Claiming Child Benefit In The Uk

[TommoPhysicist]

Was thinking of taking the kids to the UK for a visit, somehow I got to be reading about Child Benefit.

It isn't actually a benefit, but is paid to anyone with children.

Looking through the form the only iffy question for the claimant was.

'Do you normally reside in the UK'

Now they aren't asking if the kids normally live there, but if I normally live there.

They do ask to see the childrens passports if they were born outside the UK (to check nationality)

My definition of 'normally' would be most of the time.

As I have spent 53 years in the UK and 3 years out of the UK, then logically, I 'normally' live in the UK.

There seems to be no request for you to notify anyone if you and the children subsequently leave the UK, just that you have a UK bank account for them to pay the money.

What do you think?

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/forms/ch2-online.pdf

[robblok]

I think you know yourself your not eligible but try to bend the rules to justify putting in false information.

[TommoPhysicist]

I think you know yourself your not eligible but try to bend the rules to justify putting in false information.

How would I be putting in false information.

If they wanted to know if I 'currently' live in the UK, they should ask that.

20.30UKP for the first child, 13.40UKP for the second per week

1,600bht/week is worth having.

[7by7]

From Child Benefit if you're living or working abroad

You usually have to live in the UK to get Child Benefit. But you may qualify if you live in another European country, are a Crown Servant posted overseas, or leave the UK for a short time.

You live or work in any country outside Europe

Unless you're a Crown servant posted abroad, you can’t get Child Benefit if you live or work in a country outside the EEA, or Switzerland. For the list of EEA countries, see the section 'You live in another European country' above. But if your child is staying in the UK and someone else becomes responsible for them, that person might want to claim Child Benefit.

The form may not ask if you live abroad or not, but it does ask for your address. If you put a UK address you are saying that you live in the UK when you don't. If you do this then you are giving false information to obtain a public fund; which is fraud.

[TommoPhysicist]

The form may not ask if you live abroad or not, but it does ask for your address. If you put a UK address you are saying that you live in the UK when you don't. If you do this then you are giving false information to obtain a public fund; which is fraud.

I read it as they are asking for my address in the UK.

I have an address in the UK, and would therefore be quite correct in giving that address.

[robblok]

The form may not ask if you live abroad or not, but it does ask for your address. If you put a UK address you are saying that you live in the UK when you don't. If you do this then you are giving false information to obtain a public fund; which is fraud.

I read it as they are asking for my address in the UK.

I have an address in the UK, and would therefore be quite correct in giving that address.

An other scammer trying to justify his interpretation of the law to get a few baht.

[TommoPhysicist]

An other scammer trying to justify his interpretation of the law to get a few baht.

So your POV is

Ask not what you can claim from your country, ask what they can claim from you.

[edwinchester]

If your current fulltime residence is in UK then you're normally resident there.

If your fulltime residence is in Thailand then you are currently normally resident in Thailand.

Simple:-)

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[harryfrompattaya]

The form may not ask if you live abroad or not, but it does ask for your address. If you put a UK address you are saying that you live in the UK when you don't. If you do this then you are giving false information to obtain a public fund; which is fraud.

I read it as they are asking for my address in the UK.

I have an address in the UK, and would therefore be quite correct in giving that address.

You must need money really bad to commit fraud. I suggest you go to Church and ask God to forgive you. PS if you need money that bad I will glad to give you free money to save your soul.

Go with God and be happy

[TommoPhysicist]

If your current fulltime residence is in UK then you're normally resident there.

If your fulltime residence is in Thailand then you are currently normally resident in Thailand.

Simple:-)

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That isn't the question they ask.

[robblok]

My POV is don't be an idiot. You know what you are doing is fraud but your trying to justify it by reading things in a way a normal person would not so that you can claim it even though you know you are wrong.

I would only claim from my country something that i am entitled too. When i lived there i hated the people leaching the system why would i turn into something i hated before. People abusing the system only make it harder on the people who are truly entitled to it.

[7by7]

The form may not ask if you live abroad or not, but it does ask for your address. If you put a UK address you are saying that you live in the UK when you don't. If you do this then you are giving false information to obtain a public fund; which is fraud.

I read it as they are asking for my address in the UK.

I have an address in the UK, and would therefore be quite correct in giving that address.

