Whittington shouted "Duck" so Cheney shot him

The BearPit is a sad experience for lonesome right wingers with nowhere to go

Sounds like a little 'sour grapes' to us!

"us" signs of a split personality perhaps or are there two of you at the keyboard ?

This could be a new game. Humorous internet pairings.

I'll go first

Boon Mee and Dick the Cabin Boy.

The bearpit owner is considered to be a raving right-winger even by Boon Mee.

Say no more...

Whittington shouted "Duck" so Cheney shot him

The BearPit is a sad experience for lonesome right wingers with nowhere to go

Sounds like a little 'sour grapes' to us!

"us" signs of a split personality perhaps or are there two of you at the keyboard ?

No...'us' is that Limey way of referring to the singular first-person.

Been away too long, have you?

Boon is hoping there is more than 1 person (himself) agreeing with him...

Well, now "Ulysses" has joined, the the poor boy is not alone any more...

You knew they were coming. All you had to do was wait for for 'em:

"Late Show with David Letterman,” CBS

»» “Good news, ladies and gentlemen, we have finally located weapons of mass destruction: It’s Dick Cheney.”

»» “But here is the sad part—before the trip Donald Rumsfeld had denied the guy’s request for body armor.”

»» “We can’t get Bin Laden, but we nailed a 78-year-old attorney.”

»» “The guy who got gunned down, he is a Republican lawyer and a big Republican donor and fortunately the buck shot was deflected by wads of laundered cash. So he’s fine. He took a little in the wallet.”

"The Tonight Show with Jay Leno,” NBC

»» “Although it is beautiful here in California, the weather back East has been atrocious. There was so much snow in Washington, D.C., Dick Cheney accidentally shot a fat guy thinking it was a polar bear.”

»» “That’s the big story over the weekend. ... Dick Cheney accidentally shot a fellow hunter, a 78-year-old lawyer. In fact, when people found out he shot a lawyer, his popularity is now at 92 percent.”

»» “I think Cheney is starting to lose it. After he shot the guy he screamed, ‘Anyone else want to call domestic wire tapping illegal?’ “

»» “Dick Cheney is capitalizing on this for Valentine’s Day. It’s the new Dick Cheney cologne. It’s called Duck!”

"The Daily Show with Jon Stewart,” Comedy Central

»» The show’s segment titles included “Cheney’s Got a Gun,” “No. 2 With a Bullet” and “Dead-Eye Dick.”

»» “Vice President Dick Cheney accidentally shot a man during a quail hunt ... making 78-year-old Harry Whittington the first person shot by a sitting veep since Alexander Hamilton. Hamilton, of course, (was) shot in a duel with Aaron Burr over issues of honor, integrity and political maneuvering. Whittington? Mistaken for a bird.”

»» “Now, this story certainly has its humorous aspects. ... But it also raises a serious issue, one which I feel very strongly about. ... Moms, dads, if you’re watching right now, I can’t emphasize this enough: Do not let your kids go on hunting trips with the vice president. I don’t care what kind of lucrative contracts they’re trying to land, or energy.

"The Daily Show with Jon Stewart,”

»» The show’s segment titles included “Cheney’s Got a Gun,” “No. 2 With a Bullet” and “Dead-Eye Dick.”

BM, didn't know you were a fan of Jon Stewart's "Daily" show? We only get it here in Bkk on CNN and then only on sat & Sun at 10:30 pm. Hilight of my week. If anyone thinks American's can't take the p1ss, check it out & you just might pee laughing (well, if you're a Dem, or BM perhaps;

"The Daily Show with Jon Stewart,”

»» The show’s segment titles included “Cheney’s Got a Gun,” “No. 2 With a Bullet” and “Dead-Eye Dick.”

BM, didn't know you were a fan of Jon Stewart's "Daily" show? We only get it here in Bkk on CNN and then only on sat & Sun at 10:30 pm. Hilight of my week. If anyone thinks American's can't take the p1ss, check it out & you just might pee laughing (well, if you're a Dem, or BM perhaps;

Great show!

