I'm referring of course to the appointments of Hagel and Brennan. If there was any doubt about where Obama's sympathies lay before the election there can't be any more.

http://frontpagemag....s-cia-director/

http://dailycaller.c...ling-of-tehran/

As if the above wasn't enough the recently departed Hillary had CAIR stooge Huma Abedin working for her, and has enthusiastically been facilitating an OIC motion to muzzle any criticism of religion (Islam) within national laws, which would be in direct contravention of the U.S first amendment.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2012/10/27/Steve-King-s-Outrageous-Statement-About-Huma-Abedin-Was-True

Where's my tinfoil hat??????

Sometimes Thaivisa is like a box of cereal, once you get rid of the fruits and nuts, there isn't much left.

And I gave up posting here because people complained about me using Wikipedia as a source....

And I gave up posting here because people complained about me using Wikipedia as a source....

I prefer Knoor.

Wikipedia has too many unproven lumps for my taste.

If you venture outside the hermetically sealed bubble of set menu opinion and approved news sources you are met with a predictable response from the Trumanites of the Lib-left, who reside within. It would be amusing if their mismanagement of economic and foreign policy was not going to lead to disaster and potential collapse, but that it will.

P.S Hagel is now in position and the Obama administration looks like the Carter one on steroids. I will probably leave this thread alone until news makes it difficult to deny whats happening. Incidentally I started a thread a while back on Morsi and the Arab spring, but I guess everyone was wrapped up in the warm glow of 'democratization' to realize it was anything but democracy resulting, and furthermore never likely to be.

Americans, don't you realise yet that your greatest enemies ARE yourselves?

I hope this source passes the sniff test.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/01/egyptian-liberals-refuse-to-meet-with-kerry-cite-pro-morsi-stance/

Egypt Independent – Hamdeen Sabbahi
and Mohamed El Baradei of the National Salvation Front (NSF) will not
meet US Secretary of State John Kerry during his visit to Egypt, said
Heba Yassin of the Popular Current Party.

The United States insists on painting a positive image of President
Mohamed Morsy, despite the criticisms and demands of the opposition, the
political figures claim.

So Obama insisted on the Muslim brotherhood being allowed to attend his Cairo speech in 2009. Roll on to 2013 the Muslim brotherhood are in charge, organize elections on Easter Sunday, which the opposition parties are boycotting. The icing on the cake is the opposition refuse to even meet with Kerry due to the U.S. government soft soaping of the Muslim brotherhood. An Egyptian magazine went further claiming that six highly-placed Muslim Brotherhood infiltrators within the Obama Administration had transformed the United States “from a position hostile to Islamic groups and organizations in the world to the largest and most important supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.".

P.S I'm British by the way.

I hope this source passes the sniff test.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/01/egyptian-liberals-refuse-to-meet-with-kerry-cite-pro-morsi-stance/

Egypt Independent – Hamdeen Sabbahi

and Mohamed El Baradei of the National Salvation Front (NSF) will not

meet US Secretary of State John Kerry during his visit to Egypt, said

Heba Yassin of the Popular Current Party.

The United States insists on painting a positive image of President

Mohamed Morsy, despite the criticisms and demands of the opposition, the

political figures claim.

So Obama insisted on the Muslim brotherhood being allowed to attend his Cairo speech in 2009. Roll on to 2013 the Muslim brotherhood are in charge, organize elections on Easter Sunday, which the opposition parties are boycotting. The icing on the cake is the opposition refuse to even meet with Kerry due to the U.S. government soft soaping of the Muslim brotherhood. An Egyptian magazine went further claiming that six highly-placed Muslim Brotherhood infiltrators within the Obama Administration had transformed the United States “from a position hostile to Islamic groups and organizations in the world to the largest and most important supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.".

P.S I'm British by the way.

Gosh, an unsourced piece from an obscure Egyptian magazine and the frothers, tea partyites, tin foil merchants and assorted conspiracy bores leap to the conclusion that not only does the US have a foreign born, communist, muslim, black (whoops can't make a fuss about that nowadays, at least in public, and anyway he's only half black....), Democrat President, but now it turns out the Muslim Brotherhood are actually running the White House.

