I Miss The Lawlessness Of Cambodia In Thailand

[Xangsamhua]

You could drive down Monivong on the wrong side of the street with your eyes closed without a care. I think I did that more than once on my way home from Martini Pub (nothing to be proud of I suppose).

Ah, GOOD TIMES!

It was the same in 69/70 (before the coup). Sihanouk was in charge; the country was at peace (and beautiful), and people went home at night. It all went horribly wrong about March 1970.

[Rancid]

Look, I made a post criticising the Orwellian Nanny State and thought most would agree. It was the opposite, seems most who live in Thailand miss governmnet control over every aspect of their lives, a situation that will become more extreme in time, expect CCTV in western bathrooms eventually. So if you think Thailand is packed with Libertarians who will agree with your post you are way wrong, they are a bunch of down trodden mummy's boys just wanting any bureaucrats, including Thai, to tell them what to do and when to do it and where to line up. Pussies, bought and paid for on the teat of socialism.

[Nick in Thailand]

Look, I made a post criticising the Orwellian Nanny State and thought most would agree. It was the opposite, seems most who live in Thailand miss governmnet control over every aspect of their lives, a situation that will become more extreme in time, expect CCTV in western bathrooms eventually. So if you think Thailand is packed with Libertarians who will agree with your post you are way wrong, they are a bunch of down trodden mummy's boys just wanting any bureaucrats, including Thai, to tell them what to do and when to do it and where to line up. Pussies, bought and paid for on the teat of socialism.

Finally! Someone with some sense!

[saviorsoul0872]

I agree with Op, having lived in both, I miss the freedom of Cambodia often. You have a feeling that anything is possible there and it takes a strong mind to navigate yourself to an ethical life. But lead a good life and seize opportunities and you will know the meaning of freedom.

I visited Cambodia for about 10 days... Although I stayed in Phon Phenh the whole time I loved it. I agree you truly have the feeling of you can do what you want and need to do and no one is going to mess with you, and IF they do throw a couple dollars at the police and they'll wack a dam_n guy for you! And the police here really suck in Pattaya... They are out every day of the week almost all day untill late evening writing tickets, or extorting money from foreigners.

[saviorsoul0872]

how many khmer are in thailand compared to thais in khmer.

I would say more people are leaving khmer to enter thailand yes, why are they leaving the beautiful oasis that is khmer.

pretty bad when you must enter thailand to make money

Again, OP is not a Khmer. You're just not getting it, are you? You were mentioning how tough it was for political dissident on the last page too. Again, I'm pretty sure OP is not Sam Rainsy.

We're talking about freedom that expatriates enjoy in Cambodia. The amount of Khmers leaving to work in Thailand is as relevant as the amount of toothpicks consumed per capita. Please follow the point of the thread more carefully.

"The amount of Khmers leaving to work in Thailand is as relevant as the amount of toothpicks consumed per capita." Lolz! That gave me a great chuckle... What an analogy.

[cardholder]

how many khmer are in thailand compared to thais in khmer.

I would say more people are leaving khmer to enter thailand yes, why are they leaving the beautiful oasis that is khmer.

pretty bad when you must enter thailand to make money

Maybe the average daily wage (in tourist areas) at US$3 versus potential earnings in Thailand is a factor?

[bangkokburning]

Well yes, drugs did creep in but in early days there was very little hard drugs about. The only people that smoked weed were the tourists because it was such shit. After smoking it a bit everyone would get a cough and sore throat. I developed a process to make the stuff much mote smokable. I recall some crazy ass guy made some pot oil once and afriend eas growing herbin his garden. Oh yes, happy herb pizza had happy herb anttd you could buy weed in all the markets by the bale if you wanted it that way. I dont touch it now— makes me paranoid.

The freedom the OP was talking about might have included smoking weed but that was hardly what it was all about. There were simply no.rules and no <deleted>**ks were given on any day.

You had money in your pocket and adventures were to be had whether that was xing illegaly from Kampong Som to Trat (Trat did not have Immigration for farang), motoing to Battambang, KR problrms in Pailin or all sorts of crazy ass trouble you could get up to in Phnom Penh.

