Do You Ever Ride Without A Helmet

[nattydread]

The original post has been edited as it has way over the topic graphic pictures as well as links to pornographic content, we all know its a terrible problem but no more links like that please

Damit Rimmer I wanted to see and the added links might have been fun to

google "best gore" if u want to see what was deleted..........i wish now i had just used some of the pics from the site rather than posted links that the mods deleted

[BigBikeBKK]

The original post has been edited as it has way over the topic graphic pictures as well as links to pornographic content, we all know its a terrible problem but no more links like that please

Damit Rimmer I wanted to see and the added links might have been fun to

If you think that "over the top graphic pictures" of dead people is "fun" I think there may be something wrong with you...

[BigBikeBKK]

The original post has been edited as it has way over the topic graphic pictures as well as links to pornographic content, we all know its a terrible problem but no more links like that please

Damit Rimmer I wanted to see and the added links might have been fun to

google "best gore" if u want to see what was deleted..........i wish now i had just used some of the pics from the site rather than posted links that the mods deleted

Fortunately the mods will delete the pics too as it's against the rules to post pictures showing graphic violence on ThaiVisa.

[BigBikeBKK]

sry, dbl post

Edited February 27, 2012 by BigBikeBKK

[manarak]

As this is turning into a helmet debate thread, I'd like to repeat here my point of view that I am against a general obligation to wear helmets. Any driver older than 18 should decide for himself if he wants to wear one or not.

I think it would be a good thing if the death reate of petty criminals, gangstahs and other rebelz on the roads was higher.

Personally, I almost always wear my helmet (99%).

[transam]

The original post has been edited as it has way over the topic graphic pictures as well as links to pornographic content, we all know its a terrible problem but no more links like that please

Damit Rimmer I wanted to see and the added links might have been fun to

If you think that "over the top graphic pictures" of dead people is "fun" I think there may be something wrong with you...

+1

[wana]

As this is turning into a helmet debate thread, I'd like to repeat here my point of view that I am against a general obligation to wear helmets. Any driver older than 18 should decide for himself if he wants to wear one or not.

I think it would be a good thing if the death reate of petty criminals, gangstahs and other rebelz on the roads was higher.

Personally, I almost always wear my helmet (99%).

its the 1% of time you dont wear it that you wil get splattered by a racing taxi ........

[billd766]

But, you see, far more often the option is exercised to accelerate into it, as this thread attests so well.

Agreed, judgment and driving skill make all the difference, but most of our farangs driving in Thailand seem lacking in those. About the only thing saving our accident victims from much worse is that they weren't on a big bike. If they were, they likely died, as often happens in PTY to tourists (particularly Arab tourists) renting big bikes.

I've had a big bike myself and I liked it a lot, miss it sometimes, but I don't fool myself that it was safer than my smaller bikes. It definitely wasn't.

sorry but I disagree, I'd far rather be on my big bike at 100kmph than a small bike, you said it yourself -

First, the size of the small bike discourages going "100kmph". And that's a good thing normally.

Still, if I crashed at "100kmph," which is the real point (you missed) that concerns helmet safety, I'd rather do it on a small bike. A crash on a small bike is less likely to put stress on a helmet than one on a big bike. It depends on the nature of the crash (maybe your butt took the whole impact ), but you can't think of any scenario in which the opposite would hold true.

you said it yourself - it's to do with the your abilities and how you choose to ride, the example you gave above referring to middle eastern tourists hiring bike bikes and ending up in high speed accidents tells me they had neither ability or experience and they often ride these big bikes without helmet or as near as, I generally potter about pattaya being overtaken by both thais and falangs on small bikes, it doesn't bother me and it is not what this thread is about either. Most of the people on this forum with big bikes do not fall into the category you suggest in your example.

Ah, well, I don't know most of the people on this forum as you obviously do so well, and we're not talking just our members anyway (so don't take it too personally), but one member here, billd766 above, DID admit how he shot out from a stop and promptly ran into another vehicle--which is suggestive. And that was on a lowly Phantom. Though I'd scarcely be shocked if our members do have an inflated opinion of their own driving skills, yet accidents are regularly referenced. In most cases, I'd say, a slower speed would have prevented the accident or made it less worse. Just common sense, really--smedly.

Arabs are the most common example, but hardly exclusive. There was, for example, a notable crash few years ago of some Brits who crashed at Big C going north on 2nd Rd traveling at excessive speed on a big bike. Both died. I often think of that accident when I pass the spot.

Actually I DIDN'T shoot out for a stop.

What I said was that all the lights were red and mine turned to green so I went across partly because I was being pushed by the car behind.

