Acting Irs Chief Ousted Over Tax Scandal As Obama Vows Change

[Publicus]

If there is an impeachable offense, impeach him and be done with it.

Otherwise, please don't waste the world's time on this crapola for the next three years.

But we must eat up all of obama's time in office... keep him dodging and running - out of focus... keep him so busy dodging political bullets that he has no time to do more dastardly things to my country.

This is the mentality and attitude of the far right wingnuts of the country.

They care about the country in their own way. They hate Obama and want to cause all the political harm they can to him. That means continuing to paralyze the country but now in yet another and different way.

The majority of the American people know this attitude, which is why Prez Obama got reelected. And which is why you can't drive Barack Obama from office. Your objections to the Obama presidency are political. Your objections are not based on law, or morality, on the Constitution.

I hope the House votes a contempt citation. The vote along strictly party lines will expose the Republicans and other rightwingnuts to the country and to the world as a partisan ideological gang who use politics to try to nullify the result of the 2012 election.

I expect IF a contempt citations is sought against Lerner it will all be on a party line vote. All the Democrats on the committee will vote against it, even though they might actually be in favor, knowing full well the Republican majority will vote for it, pass it and their respective Democratic butts will be covered in the next election.

The same situation will apply when a full House vote is called. The Republican majority will vote for contempt and the Democratic Representatives will hide under their desks again, just like they did on the Holder contempt citation.

What is needed is for the House Oversight Committee to give Lerner total immunity from prosecution and remove the privilege offered by the 5th Amendment.

Snarky66 and Krauthammer got that one right.

No one can be required by a prosecuting authority to accept an offer of immunity. Lois Lerner has made clear that she will continue to not cooperate. Her position, on advice of her highpowered lawyer, would be enhanced were a Special Counsel appointed. So you guys shouldn't be surprised if the president very quietly gives the green light to AG Holder to appoint one.

A Special Counsel in the mix would effectively and literally foil the Republican party's hand in their political inquisition while also satisfying the public who want a Special Counsel, even tho the vast majority of the public haven't any idea of how a Special Counsel would be selected or what his/her remit would be. Moreover, Lerner's Washington lawyer is fully prepared to deal with the civil litigation that has been filed in the U.S. District Courts, past, present and future.

(To Thaivisa: Why do you inform us AFTER we have replied to more than one post in our one post that too many blocks of text exist, thus disallowing our ALREADY written replies? Frankly speaking, it's a stupid way of doing things. It wastes our time, effort and purposes. So why do you confound us in this mutilating way?! )

[mania]

(To Thaivisa: Why do you inform us AFTER we have replied to more than one post in our one post that too many blocks of text exist, thus disallowing our ALREADY written replies? Frankly speaking, it's a stupid way of doing things. It wastes our time, effort and purposes. So why do you confound us in this mutilating way?! )

I think they do it to show you how we all feel having to wade thru tons of quotes we have already read wasting "our" time.

Kidding Aside, the simple fix when instructed as you were is to just hit back on your browser & then backspace a quote or two out.

In that case "you" have not wasted anytime since your post is usually still there.

You really only need quote the one line, if possible, your replying to.

UG's post #421 right above yours is a perfect example.

Edited June 1, 2013 by mania

[Publicus]

Can you name any Republican in the House or Senate who has spoken to advocate having a Special Counsel?

Please stop the constant, inaccurate partisan spin.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Sunday called for a special counsel to probe two scandals involving the IRS and the Justice Department, questioning the Obama administration’s ability to police itself. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/26/lindsey-graham-calls-for-special-counsel-probe-of-irs-and-justice-dept-scandals/

Sen Graham knows where a special counsel would come from, i.e., AG Holder exclusively and absolutely. I'd asked that anyone name a Republican party Senator or Congress person who wants a special counsel, and you have given the name of one. Sen Graham is the exception I'd said you'd find - there may be a couple of lonely others in the R party. It's the R party's position not to have a special counsel, for the reasons I'd pointed out, whether you recognize the political reasons or fail to recognize them.

Republican columnists at newspapers or magazines online - in print or on television - are silent of the matter of a special counsel. They know the R party's political position against having a special counsel because having one would take the raw political power of inquisition out of the hands of the R's in the Congress, or would diminish it substantially and significantly.

Sen Graham is working feverishly to avoid or to defeat a tea party primary opponent in his state, South Carolina, which is one of the most politically and culturally conservative states of the Union. He is the exception I said exists among the R's in Washington, and he has his own electoral reasons for sounding objective, fair, impartial etc. It's for sure the voters of SC want a special counsel too - they just don't yet know the specifics of how a special counsel would be appointed, named, or who it is that gives a special counsel his/her remit, consistent with the special counsel law. Sen Graham wants this hot political issue out of his backyard. There are lots of tea party voters in SC.

