Old Sigmund Freud was of the opinion that the sex drive was the prime motivator for all our action.

And if we are absolutely honest, we must admit – well most of us anyway – that the real reason for our visit to LOS initially, hidden behind whatever subterfuge we projected of exploring Buddhism; an interest in flora; deep sea diving; cheep Chang; fabulous sunsets; trecking and sweating etc.– behind all this lies that big S (whatever its domination or colour).

Straights most likely weren’t getting it (maybe never even had it?); Gays most likely couldn’t or wouldn’t and the ladies perhaps had a hidden liking for the exotic.

Whatever, the point is that the action that takes place in or around our underwear (if we wear any at all), is one of, if not our prime interest.

Now the question is, do you feel that Thailand has helped put your sexuality into perspective with the other elements of your life?

Or are BG’s, BB’s, katoey and assorted soi dogs (or whatever else helps get you through the night) still the only thing that keeps you from the domesticity of your homeland (or any other land)?

Or are you, as Sigmund would suggest, a conditioned neurotic who still suppresses all thoughts and discussion about their primal urge?

What are you talking about Thomas? I actually came here for a job. I came here to learn more about life, myself and my chosen profession. Believe me, I have learned more about all of the above than I ever bargained for... including my own sexuality!

When one considers that Freud's theories have been discredited to the point they have... it removes the premise of your question.

Old Sigmund Freud was of the opinion that the sex drive was the prime motivator for all our action.

And if we are absolutely honest, we must admit – well most of us anyway – that the real reason for our visit to LOS initially, hidden behind whatever subterfuge we projected of exploring Buddhism; an interest in flora; deep sea diving; cheep Chang; fabulous sunsets; trecking and sweating etc.– behind all this lies that big S (whatever its domination or colour).

Straights most likely weren’t getting it (maybe never even had it?); Gays most likely couldn’t or wouldn’t and the ladies perhaps had a hidden liking for the exotic.

Whatever, the point is that the action that takes place in or around our underwear (if we wear any at all), is one of, if not our prime interest.

Now the question is, do you feel that Thailand has helped put your sexuality into perspective with the other elements of your life?

Or are BG’s, BB’s, katoey and assorted soi dogs (or whatever else helps get you through the night) still the only thing that keeps you from the domesticity of your homeland (or any other land)?

Or are you, as Sigmund would suggest, a conditioned neurotic who still suppresses all thoughts and discussion about their primal urge?

See above:

I think this is quite a remarkable and humiliating sentence as well as an unbelievable qualification.

Whoever or whatever the people are you're talking about, they still are human beings with fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters and people who love them...

Shame on you!

Speaking about neurotics...

LaoPo

Wecome back Thomas.

I first came to Thailand to visit my Son after my messy divorce.

I did not know much about Thailand at all , only about as much as the average Joe who had never been. I never before met anybody who had been to Thailand either!. It was not Sex that first bought me here. Love of my eldest Son did, and managing to find some time in my then hectic life to spend some quaility time with him.

That is not to say that I did not find it an "eye opener" to say the least when I got here and he showed his "old Man" what went on here and the wonders of such places as soi Cowboy for example!!

Not many people IMHO could fail to have their heads turned by all the shannagins going on in such places, but it is not that difficult, if you are reasonably intellegent to see it exactly for what it is

My first trip here was more of an accident than a planned event. My original intent was to go to Germany. When that didn't work out, I opted for Morocco. My 3rd choice was Thailand and that was what I chose after finding out the airfare was going to be only slightly more than flying to Morocco !

I thought of Thailand as one of those places I might never get a chance to visit again.

All I knew of Thailand was that it used to be called Siam, and the song "One Night in Bangkok". Had no idea what to expect when I arrived, a total fish out of water.

Everything about Thailand was strange and exotic. The sights, the smells, the culture were all new eye-opening (and tongue burning ) experiences.

My first day in Thailand was spent in bed (jet-lagged with a major headache I'll have you know !). The next 2 days were spent touring Bangkok (various temples and the Grand Palace of course). Met some great, friendly people, sampled some wonderful cuisine, saw some spectacular sights.

