Yellow Shirt Protests Force House To Adjourn Indefinitely

[philw]

Can you show a few ways the current government does not respect or follow the law ???

even the idea of debate to whitewash convicted criminal is already breaking the law

members of the parliament going to visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law.

member of the parliament personally delivering passport to a convicted criminal is breaking the law.

government allowing live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law

i hope its enough ways, unless of course you consider all of the above to be respectful and following the law

So you cannot show any thing that substantiates your inane comment...................

[dtarasin]

How any democratically-minded person here can support the PAD is beyond me...

How any democratically-minded person here can support the PTP/red shirts is beyond me...

How any democratically-minded person here can support can support EITHER group is beyond me. The emergence of these two groups have done absolutely nothing to better the country. We're basically watching a group of sanctimonious <deleted> fight a group of belligerent <deleted>. The situation has devolved to a gang war disguised as a political movement. The sooner these two groups are launched into space (preferably towards the sun), the sooner actual Thai people can move forward with making this country a better place to live.

[silent]

Excuse me if it's off topic or doesn't quite fit the thread, but after what I witnessed tonight I can't help but wonder if any of you ever had reason or ocassion to look into the definition and symptoms of a psycopath like I did with a psychatric professional when questioning the attitude and character of my spouse with consideration given to her strong practicing belief.

It was kind of an amazing answer questioning how she could be that way, considering the precepts and teaching of the religion but in answer, all of the above seems to fit with the indications of psychopathy.

Then again "that's just a western" psych's opinion?

[phl]

Can you show a few ways the current government does not respect or follow the law ???

even the idea of debate to whitewash convicted criminal is already breaking the law

members of the parliament going to visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law.

member of the parliament personally delivering passport to a convicted criminal is breaking the law.

government allowing live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law

i hope its enough ways, unless of course you consider all of the above to be respectful and following the law

So you cannot show any thing that substantiates your inane comment...................

do you call it selective reading? or you possibly simply do not understand simple language?

which part of my previous post did you have trouble with understanding?

[ginjag]

A poster said blocking traffic is against the law, unless you are using tanks. What was the siege of BKK??? spiked bamboos-heavy goods rubber tyres-weapons why do you think the tanks came in ???. I feel sorry for the posters who are not grasping the reality of this above the law government, see sense chaps sit on the fence and think which is the right way forward, If you think the P.M. is honest along with her brother and running the job cleanly, why do you think there is problems ??? you posters must understand that when everything is on track there is no need to object.

[Skywalker69]

How any democratically-minded person here can support the PAD is beyond me...

Don't worry. Your ignorance is forgiven. If you haven't figured out by now that the PAD are fighting for the triumph of rule of law over the dictatorial Thaksin regime, then you will probably never understand. It is only too bad that the PAD is forced into positions where they have to break the law in order to stop the travesty of justice that Thaksin would inflict on Thailand for the benefit of himself.

Rule of law is the very foundation of any democracy. The PAD supports it. Thaksin doesn't. Simple as that really. Everything else is simply people reacting in predictable ways to that basic fact.

When Thaksin submits to the rule of law, and places himself subservient to it, then all the problems stop. As long as he doesn't, the problems don't. Since his personality means he will never do it, nothing short of his demise is ever going to bring peace.

So they're breaking the law in order to preserve it? Isn't that an oxymoron, right up there with "fighting for peace"?

I could write about how the law in Thailand is easily ignored by the rich and well connected of all political stripes, how libel laws effectively hobble the press from doing it's duty as the "fourth estate" of a free society, and other laws limiting free speech that are too sensitive to mention on TV, But I'm not interested in joining the endless debates on these subjects.

So I'm back to my original point: For all its flaws, Thailand is a democracy and has a democratically elected government operating within the law in attempting to debate a legitimate bill (yes, it is legitimate even if it is clearly unpopular with many people). Illegal actions committed to prevent this government from doing its job are against the ideals of democracy, rule of law, and the best interests of Thailand.

Also, a minority party that maintains that a democratically elected government isn't legitimate unless it's a government they approve of isn't really a democratic party, even if they name themselves "Peoples Alliance for Democracy".

Democracy as I know has an independent judiciary to enforce the laws of the legislature. Now the legislature wants to over-ride the judiciary for the direct benefit of a select group of people closely associated with, and actually members of, the legislature.