You wanted work - just go.look for it, you want to open a bar - do it. Open a guesthouse, restarant - go for it.

The problem is no.one has your back. If you developed bad habits (for me it became alcoh.for awhile) booze, dope, women there was no one to catch your fall.

Post KR there were no rules for society so while the Khmer were piecing their families and broken lives together, the expats were running amok in a quiet but determined way.

It wss like there were 150 insanity wolves running about all.looking to give Hunter Thompson a run for his money.

It was total.freedom. People were frightened to visit.before sbout 98. No titty baby expats or bacpackers. It was bomb ass.

But the best was we were all a bunch of insanity wolves - some guys were old Asia hands, some new and some came just because what could be more fing crazy than living in Cambodia.

No titty babies, esp like do msny in Thailand now. You had to have some heavy balls to be living in Cambodia pre 96.

Edited October 24, 2012 by bangkokburning

[Dancealot]

Well yes, drugs did creep in but in early days there was very little hard drugs about. The only people that smoked weed were the tourists because it was such shit. After smoking it a bit everyone would get a cough and sore throat. I developed a process to make the stuff much mote smokable. I recall some crazy ass guy made some pot oil once and afriend eas growing herbin his garden. Oh yes, happy herb pizza had happy herb anttd you could buy weed in all the markets by the bale if you wanted it that way. I dont touch it now— makes me paranoid.

The freedom the OP was talking about might have included smoking weed but that was hardly what it was all about. There were simply no.rules and no <deleted>**ks were given on any day.

You had money in your pocket and adventures were to be had whether that was xing illegaly from Kampong Som to Trat (Trat did not have Immigration for farang), motoing to Battambang, KR problrms in Pailin or all sorts of crazy ass trouble you could get up to in Phnom Penh.

You wanted work - just go.look for it, you want to open a bar - do it. Open a guesthouse, restarant - go for it.

The problem is no.one has your back. If you developed bad habits (for me it became alcoh.for awhile) booze, dope, women there was no one to catch your fall.

Post KR there were no rules for society so while the Khmer were piecing their families and broken lives together, the expats were running amok in a quiet but determined way.

It wss like there were 150 insanity wolves running about all.looking to give Hunter Thompson a run for his money.

It was total.freedom. People were frightened to visit.before sbout 98. No titty baby expats or bacpackers. It was bomb ass.

But the best was we were all a bunch of insanity wolves - some guys were old Asia hands, some new and some came just because what could be more fing crazy than living in Cambodia.

No titty babies, esp like do msny in Thailand now. You had to have some heavy balls to be living in Cambodia pre 96.

You mentioned Hunter Thompson in an analogy. Cheers!

[pigeonjake]

^{great way of looking at freedom,}

^{so all you want to do is run around with big ball taking drugs,}

^{if that what you call freedom your welcome to it, ill stick to what you call a pussy and live in piece in thailand,}

^{enjoy your drugs and freedom,}

^{i dont think youll get anywere near freedom while youve got to go hunting for your drugs, but if the only way you can feel free is to be taking drugs i pity you i really do}

^enjoy

[Nick in Thailand]

^{great way of looking at freedom,}

^{so all you want to do is run around with big ball taking drugs,}

^{if that what you call freedom your welcome to it, ill stick to what you call a pussy and live in piece in thailand,}

^{enjoy your drugs and freedom,}

^{i dont think youll get anywere near freedom while youve got to go hunting for your drugs, but if the only way you can feel free is to be taking drugs i pity you i really do}

^enjoy

Pussy..

[pigeonjake]

drugy,,, ner ner ner ner

[StreetCowboy]

Freedom to earn money.

Freedom to allow my children to walk down the street...

Freedom to play in the park.

Freedom to avoid druggies and gangsters.

Freedom to travel.

Freedom to decide how to spend my money.

Freedom to walk out of a pub, or past it (OK, still working on that one, but...)