The two old ladies RAN THE RED LIGHT, NOT ME, and they ran in to me and not me into them.

The police who saw the accident said the same which is why they gave me money and not the other way around.

What is suggestive is that you read the post again and try to understand it was not my fault, I was the innocent party.

[wana]

9000 thb compensation for being run down in an intersection is why i try to drive carefully but nearly every day in bkk

i have a close call

the problem with even a small accident is you wil probably get blamed anyway being a rich farang in the wrong place

even if theres loads of witnesses and the other party is clearly at fault often there is nothing can be done because some

kid with no money crashed into you and cant afford compensation anyway even if you can convince the police

i was stopped once and a taxi hit the passenger foot peg on the elegance and it busted through his plastic bumper

i told him im not paying because he was moving and i was stopped when it happened , i started to call the cops and

when he saw i wasnt reaching for the wallet he just said its ok and drove away ,but if the cops came down i probaby

would have had to buy him a new bumper

[smedly]

Actually I DIDN'T shoot out for a stop.

What I said was that all the lights were red and mine turned to green so I went across partly because I was being pushed by the car behind.

The two old ladies RAN THE RED LIGHT, NOT ME, and they ran in to me and not me into them.

The police who saw the accident said the same which is why they gave me money and not the other way around.

What is suggestive is that you read the post again and try to understand it was not my fault, I was the innocent party.

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I think everyone understands what you wrote and most agree it was not your fault, I think the issue here is that "never expect other road users to observe a red light and stop here in Thailand" many won't and if you go on a green without checking it is safe to do so you will at some point get T'boned by a red runner, I always wait and let many go first before moving and still always checking (super careful lol) glad you are ok and survived and all worked out, in my 67k kilometers riding in Thailand I've seen many accidents and near misses involving red light runners and green light jumpers, even in the west green means - proceed if safe to do so - I also wear my helmet at all times

[Fookhaht]

The Wats are full of ashes of invincible farangs. Farangs take note that you survival rate here is very different to farang land, no matter how good you ''think'' you are.

Next week one of you farangs will be burnt at a Wat..

You're just a little bundle of sunshine.

[transam]

The Wats are full of ashes of invincible farangs. Farangs take note that you survival rate here is very different to farang land, no matter how good you ''think'' you are.

Next week one of you farangs will be burnt at a Wat..

You're just a little bundle of sunshine.

Yes, and realistic too.

[BigBikeBKK]

The Wats are full of ashes of invincible farangs. Farangs take note that you survival rate here is very different to farang land, no matter how good you ''think'' you are.

Next week one of you farangs will be burnt at a Wat..

You're just a little bundle of sunshine.

Yes, and realistic too.

It's been ages since we've lost a ThaiVisa forum member to a motorcycle accident and I for one pray that it stays that way.

For the most part the folks who post on this forum are not reckless, and for you to predict / claim / accuse / wish an accident on a member of this forum is pretty despicable.

Shame on you

[transam]

The Wats are full of ashes of invincible farangs. Farangs take note that you survival rate here is very different to farang land, no matter how good you ''think'' you are.

Next week one of you farangs will be burnt at a Wat..

You're just a little bundle of sunshine.

Yes, and realistic too.

It's been ages since we've lost a ThaiVisa forum member to a motorcycle accident and I for one pray that it stays that way.

For the most part the folks who post on this forum are not reckless, and for you to predict / claim / accuse / wish an accident on a member of this forum is pretty despicable.

Shame on you

Where did l say a ''member'' , or ''wish'' in my posts ?

The subject is about crash hats and it has been stated here that farangs ride bikes with no hats and are killed. These are facts, and the more people that read the facts then perhaps it will save lives and NOT be wishy washy about it.

[IanForbes]

Just this afternoon I saw an idiot farang with no helmet, riding a bike go through a red light while the rest of us were all waiting for the light to go green. He didn't realize it was an advance light where the opposing traffic goes first. Had someone in the oncoming lane jumped the light, or taken off quickly, then there would have been an accident. I see it all the time. My two former girl friends who both died of head injuries were traveling very slowly at the time of their accidents, and other than a few minor scrapes their head was the only part of their body that was damaged.

[transam]

Just this afternoon I saw an idiot farang with no helmet, riding a bike go through a red light while the rest of us were all waiting for the light to go green. He didn't realize it was an advance light where the opposing traffic goes first. Had someone in the oncoming lane jumped the light, or taken off quickly, then there would have been an accident. I see it all the time. My two former girl friends who both died of head injuries were traveling very slowly at the time of their accidents, and other than a few minor scrapes their head was the only part of their body that was damaged.