Then I went to Pattaya on the recommendation of one of the bell-hops at the hotel. Again, no idea of what to expect. All I knew was that the hotel he recommended was cheaper than the one in Bkk, and it was on the beach.

It wasn't until my 1st night in Pattaya that I found out what the "main" attraction was. As a single, 32 year old soldier, I was "pleasantly surprised" needless to say

It took 5 years before I was able to make a return visit. Like many people, my biggest regret is not finding out about Thailand sooner, and not being able to come here more often. There's too much to like about this place to suggest that it's all about sex (although that part is great too !)

Good call Mr. Merton.

Of course we men are all here for sex, but it sure ain't easy to get most of us to admit it.

Culture, smulture, if we were looking for culture we would be in Europe touring the world's greatest museums.

After a few years, sex doesn't feel that important because it is so available, but in the back of our heads we all realize how miserable we would be without female attention so we stick around pretending that we were rolling in hot young nookie at home and just came here because we like broiling in the sun, making idiots of ourselves trying to speak an almost impossible language and - of course - the spicy food!

Why use the plural "we" when describing your attitude?

Good call Mr. Merton.

Of course we men are all I am here for sex, but it sure ain't easy to get most of us me to admit it.

Culture, smulture, if we I was looking for culture we I would be in Europe touring the world's greatest museums.

After a few years, sex doesn't feel that important because it is so available, but in the back of our my head we all I realize how miserable we I would be without female attention so we I stick around pretending that we I was rolling in hot young nookie at home and just came here because we I like broiling in the sun, making an idiot of ourselves myself trying to speak an almost impossible language and - of course - the spicy food!

Corrected to reflect increased accuracy.

Once you cut through the verbage, TM is telling us his own reasons for coming to Thailand and wondering if anyone else shares his interests. Should the RSPCA be informed ?

Tommy, I came here for work and found myself loving almost every aspect of the country, even the various dreadful smells in Bangkok. Life on a high without having to resort to drugs. Your attempt to ascribe everything in Thailand to sex is a worn out cliche, though I'm sure it plays well on British television comedy.

Good call Mr. Merton.

Of course we men are all I am here for sex, but it sure ain't easy to get most of us me to admit it.

Culture, smulture, if we I was looking for culture we I would be in Europe touring the world's greatest museums.

After a few years, sex doesn't feel that important because it is so available, but in the back of our my head we all I realize how miserable we I would be without female attention so we I stick around pretending that we I was rolling in hot young nookie at home and just came here because we I like broiling in the sun, making an idiot of ourselves myself trying to speak an almost impossible language and - of course - the spicy food!

Corrected to reflect increased accuracy.

Old Sigmund Freud was of the opinion that the sex drive was the prime motivator for all our action.

Freud did know a thing or two.

Totally agree with his opinion...

Nice stories from some posters about why they came to LOS in the first place – some perhaps more honest than others.

I too first came for a so-called “legitimate” reason: bringing my daughter on a holiday offer as compensation for not being able to take her (she had exams) with my first son to Israel the year before.

After the eye-opener, my second visit (alone) had other intentions!

I have lived most of my life (I’m not a young Turk) with my brains hovering below my belt, no matter how much I may have tried to intellectualise otherwise (in the 70’s, if you could talk for two hours about the Vietnam War, you could go to bed with anyone).

This is were I think Feud has it correct – in the predominantly sexually-hypocritical , English speaking countries (countries that have over emphasised and distorted, on the one hand, sentimentality, and, on the other hand, popular pornography), most people either deny and repress their sexuality, causing various neuroses, or they sublimate this urge.

This sublimation can take varying forms. In straight men they often become obsessed with huge, flashy cars as a compensation for a self perceived inadequacy in their John Thomas. Gays may excessively “queen” or become unnaturally aggressive towards women, unable to relax in their different sexual goals from other men. Women may over compensate for their lack of satisfaction in various fashion obsessions or living their lives via soap operas.

