Aldhouse Back In Phuket

[jackinbkk]

Really, not guilty! This guy is surely taking a massive chance on the outcome isn't he?

[NovaBlue05]

Per Sect 288 above, you get 15-20 for premediated murder. Plead guilty and get 7-10. Successfully claim drunkeness as a mitigating factor and get 5-8. Time served in UK & in Thailand awaiting trial & sentence 3-4 years. Worst case, He will be telling war stories in the pubs of Blighty before he's 35.

Not too harsh for ambush & murdering somebody who had walked away and posed no threat to you

[Thighlander]

His arrest record in the UK will come into play.

[AntMan1]

Really, not guilty! This guy is surely taking a massive chance on the outcome isn't he?

Lets hope its a gamble he loses, if he had picked the knife up in the same bar you could understand his plea but not when he's done what it seems he has.

Little tit must be bricking, at least he is looking at a minimum of 15 years. Wouldnt it be nice for some little toe rag in there to kill him as you know when he does get out whilst still relatively young he'll carry on being the oxygen thief he is.

[LivinginKata]

2 off topic posts removed. Please do not start discussing other incidents/cases.

[jcw]

When does he get out on bail?

[LivinginKata]

When does he get out on bail?

No chance. Flight risk, don't you think.

[grumpyoldman]

Update - lee has denied the murder charge

Boater, you were one of the ones saying he would never be extradited if I remember correctly..........(???)

@Heavydrinker, way to state the obvious, it's an Expat Forum (!!!) Hello!!! Also enough with "darling" and "pumpkin" unless you are really some old grannie, I dunno...........

Put the bum in the slammer, " I stabbed him, didn't mean to kill him" yeeesh, what a genius.

[SPIKECM]

Something isn't right here. This guy cannot be right in the head to do what he did. He isn't just bad. He's mad. What was he expecting the consequences to be? A bad man doesn't consider the life of another man, but a mad man doesn't consider his own either. I think when this trial is over and he sits in a Phuket jail, he will kill himself. I can't see any way he could stand that life. Not after the life he had. If he tries to be the hard man in prison, the Thais will break him down and I can't see how he could survive that. Just my opinion.

[bangkokrick]

Update - lee has denied the murder charge

He will admit guilt for manslaughter. No brainer.

[Asiantravel]

" It has taken this long for the UK authorities to consider the numerous appeals he raised against his deportation, which included his claim the prison accommodation in Thailand was not to his liking."

oh sorry so would you prefer our deluxe accomodation... ? Amazing !!

[JetsetBkk]

Update - lee has denied the murder charge

Boater, you were one of the ones saying he would never be extradited if I remember correctly..........(???)

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Your memory is fine, GOM:

Lee will not be back in thailand .... A source said he has a very good lawyer at the uk tax payers expence ,, like I said in the above posts he has been very clever , expect lee on a beach in thailand within 2 years

[bangkokrick]

Update - lee has denied the murder charge

Boater, you were one of the ones saying he would never be extradited if I remember correctly..........(???)

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Your memory is fine, GOM:

Lee will not be back in thailand .... A source said he has a very good lawyer at the uk tax payers expence ,, like I said in the above posts he has been very clever , expect lee on a beach in thailand within 2 years

A lot of people thought the same way. I was one that thought that the British Government would not all extradition, based on the fact that this is the first one in a 100 years. I have to say that I am glad that justice will be given a chance to take its course. Good on the Brit Govt.

[TS79]

Update - lee has denied the murder charge

He will admit guilt for manslaughter. No brainer.

Didn't think 'manslaughter' was a recognised charge in Thailand.

[cbrer]

Update - lee has denied the murder charge

He will admit guilt for manslaughter. No brainer.

Didn't think 'manslaughter' was a recognised charge in Thailand.

Homicide in the Penal Code of Thailand is defined as an act of putting an end to another human being's life. Homicide is divided into three subcategories: murder, negligent murder, and manslaughter.

Murder is defined as causing death to another person purposely. (The Penal Code of Thailand, § 288). A person acts purposely when he conducts with consciousness to cause a result or he is aware that his conduct will practically cause such a result. (The Penal Code of Thailand, § 59 paragraph 2).

Negligent murder is butting and to another person's life by negligence. (The Penal Code of Thailand, §, 291). A person acts negligently when he conducts with a failure to exercise sufficient standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the actor's situation. (The Penal Code of Thailand, § 59 paragraph 4).