I hope this source passes the sniff test.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/01/egyptian-liberals-refuse-to-meet-with-kerry-cite-pro-morsi-stance/

Egypt Independent – Hamdeen Sabbahi

and Mohamed El Baradei of the National Salvation Front (NSF) will not

meet US Secretary of State John Kerry during his visit to Egypt, said

Heba Yassin of the Popular Current Party.

The United States insists on painting a positive image of President

Mohamed Morsy, despite the criticisms and demands of the opposition, the

political figures claim.

So Obama insisted on the Muslim brotherhood being allowed to attend his Cairo speech in 2009. Roll on to 2013 the Muslim brotherhood are in charge, organize elections on Easter Sunday, which the opposition parties are boycotting. The icing on the cake is the opposition refuse to even meet with Kerry due to the U.S. government soft soaping of the Muslim brotherhood. An Egyptian magazine went further claiming that six highly-placed Muslim Brotherhood infiltrators within the Obama Administration had transformed the United States “from a position hostile to Islamic groups and organizations in the world to the largest and most important supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.".

P.S I'm British by the way.

Gosh, an unsourced piece from an obscure Egyptian magazine and the frothers, tea partyites, tin foil merchants and assorted conspiracy bores leap to the conclusion that not only does the US have a foreign born, communist, muslim, black (whoops can't make a fuss about that nowadays, at least in public, and anyway he's only half black....), Democrat President, but now it turns out the Muslim Brotherhood are actually running the White House.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/02/us-egypt-kerry-idUSBRE92105120130302

Reuters corroborates what I wrote about ElBaradei not meeting Kerry, so it will be tricky to arrive at an Egyptian consensus, considered so important by Kerry according to the article heading. By the way your source policing is becoming tiresome, especially in this forum, which is named outside the box, and not, inside the bubble, if you have any links suggesting other reasons for ElBaradei not being there then be my guest and post them.

I hope this source passes the sniff test.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/03/01/egyptian-liberals-refuse-to-meet-with-kerry-cite-pro-morsi-stance/

Egypt Independent – Hamdeen Sabbahi

and Mohamed El Baradei of the National Salvation Front (NSF) will not

meet US Secretary of State John Kerry during his visit to Egypt, said

Heba Yassin of the Popular Current Party.

The United States insists on painting a positive image of President

Mohamed Morsy, despite the criticisms and demands of the opposition, the

political figures claim.

So Obama insisted on the Muslim brotherhood being allowed to attend his Cairo speech in 2009. Roll on to 2013 the Muslim brotherhood are in charge, organize elections on Easter Sunday, which the opposition parties are boycotting. The icing on the cake is the opposition refuse to even meet with Kerry due to the U.S. government soft soaping of the Muslim brotherhood. An Egyptian magazine went further claiming that six highly-placed Muslim Brotherhood infiltrators within the Obama Administration had transformed the United States “from a position hostile to Islamic groups and organizations in the world to the largest and most important supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood.".

P.S I'm British by the way.

Gosh, an unsourced piece from an obscure Egyptian magazine and the frothers, tea partyites, tin foil merchants and assorted conspiracy bores leap to the conclusion that not only does the US have a foreign born, communist, muslim, black (whoops can't make a fuss about that nowadays, at least in public, and anyway he's only half black....), Democrat President, but now it turns out the Muslim Brotherhood are actually running the White House.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/02/us-egypt-kerry-idUSBRE92105120130302

Reuters corroborates what I wrote about ElBaradei not meeting Kerry, so it will be tricky to arrive at an Egyptian consensus, considered so important by Kerry according to the article heading. By the way your source policing is becoming tiresome, especially in this forum, which is named outside the box, and not, inside the bubble, if you have any links suggesting other reasons for ElBaradei not being there then be my guest and post them.

There seems to be little dispute about who Kerry saw or not as the case maybe on his visit to Egypt, but this seems a little off topic given the topic, which you started, is all about the ludicrous concept of Muslim Brothers under the bed in the White House. Care to find any non-frothing source to back up this claim or is just another tiresome conspiracy theory to add to the birther contingent's charge sheet for Obama?