Signs of this sublimation are also evident on TF: the overuse of ad hominem; the aggression displayed in debates about the war in Iraq, both from supporters and detractors; the irritations caused by sexual references. And then there is the classic: the aged neocons who use what little “F–time” they have left to bombard us with sublimated love letters to their idols Bush and Cheney.

We will all – because nobody is perfect – have found ourselves slotted in with some nuance of the above described aspects of behaviour.

But then came Thailand. Has it worked? Are you able to put on that “dull face (as the author Paul Threaux once described a Swede) of the totally sexually satisfied”?

I can, with my Thai wife and my six concubines.

Now, I have taken to walking the dog.

I got sent here with no choice in the matter - (no thats not a complaint) did not come for the sex and am quite happy with my sex life!!

Whats the question again?

Nice stories from some posters about why they came to LOS in the first place – some perhaps more honest than others.

Indeedy!

Wecome back Thomas.

Nearly forgot to say thanks, ThaiPauly - hope your health is holding up.

Came to Thailand on business and well fell for the one. I've been coming back ever since.

Why use the plural "we" when describing your attitude?

Ever heard the story about the king with no clothes?

There seems to be two myths about the farang in Thailand:

1. We all came here for the sex
   
2. No one is interested in the sex
   

Where you sit between these myths is your own myth.

What I would like us to discuss, is how much the experience of being in Thailand has changed the position of our own myths.

There seems to be two myths about the farang in Thailand:

1. We all came here for the sex

2. No one is interested in the sex

There seems to be two myths about the farang in Thailand:

1. We all came here for the sex
   
2. No one is interested in the sex
   

Where you sit between these myths is your own myth.

What I would like us to discuss, is how much the experience of being in Thailand has changed the position of our own myths.

I know a lot of people go to alot of places for sex. I know that alot of people would go some place for something else and end up being tempted by what they find.

However, to assume that all people end up going just for the sex or give in the temptation is to be blind to human nature. Yes, sex is human nature, so is the will.

I wish ti see Thailand because I love history and culture and I want to see some of it with my own eyes before I die. This is the same reason I wish to travel to China and Japan, also the U.K. and many other places I could list.

Sex is everywhere and in every country. I would suggest to people that the focus on sex alone as a reason for action is shallow and unfulfilling. If you find it and enjoy it so be it, but to gauge ones reasoning and experience through sex had or not had in any time or place is self-limiting.

I submit a theory: "People have sex."

Talk amongst yourself.

Ah, when ol' Thomas 'Spit your Dummy' Merton is back in Bedlam is soon livens up in here.

A public welcome back TM, now wheres The Moogs razor sharp wit?

So in laymans terms are you asking that when you get to Thailand coz there's a lot more oppurtunity for a shag we all let ourselves go, as oppose to working that bit harder for it in the West with the cars, the clothes and the supposedly sophisticated but often bullshit conversations that we tend to spout out in order to get laid?

Ah, when ol' Thomas 'Spit your Dummy' Merton is back in Bedlam is soon livens up in here.

A public welcome back TM, now wheres The Moogs razor sharp wit?

So in laymans terms are you asking that when you get to Thailand coz there's a lot more oppurtunity for a shag we all let ourselves go, as oppose to working that bit harder for it in the West with the cars, the clothes and the supposedly sophisticated but often bullshit conversations that we tend to spout out in order to get laid?

No. What I am asking (in bkkmadness terms of course) is because you now can shag at will, has it changed your attitude to sex?

How do you now value the "cars, the clothes and the supposedly sophisticated but often bullshit conversations" - will you ever return to your evil ways?

Have you achieved a balance in your life between cleaning out the fishes, washing out the used contraceptives and posting to Thaivisa?

Ah, when ol' Thomas 'Spit your Dummy' Merton is back in Bedlam is soon livens up in here.

A public welcome back TM, now wheres The Moogs razor sharp wit?

