2012 Formula One Season

[Mosha]

I just heard on BBC Sport Sebastian Vettel has agreed to move to Ferrari in time for the 2014 season. To join Alonso

[carmine]

I just heard on BBC Sport Sebastian Vettel has agreed to move to Ferrari in time for the 2014 season. To join Alonso

Thats potentially fantastic for F1. Presumably with no team order rubbish as seen by Ferrari in the not too distant past.

[tinfoilhat]

I just heard on BBC Sport Sebastian Vettel has agreed to move to Ferrari in time for the 2014 season. To join Alonso

Thats potentially fantastic for F1. Presumably with no team order rubbish as seen by Ferrari in the not too distant past.

and Luca has denied it saying 2 cocks is the last thing ferrari needs

http://planetf1.com/...-Ferrari-Claims

Edited October 16, 2012 by tinfoilhat

[Mosha]

Well BBC are still reporting it. No mention of Luca's statement

[ignis]

I just heard on BBC Sport Sebastian Vettel has agreed to move to Ferrari in time for the 2014 season. To join Alonso

Thats potentially fantastic for F1. Presumably with no team order rubbish as seen by Ferrari in the not too distant past.

Like last weekend, pit to Massa radio, keep station 2 seconds behind Alonso

[F1fanatic]

I just heard on BBC Sport Sebastian Vettel has agreed to move to Ferrari in time for the 2014 season. To join Alonso

Thats potentially fantastic for F1. Presumably with no team order rubbish as seen by Ferrari in the not too distant past.

and Luca has denied it saying 2 cocks is the last thing ferrari needs

http://planetf1.com/...-Ferrari-Claims

Exactly. It seems extremely unlikely to me that any team boss would want 2 prima donnas in their team!

[dogpoo]

Boring F1 where the start is the only interesting part!! Lewis Hamilton going to Mercedes next year, a has been from now on, yawn!! Still love to watch it though!!

The best F1 years are long gone where Shumacher and Damon Hill fought neck and neck, bring that sort of racing back!!

Edited October 16, 2012 by dogpoo

[dogpoo]

Just saw this. Grosjean helping Räikkönen with the title.

http://i.imgur.com/V...

Yes he is not fit to drive F1. But thats the thing isn't it, he's just totally incompetant.

Atleast when Michael schumacher used to take out the opposition it was completely intentional and he knew what he was doing in a car!

But since returning must have thought things have changed and now does it the Grosjean way

Well lets just say that if he wasn't Schumacher and driving for ferrari in '97 he would have had his super license recinded and banned for a year or possibly for life for the Villeneuve incident which is without question the most disgraceful behaviour from a driver in the thirty odd years i've been watching F1. deliberately trying to force another driver into a brick wall at 150mph!. There is NO place in motorsport for that. If that was a youngster in a small team that would have been the end of his F1 career and rightly so.

i don't need to mention his other discretions, as many as there are because that one alone should have resulted in a life ban and i wouldn't have blamed Villeneuve for giving him a pasting in the paddock.

This is one of the reasons he's vilified in a number of cicles within the sport and will never be accepted as a great, merely a very good driver and a tainted champion without an ounce of sportsmanship in him.

My more recent concerns with him being off the pace was more of the danger he would represent to other drivers and when you add clowns like Grosgean into the equation its a scary prospect

Such a shame that a driver with so much talent is so badly flawed

Shumacher is a cheat and a Dangerous cheat to boot, it's good for the sport that he is now leaving as a loser, F1 is becoming boring with so many rules, every year there are just 3 or 4 teams with the opportunity to win the championship, all the other teams are just there! Now Hamilton is joining a team which has no chance of ever challenging for the championship, the sport will be very boring with Red Bull and Ferrari maybe Mclaren the only teams with a chance of glory!! F1 is a very dangerous sport but the rules have ruined it, bring back aggressive but safe racing!!

Why has Hamilton left Mclaren when Button is so inferior to him, I think Hamilton is fed up with a top team not giving him the car to win often, he has a gorgeous gf so all is not lost!! I hope he can turn Mercedes around and stick 2 fingers up to McLaren!!

[ignis]

Why has Hamilton left Mclaren when Button is so inferior to him, I think Hamilton is fed up with a top team not giving him the car to win often, he has a gorgeous gf so all is not lost!! I hope he can turn Mercedes around and stick 2 fingers up to McLaren!!