There is an immense conflict of interest in that proposed action, and as it appears to be having the direct opposite effect of its claimed purpose, then it immediately arouses the perception of corruption.

Blocking traffic seems to me to be a minor offence compared to passing legislation for self-benefit. As Thaksin should well remember, people will just not tolerate that sort of <deleted>.

Spot on! Good post!

[gl555]

Forgive the man. His Red tinted glasses affects his reading and comprehension.

Can you show a few ways the current government does not respect or follow the law ???

even the idea of debate to whitewash convicted criminal is already breaking the law

members of the parliament going to visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law.

member of the parliament personally delivering passport to a convicted criminal is breaking the law.

government allowing live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law

i hope its enough ways, unless of course you consider all of the above to be respectful and following the law

So you cannot show any thing that substantiates your inane comment...................

do you call it selective reading? or you possibly simply do not understand simple language?

which part of my previous post did you have trouble with understanding?

[rubl]

The yellow shirts are fascists not more or less. They deserve a life firing zone. There is no bigger crime in a democracy than blocking the work of a parliament. The ultra rightist Nation should make that very clear to the three readers that they still have. Interesting enough PAD is led by a man who is waiting a lengthy jail sentence for corruption and defrauding creditors and investors. The police com missionary and his fine officers who allowed the blocking of parliament should be immediately be put out of their misery and send home.

There will be no coup, the military know that the outside world would spit on them and that the voters will be unstoppable and will really come out with a million people to tach the elite a lesson.

They did not block the work of Parliament, they blocked the roads. Esteemed members of the Parliament could always walk instead of being driven in, or air lifted

Demonstrations which gather a large number of people usually do happen to block roads as people can not climb trees, and last time i checked demonstrations were perfectly legal and does fall into democracy, to which you refer.

No offence, but walking on PhiChai Rd. and a bit Ratchawithi this afternoon I counted at least six roadblocks manned by police. That's only a small part of the roads leading to Government House

[philw]

Can you show a few ways the current government does not respect or follow the law ???

even the idea of debate to whitewash convicted criminal is already breaking the law

members of the parliament going to visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law.

member of the parliament personally delivering passport to a convicted criminal is breaking the law.

government allowing live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law

i hope its enough ways, unless of course you consider all of the above to be respectful and following the law

So you cannot show any thing that substantiates your inane comment...................

do you call it selective reading? or you possibly simply do not understand simple language?

which part of my previous post did you have trouble with understanding?

I fully understand your simple language.

"Can you show a few ways the current government does not respect or follow the law ???"

Seemingly no, but disparage away.........

[dtarasin]

Can you show a few ways the current government does not respect or follow the law ???

even the idea of debate to whitewash convicted criminal is already breaking the law

members of the parliament going to visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law.

member of the parliament personally delivering passport to a convicted criminal is breaking the law.

government allowing live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law

i hope its enough ways, unless of course you consider all of the above to be respectful and following the law

So you cannot show any thing that substantiates your inane comment...................

do you call it selective reading? or you possibly simply do not understand simple language?

which part of my previous post did you have trouble with understanding?

Is there a law that states that you cannot debate to whitewash convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot personally deliver passport to a convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that government cannot allow a live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, I'm genuinely asking an honest question. The point being that while it might be morally wrong to do these things, they're not actually illegal. And you can't just protest morals.

[ThaiOats]

I might perceived as being delusional and off-topic when I make this post but here goes:

When we vote for a political party and its leader, we're hoping for the very best in terms of honesty, courage, intellect, wisdom, credentials, selflessness and so forth. In other words, we're hoping for someone who can put the country before his/her personal gains. It really is wishful thinking and so we have to sometimes set out standards a little lower and take whatever good qualities that's left. The whole point being, the judge of character for our leaders. Politics is a difficult game and so much are going on behind the scenes but I truly believe that selflessness it the most important trait. A selfless person can make judgement on his/her own character and see if he/she is truly qualified to be a leader. So we should all agree that we'd want a selfless person to be a leader right?

Now, it seems we're all worried about the means that we're forgetting about the ends. The means to power whether it be through a military coup or being democratically elected must justify the end otherwise, why have the means in the first place? So let's further analyze the current ends (leaders) we're being presented right now.

So far we have three political leaders, Abhisit, Yingluck and Thaksin, to choose from. Do they have the qualities I mentioned above or at least of them? I'll focus on selflessness for brevity.

