Rowdy Rally Forces Thaksin To Cancel Meeting In Los Angeles

[Thaddeus]

If you don't like it prepare a credible manifesto and wait for the next general election.

A credible manifesto?

History has shown that the main voter base do not vote for a credible manifesto, they vote for pie in the sky promises and an envelope of cash.

What is the next PTP credible manifesto going to contain to beat the last one.... a free pony for all girls under fifteen?

Credible manifesto my backside.

how many people do you think got envelopes of cash to vote ptp? i'm interested to hear your opinion of a figure.

Practically every Thai national I know, have spoken to or seen.

Yourself?

[Skywalker69]

#180

Did the Red Shirts get paid to go to Bangkok?

Did the money come from Santa Claus?

[nurofiend]

If you don't like it prepare a credible manifesto and wait for the next general election.

A credible manifesto?

History has shown that the main voter base do not vote for a credible manifesto, they vote for pie in the sky promises and an envelope of cash.

What is the next PTP credible manifesto going to contain to beat the last one.... a free pony for all girls under fifteen?

Credible manifesto my backside.

how many people do you think got envelopes of cash to vote ptp? i'm interested to hear your opinion of a figure.

Practically every Thai national I know, have spoken to or seen.

Yourself?

so every thai you have ever seen has been personally paid to vote?

and do you ask every thai national you speak to?

or is that just hyperbole?

mmmm

Edited August 14, 2012 by nurofiend

[scotbeve]

If you don't like it prepare a credible manifesto and wait for the next general election.

A credible manifesto?

History has shown that the main voter base do not vote for a credible manifesto, they vote for pie in the sky promises and an envelope of cash.

What is the next PTP credible manifesto going to contain to beat the last one.... a free pony for all girls under fifteen?

Credible manifesto my backside.

Just a side note here (not too far off topic I hope)..... There were elections for local MP's recently and a very red district ended up voting for a dem MP... Reason? No envelopes were forthcoming from the red MP(s) on the ballot. The price? 100 baht per vote. Fact.

[Thaddeus]

so every thai you have ever seen has been personally paid to vote?

and do you ask every thai national you speak to?

or is that just hyperbole?

mmmm

Yep.

And I don't ask, they tell, it's very common talk, gossip, he paid this etc ..... if you are unaware of this, then you are unaware of this.

[nurofiend]

so every thai you have ever seen has been personally paid to vote?

and do you ask every thai national you speak to?

or is that just hyperbole?

mmmm

Yep.

And I don't ask, they tell, it's very common talk, gossip, he paid this etc ..... if you are unaware of this, then you are unaware of this.

i'm not unaware of the existence of vote buying and i'm not denying that it happens.

but your answer was "Practically every Thai national I know, have spoken to or seen"

which means you think (practically) every thai national gets paid cash to vote, and it's hyperbolic bs.

so do you want to give me an estimated figure like i asked you for on how many you think got paid cash to vote in 2011?

Edited August 14, 2012 by nurofiend

[waza]

BANGKOK — Former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has been visiting the United States on his first trip to the country since he was ousted in a coup in 2006.

His opponents have been demanding Washington revoke his visa and extradite the former leader to Thailand, where he faces jail time for conflict of interest charges from his time as leader.

The opposition Democrats have urged the Thai government to push the United States, a close ally of Thailand, for his arrest and extradition. On Friday, a group of about 200 protesters gathered outside the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok making the same demand......

Thai Foreign Ministry spokesman Sek Wannamethee says the government has no plans to seek Thaksin’s extradition.

“His trip to the United States is a private visit. And, we were never, the Thai government was never informed, nor were we aware of his program. As for his travels abroad, the Thai government, we don’t have a policy of restricting his traveling abroad.”

http://www.voanews.com/content/former-thai-leaders-visit-to-us-renews-calls-for-justice/1485791.html

[scotbeve]

Hmmmm... see>>> Doesn't matter what side pays, the vote can be had for as little as 100 baht!

[rubl]

so every thai you have ever seen has been personally paid to vote?

and do you ask every thai national you speak to?

or is that just hyperbole?

mmmm

Yep.

And I don't ask, they tell, it's very common talk, gossip, he paid this etc ..... if you are unaware of this, then you are unaware of this.

i'm not unaware of the existence of vote buying and i'm not denying that it happens.

but your answer was "Practically every Thai national I know, have spoken to or seen"

which means you think (practically) every thai national gets paid cash to vote, and it's hyperbolic bs.

so do you want to give me an estimated figure like i asked you for on how many you think got paid cash to vote in 2011?

Terribly sorry, I had a road side dinner with my wife, at a karaoke joint just around the corner where I live. That's why I'm a wee bit late.

I'm surprised to see that "it's very common talk" is interpreted as "practically every Thai national I know". Followed by "which means you think (practically) every thai national gets paid cash to vote". The logic of that does excape me, I'm afraid. Might that be because it's close to 2.30AM at the moment ?

