Fake Document Got Abhisit His Military Job, Defence Ministry Says

[Fozfromoz]

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How is raising an important issue a 'smear campaign'?

if it is can we also agree the the sexual misconduct allegations against the elected pm also a smear campaign? i am just wondering what constitutes a smear campaign in your head, is it anything against your beloved abhisit is a smear campaign?

Because it is not an important issue. I listed the important issues in my first post in the thread.

A 1986 paper on a draft doger is not an important issue. Its an issue, but not an important issue. Please refer to my first post to see what defines an "important issue" in the minds of Thailand reformists. Please notice that PTP have avoided tackling all of those important issues in favour of an obsessive 'absolve-Thaksin' policy, and now this draft dodge non-story that is only of interest to petty-minded keyboard wizards.

Please read my first post you might learn something.

So the law is not an important issue?

The law say farang cannot be PM. If we found a smart Farang (verey unlikely), he/she produce a fake citizen paper, we make him/her a PM, is it OK?

The law say all govt official need to go to army or have a Sor Dor 9 examption, he/she produce a fake Sor Dor 9 (which incidentally he managed to lost it twice, the real and the copy version), we make him/her a PM, is it OK?

Bit condescending eh.............Smart or not smart farang can spell English a big lot gooderer that your post. There is probably verey many about.

[chotthee]

It is not important what happened after samak had to go.Point is democrat friends here in Thaivisa say document faking to avoid military service is a minor thing,or smear campagne,well it is not and if it was known before then i think Abisit would be still in UK,never got the chance to be PM of Thailand,of course only if u measure with one standard

I think I bought some of that 'smear champagne' from Tesco's once.

Actually I said about a week ago that if Abhisit has broken any law relating to his draft, then he should be charged with it. Nobody is above the law, is what I said.

My point was that this story is a potential 'issue' but it is by no means an important issue in a developing nation that has a lot of deprivation and serious infrastructure problems.

PTP should be focusing on making Thailand a healthier and more equal society, instead of avoiding those issues all the time in favour of slimeing Abhisit non-stop or absolving Thaksin non-stop. It really is only PTP who make Thailand into a two-person manufactured personality pantomime.

I would prefer PTP to focus on their elected job of governing Thailand.

The other fact that dwarfs this minor 'draft dodge' issue is the fact is that if Thaksin was ever charged with the full list of crimes he is guilty of, the jailer would lock him up and throw away the key so far you'd never see it land.

Samak was not a good man and have a dog mouth (that's what they call him in Thailand).

Mark is a handsome, with fragrant mouth.

So it is only right that the court sack Samak, if the law say he disqualify.

It is only right to forgive Mark even the law say no Sor Dor 9, no govt post.

[trainman34014]

Thailand...'Hub of Fake Documents'.

[phiphidon]

lets count the posts until someone tries to compare this matter with something totally irrelevant that thaksin has done to try and justify abhists actions. i am sure it will be on this page.

I'm also glad that FINALLY they got something on Abhisit.

Finally? Have you forgotten his lies about his dual citizenship, his statement that the 6 people killed in the Wat were shot at ground level, not from an elevated position, his press conference after the two PAD deaths, his lies about Thaksin having met with the southern insurgents, his lies about Thaksin being on the interpol red list etc. and now they have finally got something on abhisit?

[Babcock]

Whatever the rabble manage to drum up to besmirch this good man's name, at the end of the day Mark is worth 100 of the entire corrupt cabinet of lemmings even if it came to light that he cheated in Oxford and personally gunned down the mob.

Though we all know where it's coming from. Just cannot let it be, can he!

The general view amongst the polulace is that Abhisit couldn't lie straight in bed.

[Reasonableman]

Whatever the rabble manage to drum up to besmirch this good man's name, at the end of the day Mark is worth 100 of the entire corrupt cabinet of lemmings even if it came to light that he cheated in Oxford and personally gunned down the mob.

Though we all know where it's coming from. Just cannot let it be, can he!

The general view amongst the polulace is that Abhisit couldn't lie straight in bed.

What poll-u-lice are you citing?

[philw]

The buying of fake Sor Dor 9 is no top secret. Many half Thai and wealthy Chinese kids did it. I bough my for 20,000 but that was a long time ago. It is very similar to the one Mark has, i.e. it is a duplicated ("Copy" stamp is red on top, to indicate a re-issued one to replace the lost original) copy stating that I got BLACK (exemption) during the lucky draw.

The latest price I can find in TV is 40,000 baht posted here by farang (farang don't lie):

http://www.thaivisa....e/#entry2840852

I send my kids to international school in Bangkok. He is attending Ror Dor now (20 days a year for 3 years), so he do not have to be enlisted for 2 years. But most of his Thai (and half Thai) friends couldn't be bordered. They will just buy the fake Sor Dor 9 cert when time come.