I would think money... new contract at Mclaren with less money or move to Mercedes at get even more money,,,,,,, if your not in a winning car might as well get the highest paid job..

Other driver have lost [in the past] are loosing there seat because they are not bringing money to the Team.

[tinfoilhat]

Yes he is not fit to drive F1. But thats the thing isn't it, he's just totally incompetant.

Atleast when Michael schumacher used to take out the opposition it was completely intentional and he knew what he was doing in a car!

But since returning must have thought things have changed and now does it the Grosjean way

Well lets just say that if he wasn't Schumacher and driving for ferrari in '97 he would have had his super license recinded and banned for a year or possibly for life for the Villeneuve incident which is without question the most disgraceful behaviour from a driver in the thirty odd years i've been watching F1. deliberately trying to force another driver into a brick wall at 150mph!. There is NO place in motorsport for that. If that was a youngster in a small team that would have been the end of his F1 career and rightly so.

i don't need to mention his other discretions, as many as there are because that one alone should have resulted in a life ban and i wouldn't have blamed Villeneuve for giving him a pasting in the paddock.

This is one of the reasons he's vilified in a number of cicles within the sport and will never be accepted as a great, merely a very good driver and a tainted champion without an ounce of sportsmanship in him.

My more recent concerns with him being off the pace was more of the danger he would represent to other drivers and when you add clowns like Grosgean into the equation its a scary prospect

Such a shame that a driver with so much talent is so badly flawed

Shumacher is a cheat and a Dangerous cheat to boot, it's good for the sport that he is now leaving as a loser, F1 is becoming boring with so many rules, every year there are just 3 or 4 teams with the opportunity to win the championship, all the other teams are just there! Now Hamilton is joining a team which has no chance of ever challenging for the championship, the sport will be very boring with Red Bull and Ferrari maybe Mclaren the only teams with a chance of glory!! F1 is a very dangerous sport but the rules have ruined it, bring back aggressive but safe racing!!

Why has Hamilton left Mclaren when Button is so inferior to him, I think Hamilton is fed up with a top team not giving him the car to win often, he has a gorgeous gf so all is not lost!! I hope he can turn Mercedes around and stick 2 fingers up to McLaren!!

Jessica makes Nicloe look like a leathery old boot.

there is something off about Hamilton. He is a likeability vacuum and generally a personality void who spits the dummy at least every other race meeting.

I will enjoy watching him mid-pack

[KeyserSoze01]

Massa has been resigned to a 1 year deal for Ferrari. Seems his finishing in the top 5 in 4 of the last 5 races has saved his bacon.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/8169046/Ferrari-Stick-With-Improving-Massa

[carmine]

I just heard on BBC Sport Sebastian Vettel has agreed to move to Ferrari in time for the 2014 season. To join Alonso

Thats potentially fantastic for F1. Presumably with no team order rubbish as seen by Ferrari in the not too distant past.

and Luca has denied it saying 2 cocks is the last thing ferrari needs

http://planetf1.com/...-Ferrari-Claims

Exactly. It seems extremely unlikely to me that any team boss would want 2 prima donnas in their team!

What as in the best two drivers slugging it out in a similar car? I think that would be exciting. I'd certainly rather see that than a dangerous cheat who drives other drivers into brick walls and off the track when he's being beaten and has a team partner that isn't allowed to beat him.

[rixalex]

Jessica makes Nicloe look like a leathery old boot.

I have to say, neither particularly do it for me.

[tinfoilhat]

that has to be the worst picture of jessica i have ever seen, though she still has in spades over the pic of ronald mcdonald beside her

[rixalex]

there is something off about Hamilton. He is a likeability vacuum and generally a personality void who spits the dummy at least every other race meeting.

I will enjoy watching him mid-pack

We all have those we like, those we dislike, and i certainly understand those who dislike Hamilton, as he has made a right royal prick of himself at times this season with all the tweeting nonsense. For me though, Alonso is still a bigger diva. Vettel has started to show signs of precociousness too, and i have to admit i do find the one finger celebration with the pit-to-radio shouts of "now that's what i'm talking about!!!", is wearing a bit thin on me... but whatever i think of all three of them, in terms of their personalities, i do recognise they are the three best drivers in the world right now, by quite a margin - a fact acknowledged by pretty much everyone within F1 - and as such, for me anyway, i want to see the three best drivers all in competitive cars, fighting it out at the front of the grid. No matter how much i dislike Alonso, i don't want to see him poodling around at the back of the pack in a Caterham. Do you?

