Unable To Take 'no' As The Answer.

[mightyharriss]

I wouldn't have it in my place. Said male would be out on his arse quick smart

[arthurwait]

Whereas there are some bars that follow the above protocol, these are not for the tourist or expat. If I was a bar owner again, and bar fines were part of the menu, then for sure I would employ staff who weren't up for the 'take-away'. Nothing quite like a successful bar with no staff as they have been all 'offed' is there?

You clearly know nothing about farang bars in Pattaya.

Many of these bars don't make profit from selling beer, they make money from collecting bar-fines.

Most of their staff are required to collect 8 bar fines a month and 20 lady drinks (coloured water), else their wages are reduced accordingly. As for no staff left, many of the girls return to work after an hour or so, or have 'booths' upstairs.

Thai bars are entirely different, they sell drinks not girls.

While the above maybe true. There are girls in these types of bars who don't bar fine for exactly the reasons the poster said. The cleaner, the cashier, the bar owner or the bar owners wife/girlfriend, girls just there to serve, along with girls who do have boyfriends providing enough although when someone younger or percieved to be richer or those they get to know come along 'loyalty' usually goes out the window, but if you are working in these kinds of bars and not bar fining it's just a matter of time before you get a problem with a drunk.

The Thai bar bit is confusing me though as there is hundreds of times the amount of Thai bars doing this than there are farang bars. Even in respectable bars and restaurants you can often see the waitress or beer girl handing her phone number out to blokes who she normally wouldn't look twice at.

[TommoPhysicist]

While the above maybe true. There are girls in these types of bars who don't bar fine for exactly the reasons the poster said. The cleaner, the cashier, the bar owner or the bar owners wife/girlfriend, girls just there to serve, along with girls who do have boyfriends providing enough although when someone younger or percieved to be richer or those they get to know come along 'loyalty' usually goes out the window, but if you are working in these kinds of bars and not bar fining it's just a matter of time before you get a problem with a drunk.

I agree there are many girls pretending they don't do bar fines, usually to snag a gullible punter or up their price.

I don't know of any respectable girls that would work in a hooker bar and associate with prostitutes.

As for the owners wife, usually available if they think the owner won't find out.

[chrisinth]

Why should she HAVE to go because of an asshol_e doesn't understand the word NO.

Because she is employed as a hooker in a hooker bar.

Or would you normally expect to pay staff who refuse to work?

How do you know that Tommo?

What wording would be on her contract seeing as prostitution has been illegal in Thailand for the last 52 years? Can't see it being on her CV either; I have just added that bit for the ones that think employment into the bar scene is like any other business venture.

You know, throughout this thread (and many, many others) it still astounds my how many people stereotype bars in Pattaya. They see every bargirl employed being available for an 'off' whether they want to or not, They seem to have an image of the mama san slapping the girl about and sending her on her way with the punter. Incredible!

Whereas there are some bars that follow the above protocol, these are not for the tourist or expat. If I was a bar owner again, and bar fines were part of the menu, then for sure I would employ staff who weren't up for the 'take-away'. Nothing quite like a successful bar with no staff as they have been all 'offed' is there?

Opinions are mostly based on experience and IMHO the majority of posters here who stereotype bars must be used to some real dives. Either that or they are basing their observations on 20 year old experiences. Or they believe everything they see and hear from second parties and have never set foot in a Pattaya bar before.

Minor rant over...................

As for the bar PD has described, given that he uses it quite regularly and has not seen a bar fine paid in over a year, it pretty much typifies a lot of the smaller bars in Pattaya. The guy described in the OP is an @sshole regardless of any part of the scenario that is missing. The owner of the bar should be informed and he/she should make the choice as to what has to be done. If one of them, the customer or the bargirl, has to go, then it should be based on which will have least impact on their business.

Bars in Pattaya that don't have the income of bar fines, hmmmmm. What percent of bars in Pattaya would that be? Restaurants I can see but bars in Pattaya with no bar fines? How many? Not family marts or 7/11 but bars. Hmmmm.

I can't think of any. Farang bars? The large pubs with restaurants sure. But small bars in Pattaya? Does anyone really kow of one?

You seem to have misread what I wrote; I can't remember writing anywhere that the bars do not use the bar fine system. What I wrote was that not all the girls are in that system or employed for that reason.

The purpose of the bar fine is to compensate the bar for the lose of a member of staff due to her being out of the bar. This was based on the girl's daily wages. Of course this has been exploited over the years. For sure, many of the bars are setup for their girls being 'offed', that is why so many are employed by the bar.

But the main point of my previous post is that not all of them are setup for this and not all of them are reliant on that income.

