The continued vilification of TS is slanderous. The Dems lost the plot a long time ago and their continued obsession with TS is unhealthy and certainly detrimental to them. No matter what the majority on here think, before the Dems go on stage and accuse people of serious crimes they should have evidence to back up their claims. They claimed they would release new evidence, but as usual had nothing to show. How much deeper can they dig their own hole.

I never understood the point of putting another member on ignore.

I learned something today

Thailand must be the only country in the world where a convicted criminal on the run with more cases on the roll can be defamed.

Says a lot about the intellectual level of the governing body.

The PTP's cronies continue to push this country, inch by inch, closer to either dictatorship or another coup...

This post plus several others are promoting a coup. Its the same gameplay every time. Invent the 'Bogey Man' and make people scared...phew thank god the army took over...that was close.

Imagine the out cry if for example Tony Blair had his pic taken with Lord Lucan? No difference in my book Thai so called elite rotten and corrupt to the core!

Open your other eye.

The 13 cops are there to prevent the last supper by hiding the evidence.

More loose talk about 'evidence'. There is no evidence linking Thaksin to the MiB. Having a photo taken with someone doesn't equate to funding, organizing and controlling a group of 'terrorists'

I along with the rest of the world are dying to see this 'evidence' if it really exists. If it doesn't all those making loose accusations need to shut up

Kattiya claimed to be the leader of the (or at least part of) the Black Shirts, he also was quite eager to show how he was under Thaksin's orders.

Thaksin > Kattiya > Black Shirts.

QEDuh

Right and other people CLAIM that the MiB were organised by the army/ government. What is required is evidence. Without it, you can't accuse people on a public stage or you get convicted of defamation, just like Jatuporn was.

Kattiya claimed to be the leader of the (or at least part of) the Black Shirts, he also was quite eager to show how he was under Thaksin's orders.

Thaksin > Kattiya > Black Shirts.

QEDuh

Right and other people CLAIM that the MiB were organised by the army/ government. What is required is evidence. Without it, you can't accuse people on a public stage or you get convicted of defamation, just like Jatuporn was.

I suppose that when one wants to defend terrorism the truth is easy to ignore.

ONE of the men in black spotted the black Mercedes Vito as it arrived out of the night and parked behind the tent.

He blew a shrill blast on his whistle. The other young men in black, with their black hats blazoned with the words ''Warriors for King Taksin'' stopped horsing around and straightened up as the occupant of the car stepped out carrying a loudhailer.

Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol, in camouflage pants and hat and a black jacket, a whistle around his neck, strode up and shook hands with me, his eyes gleaming in the white sodium lights.

...

It is a ragtag militia, which trains in full public view with the sticks but in an undisclosed location with real guns.

In February, he boasted of training hundreds of former Ranger paramilitary troops to protect the Reds. "If the state clamps down on us, we have to defend ourselves. We and our red shirt brothers may need to resort to weapons," he told reporters at the time.

...

"If the army uses war weapons, the police at the front will turn around against the army, because the police are with the reds. In that event, the Ronin will have an advantage."

...

"The reds have to hang on until the Ronin come to help. If the Ronin don't come, it is over. It is like the movie Braveheart." Thailand's Ronin Warriors use the name to honor stealthy Japanese ninjas. Thailand's version has “assault rifles, M-79 bombs and hand grenades. You don't need anything more than these for close combat like this. The Ronin and the enemy army have the same capability. It is a matter of tactics now."

...

"On March 9, I was in Dubai and saw Thaksin and spoke with him, and [on May 3], I spoke on the telephone with him. I explained to Thaksin how the army committed murder on April 10, and how they are now bringing tanks and will do it again. I told him now we have to fight. They will shoot women and children. I also described the barricades here." because Thaksin is one of the reds' top leaders.

...

He said Thaksin told him on the telephone: "'Don't let a lot of people die. I don't want a lot of deaths. You have to hold back the army.'

All this is, of course, filtered out of the Red Shirt bubble.

I wish I could say that I'm shocked, but unfortunately, I'm not. Thaksin is clearly aiming to take over the country, and he doesn't accept any opposition. The military coup clock is ticking.

Agreed ...

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I suppose that when one wants to defend terrorism the truth is easy to ignore.

ONE of the men in black spotted the black Mercedes Vito as it arrived out of the night and parked behind the tent.

He blew a shrill blast on his whistle. The other young men in black, with their black hats blazoned with the words ''Warriors for King Taksin'' stopped horsing around and straightened up as the occupant of the car stepped out carrying a loudhailer.

Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol, in camouflage pants and hat and a black jacket, a whistle around his neck, strode up and shook hands with me, his eyes gleaming in the white sodium lights.

...

It is a ragtag militia, which trains in full public view with the sticks but in an undisclosed location with real guns.

In February, he boasted of training hundreds of former Ranger paramilitary troops to protect the Reds. "If the state clamps down on us, we have to defend ourselves. We and our red shirt brothers may need to resort to weapons," he told reporters at the time.

...

"If the army uses war weapons, the police at the front will turn around against the army, because the police are with the reds. In that event, the Ronin will have an advantage."

...

"The reds have to hang on until the Ronin come to help. If the Ronin don't come, it is over. It is like the movie Braveheart." Thailand's Ronin Warriors use the name to honor stealthy Japanese ninjas. Thailand's version has “assault rifles, M-79 bombs and hand grenades. You don't need anything more than these for close combat like this. The Ronin and the enemy army have the same capability. It is a matter of tactics now."

...

"On March 9, I was in Dubai and saw Thaksin and spoke with him, and [on May 3], I spoke on the telephone with him. I explained to Thaksin how the army committed murder on April 10, and how they are now bringing tanks and will do it again. I told him now we have to fight. They will shoot women and children. I also described the barricades here." because Thaksin is one of the reds' top leaders.

...

He said Thaksin told him on the telephone: "'Don't let a lot of people die. I don't want a lot of deaths. You have to hold back the army.'

All this is, of course, filtered out of the Red Shirt bubble.

Where are the sources of your quote?

Do you really think this is admissible evidence?

Have you read the accounts of the anonymous witnesses? Also not valid evidence of any wrongdoing, but certainly able to be quoted on a internet forum.

The PTP's cronies continue to push this country, inch by inch, closer to either dictatorship or another coup...

Every time the Thai military and their backers use unconstitutional methods it strengthens Thaksin's position and emboldens his supporters.

Using the Yellow shirt movement to try and oust the government and staging a coup has come back to bite them on the ar*e.

No sympathy and prolonged and widespread civil conflict remains an inevitability IMO, as it has since the Yellows took their militant actions to the streets.

Posts containing overly derogatory generalizations have been removed.

Surely a defamation complaint has to be filed personally.

Also since when is it the police departments job to prove it?

Where are the sources of your quote?

Do you really think this is admissible evidence?

Have you read the accounts of the anonymous witnesses? Also not valid evidence of any wrongdoing, but certainly able to be quoted on a internet forum.

http://blogs.straitstimes.com/2008/10/23/nobody-messes-with-seh-daeng/

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE11Ae02.html

I suppose that when one wants to defend terrorism the truth is easy to ignore.

ONE of the men in black spotted the black Mercedes Vito as it arrived out of the night and parked behind the tent.

He blew a shrill blast on his whistle. The other young men in black, with their black hats blazoned with the words ''Warriors for King Taksin'' stopped horsing around and straightened up as the occupant of the car stepped out carrying a loudhailer.

Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol, in camouflage pants and hat and a black jacket, a whistle around his neck, strode up and shook hands with me, his eyes gleaming in the white sodium lights.

...

It is a ragtag militia, which trains in full public view with the sticks but in an undisclosed location with real guns.

In February, he boasted of training hundreds of former Ranger paramilitary troops to protect the Reds. "If the state clamps down on us, we have to defend ourselves. We and our red shirt brothers may need to resort to weapons," he told reporters at the time.

...

"If the army uses war weapons, the police at the front will turn around against the army, because the police are with the reds. In that event, the Ronin will have an advantage."

...

"The reds have to hang on until the Ronin come to help. If the Ronin don't come, it is over. It is like the movie Braveheart." Thailand's Ronin Warriors use the name to honor stealthy Japanese ninjas. Thailand's version has “assault rifles, M-79 bombs and hand grenades. You don't need anything more than these for close combat like this. The Ronin and the enemy army have the same capability. It is a matter of tactics now."

...

"On March 9, I was in Dubai and saw Thaksin and spoke with him, and [on May 3], I spoke on the telephone with him. I explained to Thaksin how the army committed murder on April 10, and how they are now bringing tanks and will do it again. I told him now we have to fight. They will shoot women and children. I also described the barricades here." because Thaksin is one of the reds' top leaders.

...

He said Thaksin told him on the telephone: "'Don't let a lot of people die. I don't want a lot of deaths. You have to hold back the army.'

All this is, of course, filtered out of the Red Shirt bubble.

Where are the sources of your quote?

Do you really think this is admissible evidence?