(To Thaivisa: Why do you inform us AFTER we have replied to more than one post in our one post that too many blocks of text exist, thus disallowing our ALREADY written replies? Frankly speaking, it's a stupid way to do things. It wastes our time, effort and purposes. So why do you confound us in this fold, spin and mutilate way?! )

[Publicus]

(To Thaivisa: Why do you inform us AFTER we have replied to more than one post in our one post that too many blocks of text exist, thus disallowing our ALREADY written replies? Frankly speaking, it's a stupid way of doing things. It wastes our time, effort and purposes. So why do you confound us in this mutilating way?! )

I think they do it to show you how we all feel having to wade thru tons of quotes we have already read wasting "our" time.

Kidding Aside, the simple fix when instructed as you were is to just hit back on your browser & then backspace a quote or two out.

In that case "you" have not wasted anytime since your post is usually still there.

You really only need quote the one line, if possible, your replying to.

UG's post #421 right above yours is a perfect example.

You don't have a Chinese junk computer (Lenovo). Never mind how or why I have it. The fact is I have it. Editing posts is a massive undertaking, complex and involved.

All other things being equal, however, I'm sure I'm not alone in my objection to the burdensome and laborious TVF procedures. If you want to discuss this further, PM to me.

[Scott]

A poster issued this question: (To Thaivisa: Why do you inform us AFTER we have replied to more than one post in our one post that too many blocks of text exist, thus disallowing our ALREADY written replies? Frankly speaking, it's a stupid way of doing things. It wastes our time, effort and purposes. So why do you confound us in this mutilating way?! )

You can post the question in the forum support section where you may get a better answer, but it is a glitch in the program software and will not be corrected until the next upgrade. I've never understood why people feel the need to quote every single post over and over again and the run the risk of getting them deleted, because one of them is deemed off-topic.

[mania]

Actually a simple solution is turn off the quote BBCode Mode switch

Then it is back to the old TV style quoting & easy to work with

When you go to reply just click the first button that looks like a light switch in

the upper left panel of the reply box.

Try it you will like it & it is much easier.

You can still click it back on mid reply if you want to use BBCode features

Edited June 1, 2013 by mania

[Publicus]

Actually a simple solution is turn off the quote BBCode Mode switch

Then it is back to the old TV style quoting & easy to work with

When you go to reply just click the first button that looks like a light switch in

the upper left panel of the reply box.

Try it you will like it & it is much easier.

You can still click it back on mid reply if you want to use BBCode features

Are you a lawyer?!

[mania]

Are you a lawyer?!

No

Lawyers aren't helpful are they?

[Publicus]

Are you a lawyer?!

No

Lawyers aren't helpful are they?

At least lawyers can charge a fee for their advice.

[Ulysses G.]

Can you name any Republican in the House or Senate who has spoken to advocate having a Special Counsel?

Please stop the constant, inaccurate partisan spin.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Sunday called for a special counsel to probe two scandals involving the IRS and the Justice Department, questioning the Obama administration’s ability to police itself. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/26/lindsey-graham-calls-for-special-counsel-probe-of-irs-and-justice-dept-scandals/

Sen Graham knows where a special counsel would come from, i.e., AG Holder exclusively and absolutely. I'd asked that anyone name a Republican party Senator or Congress person who wants a special counsel, and you have given the name of one. Sen Graham is the exception I'd said you'd find - there may be a couple of lonely others in the R party.

You are being dishonest once again. In the post that I quoted. you said repeatedly that there was not even one Republican calling for a special council and now you are saying that there "may be a few". Lindsey Graham is one of the most prominent Republican senators and he called for a special council. No one is really interested in more partisan Media Matters type spin about his supposed motives.

Edited June 1, 2013 by Ulysses G.

[Publicus]

Can you name any Republican in the House or Senate who has spoken to advocate having a Special Counsel?

Please stop the constant, inaccurate partisan spin.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Sunday called for a special counsel to probe two scandals involving the IRS and the Justice Department, questioning the Obama administration’s ability to police itself. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/26/lindsey-graham-calls-for-special-counsel-probe-of-irs-and-justice-dept-scandals/

Sen Graham knows where a special counsel would come from, i.e., AG Holder exclusively and absolutely. I'd asked that anyone name a Republican party Senator or Congress person who wants a special counsel, and you have given the name of one. Sen Graham is the exception I'd said you'd find - there may be a couple of lonely others in the R party.

