Liverpool F.c.

[StevieH]

So you are distancing yourself from the Liverpool Way" posts!! Well i agree with you they are purile and embarrassing in the extreme.

So what do you reckon about the Rafa manlove thing?

i don't think i've ever really posted about 'the liverpool way' have i? think it's something which is no more to be honest, was around in the days of bob paisley, joe fagan, peter robinson etc. not seen much evidence of it since about 1991 really.

rafa's ace. won't hear a word said against him. he's an outstanding manager and a thoroughly decent human being to boot.

[carmine]

Does anyone know why O'Neill is not being talked about? Leaving aside Benitez, I think O'Neill is just about the best manager we could realistically appoint.

Also is anyone else confused by this obsession with hiring a "young" manager? Unless we are looking for a player-manager or expecting the new guy to be there for the next 20 years, surely we should just get the best manager available to us.

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The young manager thing is not so much an obsession, more an acknowledgement that longterm appointments such as Wenger and Ferguson offer longer term success and obviously its better to start with a "young talented manager."

[carmine]

So you are distancing yourself from the Liverpool Way" posts!! Well i agree with you they are purile and embarrassing in the extreme.

So what do you reckon about the Rafa manlove thing?

i don't think i've ever really posted about 'the liverpool way' have i? think it's something which is no more to be honest, was around in the days of bob paisley, joe fagan, peter robinson etc. not seen much evidence of it since about 1991 really.

rafa's ace. won't hear a word said against him. he's an outstanding manager and a thoroughly decent human being to boot.

Fair enough. I don't disagree with any of that except to say that Benitez can be outstanding and then for some inexplicable reason he can be aweful. I've always found him to be very much an enigma. i remember brilliant tactics at Old Trafford, same age\ain over two legs against Madrid, for example and then i remember some shocking stuff in the last half of his final season at liverpool.

[StevieH]

So you are distancing yourself from the Liverpool Way" posts!! Well i agree with you they are purile and embarrassing in the extreme.

So what do you reckon about the Rafa manlove thing?

i don't think i've ever really posted about 'the liverpool way' have i? think it's something which is no more to be honest, was around in the days of bob paisley, joe fagan, peter robinson etc. not seen much evidence of it since about 1991 really.

rafa's ace. won't hear a word said against him. he's an outstanding manager and a thoroughly decent human being to boot.

Fair enough. I don't disagree with any of that except to say that Benitez can be outstanding and then for some inexplicable reason he can be aweful. I've always found him to be very much an enigma. i remember brilliant tactics at Old Trafford, same age\ain over two legs against Madrid, for example and then i remember some shocking stuff in the last half of his final season at liverpool.

it's important to look beyond that last half of his final season at liverpool though - he was fighting battles for the club's very future then with hicks, gillett, purslow - his mind was certainly not 100% on the football.

look at the manager who won la liga twice with valencia - that's valencia, not barcelona or madrid - then who won the european cup with a very average squad. who had liverpool playing the best football in europe in 2009 and who was only denied the league title by man united's frankly insane run of 14 matches without conceding a bloody goal. who as you say masterminded wins at old trafford, in the san siro, the camp nou, a 4-0 spanking of real madrid in europe, who turned fernando torres into a world class striker, xabi alonso into a world class midfielder and steven gerrard into the best player on the planet for a while. he was and i think probably is still an outstanding manager, a manager of class and intelligence and some amazing tactical nouse.

the fact that he ended up battling on every front with the owners and that clown purslow led to him being called a trouble-causer. when he was anything but really. he was at the time on the side of the fans fighting for the club's very future. he just wanted to get on with managing the team.

[Devil]

It seems more apparent that FSG will look to get the DOF in place before the manager and it makes me more suspicious of the rumours of David Dean. Who apparently has been advising Henry and Co and this was compounded by the sight of him sitting at the game with Camolli the same week he got sacked.

It would stand to reason, then that Dean might be advising them on a young manager who could work with the framework of DOF and clearly they and he felt that wasn't Kenny.

I recall Dean was the one that brought in Wenger who was in comparison to other managers an unknown and young at the time. Wasnt Dean somewhat against the stadium move/investment also (rings a bell)

'Liverpool Way' glad it has amused a few of you I am sure if you ever did use google or popped on the offal LFC TV or others and did a search its recently come up in discussions more so because of the recent Kenny departure. http://forums.liverpoolfc.tv/threads/307234-Is-the-Liverpool-way-really-dead

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=293768.0

one of many btw.