Regarding Hamilton's move to Mercedes, contrary to some people's belief, i don't think it really had much to do with money. Although McClaren were offering less salary, the way these drivers get paid is a lot more complicated than simply how much the team pay them, and at the end of the day, these guys are already very rich and if they go to a team that has no chance of winning, ultimately they are going to lose money because the best sponsorship deals are for those drivers who win. I think the decision had more to do with a need for Hamilton to have a fresh start. He has, as i said above, done some stupid things this season, and the team as well, has made some stupid tactical decisions and made some silly errors (putting in not enough fuel in qualifying being one recent example) since Ron Dennis stepped down, so i think the time was right for a change and a new challenge. It might take a couple of years but i do think Mercedes are heading in the right direction. It will certainly be fascinating seeing how Hamilton and Rosberg match up against each other. I suspect Rosberg will provide a greater challenge to him than Button has done, partly because Rosberg has been with the team quite a while, and also because i think Rosberg is a slightly better driver.

Regarding the last race, i have to say that Hamilton running around with all that grass was one of the funniest things i have seen in F1 since Massa had that "elephant nose" attached. A certainty to be one of those "what happened next" questions on Question of Sport in a few years!

Looks like Vettel is going to be a hard man for Alonso to beat. I hope it goes down to the last race.

[rixalex]

that has to be the worst picture of jessica i have ever seen, though she still has in spades over the pic of ronald mcdonald beside her

I am usually a real sucker for Japanese girls, but i just don't see it with Jessica - perhaps because with her mixed ancestry, she doesn't actually look Japanese. Nicole's not my type either - not that of course she would give me the time of day anyway! - but i must admit i do enjoy her "curves", if you know what i mean.

[Sophon]

Why has Hamilton left Mclaren when Button is so inferior to him, I think Hamilton is fed up with a top team not giving him the car to win often, he has a gorgeous gf so all is not lost!! I hope he can turn Mercedes around and stick 2 fingers up to McLaren!!

If Button is so inferior to Hamilton, then why has Hamilton only managed to outscore him by a total of 5 points over the three seasons they have been in the same car?

Granted, Hamilton has more raw speed than Button especially if the car is not perfectly balanced, but he also makes lots of stupid and immature decisions. Racing is about more than just speed, you have to finish the race to score points.

Sophon

[tinfoilhat]

there is something off about Hamilton. He is a likeability vacuum and generally a personality void who spits the dummy at least every other race meeting.

I will enjoy watching him mid-pack

We all have those we like, those we dislike, and i certainly understand those who dislike Hamilton, as he has made a right royal prick of himself at times this season with all the tweeting nonsense. For me though, Alonso is still a bigger diva. Vettel has started to show signs of precociousness too, and i have to admit i do find the one finger celebration with the pit-to-radio shouts of "now that's what i'm talking about!!!", is wearing a bit thin on me... but whatever i think of all three of them, in terms of their personalities, i do recognise they are the three best drivers in the world right now, by quite a margin - a fact acknowledged by pretty much everyone within F1 - and as such, for me anyway, i want to see the three best drivers all in competitive cars, fighting it out at the front of the grid. No matter how much i dislike Alonso, i don't want to see him poodling around at the back of the pack in a Caterham. Do you?

Regarding Hamilton's move to Mercedes, contrary to some people's belief, i don't think it really had much to do with money. Although McClaren were offering less salary, the way these drivers get paid is a lot more complicated than simply how much the team pay them, and at the end of the day, these guys are already very rich and if they go to a team that has no chance of winning, ultimately they are going to lose money because the best sponsorship deals are for those drivers who win. I think the decision had more to do with a need for Hamilton to have a fresh start. He has, as i said above, done some stupid things this season, and the team as well, has made some stupid tactical decisions and made some silly errors (putting in not enough fuel in qualifying being one recent example) since Ron Dennis stepped down, so i think the time was right for a change and a new challenge. It might take a couple of years but i do think Mercedes are heading in the right direction. It will certainly be fascinating seeing how Hamilton and Rosberg match up against each other. I suspect Rosberg will provide a greater challenge to him than Button has done, partly because Rosberg has been with the team quite a while, and also because i think Rosberg is a slightly better driver.