SC

[bangkokburning]

I had a huge reply to the drugs comment but my browser crashed. I guess you missed my many comments Nick that was nit why most of us were there. Saddest part and the reason I left was people like you. Guys that come over here for cheap available women.

Women - pussy, something wholly devoid in your life before you found Thailand. Now you titty babies are the kings. The leaders of men.

Well, Cambodia and most of the intl community would rather have some weedheads yhan all the problems they have with prostitution.

The saddness of the nation sort of broke me. It was a party place, not a happy place. That has changed, Cambo is movin on up.

But I feel sheepish when I return, all sorts of anti - child prostitution nonsense plasteted everywhere. I feel dirty, ashamed to be an older barang in Cambodia. This was entirely the sex tourists doing. Middle aged men desparate for pussy -reading shit on the Internet and decided it was time to act and act they did.

We used to have a saying, live the children their childhood. Few challanged this maxim and I only knew of a handful of guys who troll for kids. That was a closed group. It eas the idiots that would come over - pull up a chair beside you and started asking about sex. Positively creepy, all sweaty as well. Fat and sweaty.

AIDS was and remains a huge issue. Cambodian women zero access to health care.

As the years wore on it was just a bunch of sex tourists, losers, neckbeards - then the thugs moved in. Criminals from UK.

Anyway, if the only manner you have to interact with a woman is buy her out of a massage, beer bar or go -go. If the Internet improved your dating situation 1000% If truly the only reason you are in Thailand is for the pussy (70% of you), well - that is simply pathetic.

Edited October 25, 2012 by bangkokburning

[pigeonjake]

this thred is taking more turns then a country road,,

[bangkokburning]

Sex tourists ruined Cambodia, not a bunch of backpackers smoking crappy weed.

Sex tourists and riffraff have ruined Thailand as well. The mecca of love for the creepers and neckbeards and titty baby travellers.

Im off to Singapore today with the wife - that is all I have to say in the matter.

Cambodia was awesome and if I were a young single guy Id be living there again now. It's starting to really make its way in the world. Far, far more love for barang in Cambo than here in Thailand. They still love Americans and a shine for Aussies too.

APOLOGIES TO NICK, HE CLARIFIED JAKES STATEMENT AND I TOOK IT FOR HIS OWN*

Pussy...pretty much says it all.

Edited October 25, 2012 by bangkokburning

[chiangmaikelly]

Sex tourists ruined Cambodia, not a bunch of backpackers smoking crappy weed.

Sex tourists and riffraff have ruined Thailand as well. The mecca of love for the creepers and neckbeards and titty baby travellers.

Im off to Singapore today with the wife - that is all I have to say in the matter.

Cambodia was awesome and if I were a young single guy Id be living there again now. It's starting to really make its way in the world. Far, far more love for barang in Cambo than here in Thailand. They still love Americans and a shine for Aussies too.

APOLOGIES TO NICK, HE CLARIFIED JAKES STATEMENT AND I TOOK IT FOR HIS OWN*

Pussy...pretty much says it all.

Not even close. Whatever the opposite of a sex addict is you are. I don't know if that is good or bad it just is.

Oh and for the neckbeards, ...

[tinfoilhat]

I agree with Op, having lived in both, I miss the freedom of Cambodia often. You have a feeling that anything is possible there and it takes a strong mind to navigate yourself to an ethical life. But lead a good life and seize opportunities and you will know the meaning of freedom.

I visited Cambodia for about 10 days... Although I stayed in Phon Phenh the whole time I loved it. I agree you truly have the feeling of you can do what you want and need to do and no one is going to mess with you, and IF they do throw a couple dollars at the police and they'll wack a dam_n guy for you! And the police here really suck in Pattaya... They are out every day of the week almost all day untill late evening writing tickets, or extorting money from foreigners.

yes, a 10 day holiday in Cambodia is a great way to get to know the place

[tinfoilhat]

drugy,,, ner ner ner ner

i reckon you wouldn't know a druggy if he bit you on the ass.

go back to your pigs.