So in laymans terms are you asking that when you get to Thailand coz there's a lot more oppurtunity for a shag we all let ourselves go, as oppose to working that bit harder for it in the West with the cars, the clothes and the supposedly sophisticated but often bullshit conversations that we tend to spout out in order to get laid?

No. What I am asking (in bkkmadness terms of course) is because you now can shag at will, has it changed your attitude to sex?

How do you now value the "cars, the clothes and the supposedly sophisticated but often bullshit conversations" - will you ever return to your evil ways?

Have you achieved a balance in your life between cleaning out the fishes, washing out the used contraceptives and posting to Thaivisa?

Maybe I am being a snob here, bit how could anyone find this life a life of balance? I admit that we can become hedonists for a short period of time and under the right cirsumstances, but to find balance in such a life?

Why do you ask these questions, TM? Perhaps they might be answered more clearly if we knew what you were getting at.

Why do you ask these questions, TM? Perhaps they might be answered more clearly if we knew what you were getting at.

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A mans' sexuality is like Pandora's box, without the hope. SPB

Perhaps the answer is in the box.

Why do you ask these questions, TM? Perhaps they might be answered more clearly if we knew what you were getting at.

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A mans' sexuality is like Pandora's box, without the hope. SPB

Perhaps the answer is in the box.

Ah, but this has double meanings. Which one were you refering to?

Why do you ask these questions, TM? Perhaps they might be answered more clearly if we knew what you were getting at.

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A mans' sexuality is like Pandora's box, without the hope. SPB

Perhaps the answer is in the box.

Ah, but this has double meanings. Which one were you refering to?

Ambiguity - now there's a thing - or two.

All great art is ambiguous.

Look at the Mona Lisa - is she smiling, or is she not.

That is the riddle.

Ah, when ol' Thomas 'Spit your Dummy' Merton is back in Bedlam is soon livens up in here.

A public welcome back TM, now wheres The Moogs razor sharp wit?

So in laymans terms are you asking that when you get to Thailand coz there's a lot more oppurtunity for a shag we all let ourselves go, as oppose to working that bit harder for it in the West with the cars, the clothes and the supposedly sophisticated but often bullshit conversations that we tend to spout out in order to get laid?

No. What I am asking (in bkkmadness terms of course) is because you now can shag at will, has it changed your attitude to sex?

How do you now value the "cars, the clothes and the supposedly sophisticated but often bullshit conversations" - will you ever return to your evil ways?

Have you achieved a balance in your life between cleaning out the fishes, washing out the used contraceptives and posting to Thaivisa?

I was never the kind of person to impress with clothes, cars etc. but......but.........but thats bullshit to a certain degree. Lets face it Freud made a great point mark that the primal urge of sex was a driving force in all that we do, whether we want to earn more cash, hit the gym to lose that few extra pounds or make some joke at a party.

I say back in the west I never bent over backwards to be that way in order to get a girl. Bullshit conservations maybe, but I use them here as well I suppose, coz lets to be totally honest bullshit conservations don't cost money and get you pretty far I've found with the right kind of girl.

I'll tell you one thing that I have noticed out here though, is the more women that are available to us, the more we want, leading to a situation where although one girl might satisfy you in the UK or wherever, over here it's often not satisfying enough. Sex addiction to a certain degree?

A prime example is a friend that visits every year, the 6 month here/6 month working kind of tourist. At home, when he has one regular sexual partner he's more than satisfied but out here, it's got to be a different girl every night (or couple of nights) to keep him happy. And I've seen many a Thailand visitor/expat caught up in those ways.

Why do you ask these questions, TM? Perhaps they might be answered more clearly if we knew what you were getting at.

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A mans' sexuality is like Pandora's box, without the hope. SPB

Perhaps the answer is in the box.

Ah, but this has double meanings. Which one were you refering to?

Ambiguity - now there's a thing - or two.

All great art is ambiguous.

Look at the Mona Lisa - is she smiling, or is she not.

That is the riddle.

The riddle is why is she smiling? To which I say why does any woman smile?