I read and study my Bible. He tells me exactly how it all began, and I rate His words higher than anyone elses!

The Bible, that's a book right?

And... erm .... who wrote the bible?

Well, I appreciate the sarcasm! I could be sarcastic in return and ask who wrote the books you read?

...

Just need to correct your grammar:

"I could be sarcastic in return and ask who wrote the book you read, once?"

I once went to a lecture given by Doris Lessing at Copenhagen University, who said, "You know very little until you have read The Bible, The Koran, The Bhagavad-Gita and the The Dhammapada. When you have read them, then you will realise there is not much more you need to know".

Reading them certainly puts most "theories" in perspective.

A word of caution:

Never discuss you religious beliefs on Thaivisa (unless you are a Buddhist and use the Buddhist forum) - there are too many Saints and Mother Teresas out there; they wouldn't understand what you are talking about.

Thanks TM, I was actually trying to avoid religious beliefs (although I have no problem sharing them with those who are interested) , but somehow on this one it just "evolved" without my meaning it to.

Chaos theory would tend to work against what I understand to be the "intelligent design" speculation (it's not a theory because it's not a scientific hypothesis). Chaos theory and fractal mathematics would potentially provide an analytical tool for the higher levels of order we find arising from lower levels of order; for example, the fact that you can get an elephant from a piece of DNA plus the right physical processes. It would also explain the "similar but dissimilar" phenomena in the body shapes of many creatures.

Chaos theory tends to find connections and causes in systems which previously were regarded as being completely "random," and even perhaps disputes the concept of randomness. So it largely helps the cause of those who wish to explain physical phenomena with physical, rather than magical, explanations.

"Steven"

Still, if you believe that a creator is responsible for all things created and the principles by which this creation unfolds, it may make you admire the creator's intelligence inherent in all things.

It's very difficult to argue against anybody's belief, or for a 'believer' to prove what he believes in.

The only thing to hope for is, that people accept it is 'belief' they disagree on, not a 'truth' which is owned by one and makes them somehow better than the other.

Still, if you believe that a creator is responsible for all things created and the principles by which this creation unfolds, it may make you admire the creator's intelligence inherent in all things.

It's very difficult to argue against anybody's belief, or for a 'believer' to prove what he believes in.

The only thing to hope for is, that people accept it is 'belief' they disagree on, not a 'truth' which is owned by one and makes them somehow better than the other.

Believe me, I can't believe that your beliefs include the belief that believer's beliefs are believable!

suegha

So, you got the word of God from the bible and you tell us that God wrote the bible. OK. Let’d deal with who wrote the bible first.

Even the Vatican accepts that the bible was written by PEOPLE, not one person and not one

language and, the bible we have today doesn’t even come from one Manuscript.

The Vatican Library even has an exhibition explaining how the bible we have today is compiled

fom an interpretation of many documents and many translations.

Of course, what the Vatican and other believers says is, the bible was written by PEOPLE, but the words were provided by God.

This presents at least five problems:

Problem 1 The bible must by reason and our knowledge of human fallibility contain … dare I say it? – Errors

Most innocently is the accidental introduction of errors. All those documents, all those languages – Errors must, and have occurred. Theologians have spent centuries examining different ancient manuscripts covering single parts of the bible to determine which is the correct text. Again, if you go to the Vatican Library you can see for yourself the original manuscripts, each differing in some respect but studied and analyzed by scholars until the eventually agreed a final text that we know as the bible.

Problem 2 The bible, in the form we know it, has come about by means of human reason of exactly the same type that is used to undermine the bible

Ooops. What was that? The bible is not one document, but a mixture of documents that have been compiled from differing originals – The compilation has been subject to Human Reason. (Human reason of the same sort that is used in …Philosophy, and in particular that branch of philosophy that we call Science.

Problem 3 The bible is too good a tool of manipulation not to mess with.

I know this is not at all palatable but ‘Manipulation’ of the text is inevitable. The church, the aristocracy, they have all sought to use the bible to justify and manipulate their control of society, we weren’t even allowed to read the bible in anything but Latin for over a thousand years… It was the Church who did all that translation, interpretation and compilation… And to stamp out any accusations of ‘Foul Play’, they also invented ‘Papal Infallibility’. Now you might want to claim not to be a Catholic, all well and good, but the bible was under the control of the Catholic church until the time of Luther… So, erm… do you trust them?