[wellred]

She should have just said something along the lines of 3k BF and I only do ST - 10k. He would have got the picture then.

[chrisinth]

Whereas there are some bars that follow the above protocol, these are not for the tourist or expat. If I was a bar owner again, and bar fines were part of the menu, then for sure I would employ staff who weren't up for the 'take-away'. Nothing quite like a successful bar with no staff as they have been all 'offed' is there?

You clearly know nothing about farang bars in Pattaya.

Many of these bars don't make profit from selling beer, they make money from collecting bar-fines.

Most of their staff are required to collect 8 bar fines a month and 20 lady drinks (coloured water), else their wages are reduced accordingly. As for no staff left, many of the girls return to work after an hour or so, or have 'booths' upstairs.

Thai bars are entirely different, they sell drinks not girls.

8 years as a standin bar manager in Pattaya followed by 13 years running a bar I think qualifies my point of view on the subject; I am just wondering what your in depth qualifications are. Mine comes from both sides of the bar.

Where did I mention anything about 'farang' bars? The subject of my post was based on bars in Pattaya and as to why they are stereotyped. Whereas above you state that many of these bars don't make profit from selling beer alone, you are indeed correct. But you are basing the many as all, read your last posts on this thread.

[ishan14]

Ask your friend to kick his balls the next time he trobules her. A good blow in the nutsack will give that <snip> a good lesson.

[GuestHouse]

My boss keeps asking me if I'll take an assignment to Iraq, I keep saying no, he keeps asking.

It's all part of the business I work in.

I doubt anyone would ask me to go to Iraq if I had stayed back home working the farm.

[StreetCowboy]

My boss keeps asking me if I'll take an assignment to Iraq, I keep saying no, he keeps asking.

It's all part of the business I work in.

I doubt anyone would ask me to go to Iraq if I had stayed back home working the farm.

Shouldn't've joined the SAS then, should you?

SC

[whistleblower]

Unfortunately there are some who believe all Thai women are game and refuse to believe otherwise, sad fact. Tell her to quietly go to the bathroom so management and others can't see/hear her and make a phone call to the BF. Suspect a few minutes later things could get interesting.

The OP hasn't clarified if the bar operates a bar fine system.

He doesn't appear to be talking about all Thai women, just one girl working in a hooker bar in Pattaya.

Anyway, even a hooker has the right to say no, if she doesn't like the look of a guy.

But if I remember correctly PD does like to make posts about Pattaya hookers that refuse customers so I'm thinking 'hidden motive' for making these posts. A bit of self-delusion maybe.

I have often been in bars where I actually talk to the staff and get to know them, not like some who seem to look upon all the staff as pieces of meat to be bought / hired for the night.

Not ALL places have women who are bar fine-able believe it or not. You can often find women who are happy to be earning money for their families These places do exist all over Thailand.

In my experience guys who talk to and befriend hookers in their place of work are usually trying to weedle a freebie

[mania]

My boss keeps asking me if I'll take an assignment to Iraq, I keep saying no, he keeps asking.

It's all part of the business I work in.

I doubt anyone would ask me to go to Iraq if I had stayed back home working the farm.

Fair enough not really the same thing but I see what your trying to claim.

But

What if it was not your boss but a customer of the company you work for begging you to move to Iraq?

What if this customer started blocking your passage with his arms begging you to go to Iraq?

Basically will not take a polite no for an answer from you.

Would you just say well I work for this type of company that employs some folks who go to Iraq so off to Iraq I go

(Note: the OP has stated many times this bar does not barfine)

Finally realize your new job description in Iraq is to do things not in your job description at all.

Yes probably wouldn't happen on the farm. Is that were folks must stay if they dont want to be pestered by some perve

that thinks all things are for sale?

[mogandave]

Women that work at bars the complain about being hit on is like a carpenter complaining about splinters.

[maxme]

Women that work at bars the complain about being hit on is like a carpenter complaining about splinters.

And another one...

[GuestHouse]

(Note: the OP has stated many times this bar does not barfine)

No he has not.

He said that he's never seen any of the staff bar fined which is not a statement that the staff are not being bar fined.

I think the OP should ride in on a white horse, defend the maiden's honour and rescue her.

[GuestHouse]

What does being repulsive have to do with it? Ever consider that the girl is already being provided for financially by her boyfriend, therefore has no need to short time any guy, repulsive or handsome. She may also have a sense of loyalty, believe it or not, some do.

Let me get this straight.

If she's being provided fir she'll not prostitute herself and be loyal.

The corollary to which is?!

