UK pensions

[billd766]

1 hour ago, i claudius said:

You think Traitors like Blair and Idiots like Brown care? they just live out their lives in their luxuary homes ,far away from the chaos they caused .

but dont worry the "snowflakes" and the right on PC brigade will just blame us "baby boomers" for it .

 

Don't blame me as I am a true war baby, born in 1944 when my Dad was 54 and my Mum was 39.

 

No idea how old the milkman was though.

[i claudius]

23 hours ago, rockingrobin said:

 

Nothing preventing anybody setting up a petition to ask the government to hold a referendum on the issue of unfreezing oversees pension payments

dont know if you noticed but they tried this already and Blair fought right up to the European court of human rights to stop us getting the rises .

[nontabury]

4 hours ago, i claudius said:

dont know if you noticed but they tried this already and Blair fought right up to the European court of human rights to stop us getting the rises .

Correct,and the appeal was rejected by a panel of judges, and this  included judges who represent countries that do Not freeze their pensions. Yet for some strange reason thought fit to uphold the discriminatory policy of Tony WMD Blair.

[Flustered]

Going hand in glove with this and probably just as important is the NHS. Pension restrictions are widely reported and documented but the NHS is not.

 

You pay into the NHS your entire life, become a non resident and you still pay tax on your UK pensions above the allowance. Comes the time you need something and it's "You have no ties to the UK so sorry, hurry up and die".

 

I think the NHS is more important than the pension issue. As a life long contributor and a current tax payer, you should be entitled to NHS treatment. After all millions who never pay a penny into it use it. (including the Nigerian woman in transit who had twins and cost the NHS over £350,000)

[evadgib]

This 'frozen' lark can and will be challenged again post brexit if HMG fail to include the rest of the world in any deal favouring Brits currently living in the EU. In the unlikely event that they too become 'frozen' (I can't see HMG getting away with that!) we (consortium etc) can sit on our arrses for two decades while they commence legal proceedings; reversing their attitude towards our plight to date.

 

I realize of course that not everyone has two decades to spare but TBH I believe it'll be sorted during the divorce, and that HMG will try to do it without Sun readers ('MY' taxes?) noticing.

Edited March 13, 2017 by evadgib

[rockingrobin]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

This 'frozen' lark can and will be challenged again post brexit if HMG fail to include the rest of the world in any deal favouring Brits currently living in the EU. In the unlikely event that they too become 'frozen' (I can't see HMG getting away with that!) we (consortium etc) can sit on our arrses for two decades while they commence legal proceedings; reversing their attitude towards our plight to date.

 

I realize of course that not everyone has two decades to spare but TBH I believe it'll be sorted during the divorce, and that HMG will try to do it without Sun readers ('MY' taxes?) noticing.

Assuming post Brexit any uprating to UK  pensioners in the EU is achieved by an agreement, I fail to see how such a legal challenge has merit.

In reality the challenge would be to deny the UKs sovereign ability to make independent agreements with other sovereign states. It would be saying that because the UK has made an agreement with the EU,  then it is forced to replicate it worldwide irrespective  of its wishes.

[nong38]

I see the National Living wage is going up to 7.50 an hour from next month, jolly good news for who?

What is an average working week now, 35 hours? Thats 262.50 a lot more than my pension and likely yours as well, so I can only reason that UK Pensioners and a living wage are somewhat detached, almost all UK pensioners must be living on an amount less than the LIving Wage, how can that be? How can that be right? How can a Government and society have allowed this to happen? And whilst the National Living Wage will no doubt increase with each year that goes by its apparently acceptable for Pensioners who choose to move abroad to certain destinations not increase their pensions, how can that be justified?

[nong38]

The Brexit Bill has passed through Parliament, whilst we wait for the Queens cross we also watch the exchange rate and see what happens, hoping for the arrow to go north.

[theoldgit]

Going hand in glove with this and probably just as important is the NHS. Pension restrictions are widely reported and documented but the NHS is not.