Of course now, the big controversy is why it took so long for the news of this to get out. Over 14 hours after the incident before a local (Texas) newspaper broke the story, after they got the news from..........the owner of the ranch, not the VP or his staff.

Why so long ? I guess it took awhile for them to come up with a convincing cover story to protect the VP (and write some rather large cheques). The White House is spinning it by claiming the delay was a result of having to tend to the injured man and then collecting the "details" of the incident.

Funny how after the incident, the remainder of the hunting party returned to the ranch and had dinner (one person described how Cheyney looked "worried" during dinner). It was also mentioned that alcohol was not involved.

Hmmmmmm. If the VP had been indulging in bubbly beverages and "accidentally" shot someone, 14+ hours would be plenty of time for the alcohol in his system to be flushed out (in the unlikey event the police decided to test him).

Now think about this. What if the situation had been reversed, and it was Cheyney who'd been shot by accident by a fellow hunter ?

Well, for starters, the poor lawyer would be dead. Cheyney's Secret Service escort would have made sure of that. We would all know the lawyers first, middle and last name. The coroner would mysteriously find a copy of "The Catcher In the Rye" in the lawyer's pocket.

Many other mysterious and controversial details about the lawyer would suddenly be known (hey, didn't I just suggest a new Bedlam thread about conspiracy theories ?)

I see now that the lawyer has suffered a minor heart attack. It seems he was hit with "less than 100 pellets" and the doctors decided not to remove them. Now they think one or more of the pellets may have entered his bloodstream and caused the heart attack.

Well, if the poor guy dies, at least that's one less witness Dick won't have to worry about in the future (1 down, 17 to go............)

I see now that the lawyer has suffered a minor heart attack. It seems he was hit with "less than 100 pellets" and the doctors decided not to remove them. Now they think one or more of the pellets may have entered his bloodstream and caused the heart attack.

Geezus, all along, I thought the lawyer was out of danger and well on the mend. All joking aside, hope the guy makes a full recovery. 78 tho! Hope I can be that agile at 78 (erm, were these guys hunting from golf carts?)

CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas - The 78-year-old lawyer wounded by Vice President Dick Cheney in a hunting accident suffered a mild heart attack Tuesday after a shotgun pellet in his chest traveled to his heart, hospital officials said. Harry Whittington was immediately moved back to the intensive care unit and will be watched for a week to make sure more of the metal pellets do not reach other vital organs. He was reported in stable condition.

So the "friendly fire" scandal went straight to the top then?

Of course now, the big controversy is why it took so long for the news of this to get out. Over 14 hours after the incident before a local (Texas) newspaper broke the story, after they got the news from..........the owner of the ranch, not the VP or his staff.

Last time I checked .....

- All the facts were indeed disclosed. Compare that with the Clinton's authorizing Vince Foster and Jerry Parks to get whacked, two cases which 14 years later are still covered up.

- It was an accident. It wasn't hidden. It was reported fully in due course. Compare that with the multitude of deliberate cover-ups, murders and lies which were never accurately reported (if at all) during the 8-year reign of the Arkansas hillbillies.

The simple fact is that the US mainstream media loved the Clintons and detests Bush/Cheney. Cheney gets hammered if he even picks up his dinner fork with the wrong hand. With this in mind, does anyone actually believe all the media spin? It's more rhetoric than reporting. It's a joke.

I'm not defending Cheney by any means. He's a real cut-throat prick too. But things should be kept in perspective.

Next stop, friendly fire at the oval office

Maybe one of the secret service agent will have the courage to take down the prez when he is about to press that button on the eve of Armageddon

Chappaquiddiq was almost 40 years ago. It would do your credibility wonders if you stopped being the obedient servent just for a second and admitting that by accidently shooting someome in the head a member of the Bush administration may in fact have made a mistake.

cv

Chappaquiddiq was almost 40 years ago. It would do your credibility wonders if you stopped being the obedient servent just for a second and admitting that by accidently shooting someome in the head a member of the Bush administration may in fact have made a mistake.

cv

I still can't believe that he hasn't been charged. He was hit with what kiwis call "Bird Shot". he would have had to be standing between 40-50 meters for over 100 shot to penatrate. He failed to correctly identify his target.If Cheney had driven over a pedestrian in his car, would he have been charged?