If you venture outside the hermetically sealed bubble of set menu opinion and approved news sources you are met with a predictable response from the Trumanites of the Lib-left, who reside within. It would be amusing if their mismanagement of economic and foreign policy was not going to lead to disaster and potential collapse, but that it will.

P.S Hagel is now in position and the Obama administration looks like the Carter one on steroids. I will probably leave this thread alone until news makes it difficult to deny whats happening. Incidentally I started a thread a while back on Morsi and the Arab spring, but I guess everyone was wrapped up in the warm glow of 'democratization' to realize it was anything but democracy resulting, and furthermore never likely to be.

Trumanites?? Is this with reference to :

A) the Truman Doctrine

the Truman Project

C) the Truman Show

D) Liberal internationalism

or E) acolytes of President Truman,

Personally I have always rather enjoyed Truman's explanation of why he sacked General MacArthur:

"I fired him because he wouldn't respect the authority of the President. That's the answer to that. I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that's not against the laws for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail."

If you venture outside the hermetically sealed bubble of set menu opinion and approved news sources you are met with a predictable response from the Trumanites of the Lib-left, who reside within. It would be amusing if their mismanagement of economic and foreign policy was not going to lead to disaster and potential collapse, but that it will.

P.S Hagel is now in position and the Obama administration looks like the Carter one on steroids. I will probably leave this thread alone until news makes it difficult to deny whats happening. Incidentally I started a thread a while back on Morsi and the Arab spring, but I guess everyone was wrapped up in the warm glow of 'democratization' to realize it was anything but democracy resulting, and furthermore never likely to be.

Trumanites?? Is this with reference to :

A) the Truman Doctrine

the Truman Project

C) the Truman Show

D) Liberal internationalism

or E) acolytes of President Truman,

Personally I have always rather enjoyed Truman's explanation of why he sacked General MacArthur:

"I fired him because he wouldn't respect the authority of the President. That's the answer to that. I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that's not against the laws for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail."

c) The Truman show, of course. In this case however you are not Truman, but rather his director/captor, who does anything in his power to keep the illusion of reality going inside the bubble.

We have a CIA head, who won't say the word Jihad, we have rubber stamping of F16 sales to Egypt, who are busy installing a totalitarian regime, referred to as a process of Democratization by the current U.S administration. We have their silence and complicity in respect to an OIC sponsored resolution to curtail free speech in the west. I could go on, but what is the point as you invariably go into source policing/ ad hominim attack mode and do anything to avoid such questions being addressed. But, much to your discomfort I would imagine, people are waking up.

P.S And the Obama franchise looks to be spreading too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287565/Obamas-brother-accused-attacking-2-TWELVE-wives-seducing-schoolgirl.html

The Obama franchise - although his brother is seeking power, he should not be allowed to practice power.

He is one of the many unreconstructed 'chiefs' in Africa that rule by right of descent, or right of having powerful relatives, or just plain brutality. These men are not elected by democratic process, but by bribery, threats and killing.

Although I have worked in Africa I have no love for it, as I do for the Middle East and South-East Asia. It is not peopled by human-beings, as I understand the human race, but by oppressors and oppressed, both of whom accept their role in life. It is the dark continent, full of dark thoughts and dark deeds.

The Obama franchise - although his brother is seeking power, he should not be allowed to practice power.

He is one of the many unreconstructed 'chiefs' in Africa that rule by right of descent, or right of having powerful relatives, or just plain brutality. These men are not elected by democratic process, but by bribery, threats and killing.

Although I have worked in Africa I have no love for it, as I do for the Middle East and South-East Asia. It is not peopled by human-beings, as I understand the human race, but by oppressors and oppressed, both of whom accept their role in life. It is the dark continent, full of dark thoughts and dark deeds.

Ex Africa semper aliquid novi. (Out of Africa there is always something new)

If you venture outside the hermetically sealed bubble of set menu opinion and approved news sources you are met with a predictable response from the Trumanites of the Lib-left, who reside within. It would be amusing if their mismanagement of economic and foreign policy was not going to lead to disaster and potential collapse, but that it will.

