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Jingthing Legendary Member

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Rumors that Armstrong is about to confess now:

The New York Times was first to report word from “people with direct knowledge of the situation” who claim Armstrong is considering admitting he used banned performance-enhancing drugs and blood transfusions during his career. The Wall Street Journal corroborated the rumors, although apparently only with a single source

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/01/05/lance_armstrong_will_cyclist_confess_to_doping_performance_enhancing_drugs.html

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http://msn.foxsports.com/cycling/story/report-lance-armstrong-to-admit-doping-oprah-winfrey-interview-011113

UPDATED JAN 12, 2013 2:44 AM ET

Lance Armstrong plans to admit, in an interview with Oprah Winfrey scheduled to tape on Monday, that he doped throughout his legendary cycling career, according to a published report.

USA Today, quoting "a person with knowledge of the situation," said Armstrong, who was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles, will acknowledge doping but won't get into details about specific cases.

The paper said its source "spoke to USA Today Sports on the condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to speak publicly about it."

The interview is set to take place Monday at Armstrong's Austin, Texas, home, and air Thursday on the Oprah Winfrey Network.

He is in a very precarious situation now. I guess the statute of limitations on potential drug trafficking, fraud, money laundering, embezzlement, etc mean he cannot be prosecuted, but I suspect many, many sponsors may try civil suits to recoup endorsement monies which were predicated on signed contracts which definitely had clauses covering unacceptable/illegal activities and behavior, and misrepresentations.

He's got a long, long road ahead. The fact that he so emphatically prevaricated, for so long, to so many, all while denigrating his multiple accusers by painting them as bitter dopers, will only make his potential re-birth all the more painful and lengthy. And what does he say to all those cancer survivors, or family members of those who passed away, who believed in him?

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carmine Ruby Member

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This whole business goes way further than his cheating in the sport. To my mind its the lengths he went to cover things up seemingly having no limits. Destroying peoples lives, careers, threats. Truely unbelievable. Does he think all will be forgiven if he cuddles up on the sofa next to Oprah...If it wasnøt for the fact he was a cancer sufferer a great deal more people would see him as the utterly disgusting character he is turning out to be.

Jingthing Legendary Member

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The title of this thread is quite IRONIC now ... coffee1.gif

BTW, I didn't like him before the scandal started and I still don't like him. But don't get carried away. No need to crucify the guy. Best to just forget about him.

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carmine Ruby Member

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The title of this thread is quite IRONIC now ... coffee1.gif

BTW, I didn't like him before the scandal started and I still don't like him. But don't get carried away. No need to crucify the guy. Best to just forget about him.

On hearing of the intimidation, threats and ruining of peoples lives, all in the name of keeping his cheating secret i think he should be crucified. well, financially atleast.

I would love to hear what Greg LeMonde has to say. especially as it is claimed by other cyclists that Armstrong causing the ruination of LeMondes cycling business

LaoPo Star Member

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BTW, I didn't like him before the scandal started and I still don't like him. But don't get carried away. No need to crucify the guy. Best to just forget about him.

Maybe that's because you never followed the Tour de France on a daily basis in July with many live hours on television ?

I remember him very well, riding those 7 Tour de France editions, and he was like superman from another world.

People stayed at home in the summer just because they wanted to see Armstrong, especially when the mountains came in sight, watching this unbelievable rider

He was a cycling hero for hundreds of millions of European cycling fans (except the French tongue.png ) and the combination of a rider who beat cancer and after that winning the TdF for 7 times brought him to heights which was never shown before in cycling although Belgian Eddy Merckx was a far better rider who won the TdF 5 times but also 5 times the Giro d'Italia and 1 time the Spanish Vuelta which Armstrong never won.

However, Merckx was also involved in doping rumors; but...who wasn't?

LA also never won other major European tours.

I wonder if he won the US "Ironman" editions clean....

The absolute MAJOR deception in Europe is that "we" have been lied upon by him for so many years; many believed his fierce denials, over and over again -even under oath in the USA- that he EVER used doping.

He was one of my all time sports heroes as well sad.png and like many others, we feel cheated and bashed and don't know what to think yet since the Oprah interview won't be aired until this coming weekend since we can't receive US channels, except CNN.

Sad really, but I think the man -deep down- is mentally sick.

One of the greatest sports heroes -EVER- has fallen so deep that I wonder if he can survive in a normal life although I heard that he still has so many supporters in the US.

But, he will never be able to return to France..he would be lynched...

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carmine Ruby Member

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BTW, I didn't like him before the scandal started and I still don't like him. But don't get carried away. No need to crucify the guy. Best to just forget about him.

Maybe that's because you never followed the Tour de France on a daily basis in July with many live hours on television ?

I remember him very well, riding those 7 Tour de France editions, and he was like superman from another world.