Edited August 14, 2012 by rubl

[yoshiwara]

BANGKOK — Former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has been visiting the United States on his first trip to the country since he was ousted in a coup in 2006.

His opponents have been demanding Washington revoke his visa and extradite the former leader to Thailand, where he faces jail time for conflict of interest charges from his time as leader.

The opposition Democrats have urged the Thai government to push the United States, a close ally of Thailand, for his arrest and extradition. On Friday, a group of about 200 protesters gathered outside the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok making the same demand......

Thai Foreign Ministry spokesman Sek Wannamethee says the government has no plans to seek Thaksin’s extradition.

“His trip to the United States is a private visit. And, we were never, the Thai government was never informed, nor were we aware of his program. As for his travels abroad, the Thai government, we don’t have a policy of restricting his traveling abroad.”

http://www.voanews.c...ce/1485791.html

His own government has to disassociate themselves from his activities. Brilliant.

[rubl]

Hmmmm... see>>> http://www.thaivisa.... Doesn't matter what side pays, the vote can be had for as little as 100 baht!

My dear Scott Beverage, I'm afraid I'm a wee bit late. The link you refer to is either gone or incorrect. Please check and put the correct link assuming it's still there

[kimamey]

The fact remains that Taksin gained power through the 'fairest' elections Thais had ever experienced.

Democracy was in its infancy and needed maturation time ... the majority had spoken , yes , even them stupid peasants in darkest Issan ....

It was the Yellow Shirts who derailed democracy , with leaders who we all know were, and still are, as every bit as corrupt as the Taksin they denounced. They were outraged that these peasants could even have a voice. So they basically seized power.

To me , unconcerned as to which snout is at the trough , there is a clear wrong in the actions of the Yellow Shirts.

It must also appear that way to the majority of Thais , since the MAJORITY resoundingly voted the Red Shirts back into power yet again.

Its time the minority had a rest , and let the democratically elected government govern.

Its time they started actively canvassing the people , constructing new policies that include the rural working classes , and preparing for the next elections as we would expect in any democracy , not threatening further civil disruption.

As for the protests in America , they can protest all they like....

great satirical posting

Perhaps it should have had satire written in red above it like that thread about the EZ Bribe card.

This one is particularly good as it sits right on the line between satire and stupidity. I'm being generous like you and going for satire. Unless zaZa9 tells us different of course (assuming that hasn't happened already).

[nurofiend]

so every thai you have ever seen has been personally paid to vote?

and do you ask every thai national you speak to?

or is that just hyperbole?

mmmm

Yep.

And I don't ask, they tell, it's very common talk, gossip, he paid this etc ..... if you are unaware of this, then you are unaware of this.

i'm not unaware of the existence of vote buying and i'm not denying that it happens.

but your answer was "Practically every Thai national I know, have spoken to or seen"

which means you think (practically) every thai national gets paid cash to vote, and it's hyperbolic bs.

so do you want to give me an estimated figure like i asked you for on how many you think got paid cash to vote in 2011?

Terribly sorry, I had a road side dinner with my wife, at a karaoke joint just around the corner where I live. That's why I'm a wee bit late.

I'm surprised to see that "it's very common talk" is interpreted as "practically every Thai national I know". Followed by "which means you think (practically) every thai national gets paid cash to vote". The logic of that does excape me, I'm afraid. Might that be because it's close to 2.30AM at the moment ?

this is the second time i've seen a post like this from you recently... no offence but i don't think anyone looking at the 'news' section is interested in your night out with your wife....

"I'm surprised to see that "it's very common talk" is interpreted as "practically every Thai national I know""

well they were both said by the same person, so i guess you better ask him....

Edited August 14, 2012 by nurofiend

[scotbeve]

Hmmmm... see>>> http://www.thaivisa....... Doesn't matter what side pays, the vote can be had for as little as 100 baht!

My dear Scott Beverage, I'm afraid I'm a wee bit late. The link you refer to is either gone or incorrect. Please check and put the correct link assuming it's still there

Hmmm... that's strange. Sorry, it's just above, comment #184.

[rubl]

Hmmmm... see>>> http://www.thaivisa....... Doesn't matter what side pays, the vote can be had for as little as 100 baht!

My dear Scott Beverage, I'm afraid I'm a wee bit late. The link you refer to is either gone or incorrect. Please check and put the correct link assuming it's still there

Hmmm... that's strange. Sorry, it's just above, comment #184.

Thanks, found it. It seems the link in your post got mangled somewhat.

To be sure #184 is

[rubl]

Yep.