Regarding the last race, i have to say that Hamilton running around with all that grass was one of the funniest things i have seen in F1 since Massa had that "elephant nose" attached. A certainty to be one of those "what happened next" questions on Question of Sport in a few years!

Looks like Vettel is going to be a hard man for Alonso to beat. I hope it goes down to the last race.

i admit i loved the astroturf moment

[rixalex]

Why has Hamilton left Mclaren when Button is so inferior to him, I think Hamilton is fed up with a top team not giving him the car to win often, he has a gorgeous gf so all is not lost!! I hope he can turn Mercedes around and stick 2 fingers up to McLaren!!

If Button is so inferior to Hamilton, then why has Hamilton only managed to outscore him by a total of 5 points over the three seasons they have been in the same car?

Granted, Hamilton has more raw speed than Button especially if the car is not perfectly balanced, but he also makes lots of stupid and immature decisions. Racing is about more than just speed, you have to finish the race to score points.

Sophon

You are right, in terms of mistakes, Lewis does make a few more than Button, but mistakes are things you can work on and eliminate. Raw speed on the other hand, is something you either have or you don't have. Qualifying tells you all you need to know on that score. In a way, it's a much purer test of a driver's ability than the actual race, because quite a lot of the time, a driver's race isn't determined by how well they drive, but by factors often outside of their control, like whether the car has a mechanical failure, how well the team make tactical decisions, how well the team perform pit stops, or.whether they get driven into by another driver on the track. Over the course of a season, obviously these things should balance themselves out, but they don't always. Sometimes drivers are just downright unlucky. Not saying that Lewis has been. Just saying that simply comparing points scored doesn't always give you the full picture with regards how good a driver is.

[dogpoo]

Why has Hamilton left Mclaren when Button is so inferior to him, I think Hamilton is fed up with a top team not giving him the car to win often, he has a gorgeous gf so all is not lost!! I hope he can turn Mercedes around and stick 2 fingers up to McLaren!!

If Button is so inferior to Hamilton, then why has Hamilton only managed to outscore him by a total of 5 points over the three seasons they have been in the same car?

Granted, Hamilton has more raw speed than Button especially if the car is not perfectly balanced, but he also makes lots of stupid and immature decisions. Racing is about more than just speed, you have to finish the race to score points.

Sophon

Who is the more exciting racer Hamilton or Button, never a dull moment with Lewis, Button way to sensible and a very boring racer to watch, F1 should be about excitement and not have a yawn factor!!

[F1fanatic]

Why has Hamilton left Mclaren when Button is so inferior to him, I think Hamilton is fed up with a top team not giving him the car to win often, he has a gorgeous gf so all is not lost!! I hope he can turn Mercedes around and stick 2 fingers up to McLaren!!

If Button is so inferior to Hamilton, then why has Hamilton only managed to outscore him by a total of 5 points over the three seasons they have been in the same car?

Granted, Hamilton has more raw speed than Button especially if the car is not perfectly balanced, but he also makes lots of stupid and immature decisions. Racing is about more than just speed, you have to finish the race to score points.

Sophon

You are right, in terms of mistakes, Lewis does make a few more than Button, but mistakes are things you can work on and eliminate. Raw speed on the other hand, is something you either have or you don't have. Qualifying tells you all you need to know on that score. In a way, it's a much purer test of a driver's ability than the actual race, because quite a lot of the time, a driver's race isn't determined by how well they drive, but by factors often outside of their control, like whether the car has a mechanical failure, how well the team make tactical decisions, how well the team perform pit stops, or.whether they get driven into by another driver on the track. Over the course of a season, obviously these things should balance themselves out, but they don't always. Sometimes drivers are just downright unlucky. Not saying that Lewis has been. Just saying that simply comparing points scored doesn't always give you the full picture with regards how good a driver is.

I too doubt Hamilton is moving to Merc for the money, but suspect that the relationship between him and McLaren has broken down.

IMO Hamilton tends to be immature and I think this is the reason for his move to Merc. Rather than deciding to work out his problems with the team, he thought 'sod you' and signed a contract with a team that is one of the 'best of the rest' teams, as no seats were available at either RB or Ferrari. This is just my opinion of course, and its also possible that the relationship is SO bad that it was unbearable.