Accidents only happen when you go shooting, if one of the shooters does something stupid and/or reckless.

If the guy dies, will Cheney be done for manslaughter?

Cheney is a Sith Lord, he can't be charged with anything

And the Bush administration is never wrong, they were chosen by God and God is never wrong.

Bush is the God representant on earth.

At least he thinks he is

Chappaquiddiq was almost 40 years ago. It would do your credibility wonders if you stopped being the obedient servent just for a second and admitting that by accidently shooting someome in the head a member of the Bush administration may in fact have made a mistake.

cv

What does the Bush Administration have to do with an accidental shooting?

OK - Cheney made a mistake as do us all. The ideological difference is Ted (the swimmer) Kennedy chose to try and hide the fact of an adulterous affair and a death which shows a definite lack of moral courage. It would do your credibility good to admit that the cartoon I posted was just that - a parody on ideological differences...

http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/medi...ml?itemId=59065

http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/medi...ml?itemId=59068

http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/medi...ml?itemId=59070

http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/medi...ml?itemId=59065

http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/medi...ml?itemId=59068

http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/medi...ml?itemId=59070

Selection #2 Ed Helms, best "correspondent" on the beltway Well done Tawps

Chappaquiddiq was almost 40 years ago. It would do your credibility wonders if you stopped being the obedient servent just for a second and admitting that by accidently shooting someome in the head a member of the Bush administration may in fact have made a mistake.

cv

What does the Bush Administration have to do with an accidental shooting?

OK - Cheney made a mistake as do us all. The ideological difference is Ted (the swimmer) Kennedy chose to try and hide the fact of an adulterous affair and a death which shows a definite lack of moral courage. It would do your credibility good to admit that the cartoon I posted was just that - a parody on ideological differences...

My point was that rather than admit that he made a mistake you tried to deflect attention to something a democrat did decades ago (which he should have done jail time for IMO). Kennedy's cowardice does not mitigate in any way Cheney's carelessness. Yes he made a mistake, but not like we all do. I've hunted for a couple decades and never once pulled the trigger on a target I couldn't verify. 10 yr olds who take their hunter safety course to get their first license have to know it, and a grown man has no excuse for not knowing it, regardless of what some fat drunken rich kid did forty years ago.

cv

My point was that rather than admit that he made a mistake you tried to deflect attention to something a democrat did decades ago (which he should have done jail time for IMO). Kennedy's cowardice does not mitigate in any way Cheney's carelessness. Yes he made a mistake, but not like we all do.

cv

Now Cheney, in an exclusive interview with the administration's mouthpiece FoxNews, says he didn't put out a press release right away because he didn't have his usual press entourage with him. (He did the interview with Fox because he knows Fox wouldn't dare ask any "embarassing or pointed" questions. In fact, in the clips I saw, the reporter's (Brit Hume) questions were designed to allow Cheney to explain why he didn't go public sooner. No questions about what Cheney did earlier in the day at the ranch, did he have anything to drink before going out hunting, was Cheney the last person at the end of the "shooting line" before the lawyer returned

).

Cheney had his Secret Service detail and his medical staff, and no doubt numerous other flunkies, but because he didn't have a reporter with him (very convenient) he didn't inform the public.

Timeline:

7:50 p.m.: At the White House, presidential aide Karl Rove tells Bush that Cheney was the shooter, after talking to ranch owner Katharine Armstrong.

(Note that Cheney didn't call his boss personally. The ranch owner tells Rove, who tells the President, almost 1 1/2 hours after the incident)

He admits and takes responsibility for pulling the trigger, and admits it was his decision to let the ranch owner break the news (to a local, Republican friendly newspaper). Apparently, he felt the larger, national papers might not take his cover story at face value, the way Fox has done. The big national papers might have, gasp, asked questions !

Still doesn't explain why the police agreed to interview the VP at 9am the next morning, over 14 hours after the incident.