P.S Hagel is now in position and the Obama administration looks like the Carter one on steroids. I will probably leave this thread alone until news makes it difficult to deny whats happening. Incidentally I started a thread a while back on Morsi and the Arab spring, but I guess everyone was wrapped up in the warm glow of 'democratization' to realize it was anything but democracy resulting, and furthermore never likely to be.

Trumanites?? Is this with reference to :

A) the Truman Doctrine

the Truman Project

C) the Truman Show

D) Liberal internationalism

or E) acolytes of President Truman,

Personally I have always rather enjoyed Truman's explanation of why he sacked General MacArthur:

"I fired him because he wouldn't respect the authority of the President. That's the answer to that. I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that's not against the laws for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail."

c) The Truman show, of course. In this case however you are not Truman, but rather his director/captor, who does anything in his power to keep the illusion of reality going inside the bubble.

We have a CIA head, who won't say the word Jihad, we have rubber stamping of F16 sales to Egypt, who are busy installing a totalitarian regime, referred to as a process of Democratization by the current U.S administration. We have their silence and complicity in respect to an OIC sponsored resolution to curtail free speech in the west. I could go on, but what is the point as you invariably go into source policing/ ad hominim attack mode and do anything to avoid such questions being addressed. But, much to your discomfort I would imagine, people are waking up.

P.S And the Obama franchise looks to be spreading too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287565/Obamas-brother-accused-attacking-2-TWELVE-wives-seducing-schoolgirl.html

Somehow I don't think that it's me who is living in some delusionary bubble...

a "CIA head who won't say the word Jihad". Far from it, actually it's his interpretation (and a widely accepted one) of the word and the reluctance to grace terrorists with a label of Holy Warrior, that seems to have been the cause of such wailing and gnashing of teeth by the frothers led by Faux News etc..see his quote about using the term jihadist below:

"As we work together to defeat the terrorists, we must be very clear about the enemies we face. The killers who take the lives of innocent men, women, and children are followers of a violent ideology very different from the religion of Islam. These extremists distort the idea of jihad into a call for terrorist murder against anyone who does not share their radical vision, including Muslims from other traditions, who they regard as heretics."

Interestingly this wasn't a quote from Brennan but George W Bush, 17 Oct 2005. Using the term jihadist to describe a terrorist is based on wilful ignorance, as even George W recognized.

"rubber stamping of F16 sales to Egypt, who are busy installing a totalitarian regime".. the sale of 20 F16s to Egypt is nothing new. The Peace Vector programme selling 220 F16s to an authoritarian/totalitarian regime (Mubarak's) in Egypt was signed off by many US presidents including Reagan and George W (see below):

Peace Vector I Egypt 1982–1985 (42) 34 F-16A-15, 8 F-16B-15

Peace Vector II Egypt 1986–1988 (40) 34 F-16C-32, 6 F-16D-32

Peace Vector III Egypt 1991–1995 (47) 35 F-16C-40, 12 F-16D-40

Peace Vector IV Egypt 1994–1995 (46) 34 F-16C-40, 12 F-16D-40

Peace Vector V Egypt 1999–2000 (21) 21 F-16C-40

Peace Vector VI Egypt 2001–2002 (24) 12 F-16C-40, 12 F-16D-40

The whole debate over free speech versus hate speech has been played out many times in respect of anti-semitism, Holocaust denial, racist comments, homophobic comments, basic defamation, and now anti-islamic comments. Always a tricky issue. Does Free Speech give people the right to offend or to provoke further offences?

Last word(s) to your favourite POTUS:

It is understanding that gives us an ability to have peace. When we understand the other fellow's viewpoint, and he understands ours, then we can sit down and work out our differences.

The Obama franchise - although his brother is seeking power, he should not be allowed to practice power.

He is one of the many unreconstructed 'chiefs' in Africa that rule by right of descent, or right of having powerful relatives, or just plain brutality. These men are not elected by democratic process, but by bribery, threats and killing.