I believe that Mark also bought the fake Sor Dor 9 cert, just like me. Unlike his birth cert, he dare not post his copy on the internet, by claiming that he lost it. Losing twice in a row is very unlikely.

I urge him to be courageous, and own up. Million of Thai (especially the wealthy one) bought it. Me too. It is no shame. He is just one of us.

(If mark own up, I will post my fake copy in ThaiVisa for you people to have a look).

Very sensible post.

Good one.

[phiphidon]

so no opinion, not a shred of a negative response towards this... just divert, divert, divert.

is there a point in anyone on this forum trying to discuss anything political with you?

have you ever acknowledged any meaningful wrongdoing on your side?

i'm surprised people still interact in debates with you on here tbh, but that's just imho....

It is sort of ironic you spamming the word "divert", given that this 'Smear Abhisit' campaign is a diversionary tactic to avert the public's eyes away from the crimes of PTP themselves.

PTP crimes which are not only much more serious than draft-dodging, but are current 2012 crimes that have occured this year and are still occuring. Them throwing this 'diversion' 1986 non-story to their lapdogs and their baying hounds, is I'm sure enough diversion for simple minded loyal canines but it doesn't interest most educated human beings at all.

Good dog. Have a biscuit.

How is raising an important issue a 'smear campaign'?

if it is can we also agree the the sexual misconduct allegations against the elected pm also a smear campaign? i am just wondering what constitutes a smear campaign in your head, is it anything against your beloved abhisit is a smear campaign?

Carra, despite you not wanting other people to bring up a red herring, you've brought up the yellow shirts, the sexual conduct of the PM and Samak. There's another thread on this subject which explicitly mentions that the Red Shirt-leader Jatuporn is trying to use this as a smear campaign. If you were to watch AsiaUpdate you'd understand. Even the defamation case against Abhisit, Jatuporn initiated it.

Actually Abhisit initiated the defamation case against Jatuporn over his remarks about abhisits "military service" - and jatuporn is using this information as part of his defence, hardly a smear campaign when the allegation turns out to be true is it?

[OzMick]

There are some strange inconsistencies emerging with this story.

First, it is claimed that he arranged a 2 year deferment because he was studying. Then it is claimed he wasn't studying during that time. Then it is stated he went directly from university to lecturing at the military college. Has anyone produced a verifiable time-line?

Next it is claimed that he used his exemption document to get work at the military college - but that work satisfies as a national service commitment. Logical?

[Thai at Heart]

Let's see. He might fess up, sayi did it, and quit.

Cue raspberry and canned laughter. "gotcha"

[Babcock]

It is not important what happened after samak had to go.Point is democrat friends here in Thaivisa say document faking to avoid military service is a minor thing,or smear campagne,well it is not and if it was known before then i think Abisit would be still in UK,never got the chance to be PM of Thailand,of course only if u measure with one standard

I think I bought some of that 'smear champagne' from Tesco's once.

Actually I said about a week ago that if Abhisit has broken any law relating to his draft, then he should be charged with it. Nobody is above the law, is what I said.

My point was that this story is a potential 'issue' but it is by no means an important issue in a developing nation that has a lot of deprivation and serious infrastructure problems.

PTP should be focusing on making Thailand a healthier and more equal society, instead of avoiding those issues all the time in favour of slimeing Abhisit non-stop or absolving Thaksin non-stop. It really is only PTP who make Thailand into a two-person manufactured personality pantomime.

I would prefer PTP to focus on their elected job of governing Thailand.

The other fact that dwarfs this minor 'draft dodge' issue is the fact is that if Thaksin was ever charged with the full list of crimes he is guilty of, the jailer would lock him up and throw away the key so far you'd never see it land.

Samak was not a good man and have a dog mouth (that's what they call him in Thailand).

Mark is a handsome, with fragrant mouth.

So it is only right that the court sack Samak, if the law say he disqualify.

It is only right to forgive Mark even the law say no Sor Dor 9, no govt post.

I get the impression that a number of thais maybe looking for visas have ended up erroneously on this web site and you would foot the bill.

[OzMick]

I get the impression that a number of thais maybe looking for visas have ended up erroneously on this web site and you would foot the bill.

"Fit the bill" and "foot the bill" are not interchangeable expressions. More Bab, less of the other.

[Reasonableman]

It is not important what happened after samak had to go.Point is democrat friends here in Thaivisa say document faking to avoid military service is a minor thing,or smear campagne,well it is not and if it was known before then i think Abisit would be still in UK,never got the chance to be PM of Thailand,of course only if u measure with one standard

I think I bought some of that 'smear champagne' from Tesco's once.

Actually I said about a week ago that if Abhisit has broken any law relating to his draft, then he should be charged with it. Nobody is above the law, is what I said.

My point was that this story is a potential 'issue' but it is by no means an important issue in a developing nation that has a lot of deprivation and serious infrastructure problems.