And I don't ask, they tell, it's very common talk, gossip, he paid this etc ..... if you are unaware of this, then you are unaware of this.

i'm not unaware of the existence of vote buying and i'm not denying that it happens.

but your answer was "Practically every Thai national I know, have spoken to or seen"

which means you think (practically) every thai national gets paid cash to vote, and it's hyperbolic bs.

so do you want to give me an estimated figure like i asked you for on how many you think got paid cash to vote in 2011?

Terribly sorry, I had a road side dinner with my wife, at a karaoke joint just around the corner where I live. That's why I'm a wee bit late.

I'm surprised to see that "it's very common talk" is interpreted as "practically every Thai national I know". Followed by "which means you think (practically) every thai national gets paid cash to vote". The logic of that does excape me, I'm afraid. Might that be because it's close to 2.30AM at the moment ?

this is the second time i've seen a post like this from you recently... no offence but i don't think anyone looking at the 'news' section is interested in your night out with your wife....

"I'm surprised to see that "it's very common talk" is interpreted as "practically every Thai national I know""

well they were both said by the same person, so i guess you better ask him....

My dear fiend, I'm aware that not too many here will be interested in me having a road-side dinner with my wife. I only mention it to explain why I'm a wee bit late in joining the fray here. You will probably be able to read something similar over the coming time as that's just what I'm doing. How's your life outside TV?

Anyway even though both said by the same person (which I do admit to have missed first time, sorry ) neither "it's common talk", nor "practically every Thai I know" equates to "you think (practically) every thai national". Of course I do have to check with Thaddeus, maybe you're right and he does know (practically) all Thai, even though he didn't say so.

[FOODLOVER]

I think it's an inspired move; the Great Coward taking his infamous disappearing act on tour. Wonderful.

Where is the next destination he'll be showing his amazing avoidance skills? (Or not, as it were)

I think if he went to the Falklands, the penguins would throw rocks at him.

Your attempt at a swipe fails as penguins have wings adapted for swimming. The wings are not capable of throwing anything.

Sadly the penguin population is endangered due to overfishing by the local and foreign fisheries.

Well mr smarty britches, the clever penguins would kick / flick stones at him. lol.

When do they tap dance?

[HaleySabai]

What on earth is there to come back to? No Rule of Law, Convicted Murderers being released on bail, Nepotism up and down the line, substandard pay. No hope for any future,

..... inspite of it all,it is still a very nice place to live....if you have money

[Buchholz]

Here we go again. Taksin Shinawatra is world famous. That is a fact.

and the massive audiences he garners everywhere he goes is proof positive of that.

.

Edited August 14, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Well it seems that the charge for a ticket to the dinner was $200 !!!! Seems the people that agreed to host him are of the same ilk as Thaksin, just rob everybody blind!

One can only hope that the Thai community in New York and LA make sure that the restaurants that hosted him (sorry the really cheapo eating houses) are blacklisted and go out of business.

If the fiasco that was New York, Las Vegas, San Francisco, and Los Angeles are any indication, the restaurateurs *insert giggle* must be having second thoughts.

.

[waza]

Here we go again. Taksin Shinawatra is world famous. That is a fact.

and the massive audiences he garners everywhere he goes is proof positive of that.

.

Infamous, Dr Evil...........

[Buchholz]

BANGKOK — Former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has been visiting the United States on his first trip to the country since he was ousted in a coup in 2006.

His opponents have been demanding Washington revoke his visa and extradite the former leader to Thailand, where he faces jail time for conflict of interest charges from his time as leader.

The opposition Democrats have urged the Thai government to push the United States, a close ally of Thailand, for his arrest and extradition. On Friday, a group of about 200 protesters gathered outside the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok making the same demand......

Thai Foreign Ministry spokesman Sek Wannamethee says the government has no plans to seek Thaksin’s extradition.

“His trip to the United States is a private visit. And, we were never, the Thai government was never informed, nor were we aware of his program. As for his travels abroad, the Thai government, we don’t have a policy of restricting his traveling abroad.”

http://www.voanews.c...ce/1485791.html

The article also has Thai Foreign Ministry Spokesman Sek Wannamethee laughably claiming the government was not informed of Thaksin's trip to the USA.

[chooka]

BANGKOK — Former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has been visiting the United States on his first trip to the country since he was ousted in a coup in 2006.

His opponents have been demanding Washington revoke his visa and extradite the former leader to Thailand, where he faces jail time for conflict of interest charges from his time as leader.

The opposition Democrats have urged the Thai government to push the United States, a close ally of Thailand, for his arrest and extradition. On Friday, a group of about 200 protesters gathered outside the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok making the same demand......

Thai Foreign Ministry spokesman Sek Wannamethee says the government has no plans to seek Thaksin’s extradition.

“His trip to the United States is a private visit. And, we were never, the Thai government was never informed, nor were we aware of his program. As for his travels abroad, the Thai government, we don’t have a policy of restricting his traveling abroad.”

http://www.voanews.c...ce/1485791.html

The article also has Thai Foreign Ministry Spokesman Sek Wannamethee laughably claiming the government was not informed of Thaksin's trip to the USA.