No, they want your residential address; where you live. Not an accommodation address you may use from time to time.

You obviously do not live in the UK, so you cannot claim child benefit. Attempting to convince HMRC that you do live in the UK in order to try and obtain child benefit would be fraud.

Child benefit was introduced when child tax allowances were abolished, so it is entirely logical that if you do not live in the UK, or at least pay UK tax, that you should not be entitled to it.

If you do pay UK tax, then I may have some sympathy for you position; but rules are rules.

[HardenedSoul]

You're taking the piss trying to claim it when you know full well you're not entitled to it . . .

[edwinchester]

If your current fulltime residence is in UK then you're normally resident there.

If your fulltime residence is in Thailand then you are currently normally resident in Thailand.

Simple:-)

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That isn't the question they ask.

Your interpretation of the question is different to mine then.

You said you are visiting the UK which suggests you are living in Thailand which means you're current normal residence is in Thailand.

I too maintain a UK address but my normal residence is currently Thailand.

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[TommoPhysicist]

Child benefit was introduced when child tax allowances were abolished, so it is entirely logical that if you do not live in the UK, or at least pay UK tax, that you should not be entitled to it.

If you do pay UK tax, then I may have some sympathy for you position; but rules are rules.

I thought

Child Tax Credit was introduced to replace child tax allowances.

Child Benefit was created to reward parents for creating new British citizens.

I do pay UK taxes, and when I go back I will certainly be entitled to claim Child Benefit for the period I am in the UK.

(Should I claim housing, unemployment, child tax credit, etc. I don't know but will consider depending on my length of stay)

@Edwin

Sorry, just to clarify, I normally live in the UK but am currently visiting my wife in Thailand.

Thai Immigration also assure me that I am only here as a visitor.

[7by7]

If your current fulltime residence is in UK then you're normally resident there.

If your fulltime residence is in Thailand then you are currently normally resident in Thailand.

Simple:-)

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That isn't the question they ask.

Q7. Your Address.

Q8. Have you lived at this address for more than 12 months?

Q14. Have you always lived in the UK?

Q15. Do you usually live in the UK?

Q16 Which country do you usually live in?

You should have read past Part 1 of the form!

[7by7]

Sorry, just to clarify, I normally live in the UK but am currently visiting my wife in Thailand.

Thai Immigration also assure me that I am only here as a visitor.

You previous posts certainly gave the impression that you live in Thailand, as does the topic title; perhaps you should have been clearer to begin with.

You usually cannot claim for children if they do not normally live with you, and the form does ask where they normally live.

[TommoPhysicist]

The kids are too young for them to normally live anywhere.

[7by7]

????

They have to live somewhere! Or do you and your wife just dump them outside for the night as if they were stray cats?!

[Bangkokhatter]

You come across as no different from the typical spongers back in the UK who leech everything they can from the system. No doubt your kids live here ? and you just want a few extra quid in your pocket for free.

If child benefit is a reward by the government for adding to the population, am sure they mean they want those kids to go on and give something back to the UK when they start their working lives.

makes me sick when I hear stories like this.

[TommoPhysicist]

You come across as no different from the typical spongers back in the UK who leech everything they can from the system. No doubt your kids live here ? and you just want a few extra quid in your pocket for free.

If child benefit is a reward by the government for adding to the population, am sure they mean they want those kids to go on and give something back to the UK when they start their working lives.

makes me sick when I hear stories like this.

What makes you think they won't be back in the UK for school, university and work.

If I can get them back there, they will be.

[nong38]

What is comes down is this your interpretation of what constitiutes a UK Resident and the Govts. You will not win against the Govt end of story.

To claim and maintain your pension with annual increases you need spend 6 months in the UK. To qualify and a UK resident you need to spend a minimum of 90 consecutive days in the UK.

Your argument was similar to mine when arranging travel insurance, I thought I was a UK resident, birn in the UK over 60 years ago, Uk address etc, that does not make me a UK resident I have since found out.

NOw its up to you if you want to give it go, but expect someone come round to your UK address to check it out and when you are not answering the door the game will be up, I know people this has happened to.

[7by7]

This is going nowhere.

You cannot claim child benefit for them unless you live in the UK and they live with you; end of story.