Empires, thrones, vast wealth and power were controlled on the back of this book… The bible has been a political tool in the control of a political elite (who claimed their right to being elite on the back of the book – They also controlled the compilation, interpretation and even access to reading the book)… If you believe that the bible has not been tampered with you are not putting faith in God, you are endowing the Popes and Cardinals with the very divine righteousness they have been brain washing us to believe they had all along… and we know what some of the popes have been up to…

Problem 4 Clear errors in the Bible

Science has demonstrated that world and all that is life in the world was not created in 6 days. The bible’s time line that gives the age of the world at somewhere around 10,000 years is out by a few hundreds of millions of years.

Problem 5 – Credibility

Some guy says God has spoken to him and told him what to write in a book (Need I say more)

So what are we left with?

Darwin writes a book in which he provides a theory to describe how all living things have come to be what they are and that describes how all living things will change to be something else. His theory is constantly being tested and constantly being demonstrated to work.

People of faith disagree with Darwin on the basis of what is said in a book which they take to be the word of god, because, well it says it is, despite having been written by people.

So we have books written by people, that have theories that can and are tested; and we have the bible, a book that was written by people that offers a good story that some people are willing to believe without proof.

And for the record, yes I have read the bible. I have also taken a great deal of interest in how it came to be handed down to us, who compiled it and where they got the origninal manuscripts from.

It did not, as too many believe, arrive with us complte in two books - It has been the subject of human input and human errrors... both textually and all the other human errors.

A great guide to living a good life - YES without a doubt.

An explaination of life - NO, sorry it is not.

I read and study my Bible. He tells me exactly how it all began, and I rate His words higher than anyone elses!

The Bible, that's a book right?

And... erm .... who wrote the bible?

Well, I appreciate the sarcasm! I could be sarcastic in return and ask who wrote the books you read?

Who wrote the bible? God wrote the bible, and if you took the time to read it you would appreciate that. I have avoided quoting scripture in this thread, however, there are dozens of occasions where that is clearly stated.

Funny enough, I don't think you'd be particularly interested in my quoting them, so as it would be fruitless, I wont!

Thanks for your input...

Note to Kayo and TBB, thanks for the much needed frivolity!!!

It's what we do best!

Bebopin' Klowns at your service!

Still, if you believe that a creator is responsible for all things created and the principles by which this creation unfolds, it may make you admire the creator's intelligence inherent in all things.

It's very difficult to argue against anybody's belief, or for a 'believer' to prove what he believes in.

The only thing to hope for is, that people accept it is 'belief' they disagree on, not a 'truth' which is owned by one and makes them somehow better than the other.

Believe me, I can't believe that your beliefs include the belief that believer's beliefs are believable!

BTW, I think we are getting away from the topic. This thread is falling into chaos with all this who wrote what. Someone do some math and get us back on track here.

BTW, I know nothing about this really, still learning, but does String Theory and Chaos Theory have any link with eachother and how would String Theory fit in with this discussion?

I read and study my Bible. He tells me exactly how it all began, and I rate His words higher than anyone elses!

The Bible, that's a book right?

And... erm .... who wrote the bible?

Well, I appreciate the sarcasm! I could be sarcastic in return and ask who wrote the books you read?

Who wrote the bible? God wrote the bible, and if you took the time to read it you would appreciate that. I have avoided quoting scripture in this thread, however, there are dozens of occasions where that is clearly stated.

Funny enough, I don't think you'd be particularly interested in my quoting them, so as it would be fruitless, I wont!

Thanks for your input...

Note to Kayo and TBB, thanks for the much needed frivolity!!!

It's what we do best!

Bebopin' Klowns at your service!

Still, if you believe that a creator is responsible for all things created and the principles by which this creation unfolds, it may make you admire the creator's intelligence inherent in all things.

It's very difficult to argue against anybody's belief, or for a 'believer' to prove what he believes in.

The only thing to hope for is, that people accept it is 'belief' they disagree on, not a 'truth' which is owned by one and makes them somehow better than the other.

Believe me, I can't believe that your beliefs include the belief that believer's beliefs are believable!

BTW, I think we are getting away from the topic. This thread is falling into chaos with all this who wrote what. Someone do some math and get us back on track here.

BTW, I know nothing about this really, still learning, but does String Theory and Chaos Theory have any link with eachother and how would String Theory fit in with this discussion?