Have you read the accounts of the anonymous witnesses? Also not valid evidence of any wrongdoing, but certainly able to be quoted on a internet forum.

You have got to be new to Thailand. You keep asking for evidence sources and other silly questions.

Ask any one who has been here more than a month if any of this is needed in court when you have Thaksin's money and signed letters of resignation of people in power in his pocket.

What get's me is that he hasn't got enough smarts to hire decent spin doctors just a bunch of no nothings to run around and shout prove it show me. While in the mean time he continues to break the law and they say the charges were politically motivated. Regardless of the fact that they were real crimes and he did them. He didn't have the balls to challenge the decision and he knew there was a whole bunch of other crimes he was equally guilty of hence he went into exile became a citizen of another country and left a bunch of dummies holding the bag thinking he was a saint.

Part of if not in fact the major motive of this'' investigation'' is the fact that the whole subversive group Thaksin and his cronies cobbled together and financed is now disintegrating. This investigation diverts attention from that melt down in the relationship twixt the assorted factions of the RedShirt movement misled by Arisman and Jutuporn, the remmnants of the Communist party led by aunty Thida along with the assorted groups of Uncle Tom Cobbleigh and all.

These groups have realised they were and are but cannon fodder for Thaksin , his family and their brown nosing acolytes whose real aim is the total control of Thailand,its peoples and the money in the state coffers.

Indeed this investigation is a classic red herring, worthy of the old style trials so beloved by despotic monomaniacal dictators the world over.

just waffle really

The continued vilification of TS is slanderous. The Dems lost the plot a long time ago and their continued obsession with TS is unhealthy and certainly detrimental to them. No matter what the majority on here think, before the Dems go on stage and accuse people of serious crimes they should have evidence to back up their claims. They claimed they would release new evidence, but as usual had nothing to show. How much deeper can they dig their own hole.

I never understood the point of putting another member on ignore.

I learned something today

Do you know that pretty soon there won't be any red supporters left on here.

Perhaps they put thaivisa on "ignore." As irrelevant.

Gratifying really.

Nothing left to argue about.

I suppose that when one wants to defend terrorism the truth is easy to ignore.

ONE of the men in black spotted the black Mercedes Vito as it arrived out of the night and parked behind the tent.

He blew a shrill blast on his whistle. The other young men in black, with their black hats blazoned with the words ''Warriors for King Taksin'' stopped horsing around and straightened up as the occupant of the car stepped out carrying a loudhailer.

Major-General Khattiya Sawasdipol, in camouflage pants and hat and a black jacket, a whistle around his neck, strode up and shook hands with me, his eyes gleaming in the white sodium lights.

...

It is a ragtag militia, which trains in full public view with the sticks but in an undisclosed location with real guns.

In February, he boasted of training hundreds of former Ranger paramilitary troops to protect the Reds. "If the state clamps down on us, we have to defend ourselves. We and our red shirt brothers may need to resort to weapons," he told reporters at the time.

...

"If the army uses war weapons, the police at the front will turn around against the army, because the police are with the reds. In that event, the Ronin will have an advantage."

...

"The reds have to hang on until the Ronin come to help. If the Ronin don't come, it is over. It is like the movie Braveheart." Thailand's Ronin Warriors use the name to honor stealthy Japanese ninjas. Thailand's version has “assault rifles, M-79 bombs and hand grenades. You don't need anything more than these for close combat like this. The Ronin and the enemy army have the same capability. It is a matter of tactics now."

...

"On March 9, I was in Dubai and saw Thaksin and spoke with him, and [on May 3], I spoke on the telephone with him. I explained to Thaksin how the army committed murder on April 10, and how they are now bringing tanks and will do it again. I told him now we have to fight. They will shoot women and children. I also described the barricades here." because Thaksin is one of the reds' top leaders.

...

He said Thaksin told him on the telephone: "'Don't let a lot of people die. I don't want a lot of deaths. You have to hold back the army.'

All this is, of course, filtered out of the Red Shirt bubble.

Where are the sources of your quote?

Do you really think this is admissible evidence?

Have you read the accounts of the anonymous witnesses? Also not valid evidence of any wrongdoing, but certainly able to be quoted on a internet forum.

Maybe you have spelt you title incorrectly, Red is not spelt Rich.

I wonder if Thaksin will be allowed to present evidence by video link from Dubai. I would imagine he will have to tell the court how much defamed he feels

Rich Teacher

Just for you! Do these look like army infiltrators to you? Or perhaps part of a hired crew to assist the red leadership?