People stayed at home in the summer just because they wanted to see Armstrong, especially when the mountains came in sight, watching this unbelievable rider

He was a cycling hero for hundreds of millions of European cycling fans (except the French tongue.png ) and the combination of a rider who beat cancer and after that winning the TdF for 7 times brought him to heights which was never shown before in cycling although Belgian Eddy Merckx was a far better rider who won the TdF 5 times but also 5 times the Giro d'Italia and 1 time the Spanish Vuelta which Armstrong never won.

However, Merckx was also involved in doping rumors; but...who wasn't?

LA also never won other major European tours.

I wonder if he won the US "Ironman" editions clean....

The absolute MAJOR deception in Europe is that "we" have been lied upon by him for so many years; many believed his fierce denials, over and over again -even under oath in the USA- that he EVER used doping.

He was one of my all time sports heroes as well sad.png and like many others, we feel cheated and bashed and don't know what to think yet since the Oprah interview won't be aired until this coming weekend since we can't receive US channels, except CNN.

Sad really, but I think the man -deep down- is mentally sick.

One of the greatest sports heroes -EVER- has fallen so deep that I wonder if he can survive in a normal life although I heard that he still has so many supporters in the US.

But, he will never be able to return to France..he would be lynched...

Good post. I also think that he is quite possibly unstable. if the many reports emerging about campaigns of imtimidation and threats, trying to destroy people, if all this is true it puts him in a dreadful light. Greg LeMonde reckons Armstrongs been trying to destroy him for over ten years all because he said he was disappointed Armstrong was using Michele ferrari as a coach.

I have a feeling the Oprah interview is going to been one very nauseating experience

LaoPo Star Member

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BTW, I didn't like him before the scandal started and I still don't like him. But don't get carried away. No need to crucify the guy. Best to just forget about him.

Maybe that's because you never followed the Tour de France on a daily basis in July with many live hours on television ?

I remember him very well, riding those 7 Tour de France editions, and he was like superman from another world.

People stayed at home in the summer just because they wanted to see Armstrong, especially when the mountains came in sight, watching this unbelievable rider

He was a cycling hero for hundreds of millions of European cycling fans (except the French tongue.png ) and the combination of a rider who beat cancer and after that winning the TdF for 7 times brought him to heights which was never shown before in cycling although Belgian Eddy Merckx was a far better rider who won the TdF 5 times but also 5 times the Giro d'Italia and 1 time the Spanish Vuelta which Armstrong never won.

However, Merckx was also involved in doping rumors; but...who wasn't?

LA also never won other major European tours.

I wonder if he won the US "Ironman" editions clean....

The absolute MAJOR deception in Europe is that "we" have been lied upon by him for so many years; many believed his fierce denials, over and over again -even under oath in the USA- that he EVER used doping.

He was one of my all time sports heroes as well sad.png and like many others, we feel cheated and bashed and don't know what to think yet since the Oprah interview won't be aired until this coming weekend since we can't receive US channels, except CNN.

Sad really, but I think the man -deep down- is mentally sick.

One of the greatest sports heroes -EVER- has fallen so deep that I wonder if he can survive in a normal life although I heard that he still has so many supporters in the US.

But, he will never be able to return to France..he would be lynched...

Good post. I also think that he is quite possibly unstable. if the many reports emerging about campaigns of imtimidation and threats, trying to destroy people, if all this is true it puts him in a dreadful light. Greg LeMonde reckons Armstrongs been trying to destroy him for over ten years all because he said he was disappointed Armstrong was using Michele ferrari as a coach.

I have a feeling the Oprah interview is going to been one very nauseating experience

I just heard that Oprah's Network will not just air the planned 90 minutes but since the interview is supposed to be so thrilling they decided to air the first part of 80 minutes on Thursday Jan 17th in the US followed by a second part at a later date. (not yet known).

Tv programmes and other media all around Europe are full of news about LA and the fuzz is complete and total with also many supporters and cyclists who admire him even more since he admitted (but which nobody watched yet) since those supporters claim that he did what (almost) everybody was doing in cycling also (taking dope and/or EPO) but in a smarter way, next to his obsessed dedication to cycling and winning.

We'll see how far he can escape with all this but many organisations want their prize money back they once paid him and that runs into the many millions.

In Europe however we are very curious if the US authorities will prosecute him and send him to jail for his lying under oath which is a very serious offence.

After all, they did the same to Marion Jones in January 2008 when she wat sentenced to 6 months in prison and I don;t think that case was as serious as LA's case....

But, LA is befriended with a few (present and past) US Presidents; will that help ? whistling.gif

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Jingthing Legendary Member

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I doubt any ex-presidents will be seen with him again. Yes, he is disgraced. Word is he was very weasel like in the interview and didn't do a full on confession.

LaoPo Star Member

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I doubt any ex-presidents will be seen with him again. Yes, he is disgraced. Word is he was very weasel like in the interview and didn't do a full on confession.

I agree; but some pressure from DC could work since it wouldn't be nice for the Presidency to have LA jailed; face and all is also important in the US, isn't it?

Best is to put the whole case in a BIG pot, dig a big wide hole and let the case disappear from the news; but...that won't happen, will it?

I'm very curious about the follow up.

