siampolee Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Interesting to note how the Red Goggled readers disparage a site that debunks the myth of Thaksin as a man of peace and the liberator of the oppressed. Much like the Kray twins were made out to be till they ended up in Broadmoor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pi Sek Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 interesting link below which shows that Thaksin as a sponsor of the Red Shirt movement is not exactly the paragon of virtue that his supporters like to think he is..Indeed there is more black than white when one reads through the passages and also links to other Red Shirt propaganda, misinformation sites too. http://landdestroyer...-hide-army.html Warning to the sane unless you are looking for some masochistic amusement .I didn't even open the landdestroyer link this time.For about a year or so I did monitor his blog from time to time.After the endless attempted justifications of dictatorial regimes (he is a great fan of Syria's murderous regime) I eventually lost patience.However the big problem is that he is quite mad, not Thai Visa madness which is rarely more than eccentricity, but real barking mad. Maybe so, but this article has some good points. He couldn't help but add something about globalists at the end though! (Maybe a grain of truth to all this stuff, but it is real tin-hat stuff as TheKrayTriplet said.) I don't doubt that the army did at some point shoot live rounds at protesters but I would also suspect that it was in self defence while under fire - that is what they are trained to do, there is no doubt in my mind that the protesters are responsible for most of the shootings, what bothers me the most is the fact that no foreign journalists have come forward and published what they saw - oh I forgot they shot any of them that actually saw what happened. Perhaps a large reward and amnesty to any MIB that want to come forward and give evidence would yield the truth and clear this up once and for all but of course that would not be in the interests of the sitting government I suspect the large cash reward with amnesty would add enough doubt to the witness statement to render it baseless. Especially as noone wants to be in the wrong here, being "in the right" is central to their support bases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 interesting link below which shows that Thaksin as a sponsor of the Red Shirt movement is not exactly the paragon of virtue that his supporters like to think he is..Indeed there is more black than white when one reads through the passages and also links to other Red Shirt propaganda, misinformation sites too. http://landdestroyer...-hide-army.html Warning to the sane unless you are looking for some masochistic amusement .I didn't even open the landdestroyer link this time.For about a year or so I did monitor his blog from time to time.After the endless attempted justifications of dictatorial regimes (he is a great fan of Syria's murderous regime) I eventually lost patience.However the big problem is that he is quite mad, not Thai Visa madness which is rarely more than eccentricity, but real barking mad. You may be right in your opinion, there seem to be a few 'conspiracy theory' items on various topics. Still the article siampolee pointed to has two interesting links: http://in.mobile.reu...-47881220100421 http://www.nytimes.c...7thai.html?_r=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dap Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Interesting revelation during the discussion yesterday was that that the families of the soldiers killed in May Mayhem 2010 received only 400,000 baht while the families of the Red Shirts killed received over 7,000,000 baht. I'm surprised the Red Shirts are protesting against this clear "Double Standard". . Cuz' they're still trying to figure out why they didn't get 7,400,000 Baht each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Couldn't they have said this all in parliament? Only if the House Speaker allocates them time to do so. . when they were in power, they could have said it and arrest all the men behind. I presume you mean Abhisit and the democrats, yes? They had a year and a half of fresh evidence and several committees on the case and exactly what happened? Nothing, Zilch, Nada. Exactly! Abhisit was a very weak premier. But at least he wasn't a criminal as the Shinawatra clan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coma Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I have little doubt that Thaksin and his cronies were behind the Mercs in black. He had both the means and motive. The democrats makes some good points but they have failed to provide the solid evidence that I was expecting to be presented. No smoking gun at all. More like a lead fart actually. Disappointing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 A post containing an off topic link has been removed. Stay on topic please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZEMADE Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) I have little doubt that Thaksin and his cronies were behind the Mercs in black. He had both the means and motive. The democrats makes some good points but they have failed to provide the solid evidence that I was expecting to be presented. No smoking gun at all. More like a lead fart actually. Disappointing. I think they the Democrats have only bought this crap up as a throw off, as I read an article that quite clearly points out, that if there was to be an election today the Current Gov would win.It also statesThaksin and his Sister are well liked by the majority of the Thai people and think Thaksin was good to the people and his sister has blossomed into a good leader. Yes the Democrats will have to do better than make up this unproven story, they need facts about Thaksin and the Black shirts. It is called proof and must be beyond reasonable doubt. I agree no smoking gun. Edited October 14, 2012 by OZEMADE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Nothing more than a plug by Abhisit for his soon to be released book...