Unfortunately, Merc has been a v poor team for the last 3 years, and going downhill fast this season! It seems unlikely that they will dramatically improve next season, but nobody knows - perhaps they will.

I'm not convinced that quali tells us everything we need to know about a driver, as racecraft is hugely important. Some drivers are v good at quali, whilst being unable to continue the pace in the race. The 'Trulli train' springs to mind.

[rixalex]

I'm not convinced that quali tells us everything we need to know about a driver, as racecraft is hugely important. Some drivers are v good at quali, whilst being unable to continue the pace in the race. The 'Trulli train' springs to mind.

Of course the most important thing is how you do on a Sunday, and i'm not questioning that, nor the skills that are required in terms of race craft that aren't needed for qualifying. My point was, looking at stats for let's say, how many points a driver has scored, compared with another driver, doesn't always give us the full picture in terms of how well they have driven. Certainly not if one of them has been blighted with mechanical failures not of their making. Qualifying stats on the other hand, whilst unable to tell us much or anything about racecraft, do tell us pretty purely about how fast a driver is, and how well they can drive the car, and usually have nothing to do with team tactics, car reliability etc.

[rixalex]

IMO Hamilton tends to be immature and I think this is the reason for his move to Merc. Rather than deciding to work out his problems with the team, he thought 'sod you' and signed a contract with a team that is one of the 'best of the rest' teams, as no seats were available at either RB or Ferrari. This is just my opinion of course, and its also possible that the relationship is SO bad that it was unbearable.

Unfortunately, Merc has been a v poor team for the last 3 years, and going downhill fast this season! It seems unlikely that they will dramatically improve next season, but nobody knows - perhaps they will.

At the end of the day, there are no guarantees with any team a driver goes to. It's not like they can step into the car tomorrow when they sign. They have to wait for almost a year, and in that time, the entire order can be shuffled up. We are used to RB being on top now, but a few years ago, who knew them as an F1 team and who would have been rushing to sign for them instead of signing for McClaren? Nobody. Same with Brawn. The year before they ran away with the title, who would have predicted what happened there? And it wasn't that long ago that Williams were winning every year and every driver wanted to drive for them. Doesn't take long to go from a top team to one near the back.

Drivers just have to take a punt and hope they make the right (or the lucky) moves in their career. There are many drivers throughout F1 history who had all the talent but never had the car, or been in the wrong car at the wrong time. In recent times, one of my favourites who suffered in this way was Jean Alesi. In 1991 he had the choice of Ferrari or Williams, and went to Ferrari, in what looked like would be a very good car, but it was the beginning of a disastrous spell for Ferrari, and a great spell for Williams. Hindsight is oh such a wonderful thing...

Edited October 17, 2012 by rixalex

[F1fanatic]

I'm not convinced that quali tells us everything we need to know about a driver, as racecraft is hugely important. Some drivers are v good at quali, whilst being unable to continue the pace in the race. The 'Trulli train' springs to mind.

Of course the most important thing is how you do on a Sunday, and i'm not questioning that, nor the skills that are required in terms of race craft that aren't needed for qualifying. My point was, looking at stats for let's say, how many points a driver has scored, compared with another driver, doesn't always give us the full picture in terms of how well they have driven. Certainly not if one of them has been blighted with mechanical failures not of their making. Qualifying stats on the other hand, whilst unable to tell us much or anything about racecraft, do tell us pretty purely about how fast a driver is, and how well they can drive the car, and usually have nothing to do with team tactics, car reliability etc.

Obviously, I agree with you about points not telling the whole story ! But I go back to the 'Trulli train'. Trulli was a brilliant qualifier, but never able to deliver that same one lap speed over a number of laps in the race.

[F1fanatic]

Massa has been resigned to a 1 year deal for Ferrari. Seems his finishing in the top 5 in 4 of the last 5 races has saved his bacon.

http://www.planetf1....Improving-Massa

It would be nice if Massa is able to continue his run of good drives.

His performance pre-accident was erratic, and post-accident had just been consistently bad.

Personally, I'm hoping that he has regained his confidence and will continue to do well.