Rich Teacher

Just for you! Do these look like army infiltrators to you? Or perhaps part of a hired crew to assist the red leadership?

What on earth does that video prove. The red guards had been on display from the start of the movement

It terrifies me to think that your name tag suggests that you may have something to do with the education of young people.

Rich teacher (sans majuscule) is an oxy moron

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It's a play on words, but I doubt very much you get it.

It terrifies me to think that your name tag suggests that you may have something to do with the education of young people.

Well Jim, I hope you realize that supporters of TS and the red movement include leading members of all sectors of society, not just education.

Open your other eye.

The 13 cops are there to prevent the last supper by hiding the evidence.

More loose talk about 'evidence'. There is no evidence linking Thaksin to the MiB. Having a photo taken with someone doesn't equate to funding, organizing and controlling a group of 'terrorists'

I along with the rest of the world are dying to see this 'evidence' if it really exists. If it doesn't all those making loose accusations need to shut up

You present a rather loose opinion as fact.

You assume that the "rest of the world" is interested.

Opinions and assumptions are not worth a sparrow's fart I'm afraid.

It's a common symptom in individuals who elevate others up into messiah like figures. Their condition makes it seem to them as if the entire world shares their unhealthy infatuation. The next step is to create multiple personalities.

Revenge is sweet whether warm or cold.

On October 17, Thaksin's lawyer Worawit Lahlaeng and Pheu Thai Party spokesman Promphong Nopparit filed a defamation complaint on Thaksin's behalf at the Lumpini Police Station.

Thailand is the only country I know of, where you can be charged with libel, by a convicted fugitive, on the run from justice, who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him in the -ss. Thaksin threatened his own country when he said he would spend a lot of money with arms dealers. Who gives a crap what he has to say. I hope he gets convicted on all the other counts the courts are considering. I would also suggest that khun Kamronwit have all his ducks in a row, before he goes after Democrat leaders, he may end up in court himself.

So what about the statements the UDD leader Jatuporn and the Pheu Thai party list MP and (former?) red-shirt leader Korkaew filed with the DSI? The 'I was told by others' bit. That's just plain hearsay but not slander?

As far as I can see, if you were to investigate any Thai Politician PTP or Democrat for fraud/corruption they would be found guilty, And so would the BiB doing the investigation if they were investigated as well.

Until the day comes when Thai's don't become Police or politicians just to line their own & their family's pockets we are going to repeat history in Thailand over & over again,

I won't hold my breath waiting for the change, I'll just carry on living with & doing my best to enjoy the anarchy that is the Thailand we know (& mostly) love...

Were these the same police who fled the scene when the red shirts took over the centre of Bangkok in2010? Half of them come from Lumphini police station, one of the most corrupt in the city. That they are put together to support Mr mega-corrupt is hardly surprising.

I hate to say this, but when a country's law enforcement body becomes an arm of the government, it is half way between a failed state & a dictatorship. I'm afraid we're getting slowly closer to another coup.

The continued vilification of TS is slanderous. The Dems lost the plot a long time ago and their continued obsession with TS is unhealthy and certainly detrimental to them. No matter what the majority on here think, before the Dems go on stage and accuse people of serious crimes they should have evidence to back up their claims. They claimed they would release new evidence, but as usual had nothing to show. How much deeper can they dig their own hole.

I never understood the point of putting another member on ignore.

I learned something today

Do you know that pretty soon there won't be any red supporters left on here.

Perhaps they put thaivisa on "ignore." As irrelevant.

Gratifying really.

Nothing left to argue about.

I didn't know there were any red supporters here.

Just a lot of people that write,

"I'm no fan of Thaksin, but...."

and who invariably bristle at the mention of being identified as a red supporter.

oh, and

It's a common symptom in individuals who elevate others up into messiah like figures. Their condition makes it seem to them as if the entire world shares their unhealthy infatuation. The next step is to create multiple personalities.

What rather like some of our newer members here whose literary style and rhetoric seems to be so much like some recently departed forum members?

I never understood the point of putting another member on ignore.

I learned something today

Do you know that pretty soon there won't be any red supporters left on here.

Perhaps they put thaivisa on "ignore." As irrelevant.

Gratifying really.

Nothing left to argue about.

Time and again it's being suggested that 'red-shirt' supporters will voluntarily leave or put TV on ignore. Of course not because they feel restrained in their democratic pursue of the red truth, but because of the annoying different opinions. They seem to be the ones who would rather have nothing to argue about (or no one to argue against them).

Most posters here enjoy a frank discussion as long the BS isn't shoveled up too high