Timeline:

7:50 p.m.: The head of the Secret Service office in McAllen, Texas, calls the Kenedy County sheriff to report the accident. The sheriff asks to speak to Cheney, and they schedule an interview for 9 a.m. Sunday.

The Vice-President of the United States is involved in a shooting accident, and the police schedule an interview for the following day ? Why didn't they respond immediately ?

This is a story that is happening right now, not an incident from 10, 20 or 40 years ago. If something wasn't done properly decades ago, does that make it ok to do the same thing today ?

Another interesting point just brought up. Cheney's camp is saying that the lawyer was about 30 yards (90 feet or 27 meters) away when he was shot. He was shot with very small shotgun pellets (birdshot, the size of small BBs), and was hit by somewhere between 11-99 pellets (according to the doctor, it was more than he could count on his fingers, but less than 100).

Any shot-gun enthusiasts out there ? Skeet or Trap (clay pigeon) shooters ? Anyone want to comment on how the pellets spread (depending on the "choke" of the shotgun), and the likelyhood of someone 30 yards away being hit by 11-99 pellets of birdshot ?

My first impression is that the guy was alot closer than 30 yards. Remember (if you heard it) that the doctor said they decided not to try and remove the pellets because they were too deeply imbedded (this was before the poor guy had his "silent" heart attack).

something a democrat did decades ago (which he should have done jail time for IMO). Kennedy's cowardice

what some fat drunken rich kid did forty years ago.

cv

I agree with everything that you said, cdvic.

Even with a full choke it would be difficult to concentrate that many pellets at that range. I doubt a 28 guage even contains 99 pellets. I wonder if it was an accidental discharge at a closer range? Or was it a double barrel that had both barrels discharge?

cv

Any shot-gun enthusiasts out there ? Skeet or Trap (clay pigeon) shooters ? Anyone want to comment on how the pellets spread (depending on the "choke" of the shotgun), and the likelyhood of someone 30 yards away being hit by 11-99 pellets of birdshot ?

Here you go:

http://www.firearmsid.com/A_distshotpatt.htm

http://www.shotgun-insight.com/ShotgunInsi...ageSummary.html

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70028

I still can't believe that he hasn't been charged.

If the guy dies, will Cheney be done for manslaughter?

No and no.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/3660306.html

"Regardless of who was at fault, Nueces County District Attorney Carlos Valdez said there are no plans to prosecute the case because the Kenedy County Sheriff's Department ruled the shooting an accident."

"Before the noontime announcement by hospital officials, they repeatedly had said Whittington had not developed any complications and was moved out of intensive care Monday afternoon."

You sound like the Dems, typical, predictable over-reaction.

This was an accident plain pure and simple .......

............... unlike the Clintons' call to have Vince Foster whacked which was conspiracy to commit murder, unlike Fat Teddy's cowardly abandonment of MJK which was a clear case of vehicular homicide.

http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm

"George Killen, former State Police Detective-Lieutenant, and chief of a never-revealed investigation, lamented that the failure to bring the case to a satisfactory conclusion was "the biggest mistake" of a long and distinguished police career. Senator Kennedy, he said, "killed that girl the same as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger.""

" " Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law?

Or is there one system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty? "

~ Senator Ted Kennedy, 1973 "

"Senator Kennedy's Driver's License had Expired

- Senator Kennedy's driver's license had expired on February 22, 1969 (nearly 5 months before the accident) and had not been renewed.

- Although driving with an expired license was only a misdemeanor, it did provide the evidence of negligence needed to prove a manslaughter charge in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne.

- The license problem was "fixed" by officials at the Registry of Motor Vehicles, under the direction of Registrar Richard McLaughlin, before the legal proceedings began."

I still can't believe that he hasn't been charged.

If the guy dies, will Cheney be done for manslaughter?

No and no.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/3660306.html

"Regardless of who was at fault, Nueces County District Attorney Carlos Valdez said there are no plans to prosecute the case because the Kenedy County Sheriff's Department ruled the shooting an accident."

"Before the noontime announcement by hospital officials, they repeatedly had said Whittington had not developed any complications and was moved out of intensive care Monday afternoon."