There' s a farang that rides past my place with a baby hanging on the handle bars, and of course neither has protection.

[smedly]

The Wats are full of ashes of invincible farangs. Farangs take note that you survival rate here is very different to farang land, no matter how good you ''think'' you are.

Next week one of you farangs will be burnt at a Wat..

You're just a little bundle of sunshine.

Yes, and realistic too.

It's been ages since we've lost a ThaiVisa forum member to a motorcycle accident and I for one pray that it stays that way.

For the most part the folks who post on this forum are not reckless, and for you to predict / claim / accuse / wish an accident on a member of this forum is pretty despicable.

Shame on you

I agree 100% with your comment BKK, I wonder if he even has a bike and if not why is he even posting here....shocking

judging by his forum name most likely a bike hater, and the amount of post I'd be surprised if he leaves his room, unappriciated and unwanted on this forum, we all know motorbikes are dangerous which is why we have threads like this to help people stay safe not give them a "your going to die soon if you keep riding a bike in Thailand", transam if you have nothing constructive to say then just go away we don't want you negativity here

Edited February 28, 2012 by smedly

[transam]

Yes I do have a 2 wheeled machine, and as a kid had a 2 wheeled machine and some should not hide away from reality and face facts so many might survive in LOS.

[Fishenough]

Just received news of a young man I know, who was enjoying himself on Koh Tao had a bad accident on a rental scooter in the wee hours of the morning. No helmet. Massive part of his scalp was peeled. His lips are horribly ripped up and he lost many teeth. I'll spare you the other gory details.

He under went 5 hours of craniotomy surgery today.

He will live, but prognosis is unknown.

By choosing to not wear a helmet your choosing to put your friends and family through a situation like this.

or worse.

But hey, it is your choice.

[transam]

Just received news of a young man I know, who was enjoying himself on Koh Tao had a bad accident on a rental scooter in the wee hours of the morning. No helmet. Massive part of his scalp was peeled. His lips are horribly ripped up and he lost many teeth. I'll spare you the other gory details.

He under went 5 hours of craniotomy surgery today.

He will live, but prognosis is unknown.

By choosing to not wear a helmet your choosing to put your friends and family through a situation like this.

or worse.

But hey, it is your choice.

In UK, near 50 years ago my mum was making a right turn, queues of traffic on her right. A Samaritan left a gap so she could turn. She proceeded to make the turn and a mod scooter guy was undertaking on the inside of the queue at speed and ploughed into mums motor. All taken to hospital where the lad died of head injuries, no helmet. He was in the next cubical to mums.

The lads mum was there at his bedside when he passed away. The mum shouted and screamed at my mum that she killed her son. Mum did nothing wrong and did not face any charges.

Mum spent weeks in bed at home suffering the trauma and a full year to recover all cos the guy had no crash hat.

[smedly]

Yes I do have a 2 wheeled machine, and as a kid had a 2 wheeled machine and some should not hide away from reality and face facts so many might survive in LOS.

2 wheeled machine ? I'm going to guess you ride a bicycle and have had a bicycle as a kid

looks like we are all going to survive from your expert advice (none existent) and spending time on this thread to tell us all the doom and gloom of your sorry existance, go play with the traffic then come back and tell us what we are doing wrong, I look forward to hearing ..... not

[smedly]

Just received news of a young man I know, who was enjoying himself on Koh Tao had a bad accident on a rental scooter in the wee hours of the morning. No helmet. Massive part of his scalp was peeled. His lips are horribly ripped up and he lost many teeth. I'll spare you the other gory details.

He under went 5 hours of craniotomy surgery today.

He will live, but prognosis is unknown.

By choosing to not wear a helmet your choosing to put your friends and family through a situation like this.

or worse.

But hey, it is your choice.

In UK, near 50 years ago my mum was making a right turn, queues of traffic on her right. A Samaritan left a gap so she could turn. She proceeded to make the turn and a mod scooter guy was undertaking on the inside of the queue at speed and ploughed into mums motor. All taken to hospital where the lad died of head injuries, no helmet. He was in the next cubical to mums.

The lads mum was there at his bedside when he passed away. The mum shouted and screamed at my mum that she killed her son. Mum did nothing wrong and did not face any charges.

Mum spent weeks in bed at home suffering the trauma and a full year to recover all cos the guy had no crash hat.

if that had happened in Thailand it would have been 100% her fault even if the victim was falang

that is the reality here and from a few posts back........exactly why everyone should be wearing a good helmet, hope he recovers

[Fookhaht]

Just received news of a young man I know, who was enjoying himself on Koh Tao had a bad accident on a rental scooter in the wee hours of the morning. No helmet. Massive part of his scalp was peeled. His lips are horribly ripped up and he lost many teeth. I'll spare you the other gory details.