Not sure about String Theory but in Thread Theory if a thread gets over the top with Chaos then it gets closed...I believe that is Heisenberg's certainty principle.....not to be confused with his uncertainty principle which states that the fewer people you ignore in a thread the more uncertain you will be about the direction the discussion is going and the more certain you want to be about the direction the discussion is going the more people you must ignore....or something like that.

String theory simply explained.

When I was at school, we were taught that the nucleus of the atom was like the sun and the surrounding electrons were like the planets, whizzing round in their own orbits.

Depending on how many protons and neutrons were in the nucleus and how many electrons were in orbit, determined what the element was.

With String theory, all matter and energy is a "string" that is shaped as a closed loop.

This string vibrates.

In essence, all matter and energy is made of the same basic stuff. All the different particles and energy is differentiated by the frequency the string is vibrating at.

The String Theory is the missing link in the Theory of Everything, as the 11+1 dimensions links Quantum Theory (the very small) with Relativity (the very big)

Intelligent design, if there was one, could actually be explained by the Energy waves of Strings that shape atoms, matters and the different Quantum properties

String theory is not being so enthusiastically received by many scientists because of the same reason that intelligent design is not be received well...that reason is that neither of them have been shown to be testable. So far no one has found a way to test the intelligent design theory to see if it is true or not and no one has found a way to test string theory. String theory is accepted by more scientists though because it has a complex mathematical structure and sub atomic physics is almost nothing but complex mathematics so the attraction of string theory is understandable....also I have heard some comments that some theorists believe that it will be possible to test string theory in the future as more of the string theory is worked out and as more about particle interactions is discovered.

I read and study my Bible. He tells me exactly how it all began, and I rate His words higher than anyone elses!

The Bible, that's a book right?

And... erm .... who wrote the bible?

Well, I appreciate the sarcasm! I could be sarcastic in return and ask who wrote the books you read?

Who wrote the bible? God wrote the bible, and if you took the time to read it you would appreciate that. I have avoided quoting scripture in this thread, however, there are dozens of occasions where that is clearly stated.

Funny enough, I don't think you'd be particularly interested in my quoting them, so as it would be fruitless, I wont!

Thanks for your input...

Note to Kayo and TBB, thanks for the much needed frivolity!!!

It's what we do best!

Bebopin' Klowns at your service!

Still, if you believe that a creator is responsible for all things created and the principles by which this creation unfolds, it may make you admire the creator's intelligence inherent in all things.

It's very difficult to argue against anybody's belief, or for a 'believer' to prove what he believes in.

The only thing to hope for is, that people accept it is 'belief' they disagree on, not a 'truth' which is owned by one and makes them somehow better than the other.

Believe me, I can't believe that your beliefs include the belief that believer's beliefs are believable!

BTW, I think we are getting away from the topic. This thread is falling into chaos with all this who wrote what. Someone do some math and get us back on track here.

BTW, I know nothing about this really, still learning, but does String Theory and Chaos Theory have any link with eachother and how would String Theory fit in with this discussion?

Not sure about String Theory but in Thread Theory if a thread gets over the top with Chaos then it gets closed...I believe that is Heisenberg's certainty principle.....not to be confused with his uncertainty principle which states that the fewer people you ignore in a thread the more uncertain you will be about the direction the discussion is going and the more certain you want to be about the direction the discussion is going the more people you must ignore....or something like that.

Thanks for the posts guys. I have never heard it explained so simply. So, if energy is a string thing what happens if you can change the frequency at which the energy is at? Is this how people think a wormhole can be crceated? I watched a scientist explain how a wormhole could be created and used. Of course it was all theory, but very interesting.

If you analyse the frequency and timing at which the energy of certain members manifests in the form of posts, you may experiment with adjusting the frequency of your own comments, such creating a 'wormhole' into which the thread will disappear.

There is, of course, the "Alternative string theory".

This came about when scientists of different disciplines from different parts of the world noticed that their turds had a square shaped cross-section.

After much puzzlement and head-scratching, a professional tailor whose hobby was thermodynamics, came up with this alternative theory.

To test this theory, each scientist that was afflicted with the square shaped turds was instructed to cut six inches off of the bottom of there string vests.

Turds returned to normal; theory proved to be correct.

There is, of course, the "Alternative string theory".

This came about when scientists of different disciplines from different parts of the world noticed that their turds had a square shaped cross-section.