Stevie H, made reference to Rafa, interesting as he had said only a few weeks ago we shouldn't go down that route again!

The same people(not Stevie) are the same who also wanted Rafa out are now calling for him to return...I was amazed when he was axed and still had more to give with the right backing. However in all honesty I really can't see it being Rafa he wouldn't fit their so called plan or let's say David Deans advice!

This is the situation now there a massive split in opinion between the older fan base and the younger fan base with some very polarised views on who should be manager and where Liverpool should be and agin the Kenny sacking has compounded this. For me the worst thing is some have absolute total disregard to what Kenny did and going a far to say he was a disaster( unbelievable)

I can see it being a relative unknown manager coming in and the so called global search with top names being thrown in is just a smoke screen!

Finally there hasn't been one word from the owners who made such an effort early doors to get on the TV and engage with the fans and now they seem to of gone into hiding...just adding to the unrest by prolonging any word or even insight into their plans and worse of all letting Ian Ayre do countless interviews who has now revealed himself to be completely our of his depth and back tracking on what he had said before (he has been the most disappointing of al)

"Bastion of Invincibility" Liverpool Football Club.

Edited May 22, 2012 by Devil

[MrRed]

[MrRed]

Please bring back Rafa

[StevieH]

and people accuse some man united fans of having no sense of humour.

[sharecropper]

and people accuse some man united fans of having no sense of humour.

And there you go proving you HAVE one!

[tw25rw]

It's Souness!

It's deja vu all over again.

[sharecropper]

King Kenny was a Liverpool Legend. A hero player. A graduate of the Anfield Boot Room, steeped in The Liverpool Way, what a manager.

But I am appalled that nobody has got behind another Liverpool Legend, hero on the pitch, and also a footy manager in the style of King Kenny.

In fact, he could even share his initials.

KING KEVIN.

Why isn't anyone baying for him to be appointed?

[carmine]

Reports from London saying its Redknapp to anfield!

can't see it myself as we couldn't afford the compensation they would demand from us!

[maccastime]

Reports from London saying its Redknapp to anfield!

can't see it myself as we couldn't afford the compensation they would demand from us!

Not bwoody Hawwwy.....couldnt stand it

[carmine]

Reports from London saying its Redknapp to anfield!

can't see it myself as we couldn't afford the compensation they would demand from us!

Not bwoody Hawwwy.....couldnt stand it

I truely believe he could be offered it. But, and its a big but, Sandra doesn't want to move north and frankly who can blame her.

On the other hand, the Redknapps could move next door the Senor Benitez on the wirral and rafa could walk the dogs up until he finds unemployment. I say this because what with the strike rate of your forwards last season i think harry would play a 4-4-1-1 with Stevie G dropping in behind Sandra as it were.

You might remember that Sandra is accordind to Harry a better striker than Darren Bent.

Exciting times at Anfield

[sharecropper]

I had read Capello was highly fancied for it, which would be great! Harry would make Liverpool dangerous again, so I hope he stays put.

Uh oh - The Socialist Republic of Liverpool FC is starting to limber up again. While I understand and share their concerns, it really isn't the supporters' club, and engaging with a "true representative cross section of supporters and work with supporters to find solutions" would invite even greater disaster.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9282211/Liverpool-owner-John-W-Henry-challenged-by-supporters-union-Spirit-of-Shankly-over-failure-to-communicate.html

[StevieH]

I truely believe he could be offered it.

he won't be and never would be. so don't fret.

Edited May 23, 2012 by StevieH

[carmine]

I truely believe he could be offered it.

he won't be and never would be. so don't fret.

Its a natural fit. I think FSG are proving they are every bit stupid enough to get swept into the Harry diamond geezer roadshow. And i'll tell you what, old wobbly chops can really spin a story. When i went to Spurs they only had 2 cpoints from 8 games blah blah blah

Oh no mate, i'm not fretting, i'm salivating at the whole prospect of the announcement. He might even bring that gormless twit kevin Bond, his part time chauffeur with him

[MrRed]

My binman from Burma was asking if i had any work for him yesterday,i kindly pointed that the Liverpool job was up for takers(he had a old Liverpool shirt on)he responded with the shake of his head and shouted to his mate farang ba!! no want this.