Thaksin, many would agree is a really devisive figure in Thai politics, whether he was framed or not is not the issue here. For a person to be filthy rich and wants more power is the antithesis for this whole idea of a quality leader. Instead of sacrificing himself whether it be accepting the charges or staying out of politics, he acts upon his ego to exhibit the act of selfishness. He must prove that he's right (from his perspective). Even with his sister Yingluck in power, it's not enough for him to let it go with just that.

As for Yingluck, does she have the qualities? An example of her leading selflessly act would be to focus on running the country instead of being under the influence of her brother. She had the opportunity to gain and show leadership like qualities but instead she hides and dodges responsibilities. Even if she's inexperienced, she is far from being a good leader. A newbie worker who shows courage and tackle the problem head on has more to be praised than a worker who makes excuses for his lack of experience.

Abhisit, out of the three does have leadership qualities. I can attest for his courage, intellect and credentials. His words are very educated and he tackles the problem head on. The negativity he has bloomed from the relationship he had with the coup (if any), thus the judge on his character is often overlooked. Out of the three, I personally think he'd be the best to take Thailand toward a progressive democracy.

So let's look at the leaders instead of the means since most of us agree that politics has myriad of problems and put the means aside for a sec. I'm not advocating a coup in case someone interprets my post like that. The PAD protest at the moment is a peaceful means which leads to another end. To which end I do not know but it's definitely not for the first two.

PS: Thaksin is a sweet talker. He woos the public with personal sweet talks that I honestly think is conniving and down right dirty. Thais call it (mouth-sweet, pak-waan) and often shows a dishonest character.

Edited June 1, 2012 by ThaiOats

[Skywalker69]

The yellow shirts are fascists not more or less. They deserve a life firing zone. There is no bigger crime in a democracy than blocking the work of a parliament. The ultra rightist Nation should make that very clear to the three readers that they still have. Interesting enough PAD is led by a man who is waiting a lengthy jail sentence for corruption and defrauding creditors and investors. The police com missionary and his fine officers who allowed the blocking of parliament should be immediately be put out of their misery and send home.

There will be no coup, the military know that the outside world would spit on them and that the voters will be unstoppable and will really come out with a million people to tach the elite a lesson.

It is only ok if the red shirts do it?

Agreed! Blocking Parliament, big deal what kind of work has been done there? People drunk, watching porn, fighting, the PM is never there, better move the Parliament to Dubai once and for all.

[OzMick]

No offence, but walking on PhiChai Rd. and a bit Ratchawithi this afternoon I counted at least six roadblocks manned by police. That's only a small part of the roads leading to Government House

So it's the bloody police blocking the roads and not the protesters.

[phl]

Is there a law that states that you cannot debate to whitewash convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot personally deliver passport to a convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that government cannot allow a live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, I'm genuinely asking an honest question. The point being that while it might be morally wrong to do these things, they're not actually illegal. And you can't just protest morals.

I will presume you are joking with some of the statements you just made, because i cannot believe that you can actually be serious.

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run? Is not convicted criminal on the run breaking the law? and is it not the job of the government officials to arrest him?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot personally deliver passport to a convicted criminal? Convicted criminal on the run, is it not the job of the government official to do all it his/her power to bring criminal to justice? instead of assisting the criminal to stay on the run?

By helping convicted felon on the run, does it not fall under accomplice to the crime?an accessory?

One who knowingly, voluntarily, and with common intent unites with the principal offender in the commission of a crime. One who is in some way concerned or associated in commission of crime; partaker of guilt; one who aids or assists, or is an Accessory. One who is guilty of complicity in crime charged, either by being present and aiding or abetting in it, or having advised and encouraged it, though absent from place when it was committed, though mere presence, Acquiescence, or silence, in the absence of a duty to act, is not enough, no matter how reprehensible it may be, to constitute one an accomplice. One is liable as an accomplice to the crime of another if he or she gave assistance or encouragement or failed to perform a legal duty to prevent it with the intent thereby to promote or facilitate commission of the crime.

[bobmac10]

All expat sympathisers would be rounded up with their yellow shirt buddies and marched through the streets with dunces hats on prior to their expulsion back to their homelands where they will have to exist on their pensions and live in the real world instead of the fantasyland they now inhabit in Pattaya.