The sewer isn't fully open yet:

A televised confession by Lance Armstrong isn't enough.

Anti-doping officials want the disgraced cyclist to admit his guilt under oath before considering whether to lift a lifetime ban clouding his future as a competitive athlete.

Read more: http://www.mysananto...p#ixzz2I96mUsQL

LaoPo Star Member

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Need a supplier to rework my Livestrong wristband. Gotta change the engraving to LiveBong now. sad.png

Buy a GOLD one and have it engraved: PAYBOY LiveBong laugh.png

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LaoPo Star Member

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ARMSTRONG case......

It's getting hot under the feet of the (former and present) Officials at the UCI since some of them (seem to) have dirty hands:

PRESSURE FOR AMNESTY* (translated)

The independent commission appointed by the UCI to study the consequences of the Armstrong case publicly claimed Wednesday the possibility of an amnesty for witnesses who will go to confession.

The great unpacking going to take place?

When Lance Armstrong program confession, the pressure returns to the International Cycling Union. On the one hand because the old American rider could accuse the former leaders of the UCI, starting with Hein Verbruggen, accused of accepting even helped the doping system in place at U.S. Postal. On the other hand, because the anti-doping authorities (the U.S. agency - USADA - and global agency - AMA) assured Tuesday that it would not participate in the work of the independent commission that evaluates the impact of the Armstrong case if proceedings "truth and reconciliation" was not implemented.

A total or partial amnesty

Wednesday, it was the turn of the commission itself, though appointed by the UCI to request this option. In other words, she believes that amnesty, total or partial, must be offered to riders and cycling actors who speak openly of doping and its organization. "Such a procedure would ensure to have at our disposal the most comprehensive available evidence at the hearings in April 2013," said a statement while pointing out that "9 January 2013, the UCI has indicated that the proposal was unacceptable. '

To increase the pressure, the commission announced a procedural hearing in public as soon as possible from 21 January to discuss the possibility of an amnesty with the UCI. The three-member committee is headed by a former judge of the court of appeal in Britain, Sir Philip Otton, assisted by UK Athletics Paralympic champion, Tanni Grey-Thomson, Australian lawyer and Malcolm Holmes. Their conclusion is expected on June 1, but may be delayed in case of a "truth and reconciliation".

* From: http://www.lequipe.f...amnistie/342870

* Translated from Google

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LaoPo Star Member

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Lance Armstrong stripped of Olympic medal

By Josh Levs, CNN

January 17, 2013 -- Updated 1427 GMT (2227 HKT)

(CNN) -- Not only is disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong no longer officially a Tour de France winner -- he's no longer an Olympic medalist either.

The International Olympic Committee has stripped Armstrong of the bronze medal he won at the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney, Australia, an IOC spokesman said Thursday. The committee has told Armstrong to return it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/17/sport/armstrong-doping/

LaoPo Star Member

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Yes, but is he a psychopath?

http://bigthink.com/...ican-psychopath

And if so, can he use that as a defense in court?

Frankly, for most people I would worry about suicide risk after such a rapid public disgracing. Lance, I think he'll be just fine.

Suicide; yes, it passed my own mind as well but I agree with your opinion.

However, one never knows, the pressure he is in, now already for such a long time, must be immense and his family and children must suffer also a great deal and feel and see the pain in not only LA but also themselves, friends at school and their surroundings.

The pressure must be HUGE.

But, he surely is a VERY special human being.

AND: coming back to your question if he's to be considered a psychopath...

Yes, I think so since he shows various signs of a psychopath but I'll leave the decision IF he is one to the specialists in this field, like Kevin Dutton (from your link) who wrote:

"Dutton argues that there are indeed “functional psychopaths” among us—different from their murderous counterparts—who use their detached, unflinching, and charismatic personalities to succeed in mainstream society, and that shockingly, in some fields, the more “psychopathic” people are, the more likely they are to succeed."

http://www.amazon.com/The-Wisdom-Psychopaths-Killers-ebook/dp/B007NKN9U8

Jingthing Legendary Member

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He'll always be welcome to move to Pattaya ... coffee1.gif

(Avoiding any places where French people gather though.)

Not sure he'll fall that far though. whistling.gif

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LaoPo Star Member

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He'll always be welcome to move to Pattaya ... coffee1.gif

(Avoiding any places where French people gather though.)

Not sure he'll fall that far though. whistling.gif

He won't; he has other things on his mind.

For no money in the world I would like to be in his shoes....it must be awful sad.png

manarak Ruby Member

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I am happy to see put in his right and due place one of the symbols of one of the most annoying group of forum posters: the (hopefully former) Lance Armstrong admirers.

At the same time, reality also catches up with Boeing and their fanboys on the forum.

I hope nobody dies because of Boeing's crappy Dreamliner.

For no money in the world I would like to be in his shoes....it must be awful

oh, don't worry, after paying off all of the 60 million potential liabilities, Armstrong will still have over 40 million on the bank... because that crook right now weighs over 100 million of ill gotten gains.

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