[rixalex]

Massa has been resigned to a 1 year deal for Ferrari. Seems his finishing in the top 5 in 4 of the last 5 races has saved his bacon.

http://www.planetf1....Improving-Massa

It would be nice if Massa is able to continue his run of good drives.

His performance pre-accident was erratic, and post-accident had just been consistently bad.

Personally, I'm hoping that he has regained his confidence and will continue to do well.

Personally i think we have seen enough of Massa by now to know he is nothing more than an average driver, and i think it's a shame when an average driver is given one of the best seats, as we, the spectators, are denied the chance to see a great driver in a great car. Still, Ferrari already have one great driver and with their kind of philosophy, that is the way clearly they prefer things. Will be very surprised if the Alonso / Vettel pairing ever happens... pleasantly surprised. Think it would be great for F1. Potentially would be great for either Alonso or Vettel, depending on who came out on top. Just a case of whether they are brave enough to pit their wits against each other...

[F1fanatic]

Massa has been resigned to a 1 year deal for Ferrari. Seems his finishing in the top 5 in 4 of the last 5 races has saved his bacon.

http://www.planetf1....Improving-Massa

It would be nice if Massa is able to continue his run of good drives.

His performance pre-accident was erratic, and post-accident had just been consistently bad.

Personally, I'm hoping that he has regained his confidence and will continue to do well.

Personally i think we have seen enough of Massa by now to know he is nothing more than an average driver, and i think it's a shame when an average driver is given one of the best seats, as we, the spectators, are denied the chance to see a great driver in a great car. Still, Ferrari already have one great driver and with their kind of philosophy, that is the way clearly they prefer things. Will be very surprised if the Alonso / Vettel pairing ever happens... pleasantly surprised. Think it would be great for F1. Potentially would be great for either Alonso or Vettel, depending on who came out on top. Just a case of whether they are brave enough to pit their wits against each other...

Massa almost won the WDC in 2008 - so I don't agree that he's just an average driver!

He is erratic and, since his accident, lacking in confidence - resulting in below average drives.

[rixalex]

Massa has been resigned to a 1 year deal for Ferrari. Seems his finishing in the top 5 in 4 of the last 5 races has saved his bacon.

http://www.planetf1....Improving-Massa

It would be nice if Massa is able to continue his run of good drives.

His performance pre-accident was erratic, and post-accident had just been consistently bad.

Personally, I'm hoping that he has regained his confidence and will continue to do well.

Personally i think we have seen enough of Massa by now to know he is nothing more than an average driver, and i think it's a shame when an average driver is given one of the best seats, as we, the spectators, are denied the chance to see a great driver in a great car. Still, Ferrari already have one great driver and with their kind of philosophy, that is the way clearly they prefer things. Will be very surprised if the Alonso / Vettel pairing ever happens... pleasantly surprised. Think it would be great for F1. Potentially would be great for either Alonso or Vettel, depending on who came out on top. Just a case of whether they are brave enough to pit their wits against each other...

Massa almost won the WDC in 2008 - so I don't agree that he's just an average driver!

He is erratic and, since his accident, lacking in confidence - resulting in below average drives.

In 2008 he was almost gifted the title by Hamilton/McClaren making some silly errors. Ever since then, he hasn't won a single race or had a single pole. Even taking into account the effects of his accident, he should have done better in my opinion, and should be consistently within at least a tenth or two of Alonso to be considered as doing well. Usually he is more like half a second slower. Think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

[F1fanatic]

You're probably right about agreeing to disagree, but I would like to make a couple more points.

Don't forget that Massa beat Kimi in '08 and had performed a lot better than Kimi in his pre-accident final season. Few think Kimi is a below average driver. But I agree that he was almost gifted '08 by McLaren/Hamilton.

I also agree that he should have performed better since his accident, but he has performed SO much better over the last few races and, if allowed to race, would probably have beaten Alonso last race.

Which is why I'm hoping it was a loss of confidence issue caused by the accident and the "Fernando is faster than you" pit message - and that he will now start to fight again.

[rixalex]

Don't forget that Massa beat Kimi in '08 and had performed a lot better than Kimi in his pre-accident final season. Few think Kimi is a below average driver. But I agree that he was almost gifted '08 by McLaren/Hamilton.

That is true, but Kimi, for whatever reason, really seemed to have "checked-out" in those seasons you mention. He just didn't seem to care about F1 back then.