After much puzzlement and head-scratching, a professional tailor whose hobby was thermodynamics, came up with this alternative theory.

To test this theory, each scientist that was afflicted with the square shaped turds was instructed to cut six inches off of the bottom of there string vests.

Turds returned to normal; theory proved to be correct.

As far as Intelligent Design (simply "Creationism" with a new name) is concerned, one of the things I like to point to is the very obvious, major flaw in the way the world operates.

Take away one element from our world, and everything would live in harmony. That is, no one species would ever work to wipe out another. The occassional disasters (hurricanes, tsunamis, earthquakes, volcanoes, ect) would disrupt the harmony for short periods, after which everything would return to normal.

When rabbit populations get too large, the rabbits start getting a disease that wipes out large numbers of them. (I've seen this, and it isn't a pretty sight)

When game populations are too small to support a large number of predators, those predators either produce fewer offspring annually or, in some cases, stop producing offspring that could upset the balance. (This has actually been tested and proven.)

When forests get old and (relatively) non-productive, the trees start to die off, or a fire razes them. This allows for a new forest to grow, revitalizing the area.

Predators usually catch the old, weak, sick and slow members of what ever group they prey upon. This helps to ensure that only the healthiest members of that group reproduce.

The list goes on and on. Everything works in balance. Proof of Intelligent design you say ?

Well then, if an intelligent designer (also known as G O D) managed to make such a perfect place, why did he insert a most imperfect species that spends most of it's time screwing up that perfect place ? In fact, left unchecked, that imperfect species may one day destroy that perfect place the intelligent designer (aka GOD) spent a whole 6 days creating.

And why, if this Intelligent Designer is so perfect, did he create this imperfect species in His own image ?

I would therefore argue that the fact that "man" inhabits this planet is proof that there is no "Intelligent Design".

(oh yeah, did you know that some people in the church used to believe that the world was "created about 4,000 years ago ? They ran into a slight credibility problem with their "theory" when it was discovered that the pyramids in Egypt were built about a thousand years before the world was created ! Now I see that they are (supposedly) claiming it was created 10,000 years ago. Still lacks credibility.

Science determined that the earth was around 4 1/2 Billion years old (give or take). A catholic priest tried to explain to me that "one day" to God was the equivalent of hundreds of millions of years to us humans.

Another priest was talking about Moses. I forget what brought on the discussion, but he told me that one day to Moses was the equivalent of a week to us in modern times ! I think it had to do with the Exodus, and the priest was trying to downplay how Moses ended up wandering lost in the desert for 40 years (which, if you followed this priest's explanation, would only be a little over 5 1/2 years in "modern" times).

Another "proof" of evolution. Everyone in what is now Europe used to think the world was flat, including the church. More importantly, around the same time, the church used to teach that the earth was the center of the universe, and that the sun and the (known) planets revolved around the earth !

This is what the Church taught and believed in during the Middle Ages. Anyone who dared to suggest otherwise was branded a heretic and likely to face severe punishment at the hands of the church). (People like Copernicus, Galileo, Giordano Bruno and others).

Science (and plain old discovery) has proven that the church was wrong. When was the last time you heard the church proclaiming that the earth is the center of the universe, or that the sun and the planets revolve around the earth ?

What "proof" of evolution is this you say ? Well, it proves that the church (aka the Christian religion) has evolved ! Unlike Islam (which stead-fastly refuses to believe anything has changed since 600 AD), the Christian church evolves as it's adherents grow smarter.

As the population becomes more "intelligent", the church has had to come up with new theories when the old ones are not acceptable anymore.

When a new "theory" is not possible (say, in light of scientific proof), the old ideas are simply discarded and forgotten about (like the idea of the sun revolving around the earth).

So, as the population evolves and becomes smarter, so does the church. It is this "evolution" of Christianity that has allowed to to remain a force today, when so many other religions have fallen into history.

As far as Intelligent Design (simply "Creationism" with a new name) is concerned, one of the things I like to point to is the very obvious, major flaw in the way the world operates.

Well then, if an intelligent designer (also known as G O D) managed to make such a perfect place, why did he insert a most imperfect species that spends most of it's time screwing up that perfect place ? In fact, left unchecked, that imperfect species may one day destroy that perfect place the intelligent designer (aka GOD) spent a whole 6 days creating.

And why, if this Intelligent Designer is so perfect, did he create this imperfect species in His own image ?