Guess what, there are alternatives to prostitution for Thai women who are not being finacially provided for, millions of Thai women take those other options.

[chiangmaikelly]

(Note: the OP has stated many times this bar does not barfine)

No he has not.

He said that he's never seen any of the staff bar fined which is not a statement that the staff are not being bar fined.

I think the OP should ride in on a white horse, defend the maiden's honour and rescue her.

I agree. http://www.ridingschoolasia.com/

Whatever you need Pattayas got you covered.

[bangkokburning]

Its not your place to step in - at all!

She should be fired. She stated she did not bar fine. What is the purpose of going to such an establishment except to bf a prostitute or drink the promotional under p:-D riced draft beer?

If the guy was rude, threatening, even fugly. If she was on her period or ill that is another atter.

All women that refuse to bf should be reported to mgt as you leave and inform you will not be returning as his women good enough to slam over priced drinks but too good for company.

Report and dont return.

It is well understood that ALL the women save for staff are available. If mgt is putting up women that are not available its downright dishonest unless she is his piece of ass. What if they all not available? Youd feel a fool then no?

I never bar fined a eoman out of a club and nrver bought a girl a drink in a club. Never felt I missed out on anything.

[mania]

I think the OP should ride in on a white horse, defend the maiden's honour and rescue her.

Don't know if there are many white horses still alive in Thailands falang community

No shortage of broken folks though that lost all sense of right & wrong.

No shortage of folks that probably got hurt once & now blame a whole race/industry

No shortage of folks who would never pull the same crap in "their" country regardless of industry.

Anyway ....Will let you get back to defending the actions of the perp in the original post now in your round about way.

[chiangmaikelly]

Its not your place to step in - at all!

She should be fired. She stated she did not bar fine. What is the purpose of going to such an establishment except to bf a prostitute or drink the promotional under p:-D riced draft beer?

If the guy was rude, threatening, even fugly. If she was on her period or ill that is another atter.

All women that refuse to bf should be reported to mgt as you leave and inform you will not be returning as his women good enough to slam over priced drinks but too good for company.

Report and dont return.

It is well understood that ALL the women save for staff are available. If mgt is putting up women that are not available its downright dishonest unless she is his piece of ass. What if they all not available? Youd feel a fool then no?

I never bar fined a eoman out of a club and nrver bought a girl a drink in a club. Never felt I missed out on anything.

I agree partly. It's been years since I paid a bar fine. But not everybody is like us. Everyone was new at one time or another. I also dont think we should discount the fact that not all bars in Pattaya have women who are available for money. If you read the thread there is a man who was a club manager and another who is a customer and they insist that not all women who work in bars are on the game. Either there is one born every minute and PT Barnum was correct or this in fact may be the case in Pattaya.

[chiangmaikelly]

I think the OP should ride in on a white horse, defend the maiden's honour and rescue her.

Don't know if there are many white horses still alive in Thailands falang community

No shortage of broken folks though that lost all sense of right & wrong.

No shortage of folks that probably got hurt once & now blame a whole race/industry

No shortage of folks who would never pull the same crap in "their" country regardless of industry.

Anyway ....Will let you get back to defending the actions of the perp in the original post now in your round about way.

Now see there you go not reading the thread. http://www.ridingschoolasia.com/

Horseback riding is big in Pattaya among my set at least. As is sailing.

[CharlieH]

Well, as I read it, the bar is a quiet place no music etc and I think its just a case of mistaken identity, the guy "thinks" its one of "those" bars and acted accordingly, thinking the girl was fair game, maybe he doesnt know that "normal" bars exist in Thailand. I would have simply informed him and said "you do realize its not that kind of bar,and you may cause a problem". He'll either accept that and stop or carry on being a pri** and its then the manager's/owners problem.

If it is that kind of bar then the girl should leave, why work in a butcher's shop if you dont want to serve the meat. She's in the wrong place, either accept it, or move on.

But, that's just my opinion and my take on the situation.

[GuestHouse]

Anyway ....Will let you get back to defending the actions of the perp in the original post now in your round about way.

Alledged perp!

[mania]

Anyway ....Will let you get back to defending the actions of the perp in the original post now in your round about way.

Alledged perp!

If you say so but out of curiosity, What country do you originally hail from?

I always thought "NO" meant the same thing in pretty much all countries.

Perhaps the perp comes from the same country hence the confusion at being told "No"

[bangkokburning]

Sorry - was my impression this was some fool p4p setup. Yes loads of bars staff should not be subjected to yhat crap BUT staff also must know that hassles like that come with being emplyed in PTY.

The guy was an abdolute donkey to persue it after the first fail. If that was the case.