Although I have worked in Africa I have no love for it, as I do for the Middle East and South-East Asia. It is not peopled by human-beings, as I understand the human race, but by oppressors and oppressed, both of whom accept their role in life. It is the dark continent, full of dark thoughts and dark deeds.

Nice to see you telling Kenyans who they should or should not be electing.....

You also seem unduly harsh and sweeping in your generalizations re Africa and then compound this by comparing Africa to SE Asia and the Middle East. If we swapped Africa for these 2 other regions the effect is illuminating:

"He is one of the many unreconstructed 'chiefs' in (Middle East/SE Asia) that rule by right of descent, or right of having powerful relatives, or just plain brutality. These men are not elected by democratic process, but by bribery, threats and killing.

It is not peopled by human-beings, as I understand the human race, but by oppressors and oppressed, both of whom accept their role in life. It is the dark continent, full of dark thoughts and dark deeds."

or just insert Thailand....

"He is one of the many unreconstructed 'chiefs' in Thailand that rule by right of descent, or right of having powerful relatives, or just plain brutality. These men are not elected by democratic process, but by bribery, threats and killing.

Thailand is not peopled by human-beings, as I understand the human race, but by oppressors and oppressed, both of whom accept their role in life. It is the dark country, full of dark thoughts and dark deeds."

But that would probably p**s off a few people....

P.S And the Obama franchise looks to be spreading too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287565/Obamas-brother-accused-attacking-2-TWELVE-wives-seducing-schoolgirl.html

Hurrah for the Blackshirts!

Last word(s) to your favourite POTUS:

It is understanding that gives us an ability to have peace. When we understand the other fellow's viewpoint, and he understands ours, then we can sit down and work out our differences.

Harry S Truman lived in a different era.

We had just ended the Second World War, with massed armies on both sides, who put 'boots on the ground' in order to manoeuvre the opposition into a disadvantageous position, where they were cut off from their supply trains and thus prevented from responding adequately to massed attacks.

These were wars fought by army generals on behalf of politicians. I can't think of a truly religious war since the Crusades. Wars over the past few centuries have been fought over real estate and markets.

What we have now is parties who refuse to understand their opponents or their views. In Israel the Zionists claim the right to the land, the palestinians claim the right to the same land. This is the Land of Israel and it extends beyond the Jordan into what is now Jordan. The borders (1967 or other) are merely lines drawn on a piece of paper. The fight is still about real estate, but also about a way of life - Western values or 500-year-old religious values. Remember that the 1940s was not the first holocaust the Jews have been through - the Spanish did a pretty thorough job after they drove the Moors out and the Poles and Cossacks kept up the pressure on Eastern European Jewry from then until the present day.

However, wars are now fought all over the world on the same theme - Western values or 500-year-old religious values. And also between Sunni beliefs (something akin to Protestant/Puritan thinking) and Shia beliefs (with a panoply of saints and a belief in self-mortification). There will never be a meeting of minds on such matters. Do not think that the average muslim is thinking along Western lines - in the US those who claim to follow Islam are educated within the US system, mainly, and thus absorb Western oriented values. In the UK there are many thousands of madrasseh-educated kids who know nothing of our ways - there are literally thousands of arranged marriages with children, there are the hate-preachers with large followings, there is a Zakat system whereby all muslims are tythed 10% of their earnings to support terrorist camps in Pakistan.

When I was working in Libya I had a Pakistani engineer who went to the UK to meet his bride (arranged marriage of course) and when he came back and I asked him how he liked England, he said it was fine, but he cancelled the marriage because the family living in England, and all their friends and associates, hadn't changed their ways from 50 years previous, when they left Pakistan. He went back to his 'progressive' Pakistan and is now working abroad again, as Pakistan is not to his liking. He lives in Australia and is the only muslim I know that I can have sensible discussions with on most subjects. But even with him I will not discuss Islam.

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He is one of the many unreconstructed 'chiefs' in Africa Thailand that rule by right of descent, or right of having powerful relatives, or just plain brutality. These men are not elected by democratic process, but by bribery, threats and killing.