This thread is about pensions not access to the NHS, whilst that issue is of course important to many of us, it's been discussed at length in other threads, and of course in the media.
Please keep this thread on topic.

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been removed.   The World News Section is a better place for political discussions and there is at least one running on Scottish Independence.  

[Goldpanner]

The whole system is buggered when they have to give out Pension Credit to top up Pensions. But I'll take it !

[billd766]

On 14/03/2017 at 7:14 AM, nong38 said:

The Brexit Bill has passed through Parliament, whilst we wait for the Queens cross we also watch the exchange rate and see what happens, hoping for the arrow to go north.

 

Like a rocket ship I hope.

[nong38]

American interest rates have just gone up, the Queen has signed the bill for the UK to leave the EU and although the BOE monetary committee has left interest rates as they are one member voted to raise them and the pound has moved up slightly. With inflation in the UK on the rise the pressure for a rate rise is mounting which will be good for the pound and good for our exchange rates. lets hope we have passed the bottom of the trough and are on our way back.

It is also helpful that "Wee Jimmie Kranky" will not get a referendum vote and we can go straight into the withdrawal from the EU talks and the smoke begins to clear.

[NoshowJones]

On 3/7/2017 at 0:49 PM, Rajab Al Zarahni said:

This is nothing more than an overly clever argument often cited by government or its agencies.

The fact that the government have spent my contributions on paying someone else's pension does not make me less entitled, rather it confirms that the NI fund has simply been plundered by the government to suit whatever short term objective it had at the time. 

I give you a "like".

[evadgib]

Of interest to younger Brits:

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-39352654

[david555]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-pensioners-spain-worry-brexit-111712996.html

[evadgib]

 

Edited March 23, 2017 by evadgib

[nontabury]

5 hours ago, david555 said:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-pensioners-spain-worry-brexit-111712996.html

Two things struck me in this article.

 

The  difference in pensions between a British pensioner and Spanish pensioner.

 

The pensioners living in Spain are worried that their pension will deminish.

well then they'll know what it's like for us in Thailand. Hopefully they will now support us. 

[david555]

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

Two things struck me in this article.

 

The  difference in pensions between a British pensioner and Spanish pensioner.

 

The pensioners living in Spain are worried that their pension will diminish.

well then they'll know what it's like for us in Thailand. Hopefully they will now support us. 

many E.U. country's have different systems for pensions ..., Spanish ones are even lower than ours , The Netherlands have also a diminishing pension % when living abroad , my country not , we even get the same % as in home country when annual costs of living rise ,only proof of life we must bring regular times ..,and when put foot on home territory we are total insured for health care   no waiting period ,but nothing in Thailand when sick or hospitalized

[robertthebruce]

 

 

I am led to believe that the UK Pension will increase 2 1/2 Percent ??....

 

always something, not to be sniffed at.....

[Rajab Al Zarahni]

15 minutes ago, robertthebruce said:

 

 

I am led to believe that the UK Pension will increase 2 1/2 Percent ??....

 

always something, not to be sniffed at.....

Yes, a good rate of increase, especially when compared to the poor wage rises in recent years for those in employment.

However, the increase emphasises further the measure of grievance felt by those whose pensions are frozen, simply for reason of where they live

Edited March 23, 2017 by Rajab Al Zarahni

[Eff1n2ret]

12 hours ago, Rajab Al Zarahni said:

Yes, a good rate of increase, especially when compared to the poor wage rises in recent years for those in employment.

However, the increase emphasises further the measure of grievance felt by those whose pensions are frozen, simply for reason of where they live

Not in any way seeking to justify this disgraceful anomaly, but it is perhaps a small consolation that we are exempt from the iniquity of council tax. I couldn't resist a grim smile when I read in one of the dailies this week a letter from a pensioner who had received the notices of his pension and council tax increases together, and worked out that after payment of the latter he would be 80p a week better off.