You sound like the Dems, typical, predictable over-reaction.

This was an accident plain pure and simple .......

............... unlike the Clintons' call to have Vince Foster whacked which was conspiracy to commit murder, unlike Fat Teddy's cowardly abandonment of MJK which was a clear case of vehicular homicide.

http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm

"George Killen, former State Police Detective-Lieutenant, and chief of a never-revealed investigation, lamented that the failure to bring the case to a satisfactory conclusion was "the biggest mistake" of a long and distinguished police career. Senator Kennedy, he said, "killed that girl the same as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger.""

" " Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law?

Or is there one system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty? "

~ Senator Ted Kennedy, 1973 "

"Senator Kennedy's Driver's License had Expired

- Senator Kennedy's driver's license had expired on February 22, 1969 (nearly 5 months before the accident) and had not been renewed.

- Although driving with an expired license was only a misdemeanor, it did provide the evidence of negligence needed to prove a manslaughter charge in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne.

- The license problem was "fixed" by officials at the Registry of Motor Vehicles, under the direction of Registrar Richard McLaughlin, before the legal proceedings began."

I don't really care for Ted Kennedy or your mate Willy Clinton. Infact I don't know why you mentioned them at all.I suppose I could mention my cousin that got let off a poaching charge because he knew a big wig at the appropriate Govt. Dept. , but I suppose that dosn't do much for you either.

I am amazed at how somebdoy can get shot with no repercutions. If it was only a 28 guage shotty and the bloke had over 100 pellets in him, then I'm guessing that he was around 20-25 yards away. how can you not see anybody?

As I said before, where I come from this would be a very serious matter and a thorough police investigation...I suppose it's just different laws then.

I still can't believe that he hasn't been charged.

If the guy dies, will Cheney be done for manslaughter?

No and no.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/3660306.html

"Regardless of who was at fault, Nueces County District Attorney Carlos Valdez said there are no plans to prosecute the case because the Kenedy County Sheriff's Department ruled the shooting an accident."

"Before the noontime announcement by hospital officials, they repeatedly had said Whittington had not developed any complications and was moved out of intensive care Monday afternoon."

You sound like the Dems, typical, predictable over-reaction.

This was an accident plain pure and simple .......

............... unlike the Clintons' call to have Vince Foster whacked which was conspiracy to commit murder, unlike Fat Teddy's cowardly abandonment of MJK which was a clear case of vehicular homicide.

http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm

"George Killen, former State Police Detective-Lieutenant, and chief of a never-revealed investigation, lamented that the failure to bring the case to a satisfactory conclusion was "the biggest mistake" of a long and distinguished police career. Senator Kennedy, he said, "killed that girl the same as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger.""

" " Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law?

Or is there one system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty? "

~ Senator Ted Kennedy, 1973 "

"Senator Kennedy's Driver's License had Expired

- Senator Kennedy's driver's license had expired on February 22, 1969 (nearly 5 months before the accident) and had not been renewed.

- Although driving with an expired license was only a misdemeanor, it did provide the evidence of negligence needed to prove a manslaughter charge in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne.

- The license problem was "fixed" by officials at the Registry of Motor Vehicles, under the direction of Registrar Richard McLaughlin, before the legal proceedings began."

I don't really care for Ted Kennedy or your mate Willy Clinton. Infact I don't know why you mentioned them at all.I suppose I could mention my cousin that got let off a poaching charge because he knew a big wig at the appropriate Govt. Dept. , but I suppose that dosn't do much for you either.

I am amazed at how somebdoy can get shot with no repercutions. If it was only a 28 guage shotty and the bloke had over 100 pellets in him, then I'm guessing that he was around 20-25 yards away. how can you not see anybody?

As I said before, where I come from this would be a very serious matter and a thorough police investigation...I suppose it's just different laws then.

Alot of brush - so things aren't that easy to see with obstacles in the way - shot (bb pellets disperse wide as the distance gets greater - 30yards I believe was the reported distance)

Chappaquiddiq was almost 40 years ago. It would do your credibility wonders if you stopped being the obedient servent just for a second and admitting that by accidently shooting someome in the head a member of the Bush administration may in fact have made a mistake.

cv

What does the Bush Administration have to do with an accidental shooting?