[StreetCowboy]

I had a huge reply to the drugs comment but my browser crashed. I guess you missed my many comments Nick that was nit why most of us were there. Saddest part and the reason I left was people like you. Guys that come over here for cheap available women.

Women - pussy, something wholly devoid in your life before you found Thailand. Now you titty babies are the kings. The leaders of men.

Well, Cambodia and most of the intl community would rather have some weedheads yhan all the problems they have with prostitution.

The saddness of the nation sort of broke me. It was a party place, not a happy place. That has changed, Cambo is movin on up.

But I feel sheepish when I return, all sorts of anti - child prostitution nonsense plasteted everywhere. I feel dirty, ashamed to be an older barang in Cambodia. This was entirely the sex tourists doing. Middle aged men desparate for pussy -reading shit on the Internet and decided it was time to act and act they did.

We used to have a saying, live the children their childhood. Few challanged this maxim and I only knew of a handful of guys who troll for kids. That was a closed group. It eas the idiots that would come over - pull up a chair beside you and started asking about sex. Positively creepy, all sweaty as well. Fat and sweaty.

AIDS was and remains a huge issue. Cambodian women zero access to health care.

As the years wore on it was just a bunch of sex tourists, losers, neckbeards - then the thugs moved in. Criminals from UK.

Anyway, if the only manner you have to interact with a woman is buy her out of a massage, beer bar or go -go. If the Internet improved your dating situation 1000% If truly the only reason you are in Thailand is for the pussy (70% of you), well - that is simply pathetic.

So I take it you are disappointed and perhaps a little surprised that lawlessness attracted criminals?

Perhaps the people for whom you have contempt should have had the decency to stay at home, to leave the Wild West of the Orient to decent chaps like your good self.

SC

[pigeonjake]

tinfoil,,

i got called worse in primery school,

you drugys are the loosers old chap,,

cant do anything without your little fix,, what a life,,

give me my pigs anyday over a bunch of drugys,, you cant get away with it in your own country so you come to others to ruin there country

[bangkokburning]

It changed, nothing stays the same. I was merely reflecting. Sure it became a magnet - time to go.

Hadly anti sexual, just a guy who sees hookers as a relief valve or an odd night out - not a way of life. You can be married and still be a happy sex addict.

Incidently, straight up p4p among consenting adults is one thing but indentured sex work is not something I see as fun in Cambodia OR Thailand.

Sorry if you have to pay women to get them to speak to you. More sorry still you see yourself as such a player.

Ill leave you now to your herpes, crabs, thrush, warts and weekly dose of chlamydia.

Would have been happier with more criminals, they are more normal then the wannabe sex addicts. Fat, sweaty sex tourists most creepy.

Edited October 25, 2012 by bangkokburning

[bangkokburning]

Off to Singapore in an hour with the wife

The land of laws

Edited October 25, 2012 by bangkokburning

[Rimmer]

Wild accusation removed

[BigJohnnyBKK]

You do know there are poor countries in Asia, right?

And for many one of them is Thailand.

It takes a strong mind to navigate yourself to an ethical life in Cambodia? What does that even mean?

You have to draw your own lines as to right and wrong since there isn't any effective guidance from those in authority.

For example, age of consent. . .

[tinfoilhat]

tinfoil,,

i got called worse in primery school,

you drugys are the loosers old chap,,

cant do anything without your little fix,, what a life,,

give me my pigs anyday over a bunch of drugys,, you cant get away with it in your own country so you come to others to ruin there country

This pretty much sums up the ignorance i hoped to point out.

Pray tell, what constitutes a druggy?

Is it a junkie scrabbling for their next score, is it a lawyer with a bag of coke on a Friday night, or is it a father of 2 smoking a joint in the privacy of his own home watching a movie rather than heading out to the pub for a skin full of ale?

Is it an American president that did not inhale or is it Pierce Brosnan buying a bong in LA?

Is it Ken kesey, Andy Warhol, Bukowski, Einstien, Al Gore, George W Bush, Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Prince Harry, Car Sagan?