[rubl]

No offence, but walking on PhiChai Rd. and a bit Ratchawithi this afternoon I counted at least six roadblocks manned by police. That's only a small part of the roads leading to Government House

So it's the bloody police blocking the roads and not the protesters.

And I didn't even walk far enough to see any protesters

[KeyserSoze01]

Here we go again........................

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." - George Santayana

[gemini81]

In the Thai news, said yingluck fled and tried to hide out in fear for herself. this party is finally getting served up what they deserve for their dishonesty, corruption, graft, and cronyism.

Glad the dems are standing up to this unacceptable nonsense. this is the kind of rubbish that keeps thialand lagging behind. forget thaksin and his 46 bllion. he cant take it with him to his next life, nor will he be able to scam people in it.

Edited June 1, 2012 by gemini81

[KeyserSoze01]

It's quite right - Shinawatra is on the run from a prison sentence here in Thailand. That's what this Reconciliation Bill hopes to achieve ultimately - pardons granted, against the decisions of the courts, who make rulings in the name of the King.

That's why everyone's getting all up tight about it.

Let's really make no mistake - Taksin is a convicted criminal, trying to fund his way into a pardon.

Here is an interview with Abhisit on the matter.

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000092768&play=1

[animatic]

even the idea of debate to whitewash convicted criminal is already breaking the law

members of the parliament going to visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law.

member of the parliament personally delivering passport to a convicted criminal is breaking the law.

government allowing live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run is breaking the law

i hope its enough ways, unless of course you consider all of the above to be respectful and following the law

So you cannot show any thing that substantiates your inane comment...................

do you call it selective reading? or you possibly simply do not understand simple language?

which part of my previous post did you have trouble with understanding?

Is there a law that states that you cannot debate to whitewash convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot personally deliver passport to a convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that government cannot allow a live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, I'm genuinely asking an honest question. The point being that while it might be morally wrong to do these things, they're not actually illegal. And you can't just protest morals.

There are ethics laws in most lands in their legislatures that would find several of these instances

you list as reasons for impeachment and ejection from their ranks in many cases.

If only these were the real bad issues.

Taking cash ( through proxies or not), taking orders and direction from a convicted criminal on the run

would be in violation of most any ethics statutes in most lands.

Edited June 1, 2012 by animatic

[philw]

Is there a law that states that you cannot debate to whitewash convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot personally deliver passport to a convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that government cannot allow a live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, I'm genuinely asking an honest question. The point being that while it might be morally wrong to do these things, they're not actually illegal. And you can't just protest morals.

I will presume you are joking with some of the statements you just made, because i cannot believe that you can actually be serious.

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run? Is not convicted criminal on the run breaking the law? and is it not the job of the government officials to arrest him?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot personally deliver passport to a convicted criminal? Convicted criminal on the run, is it not the job of the government official to do all it his/her power to bring criminal to justice? instead of assisting the criminal to stay on the run?

By helping convicted felon on the run, does it not fall under accomplice to the crime?an accessory?

One who knowingly, voluntarily, and with common intent unites with the principal offender in the commission of a crime. One who is in some way concerned or associated in commission of crime; partaker of guilt; one who aids or assists, or is an Accessory. One who is guilty of complicity in crime charged, either by being present and aiding or abetting in it, or having advised and encouraged it, though absent from place when it was committed, though mere presence, Acquiescence, or silence, in the absence of a duty to act, is not enough, no matter how reprehensible it may be, to constitute one an accomplice. One is liable as an accomplice to the crime of another if he or she gave assistance or encouragement or failed to perform a legal duty to prevent it with the intent thereby to promote or facilitate commission of the crime.

Perhaps you should pop down to the local cop shop and file complaints about all the laws that the government has so clearly broken.

If that's too difficult, why not just alert the Democrats and PAD, perhaps they lack your awareness of the subtle legalities.

[phl]

All expat sympathisers would be rounded up with their yellow shirt buddies and marched through the streets with dunces hats on prior to their expulsion back to their homelands where they will have to exist on their pensions and live in the real world instead of the fantasyland they now inhabit in Pattaya.