Africa Thailand is not peopled by human-beings, as I understand the human race, but by oppressors and oppressed, both of whom accept their role in life. It is the dark country, full of dark thoughts and dark deeds."

But that would probably p**s off a few people....

I am not particularly fond of Thailand, which in many ways is among the most backward members of ASEAN.

I have lived and worked in Vietnam, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Singapore, Philippines and Malaysia. Although each of these countries has a diferent political set-up, they are all, to a greater or lesser extent, light-years ahead of Thailand with respect to political governance. Indonesia has several areas of political/religious fanaticism, such as Aceh, Jakarta and others, but Sukarno's communist government took care of much of the poorer classes, whereas Islam has since failed them miserably.

I would live in any of the mentioned countries, rather than Thailand, provided my income was adequate for the richer ones.

"rubber stamping of F16 sales to Egypt, who are busy installing a totalitarian regime".. the sale of 20 F16s to Egypt is nothing new. The Peace Vector programme selling 220 F16s to an authoritarian/totalitarian regime (Mubarak's) in Egypt was signed off by many US presidents including Reagan and George W (see below):

Peace Vector I Egypt 1982–1985 (42) 34 F-16A-15, 8 F-16B-15

Peace Vector II Egypt 1986–1988 (40) 34 F-16C-32, 6 F-16D-32

Peace Vector III Egypt 1991–1995 (47) 35 F-16C-40, 12 F-16D-40

Peace Vector IV Egypt 1994–1995 (46) 34 F-16C-40, 12 F-16D-40

Peace Vector V Egypt 1999–2000 (21) 21 F-16C-40

Peace Vector VI Egypt 2001–2002 (24) 12 F-16C-40, 12 F-16D-40

Peace vector.

During Mubarak's rule Israelis used to go on holiday to resorts in the Sinai, now it's a hotbed of Al-Qaeda. The Israeli embassy in Cairo was burnt to the ground, 100,000 Copts have fled Egypt and the opposition are boycotting the elections whilst Salafists demolish what's left of the tourist industry. I will leave it to you to google some of Morsi's quotes on both Israel and the U.S. prior to coming to power, suffice to say it is only the more pressing threat of economic collapse that is keeping Egypt from officially binning Camp David.

Meanwhile Michelle Obama and Kerry honor an woman who is a vicious Antisemite, who celebrated the deaths of Israeli civilians blown up in Bulgaria.

http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/michelle-obama-and-john-kerry-honor-anti-semite-and-911-fan_706547.html

The decision to honor Ibrahim reflects poorly on the State Department, which is either incapable of doing the minimum amount of research required to find out who she is, or does not care that the secretary of state and First Lady are about to honor an anti-Semite who longs for violence against Americans. It’s understandable that now with Islamists having come to the fore after all the hope that the Egyptian uprising inspired, American policymakers are looking for the good guys, real liberal activists that deserve U.S. support. Samira Ibrahim is not one of them.

Folium wrote (Sorry editor problems).

a "CIA head who won't say the word Jihad". Far from it, actually it's his interpretation (and a widely accepted one) of the word and the reluctance to grace terrorists with a label of Holy Warrior, that seems to have been the cause of such wailing and gnashing of teeth by the frothers led by Faux News etc..see his quote about using the term jihadist below:

"As we work together to defeat the terrorists, we must be very clear about the enemies we face. The killers who take the lives of innocent men, women, and children are followers of a violent ideology very different from the religion of Islam. These extremists distort the idea of jihad into a call for terrorist murder against anyone who does not share their radical vision, including Muslims from other traditions, who they regard as heretics."

Interestingly this wasn't a quote from Brennan but George W Bush, 17 Oct 2005. Using the term jihadist to describe a terrorist is based on wilful ignorance, as even George W recognized.

The humour and irony in this lot made my day. As for G.W Bush, it just goes to show that Neo-Liberals don't have the monopoly on misunderstanding Islam. 'We must be very clear about the enemies we face', priceless. All the more funny that infidels seek to correct Muslims about their religion, when the radicals, or whatever you refer to them as, quote the Koran chapter and verse. Indeed, many of their organizations have the words Jihad, Islam, or both if then in their names.