Martinez will be manager.

[Abrak]

I truely believe he could be offered it.

he won't be and never would be. so don't fret.

Its a natural fit. I think FSG are proving they are every bit stupid enough to get swept into the Harry diamond geezer roadshow. And i'll tell you what, old wobbly chops can really spin a story. When i went to Spurs they only had 2 cpoints from 8 games blah blah blah

Oh no mate, i'm not fretting, i'm salivating at the whole prospect of the announcement. He might even bring that gormless twit kevin Bond, his part time chauffeur with him

Bit of a long commute from Sandbanks each day....

[carmine]

I truely believe he could be offered it.

he won't be and never would be. so don't fret.

Its a natural fit. I think FSG are proving they are every bit stupid enough to get swept into the Harry diamond geezer roadshow. And i'll tell you what, old wobbly chops can really spin a story. When i went to Spurs they only had 2 cpoints from 8 games blah blah blah

Oh no mate, i'm not fretting, i'm salivating at the whole prospect of the announcement. He might even bring that gormless twit kevin Bond, his part time chauffeur with him

Bit of a long commute from Sandbanks each day....

Oh Abrak keep up with things. He's moving to the wirral and Rafa's walking the dogs Theres always one!

[StevieH]

Its a natural fit. I think FSG are proving they are every bit stupid enough to get swept into the Harry diamond geezer roadshow. And i'll tell you what, old wobbly chops can really spin a story. When i went to Spurs they only had 2 cpoints from 8 games blah blah blah

nah. they're not exactly covering themselves in glory but they seem to want a senior director of football and a younger team coach. the tax-fiddling scrotum-faced wheeler dealer doesn't fit into that.

[davejonesbkk]

I seriously doubt it would be Harry, would cost too much, way too much expectations and tbh Spurs are in a stronger position than LFC.

Martinez would be interesting, Im just wondering though, lets says he is hired and by say mid November-December they are still hovering 7th or 8th how patient would fans (and the press) be then? I suppose AVB you could say its a 3 year plan or something, would Martinez be given the same leeway?

[carmine]

I seriously doubt it would be Harry, would cost too much, way too much expectations and tbh Spurs are in a stronger position than LFC.

Martinez would be interesting, Im just wondering though, lets says he is hired and by say mid November-December they are still hovering 7th or 8th how patient would fans (and the press) be then? I suppose AVB you could say its a 3 year plan or something, would Martinez be given the same leeway?

AVB doesn't become a manager or a coach....he starts a new project!

If he dropped that protentious claptrap and discarded the ridiculous garment that looks like a schoolboys cast off more fans would take him seriously after his debarcle at Chelsea.

Yes he's brought through some very good players but cutting the mustard in the potugese league doesn't necessarily mean he make it in the premier. I do think he will if he has a strong supportive figure above him but we'll have to wait and see..

We used to loads of fun with Joe Cole when his was at West ham shouting out "Its time for dinner joe" and the likes and Villas-Boas puts himself over as too much of a little boy too.

[brit1984]

I think whoever comes in has got one hell of a rough road ahead of them. Through their actions the owners have made it clear winning trophies is a lower priority than getting back into the Champions League.

I am sure Chelsea will spend to be stronger next year so realistically the top 4 will probably be Arsenal, Chelsea, City and United. Spurs and Newcastle will continue to be up there if they can keep their key players, so the new manager will have quite a challenge to find a way back into the Champions League.

Whatever the owners say now, if the new manager doesn't win any trophies and we finish 7th/8th next season, I think it is highly likely we will be having this same discussion next summer.

I think we need to hire a proven high calibre manager now (e.g. O'Neill), not someone who is still learning and might become a top manager in 5-10 years.

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Edited May 23, 2012 by brit1984

[davejonesbkk]

So that leaves Martinez and....Martinez? I think most of the others on the list have ruled themselves out, Rafa is being starngely quiet though, when AVB got the boot he was dropping hints about the Chelsea job all over the place. Why has there been little or no mention of Capello btw?

Edited May 23, 2012 by davejonesbkk

[carmine]

I think whoever comes in has got one hell of a rough road ahead of them. Through their actions the owners have made it clear winning trophies is a lower priority than getting back into the Champions League.