PTP should be focusing on making Thailand a healthier and more equal society, instead of avoiding those issues all the time in favour of slimeing Abhisit non-stop or absolving Thaksin non-stop. It really is only PTP who make Thailand into a two-person manufactured personality pantomime.

I would prefer PTP to focus on their elected job of governing Thailand.

The other fact that dwarfs this minor 'draft dodge' issue is the fact is that if Thaksin was ever charged with the full list of crimes he is guilty of, the jailer would lock him up and throw away the key so far you'd never see it land.

Samak was not a good man and have a dog mouth (that's what they call him in Thailand).

Mark is a handsome, with fragrant mouth.

So it is only right that the court sack Samak, if the law say he disqualify.

It is only right to forgive Mark even the law say no Sor Dor 9, no govt post.

I get the impression that a number of thais maybe looking for visas have ended up erroneously on this web site and you would foot the bill.

Does this mean anything at all? Please decode. Thanks.

Edited July 21, 2012 by Reasonableman

[WhizBang]

What does this have to do with anything? This is a red herring that occured almost 30 years ago, and that's assuming that it is indeed a fake document and not just a mistake on the copy.

But this whole thing is nothing but a smoke screen to deflect attention away from all the wrong doings going on with the PTP, Thaksin and the UDD.

Concentrate on the real issues.

[orchidlady]

I find it interesting that the government offices looking into this (Ombudsmen?) decided to put this on a fast track. There are many more important issues that deserve to be fast tracked (such as status of red-shirt politicians legality to be in office).

[chotthee]

What does this have to do with anything? This is a red herring that occured almost 30 years ago, and that's assuming that it is indeed a fake document and not just a mistake on the copy.

But this whole thing is nothing but a smoke screen to deflect attention away from all the wrong doings going on with the PTP, Thaksin and the UDD.

Concentrate on the real issues.

The real issue is:

Did Mark's father, like many Rich Chinese / Vietnamese father bought a fake document on his behalf 30 years ago.

Please note that it was and still is, a common practice, and nothing to be shame about.

Have you ever wonder why most poor Thais keep picking up the RED ball while the rich Chinese keep picking up the BLACK ball; during the lottery?

You don't need a statistician to work out the improbability. No need to read the Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy too.

Edited July 21, 2012 by chotthee

[Credo]

I have a strong dislike for people who enter politics who are not willing to show some moral backbone.

I don't like leaders who evade national service. They may be called upon to send young men and women in harms way.

I don't like leaders who evade taxes. They may be responsible for laws that tax others.

[Reasonableman]

I have a strong dislike for people who enter politics who are not willing to show some moral backbone.

I don't like leaders who evade national service. They may be called upon to send young men and women in harms way.

I don't like leaders who evade taxes. They may be responsible for laws that tax others.

Omg, so who among the current crop DO you like? ;-)

[punisher]

What does this have to do with anything? This is a red herring that occured almost 30 years ago, and that's assuming that it is indeed a fake document and not just a mistake on the copy.

But this whole thing is nothing but a smoke screen to deflect attention away from all the wrong doings going on with the PTP, Thaksin and the UDD.

Concentrate on the real issues.

What are they actually doing wrong?

[Reasonableman]

What does this have to do with anything? This is a red herring that occured almost 30 years ago, and that's assuming that it is indeed a fake document and not just a mistake on the copy.

But this whole thing is nothing but a smoke screen to deflect attention away from all the wrong doings going on with the PTP, Thaksin and the UDD.

Concentrate on the real issues.

The real issue is:

Did Mark's father, like many Rich Chinese / Vietnamese father bought a fake document on his behalf 30 years ago.

Please note that it was and still is, a common practice, and nothing to be shame about.

Have you ever wonder why most poor Thais keep picking up the RED ball while the rich Chinese keep picking up the BLACK ball; during the lottery?

You don't need a statistician to work out the improbability. No need to read the Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy too.

A crime is a crime, whoever commits it. What is this bs about its ok because everyone's doing it? I fail to comprehend the bizarre Chinese/Vietnamese insinuations, and the lottery? <deleted> is all that about? In all a worriesome, almost delusional, post. Can anyone make sense of it, please?

Edited July 21, 2012 by Reasonableman

[mca]

What does this have to do with anything? This is a red herring that occured almost 30 years ago, and that's assuming that it is indeed a fake document and not just a mistake on the copy.

But this whole thing is nothing but a smoke screen to deflect attention away from all the wrong doings going on with the PTP, Thaksin and the UDD.

Concentrate on the real issues.

The real issue is:

Did Mark's father, like many Rich Chinese / Vietnamese father bought a fake document on his behalf 30 years ago.

Please note that it was and still is, a common practice, and nothing to be shame about.