I would therefore argue that the fact that "man" inhabits this planet is proof that there is no "Intelligent Design".

Another "proof" of evolution. Everyone in what is now Europe used to think the world was flat, including the church. More importantly, around the same time, the church used to teach that the earth was the center of the universe, and that the sun and the (known) planets revolved around the earth !

This is what the Church taught and believed in during the Middle Ages. Anyone who dared to suggest otherwise was branded a heretic and likely to face severe punishment at the hands of the church). (People like Copernicus, Galileo, Giordano Bruno and others).

Science (and plain old discovery) has proven that the church was wrong. When was the last time you heard the church proclaiming that the earth is the center of the universe, or that the sun and the planets revolve around the earth ?

What "proof" of evolution is this you say ? Well, it proves that the church (aka the Christian religion) has evolved ! Unlike Islam (which stead-fastly refuses to believe anything has changed since 600 AD), the Christian church evolves as it's adherents grow smarter.

As the population becomes more "intelligent", the church has had to come up with new theories when the old ones are not acceptable anymore.

When a new "theory" is not possible (say, in light of scientific proof), the old ideas are simply discarded and forgotten about (like the idea of the sun revolving around the earth).

So, as the population evolves and becomes smarter, so does the church. It is this "evolution" of Christianity that has allowed to to remain a force today, when so many other religions have fallen into history.

So many flaws in the above I don't know where to start.

You confuse the 'church' with what the bible says. Nowhere in scripture does it say that the world is flat or that it's the center of the universe - man's stupidity!

Also there is a difference between 'creationism' and 'intelligent design'. As previously posted, creationism usually holds with the 'young earth', and literal 6 day creation. Inteligent design will allow an 'old earth' analysis but usually stick with 6 day creation.

The bible states, and I do not wish to quote reams of scripture, that God created man in his own image. Man chose not to continue in this state. Because of the fall the earth was cursed, and continues in this state. It will continue in this state until Jesus returns to the earth when he will re-establish the Godly order of things.

The fact that the church has 'evolved' proves that man is corrupt, God never changes. His laws are eternal, his promises will be fulfilled and the world will be returned to an Edenic state. This is what the bible states.

If you are so adamant that science 'proves' evolution, try study some more. There are many scientists out there who believe in a literal 6 day creation. Try the following link to stimulate your thoughts. It's called 'In six days' 50 scientists, all doctorats in various disciplines who believe in a literal 6 day creation. You might be surprised.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/089051341...5Fencoding=UTF8

...God never changes. His laws are eternal, his promises will be fulfilled and the world will be returned to an Edenic state. This is what the bible states.

The bible was compiled a long time ago. Maybe he's changed his mind since, how would you know?

...God never changes. His laws are eternal, his promises will be fulfilled and the world will be returned to an Edenic state. This is what the bible states.

The bible was compiled a long time ago. Maybe he's changed his mind since, how would you know?

An interesting supposition.

But what if the reverse was true?

It’s a bit like speculating on our own death. We never really know if we will die tomorrow, or not.

Most of us have come to the realisation that our death at some time is inevitable – and hopefully not within the next 24 hours – and have taken out the appropriate insurance.

I always find it amusing that folk, nevertheless, take a more know-it-all approach to matters connected to the truth and affairs that might, or might not, take place after their death.

Note to Kayo and TBB, thanks for the much needed frivolity!!!

Anytime love! Klown Boppers at your service... but the frivolity of it all is questionable... I guess it all depends on your point of view and what you belive.... Frivolity vs. Evolution anyone???

It's what we do best!

Bebopin' Klowns at your service!

Erm....

Believe me, I can't believe that your beliefs include the belief that believer's beliefs are believable!

Well spoken. Hear hear!

The bible was compiled a long time ago. Maybe he's changed his mind since, how would you know?

An interesting supposition.

But what if the reverse was true?

It’s a bit like speculating on our own death. We never really know if we will die tomorrow, or not.

Most of us have come to the realisation that our death at some time is inevitable – and hopefully not within the next 24 hours – and have taken out the appropriate insurance.

I always find it amusing that folk, nevertheless, take a more know-it-all approach to matters connected to the truth and affairs that might, or might not, take place after their death.

And after all does any of it really matter? We´re born, and eventually we die.

Is knowing that we came from dinosaurs or a garden of eden - or even a turd for that matter - Is knowing where we come from really all that important?