A person is guilty of Manslaughter if he, without purpose of causing death, causes bodily injury to another person leading to the death of such person. (The Penal Code of Thailand, § 290).

http://www.thailawforum.com/articles/homicide-kanok.html

[SPIKECM]

It isn't just about Thai justice...and it never was. The US embassy will be doing all they can do make sure that this killer is sentenced severely for what he now admits doing. There might be a little sympathy for some 19 year old caught smuggling drugs.. but very little, if any, sympathy for this man from the UK or elsewhere. The Thais have nothing to gain from anything other than a severe sentence. Everyone will be happy with that, except Mr Lee Aldhouse, who's hard man lifestyle has now ended.

[LivinginKata]

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Everyone will be happy with that, except Mr Lee Aldhouse, who's hard man lifestyle has now ended.

I hope his 'hard man lifestyle' is just about to start, and be put to the extreme test.

[cbrer]

It isn't just about Thai justice...and it never was.

The US embassy will be doing all they can do make sure that this killer is sentenced severely

You mean interfering with an other country's judicial and legal systems and trying to tell them what to do?

Please explain what you think the US Embassy is planning to do?

There might be a little sympathy for some 19 year old caught smuggling drugs.. but very little, if any, sympathy for this man from the UK or elsewhere.

This is Thailand, in case you haven't noticed.

19 year olds smuggling drugs get 99 year sentence. (see the case of Michael Connell).

Western murderers of other Westerners here get between 2 and 3 1/2 years. Including those who murdered Americans. (See the cases of Margaret Crane, and William Thomas Douglas.)

This is the Thai judicial system. And some country on the other side of the World has got zero to do with it.

Mr Lee Aldhouse, who's hard man lifestyle has now ended.

How do you know that. He looked well built and hard strolling through Phuket Airport a few days ago.

Edited December 6, 2012 by cbrer

[SPIKECM]

I wouldn’t normally bother replying to sarcastic replies, especially where the smilies are sarcastic.... but then it is hard not to…

The US had clout in Thailand…the Thais wish it had less.. but the fact is the US is a major export market for Thailand… maybe the biggest.. I am not googling for you… If the Thais do justice here to the satisfaction of the US (the murdered man was a US soldier), then they score points….influencing the legal system can take many forms, some more surreptitious than others.

OK, you get off with murder in Thailand, but you have to have money and power. Poor old Lee has none of it. You can also do time for murder in Thailand even if you didn’t do the offence, if you’ve got no money or power. Poor old Lee did it (he admits it) and has no power and seemingly little money… a bad combination!

“This is Thailand, in case you haven't noticed” I was referring to the likes of Patricia Cahill and many others where public sympathy.. pressure from the UK government...did reduced their sentence…..what I am saying is that poor Lee doesn’t have that sympathy. Just a little from you perhaps, but I bet that won’t count for much.

In the case of Margaret Crane there was masses of sympathy for her as Daniel Dubie (the man she murdered) was a con artist of David Koresh proportions. The US government were very aware of what kind of character he was. I just googled William Thomas Douglas and I have to say I don’t even remember this case. I know all too well about the Crane case. All the same, if you think poor Lee will be out in three years, I think you are wrong. I also think that he won’t be strolling around Phuket jail looking “well built and hard” for too long either. In fact the word “wonderful” will be well and truly out of his vocabulary, probably for the rest of his sick life. The last time he used it at the airport was probably his last. It seemed to impress you though with his sarcasm! Sarcasm, eh! You've got that in common with each other.

Edited December 7, 2012 by SPIKECM

[AntMan1]

Cber i feel like a genius replying to you, even though i'm just a working class English boy with a bit of common sense.

Firstly you've gone on non stop about conspiracy theories and influence being able to sway things, then when someone writes the US embassy may put pressure on to get a rat who murdered a US soldier you cry conspiracy theory.

I would carry on but its late where i am and i doubt i will live long enough to be able to educate someone like yourself.

i wish the property market hadn't boomed over the last 15 years as people who made out of it like yourself don't deserve the fruits its gifted you ... only socialism funds the braindead to live a life they haven't earned.

PS Michael was sent back to a UK prison recently to finish his sentence he'll be out in 2 .... I HOPE!

[stevenl]

i wish the property market hadn't boomed over the last 15 years as people who made out of it like yourself don't deserve the fruits its gifted you ... only socialism funds the braindead to live a life they haven't earned.

Whilst I agree with some of your sentiments, isn't there a big contradiction between the first and second sentence in this quote?