Brennan's 'widely accepted' characterization of Jihad actually comes from a CAIR campaign called 'MyJihad' which is aimed at clouding the issue as to what Jihad really means to most people. CAIR incidentally are trying to stop the use of the word Islamist. This is a telltale sign of what is going on. Libyan extremists armed by the west are called Rebels, whilst the Tea Party are called terrorists. The process of Islamic totalitarian regimes coming to power is called 'Democratization', whilst the Fort Hood Jihadist has his crimes classified as 'workplace violence'.

The routine abuse of language is a device used when ones deeds don't tally with one's words, to paraphrase George Orwell.

Finally, 'A violent ideology very different from the religion of Islam'!

An ideology that seems to fit hand in glove with Wahabism as preached by Saudi Arabian Imams, and their Egyptian Salafist immitators, but making the obvious connection would blow the narrative to kingdom come. So we have Obama, Hagel and Brennan, the three wise monkeys - See no Jihad, speak no Jihad and hear no jihad. Whilst all the time the contradictions their muddled ideology abound - I wonder whether the modern Liberal needs special protective headgear to stop their own heads exploding, considering the absurdity of squaring gay rights, womans lib and universal human rights with Islam.

"rubber stamping of F16 sales to Egypt, who are busy installing a totalitarian regime".. the sale of 20 F16s to Egypt is nothing new. The Peace Vector programme selling 220 F16s to an authoritarian/totalitarian regime (Mubarak's) in Egypt was signed off by many US presidents including Reagan and George W (see below):

Peace Vector I Egypt 1982–1985 (42) 34 F-16A-15, 8 F-16B-15

Peace Vector II Egypt 1986–1988 (40) 34 F-16C-32, 6 F-16D-32

Peace Vector III Egypt 1991–1995 (47) 35 F-16C-40, 12 F-16D-40

Peace Vector IV Egypt 1994–1995 (46) 34 F-16C-40, 12 F-16D-40

Peace Vector V Egypt 1999–2000 (21) 21 F-16C-40

Peace Vector VI Egypt 2001–2002 (24) 12 F-16C-40, 12 F-16D-40

Peace vector.

During Mubarak's rule Israelis used to go on holiday to resorts in the Sinai, now it's a hotbed of Al-Qaeda. The Israeli embassy in Cairo was burnt to the ground, 100,000 Copts have fled Egypt and the opposition are boycotting the elections whilst Salafists demolish what's left of the tourist industry. I will leave it to you to google some of Morsi's quotes on both Israel and the U.S. prior to coming to power, suffice to say it is only the more pressing threat of economic collapse that is keeping Egypt from officially binning Camp David.

Meanwhile Michelle Obama and Kerry honor an woman who is a vicious Antisemite, who celebrated the deaths of Israeli civilians blown up in Bulgaria.

http://m.weeklystandard.com/blogs/michelle-obama-and-john-kerry-honor-anti-semite-and-911-fan_706547.html

>The decision to honor Ibrahim reflects poorly on the State Department, which is either incapable of doing the minimum amount of research required to find out who she is, or does not care that the secretary of state and First Lady are about to honor an anti-Semite who longs for violence against Americans. It’s understandable that now with Islamists having come to the fore after all the hope that the Egyptian uprising inspired, American policymakers are looking for the good guys, real liberal activists that deserve U.S. support. Samira Ibrahim is not one of them.

The White House has previous in terms of welcoming a real murdering terrorist (who's organization even murdered American citizens) and a staunch advocate of sectarianism and inter-communal violence....

but sometimes you just have to sit down and deal with such delightful folk, that's the nature of realpolitik.

Who's in the photo?

Who's in the photo?

Is that a rhetorical question?

If not rearrange the following names with their job titles:

Ian Paisley, Martin McGuinness, George W.