[nong38]

22 hours ago, evadgib said:

 

The history of all political parties is support the expat pensioners cause whilst in opposition only to change their stance once they get into power so although this good news we will have to wait and see and that might be a long time, Labour wont win the next election and the one after that is 8 years away!

[nong38]

Well what do you or I know!!

Jeremy Corbyn is bringing a debate to the House next week supported by Roger Gale and various other MPs to have expat Overseas Pensions un frozen!!

This seem to have blown onto the stage with  the 472,000 UK pensioners in the EU and what to do with regard to their pensions and the UK leaving the EU.

The article is there for all to read in the Daily Mail's Money section............www,thisismoney.co.uk

 

Let us hope that it is a successful outcome for us all.

[i claudius]

1 hour ago, nong38 said:

Well what do you or I know!!

Jeremy Corbyn is bringing a debate to the House next week supported by Roger Gale and various other MPs to have expat Overseas Pensions un frozen!!

This seem to have blown onto the stage with  the 472,000 UK pensioners in the EU and what to do with regard to their pensions and the UK leaving the EU.

The article is there for all to read in the Daily Mail's Money section............www,thisismoney.co.uk

 

Let us hope that it is a successful outcome for us all.

IT would be really good if this were to come about ,but with Corbyn leading the call i will not be holding my breath ,on this subject my glass is always half empty , they would much prefer to give the money to other country's or to immegrants who contribute f all to Britain , we have given them our money and are now of no use and irrelevant .

[evadgib]

2 hours ago, nong38 said:

Well what do you or I know!!

Jeremy Corbyn is bringing a debate to the House next week supported by Roger Gale and various other MPs to have expat Overseas Pensions un frozen!!

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/pensions/article-4346478/Jeremy-Corbyn-backs-vote-unfreeze-expat-state-pensions.html

 

Checkout the comments section to see how badly this is perceived by our fellow countrymen 

Edited March 25, 2017 by evadgib

[nong38]

The comment section is truly appalling  to the issue, I wonder if they were to feel the same if your pension was decided by you resided in the UK, London weighting bring back any memories?

Corbyn for all his faults does see the injustice and if he can muster enough support to make pension paid the same wherever you decide to live well I take my hat off to him.  Whatever I think and you say it all speculation, we must wait and hope for good outcome next week, keep watching Hansard for when it takes place. What we need is a debate and vote and for it not be talked out and I gather that the MP's pensions have been scaled down somewhat so lets hope we have a sympathy vote coming our way.

[rak sa_ngop]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-pensioners-spain-worry-brexit-111712996.html

If 100,000 pensioners were to return to the UK from non EU countries it could cost the NHS 700 million pounds in extra health costs.

This figure is based on something I read a few years ago i.e. the average cost of NHS health provisions for retirees is about 7,000 GBP a year, if I remembered correctly.

The govt should be paying retirees extra pension money to retire overseas and cover their own health costs!!!!!

Instead they are doing the opposite.

[rockingrobin]

2 minutes ago, rak sa_ngop said:

If 100,000 pensioners were to return to the UK from non EU countries it could cost the NHS 700 million pounds in extra health costs.

This figure is based on something I read a few years ago i.e. the average cost of NHS health provisions for retirees is about 7,000 GBP a year, if I remembered correctly.

The govt should be paying retirees extra pension money to retire overseas and cover their own health costs!!!!!

Instead they are doing the opposite.

British expat pensioners in Spain, healthcare costs are covered by the UK via S1 certificate

[Oxx]

5 minutes ago, rak sa_ngop said:

If 100,000 pensioners were to return to the UK from non EU countries it could cost the NHS 700 million pounds in extra health costs.

 

But the government doesn't care about the cost.  If it did it would close the loophole whereby Latvians and Estonians (for example) can fly into the UK for one day, get an EHIC card, and then get free (or heavily subsidised) medical treatment back in their home countries, the UK taxpayer picking up the bill.