, thanks for your input and a very valuable one

[h90]

The yellow shirts are fascists not more or less. They deserve a life firing zone. There is no bigger crime in a democracy than blocking the work of a parliament. The ultra rightist Nation should make that very clear to the three readers that they still have. Interesting enough PAD is led by a man who is waiting a lengthy jail sentence for corruption and defrauding creditors and investors. The police com missionary and his fine officers who allowed the blocking of parliament should be immediately be put out of their misery and send home.

There will be no coup, the military know that the outside world would spit on them and that the voters will be unstoppable and will really come out with a million people to tach the elite a lesson.

aeh....Democracy??? Vote buying...heard of it?

Government controlled via skype by a criminal who placed his family members in key positions is democracy?

make a reality check...what you write is true in Switzerland but not in this situation.

[phl]

Is there a law that states that you cannot debate to whitewash convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot personally deliver passport to a convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that government cannot allow a live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, I'm genuinely asking an honest question. The point being that while it might be morally wrong to do these things, they're not actually illegal. And you can't just protest morals.

I will presume you are joking with some of the statements you just made, because i cannot believe that you can actually be serious.

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run? Is not convicted criminal on the run breaking the law? and is it not the job of the government officials to arrest him?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot personally deliver passport to a convicted criminal? Convicted criminal on the run, is it not the job of the government official to do all it his/her power to bring criminal to justice? instead of assisting the criminal to stay on the run?

By helping convicted felon on the run, does it not fall under accomplice to the crime?an accessory?

One who knowingly, voluntarily, and with common intent unites with the principal offender in the commission of a crime. One who is in some way concerned or associated in commission of crime; partaker of guilt; one who aids or assists, or is an Accessory. One who is guilty of complicity in crime charged, either by being present and aiding or abetting in it, or having advised and encouraged it, though absent from place when it was committed, though mere presence, Acquiescence, or silence, in the absence of a duty to act, is not enough, no matter how reprehensible it may be, to constitute one an accomplice. One is liable as an accomplice to the crime of another if he or she gave assistance or encouragement or failed to perform a legal duty to prevent it with the intent thereby to promote or facilitate commission of the crime.

Perhaps you should pop down to the local cop shop and file complaints about all the laws that the government has so clearly broken.

If that's too difficult, why not just alert the Democrats and PAD, perhaps they lack your awareness of the subtle legalities.

so the only response you can come up with is a troll post?! good on ya

[philw]

Is there a law that states that you cannot debate to whitewash convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot personally deliver passport to a convicted criminal?

Is there a law that states that government cannot allow a live broadcast of speeches by convicted criminal on the run?

I'm not trying to be a smart-ass, I'm genuinely asking an honest question. The point being that while it might be morally wrong to do these things, they're not actually illegal. And you can't just protest morals.

I will presume you are joking with some of the statements you just made, because i cannot believe that you can actually be serious.

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot visit, kiss and shake hands with convicted criminal on the run? Is not convicted criminal on the run breaking the law? and is it not the job of the government officials to arrest him?

Is there a law that states that members of the parliament cannot personally deliver passport to a convicted criminal? Convicted criminal on the run, is it not the job of the government official to do all it his/her power to bring criminal to justice? instead of assisting the criminal to stay on the run?

By helping convicted felon on the run, does it not fall under accomplice to the crime?an accessory?

One who knowingly, voluntarily, and with common intent unites with the principal offender in the commission of a crime. One who is in some way concerned or associated in commission of crime; partaker of guilt; one who aids or assists, or is an Accessory. One who is guilty of complicity in crime charged, either by being present and aiding or abetting in it, or having advised and encouraged it, though absent from place when it was committed, though mere presence, Acquiescence, or silence, in the absence of a duty to act, is not enough, no matter how reprehensible it may be, to constitute one an accomplice. One is liable as an accomplice to the crime of another if he or she gave assistance or encouragement or failed to perform a legal duty to prevent it with the intent thereby to promote or facilitate commission of the crime.

Perhaps you should pop down to the local cop shop and file complaints about all the laws that the government has so clearly broken.

If that's too difficult, why not just alert the Democrats and PAD, perhaps they lack your awareness of the subtle legalities.

so the only response you can come up with is a troll post?! good on ya

Why is a "troll" ??

It is a pity though, that you cannot answer the question or substantiate your allegations.

Sad but somehow not surprising.

[rubl]

All expat sympathisers would be rounded up with their yellow shirt buddies and marched through the streets with dunces hats on prior to their expulsion back to their homelands where they will have to exist on their pensions and live in the real world instead of the fantasyland they now inhabit in Pattaya.