President of the USA; terrorist murderer and commander (now distinguished politician); sectarian agitator, fundamentalist bigot and paramilitary organizer (now distinguished politician)

Re McGuinness and the murder of US citizens try Ken Salvesen outside Harrods, London in 1983, and the role McGuinness' goons played in Colombia:

"After a few minutes of talking about 'inching forward' the peace process, Haass finally snapped. 'If any American, service personnel or civilian, is killed in Colombia by the technology the IRA supplied then you can <deleted> off,' he shouted, finger jabbing towards Adams' chest. 'Don't tell me you know nothing about what's going on there, we know everything about it.'"

See below for full article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2001/oct/28/northernireland.colombia

Here is an in depth article about the Arab spring and that the Obama administration not only predicted it, but also knowingly facilitated it, as far as they were capable of so doing.

http://www.radicalislam.org/analysis/nytimes-obama-jump-started-arab-spring

P.S Folium, Your IRA canard fails any serious scrutiny. The two factions were no longer separated by ideology and the booming EIRE economy at the time of the agreement meant the paramilitaries could make as much money from legal businesses as they could illegal activity, so why deal with the hassle of law enforcement? Besides which this thread is about agency capture, which would mean a pro-IRA advisor lodged in Ian Paisley's camp or vice versa for your analogy to hold water.

Here is an in depth article about the Arab spring and that the Obama administration not only predicted it, but also knowingly facilitated it, as far as they were capable of so doing.

http://www.radicalislam.org/analysis/nytimes-obama-jump-started-arab-spring

Sorry, that is not an in-depth article. It is only one person's opinion of what may have been the US government's thinking. And rather wild interpretations of what the US was thinking before the overthrow of various Arab rulers.

And this 'Radical Islam.com' publication - where does it stand? The article has no suggestion of radical Islamic thought - it seems to have been written by a first-year undergradute studying Middle Eastern politics, rather than any sort of radical.

No. I'll dismiss this from my archives as being naive and inconsequential.

Here is an in depth article about the Arab spring and that the Obama administration not only predicted it, but also knowingly facilitated it, as far as they were capable of so doing.

http://www.radicalislam.org/analysis/nytimes-obama-jump-started-arab-spring

P.S Folium, Your IRA canard fails any serious scrutiny. The two factions were no longer separated by ideology and the booming EIRE economy at the time of the agreement meant the paramilitaries could make as much money from legal businesses as they could illegal activity, so why deal with the hassle of law enforcement? Besides which this thread is about agency capture, which would mean a pro-IRA advisor lodged in Ian Paisley's camp or vice versa for your analogy to hold water.

Seems you have a poor grasp of what "agency capture " actually means..

perhaps this might help:

Agency Capture

“Agency Capture” is a common term of art used by scholars and practitioners in the disciplines of Political Science and Public Administration.

Depending upon context, Agency Capture can be used to denote two separate, but similar phenomenons:

1) When government agencies, particularly those charged with regulatory, or oversight, functions end up with their policies, or agendas, being influenced or controlled – held “captive” – by those they presumably regulate.

2) When political appointees, specifically Executive branch department Secretaries, find themselves “captured”, or more allegiant, to the policies and agendas of their department rather than their political master, the Chief Executive.

Your comments re Paisley and McGuinness etc are laughable. "No longer separated by ideology" would have have both choking on their gloved fists. Both sets of paramilitaries have long and still do make serious money on illegal activities to finance their violent activities, covering extortion, construction contract creaming, drug selling or diesel smuggling to name but a few.

The whole point of my White House photo was to highlight the fact that the White House has form when it comes to dealing with actual rather than imagined terrorists and their advocates.

And while Obama figures out how to rescue the Egyptian spring here is another appointee he made recently.

http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/obama-to-appoint-samantha-invade-israel-power-as-un-ambassador/

The chair of President Obama’s new Atrocities Prevention Board once called for the United States to force troops into Israeli-controlled territory in order to end abuses she said were being committed by both sides in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

Having placed Israel’s leader on par with Yasser Arafat, she called for massive military intervention on behalf of the Palestinians, to impose a solution in defiance of Israel and its American supporters. Billions of dollars would be shifted from Israel’s security to the upkeep of a “mammoth protection force” and a Palestinian state—all in the name of our “principles.”