OK - Cheney made a mistake as do us all. The ideological difference is Ted (the swimmer) Kennedy chose to try and hide the fact of an adulterous affair and a death which shows a definite lack of moral courage. It would do your credibility good to admit that the cartoon I posted was just that - a parody on ideological differences...

My point was that rather than admit that he made a mistake you tried to deflect attention to something a democrat did decades ago (which he should have done jail time for IMO). Kennedy's cowardice does not mitigate in any way Cheney's carelessness. Yes he made a mistake, but not like we all do. I've hunted for a couple decades and never once pulled the trigger on a target I couldn't verify. 10 yr olds who take their hunter safety course to get their first license have to know it, and a grown man has no excuse for not knowing it, regardless of what some fat drunken rich kid did forty years ago.

cv

Well, I've bird hunted for quite a spell as well and concur your point re pulling on an unconfirmed target. Perhaps these old guys need a hunting safety refresher course.

But...nobody's trying to deflect attention here mate - my post depicting Ted (the swimmer) was/is focused towards those who want to nail Cheney just 'cause of who he is and what he represents. It's a news media feeding-frenzy. Instead of reporting what the new Chairman of the Federal Reserve was saying yesterday, all you could hear about was why Cheney didn't report the accident earlier. Now, who's more important & who will directly influence your life - the Fed Chairman or Dick Cheney?

I still can't believe that he hasn't been charged.

If the guy dies, will Cheney be done for manslaughter?

No and no.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/3660306.html

"Regardless of who was at fault, Nueces County District Attorney Carlos Valdez said there are no plans to prosecute the case because the Kenedy County Sheriff's Department ruled the shooting an accident."

"Before the noontime announcement by hospital officials, they repeatedly had said Whittington had not developed any complications and was moved out of intensive care Monday afternoon."

You sound like the Dems, typical, predictable over-reaction.

This was an accident plain pure and simple .......

............... unlike the Clintons' call to have Vince Foster whacked which was conspiracy to commit murder, unlike Fat Teddy's cowardly abandonment of MJK which was a clear case of vehicular homicide.

http://www.ytedk.com/intro.htm

"George Killen, former State Police Detective-Lieutenant, and chief of a never-revealed investigation, lamented that the failure to bring the case to a satisfactory conclusion was "the biggest mistake" of a long and distinguished police career. Senator Kennedy, he said, "killed that girl the same as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger.""

" " Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law?

Or is there one system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty? "

~ Senator Ted Kennedy, 1973 "

"Senator Kennedy's Driver's License had Expired

- Senator Kennedy's driver's license had expired on February 22, 1969 (nearly 5 months before the accident) and had not been renewed.

- Although driving with an expired license was only a misdemeanor, it did provide the evidence of negligence needed to prove a manslaughter charge in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne.

- The license problem was "fixed" by officials at the Registry of Motor Vehicles, under the direction of Registrar Richard McLaughlin, before the legal proceedings began."

I don't really care for Ted Kennedy or your mate Willy Clinton. Infact I don't know why you mentioned them at all.I suppose I could mention my cousin that got let off a poaching charge because he knew a big wig at the appropriate Govt. Dept. , but I suppose that dosn't do much for you either.

I am amazed at how somebdoy can get shot with no repercutions. If it was only a 28 guage shotty and the bloke had over 100 pellets in him, then I'm guessing that he was around 20-25 yards away. how can you not see anybody?

As I said before, where I come from this would be a very serious matter and a thorough police investigation...I suppose it's just different laws then.

Alot of brush - so things aren't that easy to see with obstacles in the way - shot (bb pellets disperse wide as the distance gets greater - 30yards I believe was the reported distance)

A 28 guage using bird shot (about number 9) wouldn't put a dent in a pea at 30 yards..

As for the brush argument..I was always taught to know where people were, way before I would pull the trigger.Mind you, I was about 10 years old then.....