I am sure Chelsea will spend to be stronger next year so realistically the top 4 will probably be Arsenal, Chelsea, City and United. Spurs and Newcastle will continue to be up there if they can keep their key players, so the new manager will have quite a challenge to find a way back into the Champions League.

Whatever the owners say now, if the new manager doesn't win any trophies and we finish 7th/8th next season, I think it is highly likely we will be having this same discussion next summer.

I think we need to hire a proven high calibre manager now (e.g. O'Neill), not someone who is still learning and might become a top manager in 5-10 years.

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O'Neil is a reasonable manager but that about it.

He has an average record regards the tranfer market and has seriously compromised the wage bill of past clubs he has managed.

[brit1984]

I think whoever comes in has got one hell of a rough road ahead of them. Through their actions the owners have made it clear winning trophies is a lower priority than getting back into the Champions League.

I am sure Chelsea will spend to be stronger next year so realistically the top 4 will probably be Arsenal, Chelsea, City and United. Spurs and Newcastle will continue to be up there if they can keep their key players, so the new manager will have quite a challenge to find a way back into the Champions League.

Whatever the owners say now, if the new manager doesn't win any trophies and we finish 7th/8th next season, I think it is highly likely we will be having this same discussion next summer.

I think we need to hire a proven high calibre manager now (e.g. O'Neill), not someone who is still learning and might become a top manager in 5-10 years.

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O'Neil is a reasonable manager but that about it.

He has an average record regards the tranfer market and has seriously compromised the wage bill of past clubs he has managed.

While he is often disregarded as being just average, I think he did great things with Leicester, Celtic, Aston Villa and Sunderland. He is the one guy, who we can realistically get, who I feel confident would squeeze us into the champions league places.

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[Abrak]

I think whoever comes in has got one hell of a rough road ahead of them. Through their actions the owners have made it clear winning trophies is a lower priority than getting back into the Champions League.

I am sure Chelsea will spend to be stronger next year so realistically the top 4 will probably be Arsenal, Chelsea, City and United. Spurs and Newcastle will continue to be up there if they can keep their key players, so the new manager will have quite a challenge to find a way back into the Champions League.

Whatever the owners say now, if the new manager doesn't win any trophies and we finish 7th/8th next season, I think it is highly likely we will be having this same discussion next summer.

I think we need to hire a proven high calibre manager now (e.g. O'Neill), not someone who is still learning and might become a top manager in 5-10 years.

Sent from iPhone; please forgive any typos or violations of forum rules

O'Neil is a reasonable manager but that about it.

He has an average record regards the tranfer market and has seriously compromised the wage bill of past clubs he has managed.

While he is often disregarded as being just average, I think he did great things with Leicester, Celtic, Aston Villa and Sunderland. He is the one guy, who we can realistically get, who I feel confident would squeeze us into the champions league places.

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O'Neill was a total disaster at Aston Villa. He destroyed the cost base and massively overstaffed the club. They are still suffering from the effects of his overspending now (as cutbacks naturally meant selling their best players and keeping overpaid players they couldnt get rid of.) He is the root cause of their current problems.

[smokie36]

You got one serious reply carmine and dev hasn't been in yet so we'll call that a success.

[StevieH]

I think whoever comes in has got one hell of a rough road ahead of them. Through their actions the owners have made it clear winning trophies is a lower priority than getting back into the Champions League.

I am sure Chelsea will spend to be stronger next year so realistically the top 4 will probably be Arsenal, Chelsea, City and United. Spurs and Newcastle will continue to be up there if they can keep their key players, so the new manager will have quite a challenge to find a way back into the Champions League.

Whatever the owners say now, if the new manager doesn't win any trophies and we finish 7th/8th next season, I think it is highly likely we will be having this same discussion next summer.

I think we need to hire a proven high calibre manager now (e.g. O'Neill), not someone who is still learning and might become a top manager in 5-10 years.

i was agreeing with everything you said there until you mentioned o'neill.

way i see it there are 2 ways back into the top 4 and champions league for us. 1) throw 200 million at signings this summer and in january a la chelsea and city or 2) get a manager in who has previous experience of getting into the champions league consistently on a comparatively meagre budget. one who is able to do more with less etc.

i don't think the owners are going to do either of these things. so top 8 again it is.