webfact Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Key red shirt leader testifies to DSI BANGKOK, Oct 22 - Jatuporn Prompan, one of the key red shirt leaders, urge investigators at the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) to seek cooperation from the army in an attempt to locate the black-clad men alleged to have involved in the 2010 political violence. In his testimony to the DSI today concerning the deadly clashes between security forces and red-shirt protesters in April and May 2010, Mr Jatuporn said the red shirt protests were peaceful gatherings of unarmed demonstrators. Mr Jatuporn urged the DSI to secure close-circuit camera's footage at the Army's 11th Infantry Regiment, adding that he learned from army sources that the men in black actually came from the army's unit which was used as a command centre of the now-dissolved Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES). The red shirt leader said he came to the DSI to testify as a witness in the incident. Mr Jatuporn said he did not harbour any ill intention against the military but wanted justice done with the then-prime minister and deputy prime minister who ordered (military operations). When asked whether he could confirm the existence of black-clad men, the red shirt leader said the matter was cooked-up, saying the only media agency capturing images of alleged men in black released the picture three days after recording it on April 10 which he described as unusual. The mysterious "men in black" have been linked to the red-shirt United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) and were believed by some to have attacked security forces and killed people during the political violence. The UDD has offered an additional 1 million baht reward for information about the men in black on top of the 1 million baht bounty already announced by the DSI last week for information leading to arrests of the suspects. Mr Jatuporn said there were some people who expressed interest in contributing additional cash rewards for this purpose. (MCOT online news) -- TNA 2012-10-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GentlemanJim Posted October 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2012 How do you know when Jatuporn is lying?.........He opens his mouth! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Mr Jatuporn urged the DSI to secure close-circuit camera's footage at the Army's 11th Infantry Regiment, adding that he learned from army sources that the men in black actually came from the army's unit which was used as a command centre of the now-dissolved Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES). Another one who testifies to have heard and been told by others that ... ... ... With the same validity I might be induced to remark that I've been told by someone in a position to know that there is possibly evidence which could make me wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to investigate all those who I do not like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiSoLowSoNoSo Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Mr Jatuporn said he did not harbour any ill intention against the military but wanted justice done with the then-prime minister and deputy prime minister who ordered (military operations). Red shirt style justice or legal justice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post saltandpepper Posted October 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2012 Why do they even listen to this (these) buffoon(s) is beyond me. They just have to go to you tube and watch at the videos 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jaidam Posted October 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2012 …the art of using troops is this: When ten to the enemy's one, surround him; When five times his strength, attack him; If double his strength, divide him… From Thaksins favourite book the art of war, that he often referred to back in the good old days before he fled. So here we have his boys trying to muddy the waters as to who were the red shirts armed force dressed in black. Of course a simple look at the youtube videos shows them to be absolutely a part of the red mob, and re-looking at Se Deangs speakings confirm that they were of course controlled by Thaksin. It is way out there in wacky conspiracy theory territory to suggest that the black shirts were a democrat party or army plant. Youtube wasnt available back 2200 or so years ago when Sun Tzu wrote his manual for winning a war, so the BS is easily disproved to any that choose to view. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Cut and paste: ".... The UDD has offered an additional 1 million baht reward for information about the men in black on top of the 1 million baht bounty already announced by the DSI last week for information leading to arrests of the suspects. ...." Interesting. So what happens if someone gives clear evidence to UDD / Jatuporn etc., which proves that the men in black were supported / organized etc., by the UDD / the red shirts etc? Will it see the light of day? What's your guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Mr Jatuporn urged the DSI to secure close-circuit camera's footage at the Army's 11th Infantry Regiment, adding that he learned from army sources that the men in black actually came from the army's unit which was used as a command centre of the now-dissolved Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES). Security footage 2 & 1/2 years after the protests??? Who keeps security footage for that long? Why did he take so long to mention this? Just another attempt to muddy the waters since he knows there is no way the army would have footage from then. When the army don't produce the footage, he'll scream how they're trying to hide something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomTao Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Mr Jatuporn urged the DSI to secure close-circuit camera's footage at the Army's 11th Infantry Regiment, adding that he learned from army sources that the men in black actually came from the army's unit which was used as a command centre of the now-dissolved Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES). Security footage 2 & 1/2 years after the protests??? Who keeps security footage for that long? Why did he take so long to mention this? Just another attempt to muddy the waters since he knows there is no way the army would have footage from then. When the army don't produce the footage, he'll scream how they're trying to hide something. If the army doesn't have some footage, I' m sure someone would know where to find it on youtube, also isn't it normal practice for tv stations to keep archives of news footage, often for use at a later date and for historical purposes? Sent from my GT-I9003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Just in case any of you anti-red posters need proof that the reds were 100% peaceful and only held peaceful gatherings, never provoking violence. Here is proof positive they were totally non confrontational and were of the Kumbaya mindset. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker69 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 How do you know when Jatuporn is lying?.........He opens his mouth! I never seen a photo were his mouth is closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJIC Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 (edited) Chalerm said a few weeks ago ,that the Black Shirts were members of the Police Force, now we have Jatuporn saying they were members of the Army, so which one one is telling Porkies, one or both? and/or is there a third element being covered up? that nobody dares to point the finger at? Edited October 22, 2012 by MAJIC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich teacher Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Jatuporn's claim that the black-shirts were organised by the army has as much credible evidence behind it as the claim they were organised by TS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post whybother Posted October 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2012 Jatuporn's claim that the black-shirts were organised by the army has as much credible evidence behind it as the claim they were organised by TS Except that they were running around amongst the red shirts and shooting at the army. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 i suppose it is at least good, that Jatuporn is being interviewed by the DSI investigators, even if he denies that there were any Black-Shirts operating amongst the Red-Shirt protesters, which I find incredble. Perhaps J's Big Boss will follow his example, and testify, or perhaps not ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noahvail Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Mr Jatuporn urged the DSI to secure close-circuit camera's footage at the Army's 11th Infantry Regiment, adding that he learned from army sources that the men in black actually came from the army's unit which was used as a command centre of the now-dissolved Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES). Security footage 2 & 1/2 years after the protests??? Who keeps security footage for that long? Why did he take so long to mention this? Just another attempt to muddy the waters since he knows there is no way the army would have footage from then. When the army don't produce the footage, he'll scream how they're trying to hide something. Let's not forget that the footage from the CCTV cameras in and around the UDD/red-shirt occupied area isn't available because - the cameras were taken down/dismantled/covered by those peaceful protestors as the protest started. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whybother Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 If the army doesn't have some footage, I' m sure someone would know where to find it on youtube, also isn't it normal practice for tv stations to keep archives of news footage, often for use at a later date and for historical purposes? Sent from my GT-I9003 What Jatuporn is suggesting is that there would be footage of black-shirts secretly leaving/arriving at the barracks. If that was done in front of TV cameras, it would already be seen by everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buchholz Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 How do you know when Jatuporn is lying?.........He opens his mouth! I never seen a photo were his mouth is closed. I recall the only time was when he went into prison... He's overdue to return Red-shirt Leader Stressful in Prison Thai Rath newspaper http://www.thairath.co.th/content/pol/171193 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Jatuporn's claim that the black-shirts were organised by the army has as much credible evidence behind it as the claim they were organised by TS Bull Sh#t Now, is it borne out of ignorance or deliberate? Seh Daeng and Thaksin Shinawatra in Dubai.... Seh Daeng has been an embarrassment to and a thorn in the side of his army superiors. Issuing threats and suspected of being involved in a grenade attack on army chief General Anupong Paojinda’s office, Seh Daeng has been vocal in his support for fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra and his red shirt supporters ... He has been publicly accused of keeping war weapons and ammunition in his house and he has claimed he trained former para-military rangers as a “people’s army” to protect red shirt leaders and their followers – a claim supported by an unnamed military source. Ignorance cured, now will you continue to deliberately make things up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLew Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Chalerm said a few weeks ago ,that the Black Shirts were members of the Police Force, now we have Jatuporn saying they were members of the Army, so which one one is telling Porkies, one or both? and/or is there a third element being covered up? that nobody dares to point the finger at? BOTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbamboo Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Jatuporn's claim that the black-shirts were organised by the army has as much credible evidence behind it as the claim they were organised by TS How could the men in black move so freely among the red shirts if they were not known to them? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramrod711 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 When asked whether he could confirm the existence of black-clad men, the red shirt leader said the matter was cooked-up, saying the only media agency capturing images of alleged men in black released the picture three days after recording it on April 10 which he described as unusual. BURN! BURN! BURN!, don't wait for us, take your gasoline to your city halls. A regular Ghandi, Jatuporn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thaddeus Posted October 22, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2012 Did they have to cool the lie detector down with Duckhams. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siampolee Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Security footage 2 & 1/2 years after the protests??? Who keeps security footage for that long? Why did he take so long to mention this? Probably because it has taken Thaksin a bit of time to settle his account with Jutuporn who was a bit slow in sending in his bill this quarter to his paymaster. Also the boys in the audio visual effects department crew have needed time to produce tapes showing how lilywhite Jutuporn is in reality . All those clips on YouTube are of course fake doctored clips produced by the enemies of Thaksin, Jutuporn, Arisman and old Aunty Red Shirt and all in order to tarnish their reputations along with the Red Shirts movements reputations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubl Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 With k. Korkaew and Jatuporn testifying to have been told by others that the government and the army are guilty and therefor proving the UDD with it's peaceful red-shirt supporters are innocent, it seems the TRCT report from a month ago really struck a nerve. The UDD president Ms. Thida has condemned the report saying a.o. the version of the People's Information Centre (PIC) provides a fairer account of the events in April-May 2010. Robert A. also strongly denounced the report for being "counterproductive and provocative because the victims will refuse to accept anything less than accountability". From 2012-09-14: "The long-awaited final report from the Truth for Reconciliation Commission of Thailand (TRCT) on the 2010 crackdown, which was obtained in advance by The Nation, shows that the so-called "men in black" had received cooperation from red-shirt guards. It also said that security officers eventually used live bullets, deployed snipers and were likely responsible for the six deaths at Wat Pathumwanaram on May 19, 2010." http://www.thaivisa....rom-red-shirts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiawatcher Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 The spin doctor on behalf of the puppet master doing what he does best - opens his mouth and lies. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickymaster Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 i suppose it is at least good, that Jatuporn is being interviewed by the DSI investigators, even if he denies that there were any Black-Shirts operating amongst the Red-Shirt protesters, which I find incredble. Perhaps J's Big Boss will follow his example, and testify, or perhaps not ... Just a show. DSI is controlled by PT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoutsider Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 The spin doctor on behalf of the puppet master doing what he does best - opens his mouth and lies. Your right .it was the man from afar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoorSucker Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEL1 Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Mr Jatuporn urged the DSI to secure close-circuit camera's footage at the Army's 11th Infantry Regiment, adding that he learned from army sources that the men in black actually came from the army's unit which was used as a command centre of the now-dissolved Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES). Security footage 2 & 1/2 years after the protests??? Who keeps security footage for that long? Why did he take so long to mention this? Just another attempt to muddy the waters since he knows there is no way the army would have footage from then. When the army don't produce the footage, he'll scream how they're trying to hide something. he might not have footage - but the world does! -mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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