Have you ever wonder why most poor Thais keep picking up the RED ball while the rich Chinese keep picking up the BLACK ball; during the lottery?

You don't need a statistician to work out the improbability. No need to read the Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy too.

I fail to comprehend the bizarre Chinese/Vietnamese insinuations, and the lottery? <deleted> is all that about? In all a worriesome, almost delusional, post. Can anyone make sense of it, please?

Seems reasonably straightforward. What's not to understand?

[expat4life]

Hey I have an idea ! lets actually let facts come out about this . Oh, but wait that's not how things are done here (Thailand or Thai visa ) lets accuse , and condemn prior to all the facts coming out. Did he file an extension request , was he studying when they say he wasn't and so on. If he is guilty then fine take the appropriate legal action.

More importantly as several posters have noted there are much more pressing issues facing Thailand. The MPs and ministers should be focusing on real improvements in Thai society , we have a post on here saying "areas facing floods will be revealed " To quote Yunla " The governments energies would be better spent on cross-spectrum infrastructure policies including water management and education, road safety, rice policy reform, custodial reform, anti corruption initiatives in the police, human rights work, equal rights work, health reform, fake medicines purge, human-trafficking crackdown, food standards agency reform, control of dangerous chemicals reform, etc."

Let the relevant agency do its investigation , let Abhisit respond to the charges and provide documentation if possible. If he is guilty then fine take the appropriate legal action.

[Reasonableman]

What does this have to do with anything? This is a red herring that occured almost 30 years ago, and that's assuming that it is indeed a fake document and not just a mistake on the copy.

But this whole thing is nothing but a smoke screen to deflect attention away from all the wrong doings going on with the PTP, Thaksin and the UDD.

Concentrate on the real issues.

The real issue is:

Did Mark's father, like many Rich Chinese / Vietnamese father bought a fake document on his behalf 30 years ago.

Please note that it was and still is, a common practice, and nothing to be shame about.

Have you ever wonder why most poor Thais keep picking up the RED ball while the rich Chinese keep picking up the BLACK ball; during the lottery?

You don't need a statistician to work out the improbability. No need to read the Hitch hikers guide to the galaxy too.

I fail to comprehend the bizarre Chinese/Vietnamese insinuations, and the lottery? <deleted> is all that about? In all a worriesome, almost delusional, post. Can anyone make sense of it, please?

Seems reasonably straightforward. What's not to understand?

Glad to hear it. Reminds me of a Jackson Pollock painting, but without the color. OK, so what does it mean? Vietnamese? Are they somehow relevant? Lotteries, red balls, black balls. Hitchhiker's Guide. Sorry i don't get it. Please spill the beanz.

Edited July 21, 2012 by Reasonableman

[mamypoko]

I have a strong dislike for people who enter politics who are not willing to show some moral backbone.

I don't like leaders who evade national service. They may be called upon to send young men and women in harms way.

I don't like leaders who evade taxes. They may be responsible for laws that tax others.

Omg, so who among the current crop DO you like? ;-)

I know! Stop addressing the real issue with logic. OMg!

[Reasonableman]

I have a strong dislike for people who enter politics who are not willing to show some moral backbone.

I don't like leaders who evade national service. They may be called upon to send young men and women in harms way.

I don't like leaders who evade taxes. They may be responsible for laws that tax others.

Omg, so who among the current crop DO you like? ;-)

I know! Stop addressing the real issue with logic. OMg!

Who in the current line-up has the admirable moral backbone of which we speak? Please name some names. Who are our paragons of virtue, steering the ship of state through these rough seas?

[mca]

Seems reasonably straightforward. What's not to understand?

Glad to hear it. Reminds me of a Jackson Pollock painting, but without the color. OK, so what does it mean? Vietnamese? Are they somehow relevant? Lotteries, red balls, black balls. Hitchhiker's Guide. Sorry i don't get it. Please spill the beanz.

He means that the in most cases the wealthy folks are Sino-Thai and to a lesser extent Vietnamese descent. Red balls and black balls are used like a lottery to determine who gets conscripted in the army and who doesn't. Can't remember of it's red means you go home or black. I think there are other factors involved like birthdays to but someone can put me straight on that.

All in all its a bit like this.

[transam]

I thought everybody here had dodgy paperwork that came after the fee was paid .

[Credo]

I don't recall saying I liked anybody. I just know that Mr. Squeaky Clean, isn't quite as clean as everyone likes to think.

IMO, I just think a lot less of leaders who evade military service.

Edited July 21, 2012 by Credo

[mamypoko]

This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the (red/yellow) pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe.

81mg of 'baby' aspirin please...I don't wanna choose.

[victor15]

Am I missing something, because the article says:

Abhisit's Sor Dor 9 document was a replacement for the original that had been reported as lost. He became a lecturer at the military academy after graduating from Oxford University.

Therefor the mistake is the persons who issued the replacement document not Abhisit's.