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 I am not sure why Abhisit needed a committee to take action when he was PM.If the evidence was so oveerwhelming on the MIB it should have been possible to detain all or some of them and through interrogation establish the sponsoring individuals, objectives and funding source.Everybody else including red leaders and many rank and file were interrogated and/or detained, so why the exception.So h90 and others are right -why was nothing done when Abhisit and Suthep held power? Forgive me I'm all for a full investigation but the spazzy rhetoric at Lumpini now fails to cut the mustard. One forgets quite easily that the police are well trained and unaligned to the red shirt movement. Their efforts in dispersing the red shirts were quite remarkable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 One forgets quite easily that the police are well trained and unaligned to the red shirt movement. Their efforts in dispersing the red shirts were quite remarkable. Yes indeed, unlike the RTA, whose first attempt, the Phan Fah dispersal, resulted the deaths of over 20 people....... and failed Yes indeed, if only the police with special units and trained for crowd control would have had the courage to do the dispersal. Not only didn't they, but with the army encountering the MiB one may wonder if there is something really devious in getting both army and government of the day look bad. 15 protesters, 1 reporter and 5 army personel, but at least the UDD leaders had a fun day and new material for their hate speeches which were broadcasted 24x7 on the stage and on PTV. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DP25 Posted October 14, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted October 14, 2012 It's good that the Democrats are finally saying what really happened back then. But they should have been screaming it from the top of their lungs for over 2 years now. By being passive for so long in the face of a merciless enemy who will not only lie but has no qualms about killing as many people as necessary, they allowed them to gain momentum and spread their false version of events to millions of people and especially overseas. It was clear at the time that Thaksin was attempting to create a bloodbath in his attempt to overthrow the government and return the confiscated billions he stole from the Thai people, and this required his paramilitary terrorist wing to ratchet up the violence to levels no government could accept. The fact that these events are even being debated is a public relations failure on the part of Abhisit and the Democrats. They just kind of blindly assumed everyone would understand what was going on, and while at the time it may have been clear to many especially in Bangkok, they allowed Thaksin a year to spread his lies virtually unopposed which tilted the discourse to his favor. Over time things get hazy and people forget, and when the loudspeakers are spewing out Thaksin's false version of events everyday, that is what some people start to remember. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilDrSomkid Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Is it not possible that the Dems have been collecting evidence this whole time? Apparently, they now have solid evidence linking the MIB directly to Jatuporn and Nattawut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Off topic posts and replies have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauGR1 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Is it not possible that the Dems have been collecting evidence this whole time? Apparently, they now have solid evidence linking the MIB directly to Jatuporn and Nattawut. Pandora's Jar comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 One forgets quite easily that the police are well trained and unaligned to the red shirt movement. Their efforts in dispersing the red shirts were quite remarkable. < moderator-deleted post removed > Yes indeed, if only the police with special units and trained for crowd control would have had the courage to do the dispersal. Not only didn't they, but with the army encountering the MiB one may wonder if there is something really devious in getting both army and government of the day look bad. 15 protesters, 1 reporter and 5 army personel, but at least the UDD leaders had a fun day and new material for their hate speeches which were broadcasted 24x7 on the stage and on PTV. What was the results of the police investigating the Men in Black? Have they even undertaken that task? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocN Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 >sigh< isn't he behind anything, from growing beer- prices to bad weather...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarangTalk Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Reconciliation anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableguy Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Now their just slinging <deleted>. No better than other side. I have thought this all along makes perfect sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 An off topic post has been removed. This topic is not about Abhisit. Default forum font size is Arial size 14, not tiny font. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 >sigh< isn't he behind anything, from growing beer- prices to bad weather...? The weather perhaps not, but the recent increase in excise-duties is indeed attributable, to the "Thaksin Thinks, Pheu Thai Acts" government ! Cheers ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddo Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 AND THE SHOW GOES ON...! Typical Thai; incriminating without hard evidence. Please mr. Apirak Kosayodhin unveil who were the so-called men in black, couldn't you do it when you addressed the party meeting? I think you are Bullsh*****g with a big B. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfiddler Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Anyone with half a brain knows that the blackshirts were part of the redshirt entourage, and the government at that time excercised FAR too much restraint in controlling the redshirt thuggery in Bangkok. Any civilised world government would have put them in their place long before the Abhisit government made their move, and the lack of police support can only be described as sad, very sad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirit47 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 He speaks out, what I thought all the time, but it is not sure 100%. But I think, the Thaksin Clan handle more the old classic mafia style... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimamey Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Couldn't they have said this all in parliament? Only if the House Speaker allocates them time to do so. . Well there is something else to change in the system. Any MP should be free to raise whatever they like in parliament. PMs questions, always entertaining and a vital part. PM's questions is always good to watch in the UK. But then we have an advantage there as we have our PM in parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maidu Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 (edited) Seh Daeng was widely believed to the the MIB's leader. His assassination was probably the work of a rogue MIB or someone similarly in touch with the Reds and Thaksin' money machine, directly or indirectly. Reason; Sae Dang was the ONLY MIB who could have been hauled before a tribunal and charged and/or questioned right after the riots. Thus far, there have been no MIB suspects who have come out and admitted their roles. There has been at least one v. strong suspect, who matched a facial photo perfectly, but this is Thailand, and if the ruling party doesn't want something/someone investigated, they can gum up the works. That's the scenario here. The PT party is hook line and sinker involved with the riots and deaths in Bangkok (and some provinces) of Spring 2010, so it's to their advantage to foot drag and obfuscate as much as possible. Edited October 14, 2012 by maidu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfalfa19 Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 The four questions make a lot of sense to me, except for number 3. I believe he probably was killed by a govt. sniper, and rightfully so. He was dangerous, and advocating violence in a very reckless manner. I don't believe he was a "sacrificial lamb", but I do believe he was a very dangerous loose cannon who had to be killed for the safety of everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Seh Daeng was widely believed to the the MIB's leader. His assassination was probably the work of a rogue MIB or someone similarly in touch with the Reds and Thaksin' money machine, directly or indirectly. Reason; Sae Dang was the ONLY MIB who could have been hauled before a tribunal and charged and/or questioned right after the riots. Thus far, there have been no MIB suspects who have come out and admitted their roles. There has been at least one v. strong suspect, who matched a facial photo perfectly, but this is Thailand, and if the ruling party doesn't want something/someone investigated, they can gum up the works. That's the scenario here. The PT party is hook line and sinker involved with the riots and deaths in Bangkok (and some provinces) of Spring 2010, so it's to their advantage to foot drag and obfuscate as much as possible. He was a general....it is my understanding no charges can be filed against a general.....so who is likely to eradicate a rogue general who cannot be charged after the event? Hint..read the post above! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 does anyone posting here think that the various videos and pictures of protesters with AK47's were fake ? there's not much else to be said here, eyes wide open brain engaged I also think that certain foreign reporters were murdered because they saw and photographed what was going on - how could they have known the trouble they were in trying to do their job. Think long and hard about the top 10 evil men in human history - the nature of evil deeds is not measured in quantity but quality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Replying to Democrats: Thaksin Was Behind Men In Black As if everyone hadn't guessed it! And now I suppose Thaksin will be suing for Defamation of Character,in the Courts he hasn't got the guts to attend in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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