Is it any one of the 10's of thousands of Vancouverites who gather for 4/20 every year outside the Vancouver court house or any one of the thousands upon thousands of Americans who legally smoke medical Marijuana purchased freely in a shop?

is it the dutch?

Is it a housewife who uses xanax to sleep?

Coming from the west coast where drugs are readily available why would I or anyone need to come to Thailand to do that?

lets take a tour through the "I drink too much forum" and identify some of our more prolifically posting substance abusers. are they druggies too? or does the fact that they admit problems with alcohol make it all ok? How many of them do you think limit their consumption to alcohol alone?

What makes a mix of booze and whores morally superior to recreational drug use?

Am i wrong in believing booze and whores are condoned if not outright encouraged here on TV?

tell me Jake i would like to know.

At the very least your inventive spelling would amuse me.

As for Cambodia, this imagined lawlessness is all fine and good until you get caught, same as Thailand.

Edited October 25, 2012 by tinfoilhat

[chiangmaikelly]

It changed, nothing stays the same. I was merely reflecting. Sure it became a magnet - time to go.

Hadly anti sexual, just a guy who sees hookers as a relief valve or an odd night out - not a way of life. You can be married and still be a happy sex addict.

Incidently, straight up p4p among consenting adults is one thing but indentured sex work is not something I see as fun in Cambodia OR Thailand.

Sorry if you have to pay women to get them to speak to you. More sorry still you see yourself as such a player.

Ill leave you now to your herpes, crabs, thrush, warts and weekly dose of chlamydia.

Would have been happier with more criminals, they are more normal then the wannabe sex addicts. Fat, sweaty sex tourists most creepy.

Same old nonsense. Bangkokburning posts, indentured sex work in Thailand. OK where? I know no one has seen this stuff but you have heard about it. Or saw it years ago. Last week, er ah well no. Did you tell the cops? Ah um well no.

Bangkokburning writes, “Sorry if you have to pay women to get them to speak to you.” My god man this is Thailand. Women here are chatterboxes. You have to pay them to stop talking. There are constant searches for pubs without women talking so a guy can watch the footy. Wake up dude. One of the only words in know in 15 different languages including Lao is “shut up.” “Sow wow” if you wondered.

Bangkokburning said he was going to leave someone to their, “herpes, crabs, thrush, warts and weekly dose of chlamydia.” Now is that a wild accusation or is that a wild accusation?

As far as thinking criminals are better than fat sweaty sex tourists, one would have to be nuts to prefer getting beat up, robbed and bludgeoned as opposed to seeing a overweight man walk down the street with a woman in a short skirt.

[StreetCowboy]

Out of interest, why do so many of our fellow posters think that it is good to be wacky and different, and bad to conform?

I used to think I was wacky and different, but I was wrong.

SC

[pigeonjake]

another go at my spelling,,lol,

if thats the best you can do,,lol

any drug that is against the law to take or use,

you might make it sound good by your list of druggys,

but there still druggys,

[BigJohnnyBKK]

I think we'd probably mostly agree that laws against victimless crimes, designed to protect people from their own weaknesses, are stupid. I personally put the drug laws in there along with prostitution and gambling, and believe all should be legal, well-regulated for health and safety, and heavily taxed.

But I completely agree that would take most of the fun out of it. The OP thinks he's found "freedom" in a failed state where anything goes, and I think those of us with a bit more brains realize that that's only fine and good until you happen to fall victim to the resulting anarchy. For the ultimate in such "freedom" go take a nice long trip to Somalia and see how you enjoy it.

For myself, Thailand is a decent balance between rule of law and permissiveness.

Singapore and Switzerland go too far one way, and IMO the US has the worst of all possible worlds.

[tinfoilhat]

another go at my spelling,,lol,

if thats the best you can do,,lol

any drug that is against the law to take or use,

you might make it sound good by your list of druggys,

but there still druggys,

so that is your response? So much for giving you the benefit of the doubt.

lol, indeed.

Edited October 25, 2012 by tinfoilhat