[chiangmaikelly]

Anyway ....Will let you get back to defending the actions of the perp in the original post now in your round about way.

Alledged perp!

If you say so but out of curiosity, What country do you originally hail from?

I always thought "NO" meant the same thing in pretty much all countries.

Perhaps the perp comes from the same country hence the confusion at being told "No"

In the USA even yes means no. Maybe the same in other places.

[CharlieH]

I think the OP should ride in on a white horse, defend the maiden's honour and rescue her.

Don't know if there are many white horses still alive in Thailands falang community

No shortage of broken folks though that lost all sense of right & wrong.

No shortage of folks that probably got hurt once & now blame a whole race/industry

No shortage of folks who would never pull the same crap in "their" country regardless of industry.

Anyway ....Will let you get back to defending the actions of the perp in the original post now in your round about way.

Now see there you go not reading the thread. http://www.ridingschoolasia.com/

Horseback riding is big in Pattaya among my set at least. As is sailing.

Got quite interested when I saw the link, got my bubble burst by the pathetic 80kg weight restriction !

[samran]

Unfortunately there are some who believe all Thai women are game and refuse to believe otherwise, sad fact. Tell her to quietly go to the bathroom so management and others can't see/hear her and make a phone call to the BF. Suspect a few minutes later things could get interesting.

Nobody likes to see two 75yr olds fighting though

Where does age come into this,or is it just an opportunity for you to voice your predjudiced opinion?

what if we added in jelly wrestling between the two blokes. Free box of viagra for the winner.

Would that make it PC enough?

[chiangmaikelly]

I think the OP should ride in on a white horse, defend the maiden's honour and rescue her.

Don't know if there are many white horses still alive in Thailands falang community

No shortage of broken folks though that lost all sense of right & wrong.

No shortage of folks that probably got hurt once & now blame a whole race/industry

No shortage of folks who would never pull the same crap in "their" country regardless of industry.

Anyway ....Will let you get back to defending the actions of the perp in the original post now in your round about way.

Now see there you go not reading the thread. http://www.ridingschoolasia.com/

Horseback riding is big in Pattaya among my set at least. As is sailing.

Got quite interested when I saw the link, got my bubble burst by the pathetic 80kg weight restriction !

I know you probably aren't interested but there are women living in Pattaya who fly their horses around with them. Do you know how much it costs to fly a horse? You guys think Pattaya is cheap seats but there are some really big bucks there especially among the horsey set. Whenever I want to save a damsel and need a horse I go to THE THAI POLO CLUB it regularly stables and plays at some of the finest Argentinean and Australian polo ponies in Asia. Currently the club keeps 60 polo ponies for club chukkas. All of them are beautifully groomed and tended-to to enhance their speed and safety. In case you are interested, please kindly check for availability of ponies before you arrive.

[billd766]

Its not your place to step in - at all!

She should be fired. She stated she did not bar fine. What is the purpose of going to such an establishment except to bf a prostitute or drink the promotional under p:-D riced draft beer?

If the guy was rude, threatening, even fugly. If she was on her period or ill that is another atter.

All women that refuse to bf should be reported to mgt as you leave and inform you will not be returning as his women good enough to slam over priced drinks but too good for company.

Report and dont return.

It is well understood that ALL the women save for staff are available. If mgt is putting up women that are not available its downright dishonest unless she is his piece of ass. What if they all not available? Youd feel a fool then no?

I never bar fined a eoman out of a club and nrver bought a girl a drink in a club. Never felt I missed out on anything.

There are quite a few places in Bangkok where I used to go for a drink and some piece and quiet without being hassled for drinks and women being either available or offered.

It seems she stated clearly that she did not bar fine and as such he should have respected that. If a woman works in a bar and does not want to sell herself that is her RIGHT to do so.

I would also assume that the management would know that after a day or two. If they had a problem with that she would have been fired but she is still there.

Not ALL women working in bars in Thailand or elswhere are available and if they say no then let it go. If you are so desperate for a woman go next door or to another bar and never go back the where your ego was deflated.

If I was in a bar and no women were available for p4p I certainly wouldn't feel a fool. I would be glad to find a bar like that for a quiet peaceful drink.

If I was so desperate for casual sex I would go elsewhere.

If you think the drinks are overpriced complain to the management as they set the prices and don't go back.

[elliss]

love love love ,

the guy was probably besotted by the innocent, coy and verginal vibes

given off by the lady , oops typo error, LADIES , do not work bars .

what is your definition of a LADY? , mine is of a woman held in high respect .

rainbow warriors, zimmers at the ready , and false teeth out ,