If it wasn´t so sad, I´d almost find it funny how we all rape pillage and kill eachother over a myriad belief systems that really don´t matter.

I can see where the Monty Python boys got their inspiration.

You confuse the 'church' with what the bible says. Nowhere in scripture does it say that the world is flat or that it's the center of the universe - man's stupidity!

Hmmm, let's see, the bible was written by.........man ! Not God !

If I recall correctly, the only thing God directly wrote (supposedly) was the 10 Commandments. Everything else was written by men such as Peter, Paul, Matthew and Joshua.

The church was (is) responsible for interpreting what those men wrote, and therefore interpreting what God supposedly meant when He supposedly inspired those men to write what they did.

Remember that if man "fell from grace" or "decided not to continue in this state" after being created in God's own image, these are the same men that then wrote the bible.

These are the same men that populate His church and interpret His word.

If man "is corrupt" as you mention a couple of quotes below, why did He chose them so long ago to write his message and populate his church ?

Also there is a difference between 'creationism' and 'intelligent design'. As previously posted, creationism usually holds with the 'young earth', and literal 6 day creation. Inteligent design will allow an 'old earth' analysis but usually stick with 6 day creation.

Proves my point ! Science has proven that the "young" earth theory of Creationism doesn't pan out, so now religion has come up with a new theory. Now, with Intelligent Design, "they" will "allow" an old earth, but stick to a 6 day creation (They kind of have to don't they ? After all, it's written in the bible ! To say otherwise would be blasphemy.)

As you can see from your own words, religion is evolving. As I mentioned in my previous post, when a religious theory becomes unacceptable, they come up with a new one.

The bible states, and I do not wish to quote reams of scripture, that God created man in his own image. Man chose not to continue in this state. Because of the fall the earth was cursed, and continues in this state. It will continue in this state until Jesus returns to the earth when he will re-establish the Godly order of things.

I would disagree. The earth is not cursed. Remove man from the equation and the earth would get along just fine until such time as the sun explodes/implodes.

The fact that the church has 'evolved' proves that man is corrupt, God never changes. His laws are eternal, his promises will be fulfilled and the world will be returned to an Edenic state. This is what the bible states.

Ah yes, back to the book, written by man. I just did a quick check, how many bibles are there ? You are going to say: "There is only one Bible", right ?

On one theological site, it lists over 14 different english language versions of the bible. Another site lists 20 different versions.

You've heard of the King James Version ? Here is a quote from one site:

"Also called the Authorized version, this text dates from 1611. It is a revision of the Bishop's Bible (which was somewhat based on the original languages) by a commission appointed by King James I.

It was favourably received by the authorities and authorized to be read in the churches. It has had an important influence on English literature.

However, it is based on III CE (or later) Byzantine Greek texts, which have subsequently proven to be fairly unreliable from a text critical perspective. The New King James Version (NKJV) updates the language of the KJV while preserving its basic literary structure. There is also The 21st Century King James Version (KJ21). None of these versions are recommended for study purposes."

If you are so adamant that science 'proves' evolution, try study some more. There are many scientists out there who believe in a literal 6 day creation. Try the following link to stimulate your thoughts. It's called 'In six days' 50 scientists, all doctorats in various disciplines who believe in a literal 6 day creation. You might be surprised.

I would be surprised. I've been reading about various religions (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Egyptian, Native American, ect) as a hobby since around age 14. I've read the bible, the Koran and various books regarding other religions.

I like being able to step back and look at the big picture, instead of limiting myself to one narrow point of view. When you start looking at (real) History, Theology, Archeology and Science, you get a very different impression than if you rely soley on a single source of information.

As for the book "In 6 Days", here is a quote from one of those scientists:

"The most telling argument for me in rejecting evolution, however, is the meaningless and lack of value it signifies. If evolution occurred, then my existence is not a special event in the Creator's plan. Yet, the Bible says I am special; I was created for a purpose"

Hardly a scientific reason for rejecting the idea of evolution. "If evolution occurred, that means I'm not special" ?

Wow. Stop the presses !

Another quote from another of the authors with a PhD:

"Although there are scientific reasons for accepting a young earth, I am a young-age creationist because that is my understanding of the Scripture. As I shared with my professors years ago when I was in college, if all the evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate. Here I must stand."