Thai Visa members were informed days ago, I guess the politicians don't read this forum or listen to the populus

[Moruya]

It's obvious that Thaksin was opposed by significant numbers of American Thais during his recent attempt to build influence among the overseas Thai community in the USA.

I don't know why the American authorities let him in.

One thing I do know, however, is that I am enjoying his obvious discomfiture, just as I am enjoying the discomfiture of various lickspittle Thaksinistas like GK and PPD. It feels......good.

Indeed!

Their deity appears to have misplaced his square moosh.

[Moruya]

Here we go again. Taksin Shinawatra is world famous. That is a fact. He was removed from office illegally, also Fact. His conviction for a minor offense was all that a seething cauldron of Abhisit and his yellow shirt snakes could obtain. The whole Red Shirt Yellow shirt thing is a National embarrassment brought on by would be politicians that cannot control their emotions. It is over. We have a new government. If you don't like it prepare a credible manifesto and wait for the next general election.

What a waste if binary digits from someone who clearly knows jack s#t

[whybother]

Here we go again. Taksin Shinawatra is world famous. That is a fact. He was removed from office illegally, also Fact. His conviction for a minor offense was all that a seething cauldron of Abhisit and his yellow shirt snakes could obtain. The whole Red Shirt Yellow shirt thing is a National embarrassment brought on by would be politicians that cannot control their emotions. It is over. We have a new government. If you don't like it prepare a credible manifesto and wait for the next general election.

It's a bit hard to get convictions on his many other charges if he skips bail and goes on the run.

Sent from my HTC phone.

[Reasonableman]

Fortunately for TV, binary digits are eminently affordable to most posters.

[Ricardo]

Here we go again. Taksin Shinawatra is world famous. That is a fact. He was removed from office illegally, also Fact. His conviction for a minor offense was all that a seething cauldron of Abhisit and his yellow shirt snakes could obtain. The whole Red Shirt Yellow shirt thing is a National embarrassment brought on by would be politicians that cannot control their emotions. It is over. We have a new government. If you don't like it prepare a credible manifesto and wait for the next general election.

Sorry, but I think the word you were looking for is infamous, not famous ?

And would you perhaps agree that, had the fugitive former PM not run away (when his then brother-in-law PM-Somchai was in power), there would probably have been more one "conviction for a minor offence" by now ? Whose fault is it, that more of these cases have not been completed, surely the criminal who fails to be in court, to allow the charges to be read out to him ?

And would you not admit that "Abhisit and his yellow shirt snakes" had not yet come to power, when some of the cases outstanding were brought, so that's wrong too ?

Since we're talking about facts, and all ?

[Ricardo]

BANGKOK — Former Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has been visiting the United States on his first trip to the country since he was ousted in a coup in 2006.

His opponents have been demanding Washington revoke his visa and extradite the former leader to Thailand, where he faces jail time for conflict of interest charges from his time as leader.

The opposition Democrats have urged the Thai government to push the United States, a close ally of Thailand, for his arrest and extradition. On Friday, a group of about 200 protesters gathered outside the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok making the same demand......

Thai Foreign Ministry spokesman Sek Wannamethee says the government has no plans to seek Thaksin’s extradition.

“His trip to the United States is a private visit. And, we were never, the Thai government was never informed, nor were we aware of his program. As for his travels abroad, the Thai government, we don’t have a policy of restricting his traveling abroad.”

http://www.voanews.c...ce/1485791.html

"we were never" and "nor were we aware"

Perhaps the Foreign Ministry might care to talk, to their former boss (and now Thaksin's lawyer again) Noppadon Pattama, who announced a month ago that his master had obtained a U.S.-visa ?

Don't these people read the local newspapers (The Nation on 6th July), or talk to each other, before they make these ridiculous statements ?

Perhaps they should start reading ThaiVisa instead !

Edited August 15, 2012 by Ricardo

[Thaddeus]

so every thai you have ever seen has been personally paid to vote?

and do you ask every thai national you speak to?

or is that just hyperbole?

mmmm

Yep.

And I don't ask, they tell, it's very common talk, gossip, he paid this etc ..... if you are unaware of this, then you are unaware of this.

i'm not unaware of the existence of vote buying and i'm not denying that it happens.

but your answer was "Practically every Thai national I know, have spoken to or seen"

which means you think (practically) every thai national gets paid cash to vote, and it's hyperbolic bs.

So, you are aware of the existence of vote buying then and you don't deny it happens.

For you, as a farang, who cannot vote or have any involvement in the electoral system, to be aware of it, must mean that it is pretty blatantly obvious, doesn't it.

And please, don't try to infer that when I say 'every Thai national I know' it means 'every Thai national'

Free and Democratic elections, again, my backside.