Thanks very much for your information. Having lived in Bangkok the last 18 years, I already started to have the feeling I was supposed to be somewhere else. At least now I know where

[phl]

Why is a "troll" ??

It is a pity though, that you cannot answer the question or substantiate your allegations.

Sad but somehow not surprising.

lol, keep on trolling

you have asked how this government does not respect the law and is breaking the law and got an answer BUT apparently that is not substantial for you

Not only i pointed out a number of ways, but also stated an undeniable fact and relevance to the law, under which its been broken, but AGAIN it is not substantial for you.

No point wasting time trying to talk with someone who simply does not have the ability to comprehend

[hansnl]

Its all happening again, same as 2006. Next they will move parliment to Don Muang Airport where the yelowshirt protestor will follow and the red will attack them with granades while they sleep.

Where is this mythical airport,. I have never heard of it, and how could the red shirts throw grenades at people sleeping at a place that does not exist.

I think your belief about 'red shirts' throwing grenades at sleeping people is as misguided as your sense of direction, as far as i can remember nobody was convicted for throwing these grenades although I could be wrong, and I always find it easier to take a post more seriously of it is balanced and highlights the faults and violence from both sides, or are you one of these people that ignores the bombings and violence and damage instigated by the yellow shirts last time round?

Thankfully for all concerned I don't think they have the numbers like they had last time to do any real damage to the country, and one big factor is that this time around I don't think they have the army either.

I presume, because you think so, it is so?

It is a matter for debate who did more damage to the country.

The yellow shirts with the occupation of the airports, resulting, amongst others in your personal misfortune,

or

The redshirt show of love for the country resulting in a destroying of goods and livelihoods for many people wordt millions.

As for the non-existing airport, you are not serious, are you.

Including the violence?

And what the army will do or will not do, you have no idea, just like me.

[OzMick]

If you are still looking for illegal actions of this government, using political influence to have police investigation into members of the government and their cronies, and their illegal activities dropped or suppressed should be good enough.

There are plenty of examples but Yingluk's perjury charge is the most blatant.

[Backwoods]

Its all happening again, same as 2006. Next they will move parliment to Dongguan Airport where the yelowshirt protestor will follow and the red will attack them with granades while they sleep.

Where is this mythical airport,. I have never heard of it, and how could the red shirts throw grenades at people sleeping at a place that does not exist.

I think your belief about 'red shirts' throwing grenades at sleeping people is as misguided as your sense of direction, as far as i can remember nobody was convicted for throwing these grenades although I could be wrong, and I always find it easier to take a post more seriously of it is balanced and highlights the faults and violence from both sides, or are you one of these people that ignores the bombings and violence and damage instigated by the yellow shirts last time round?

Thankfully for all concerned I don't think they have the numbers like they had last time to do any real damage to the country, and one big factor is that this time around I don't think they have the army either.

I think you are a commie hack, unless you just so happen to like 5 point stars and red/yellow motifs. Your mistaken affinity for the red-shirts is transparent, as is your attempt at logic via discourse. You see a typo someone made about an airport and that's your basis for your entire argument against so-called yellow shirts. Also, you underestimate the power of human division -probably because you come from somewhere really repressed. Or worse, somewhere too free to actually understand anything with much depth.

The reds and yellows are both a childish set, Thais are showing their political nature, just as those from all countries where polarity seems to be the reigning factor. Both sides indeed have quite enough power to rip this country apart. How would you know who the Army sides with?

Instead of seizing on such polarity, -try to exert some balance and actually help the world with some insight, -or, go back to waiting in line for your rations with your comrades. And don't led Vladimir Putin trick you into any "deliveries" -stay away from that Polonium-210!

Whilst disagreeing with Carra on each and every post, iI believe you are calling 'commie' (stupid word, are you American?) Taksin, a self vested/interested billionaire laughable and has absolutely nothing to do with the ideals of communism, to which, as a misanthropist, I do not personally subscribe, but find the insane piggery of rampant capitalism equally bad.

I suggest you educate yourself. Marx would be a good start.

PS The PAD never threw grenades, the red shirts were lobbing them over the wall of Government House at the PAD.

And just why was this referencing if someone was American? Seems to show how ignorant you are as well!