to work undermine Israel and the zionist power on the world. Just a note there are plenty of Jewish socialists and an important part of the culture of the founding of Israel was socialistic in spirit (the Kibbutzim movement). Being socialist doesn't follow automatically that you are antisemitic and/or anti Israel. Being Nazi ... does. Ah, yes my leftist friend, there is plenty of socialists in Israel too, that is known. But my posts didn't claim all shared the view. But I would ofcourse challenge you to find any sizeble minority that isn't [antisemite] amongst the socialists from back home. The biggest evening tabloid, the de facto propaganda paper for Der Party of my nation is staunchly anti-Israel and just the other day did their for many years leading columnist once again push for a complete product-boycott against Israel. The roots from the last 150 years are hard to remove. Quite so, It is indeed ironic that after several decades trying to stifle all religion the far left has now adopted militant Islam as it's religion of choice to protect and nurture seeing as they just love it's totalitarian nature and provides a proxy for their latent anti-semitism. Maybe I'm naive but in my experience American leftists aren't as antisemitic as European leftists as a generalization. I feel most of them are able to distinguish between criticism of Israeli government policies and the deep end of hate inspired conspiracy theories/demonization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steely Dan Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Maybe I'm naive but in my experience American leftists aren't as antisemitic as European leftists as a generalization. I feel most of them are able to distinguish between criticism of Israeli government policies and the deep end of hate inspired conspiracy theories/demonization. I think you are probably correct, though the OWS demonstrations have contained some pretty nasty undercurrents if you can see beyond your probable gut sympathy for the movement as a whole. Also with globalization and the internet things move very fast so I suspect what we are seeing in Europe will soon come to the U.S, though your demographics mean you are not in such a terrible mess as Europe has got itself into. Edited February 22, 2012 by Steely Dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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