More riveting scientific evidence proving Creationism. Even if all evidence pointed towards Evolution (or "against Creationism"), he would still believe in Creationism because that's what the bible tells him.

So what you have here is a book written by people who base their entire belief on another book written by man, and are willing to ignore any evidence that might disprove their belief.

Wow. Logical, objective scientific reasoning at it's best. No matter what you say and can prove, I'm not going to believe you, and that is my scientific analysis of the matter.

I agree entirely, Kerryd.

Religious believes are beyond any reasoning or rationality, even concerning the (seemingly) most intelligent people.

It is interesting reading these postings between subscribers in two different belief systems.

Those who believe that science offers all the answers – which advanced scientists, do not!

Those who believe that The Bible provides all the answers – which advanced theologians, do not!

A nun once told me, the reasons we are here are as complex and as varied as 16 million times the 16 million colours you can see on your computer screen. Some of us will be colour blind; some only able to see the RGB colours and some variations; others, if they work hard enough, will get a glimpse at the fascinating variations in our human existence.

But, she said, the important thing is not so much the whys and the wherefores – the important thing is what you do.

Science is only of negative value if it is only used to promote greed and results in destruction and pollution. Science must have as its primary goal, the improvement of, and the achievement of benefits for, the whole of mankind.

Likewise religion has no value at all if it causes arguments, divisions and wars. The principal function of religion (any religion) is to give support to those who wish to obey the prime commandment of loving their neighbours as themselves.

By doing this, I believe, we improve ourselves and our environment and you never know, just might get an insight into some of those millions of colours.

Methinks Kerryd protests too much!!!

Totally inconsistant closed mind attitude. Slags off what man says then quotes mans words to justify his own view - hilarious!

Does not even know the difference between man and God. Does not understand the difference between 'church' 'man' and the word of God.

The bible, a large volume of 66 books penned by over 40 authors has a consistant message from the opening pages of Genesis to the closing pages of Revelation and is without contradiction. Would that be the case if man wrote it?

Can God change - no! "...the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning." James 1.17

"I the LORD do not change." Mal 3.6

It also never ceases to amaze me how 'evangelical' bible knockers are in spreading their beliefs. What? Worried that we might be saved from something. You make me laugh!

The bible, a large volume of 66 books penned by over 40 authors has a consistant message from the opening pages of Genesis to the closing pages of Revelation and is without contradiction. Would that be the case if man wrote it?

So the 40 authors were not men?

It also never ceases to amaze me how 'evangelical' bible knockers are in spreading their beliefs. What? Worried that we might be saved from something. You make me laugh!

Which beliefs have been spread here?

Who would want to be 'saved' from 'something', like what for example? Isn't the 'being saved' part of the Christian belief which has little relevance in other belief systems?

Btw, you have dodged all questions posed concerning the bible!

'zzap' date='2006-03-04 18:59:32' post='666068']

'suegha' post='665993' date='2006-03-04 17:37:32']

The bible, a large volume of 66 books penned by over 40 authors has a consistant message from the opening pages of Genesis to the closing pages of Revelation and is without contradiction. Would that be the case if man wrote it?

So the 40 authors were not men?

I would imagine that it has been edited a few million times over many years.

That might explain the "consistancy".

That might explain the "consistancy".

consistency

That might explain the "consistancy".

consistency

'Butterfly' date='2006-03-04 19:50:21' post='666123']

Truth is the Neo-Con worst ennemy

Enemy with one "n", a possessive apostrophe with an s, and a period at the end of the sentence!

Truth is the Neo-Con's worst enemy.

That might explain the "consistancy".

consistency

'Butterfly' date='2006-03-04 19:50:21' post='666123']

Truth is the Neo-Con worst ennemy

Enemy with one "n", a possessive apostrophe with an s, and a period at the end of the sentence!

Truth is the Neo-Con's worst enemy.

Wurst with a "u", A sausage consisting of ground animal parts, herbs and spices, and possibly other ingredients, generally packed in the intestines of an animal.

Enema with an "a", A fluid (with chunks of wurst as an additive alternative)placed into the rectum and colon to induce a bowel movement or for pleasure.

Truth is the Neo-Con's wurst enema.

Good post, "Ulysses".

You've really put that Butterfly in his place with your sharp wit this time.

I am sure he will be devastated!

Good post, "Ulysses".

You've really put that Butterfly in his place with your sharp wit this time.

I am sure he will be devastated!