He under went 5 hours of craniotomy surgery today.

He will live, but prognosis is unknown.

By choosing to not wear a helmet your choosing to put your friends and family through a situation like this.

or worse.

But hey, it is your choice.

In UK, near 50 years ago my mum was making a right turn, queues of traffic on her right. A Samaritan left a gap so she could turn. She proceeded to make the turn and a mod scooter guy was undertaking on the inside of the queue at speed and ploughed into mums motor. All taken to hospital where the lad died of head injuries, no helmet. He was in the next cubical to mums.

The lads mum was there at his bedside when he passed away. The mum shouted and screamed at my mum that she killed her son. Mum did nothing wrong and did not face any charges.

Mum spent weeks in bed at home suffering the trauma and a full year to recover all cos the guy had no crash hat.

I can't help but wonder: "Wow, what hospital genius put the victim next to the alleged perpetrator to recover in a peaceful enviornment?"

[transam]

Yes I do have a 2 wheeled machine, and as a kid had a 2 wheeled machine and some should not hide away from reality and face facts so many might survive in LOS.

2 wheeled machine ? I'm going to guess you ride a bicycle and have had a bicycle as a kid

looks like we are all going to survive from your expert advice (none existent) and spending time on this thread to tell us all the doom and gloom of your sorry existance, go play with the traffic then come back and tell us what we are doing wrong, I look forward to hearing ..... not

Sounds like you are the fool, never wears a helmet and have your kids hanging off the handle bars. Cool, live your life and don't complain here eh when YOUR things go wrong. Rock on.

[smedly]

Has anyone noticed it............................I think we are chatting with the village brainbox

Transam V8's, lived in UK, nearly 10,000 posts, posts on a motorbike forum having never onwer one (thinks a bicycle makes him an expert) telling us we're all going to die what is there to know ????

I like to come here and share experiences and hope I can learn something or post something that might help others, there is no way in a month of Sundays am I going to learn anyuthing from you Transam....consider yourself ignored

[transam]

Has anyone noticed it............................I think we are chatting with the village brainbox

Transam V8's, lived in UK, nearly 10,000 posts, posts on a motorbike forum having never onwer one (thinks a bicycle makes him an expert) telling us we're all going to die what is there to know ????

I like to come here and share experiences and hope I can learn something or post something that might help others, there is no way in a month of Sundays am I going to learn anyuthing from you Transam....consider yourself ignored

Dear OH dear, as a bloke who rode 2 wheels perhaps before you were born, hmmmmmmmmm.

Must confess l don't care what you think cos you cannot understand anything l have written. BUT, that's OK, just you carry on but l hope folk who are thinking of coming to LOS for their hols have read MY posts and not those who live in their own world of ''Hope I am OK today""

PS. What the fuc_k has post numbers got to do with crash helmets ?.

Edited February 28, 2012 by transam

[wantan]

It seems most members agree its better to wear a helmet. Always. So what is this all about? Its getting again another bike poser show. "I ride more than you." "Bikes < 400cc are toys." "I ride since i was 10 years old..."

Noone wishes death or accidents to anyone here. Adults who act like schoolkids.

[KRS1]

dont like riding without a helmet, too much dust and bugs get into my eyes when im chasing down finos.

[Gary A]

I have a friend who rides a little Scoopy every day. It's a little more than a year old and has 22,000 kilometers on it. I told him that if he would promise to wear a helmet, I'd give him a decent one with a good face shield. He declined and told me he doesn't like helmets. I quizzed him about the big flying bugs and asked him if he ever got hit in the eye. He says he has hit a lot of them and they do hurt but has never gotten hit in the eye. This guy is about 65 years old. Maybe he has a death wish?

[BigBikeBKK]

I have a friend who rides a little Scoopy every day. It's a little more than a year old and has 22,000 kilometers on it. I told him that if he would promise to wear a helmet, I'd give him a decent one with a good face shield. He declined and told me he doesn't like helmets. I quizzed him about the big flying bugs and asked him if he ever got hit in the eye. He says he has hit a lot of them and they do hurt but has never gotten hit in the eye. This guy is about 65 years old. Maybe he has a death wish?

I must confess that when I'm just zipping down to the 7-11 on a scooter I often leave the helmet behind. I'm not going fast and I think the chances of an accident are pretty slim. (I actually worry more about getting hit by a car or bike when I WALK to the 7-11)...