[grumpyoldman]

i wish the property market hadn't boomed over the last 15 years as people who made out of it like yourself don't deserve the fruits its gifted you ... only socialism funds the braindead to live a life they haven't earned.

Whilst I agree with some of your sentiments, isn't there a big contradiction between the first and second sentence in this quote?

I go on the Aldhouse thread and get this BS? C'mon..............

[NovaBlue05]

i wish the property market hadn't boomed over the last 15 years as people who made out of it like yourself don't deserve the fruits its gifted you ... only socialism funds the braindead to live a life they haven't earned.

Whilst I agree with some of your sentiments, isn't there a big contradiction between the first and second sentence in this quote?

I go on the Aldhouse thread and get this BS? C'mon..............

I suspect the story has played out until late next year or whenever it goes to trial.

Just out of curiousity, when a British citizen is extradited to another country to stand trial, does the UK Govt provide him defense Counsel during the trial or does the defendent have to independently fund that effort themself ?

[Langsuan Man]

i wish the property market hadn't boomed over the last 15 years as people who made out of it like yourself don't deserve the fruits its gifted you ... only socialism funds the braindead to live a life they haven't earned.

Whilst I agree with some of your sentiments, isn't there a big contradiction between the first and second sentence in this quote?

I go on the Aldhouse thread and get this BS? C'mon..............

I suspect the story has played out until late next year or whenever it goes to trial.

Just out of curiousity, when a British citizen is extradited to another country to stand trial, does the UK Govt provide him defense Counsel during the trial or does the defendent have to independently fund that effort themself ?

Would appear to me that it would be just like the NHS, overseas you are on your own. I am sure that the British Embassy will have an observer for the trail but assistance, I doubt it

[cbrer]

The US had clout in Thailand…the Thais wish it had less.. but the fact is the US is a major export market for Thailand… maybe the biggest.. I am not googling for you… If the Thais do justice here to the satisfaction of the US (the murdered man was a US soldier), then they score points….influencing the legal system can take many forms, some more surreptitious than others.

You fail to answer the question.

The US embassy will be doing all they can do make sure that this killer is sentenced severely

Please explain what you think the US Embassy is planning to do?

Please explain what you think the US Embassy is planning to do?

OK, you get off with murder in Thailand, but you have to have money and power. Poor old Lee has none of it. You can also do time for murder in Thailand even if you didn’t do the offence, if you’ve got no money or power. Poor old Lee did it (he admits it) and has no power and seemingly little money… a bad combination!

You don't seem to know much about Lee's financial situation, as reported.

"I also think that he won’t be strolling around Phuket jail looking “well built and hard” for too long either.

In fact the word “wonderful” will be well and truly out of his vocabulary, probably for the rest of his sick life. The last time he used it at the airport was probably his last. It seemed to impress you though with his sarcasm! Sarcasm, eh! You've got that in common with each other."

A well built and alleged/admitted killer, trained and semi-pro muay Thai fighter, well experienced street-fighter, who obviously does everything to be the victor in his fights

Yeah, I'm sure he'll be cowering.

Edited December 9, 2012 by cbrer

[cbrer]

Cber i feel like a genius replying to you, even though i'm just a working class English boy with a bit of common sense.

Firstly you've gone on non stop about conspiracy theories and influence being able to sway things, then when someone writes the US embassy may put pressure on to get a rat who murdered a US soldier you cry conspiracy theory.

No, I asked a simple question about a poster's comment.

One he has not been able to answer.

Edited December 9, 2012 by LivinginKata
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[grumpyoldman]

For sure though whether just discreet conversations with key people or outright, "hey, you guys now have him, do the right thing" the U.S. Embassy has had a say.

Now too high profile to let the scumbag buy his way out. Will he get a lesser sentence were he to have done this in the U.S.? Of course, but oh well TIT.

Edited December 9, 2012 by LivinginKata
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[likewise]

I'm sure he has the cash to feed himself well in prison, have somebody do his laundry while he can focus on staying the tough guy. Sure Thai prison is no joke but if you have the funds you can get all the food and vitamins one needs to stay in good health.

[JetsetBkk]

I'm sure he has the cash to feed himself well in prison, have somebody do his laundry while he can focus on staying the tough guy. Sure Thai prison is no joke but if you have the funds you can get all the food and vitamins one needs to stay in good health.

Yes, 5,000,000 baht in the bank and no rent to pay - that's got to last 10 years, easy.

[likewise]

I am also convinced that as most Brits or other nationalities after serving 4 years here he will be send back that is if he gets such a long sentence.