You are being dishonest once again. In the post that I quoted. you said repeatedly that there was not even one Republican calling for a special council and now you are saying that there "may be a few". Lindsey Graham is one of the most prominent Republican senators and he called for a special council. No one is really interested in more partisan Media Matters type spin about his supposed motives.

You misrepresent me, period.

[JDGRUEN]

If there is an impeachable offense, impeach him and be done with it.

Otherwise, please don't waste the world's time on this crapola for the next three years.

But we must eat up all of obama's time in office... keep him dodging and running - out of focus... keep him so busy dodging political bullets that he has no time to do more dastardly things to my country.

This is the mentality and attitude of the far right wingnuts of the country.

They care about the country in their own way. They hate Obama and want to cause all the political harm they can to him. That means continuing to paralyze the country but now in yet another and different way.

The majority of the American people know this attitude, which is why Prez Obama got reelected. And which is why you can't drive Barack Obama from office. Your objections to the Obama presidency are political. Your objections are not based on law, or morality, on the Constitution.

I hope the House votes a contempt citation. The vote along strictly party lines will expose the Republicans and other rightwingnuts to the country and to the world as a partisan ideological gang who use politics to try to nullify the result of the 2012 election.

I expect IF a contempt citations is sought against Lerner it will all be on a party line vote. All the Democrats on the committee will vote against it, even though they might actually be in favor, knowing full well the Republican majority will vote for it, pass it and their respective Democratic butts will be covered in the next election.

The same situation will apply when a full House vote is called. The Republican majority will vote for contempt and the Democratic Representatives will hide under their desks again, just like they did on the Holder contempt citation.

What is needed is for the House Oversight Committee to give Lerner total immunity from prosecution and remove the privilege offered by the 5th Amendment.

Snarky66 and Krauthammer got that one right.

chuckd I agree with you here. Hopefully a grant of immunity would open the floodgates of information.

And I stand by my statement quoted by others above. obama is a notorious usurper of the U.S. Constitution giving the IRS free rein to harass organizations to suppress the Conservative vote. Not much justice can be done to people in obama's Administration as long as the issue of guilt has to go to obama's desk for sign off. Therefore IMO the best thing a patriot can do to help preserve his country is box obama into a corner to ties his hands as much as possible. What? Do we want more obama legislation like obamacare to be ENFORCED by the likes of the IRS? I don't think so. Only the far left (who have fallen off the cliff towards socialism and communism) want more of obama.

Edited June 1, 2013 by JDGRUEN

[JDGRUEN]

OBAMA IRS SCANDAL WIDENS – Conservative Activists and Businesses Targeted, Too …

Update: 90 IRS Employees Involved... Posted by Jim Hoft on Friday, May 31, 2013, 1:48 PM

The Obama IRS Scandal widens:

** Nearly 500 conservative groups targeted

** At least 5 pro-Israel groups targeted

** Constitutional groups targeted

** Groups that criticized Obama administration were targeted

** At least two pro-life groups targeted

** A Texas voting-rights group was targeted

** Conservative activists and businesses were targete

Full Article:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/breaking-obama-irs-scandal-widens-conservative-activists-and-businesses-targeted-too/

[Publicus]

This balanced and reasonable IRS treatment of tax exempt groups shows the IRS believes that what's good for the goose is good for the gander too. The piece below blows rightwingnut claims out of the water. It also proves the IRS was doing to everyone as the laws require.

This is the most unreported story in all of this political circus. It sets the record straight for all to see.

Liberal Groups Probed With Similar Letters From IRS That Triggered Tea Party Fury

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/16/irs-targeted-liberal-groups-with-same-letter-sent-to-tea-party-groups/#ixzz2UzBrezDN

Now we can see the IRS was doing the job required of it by the laws pertaining to tax exempt groups both already in existence and which were applying in massive record numbers after the Citizens' United ruling by the Supreme Court majority that money equals free speech.

[snarky66]

IRS Crosses Green Line

Many of the charities openly clashed with the Obama administrations policy of opposing Israeli settlement construction over the so-called Green Line, which marks the pre-1967 boundary between Israel and the West Bank and West and East Jerusalem.

And thus the obama regime is using the IRS to conduct foreign policy. Despicable.

[JDGRUEN]

The ObamaCare Meltdown Begins (IRS Stealing Patient Records)

IMO - Busy little beavers the IRS - shutting down the Conservative vote - and now prepping to harass individual Americans relative to health care...

While Americans remain focused on the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups applying for tax exempt status, two recently filed lawsuits reveal a far deeper level of alleged corruption at the agency. On May 2, a group of small businesses challenged the IRS’s attempt to illegally implement health insurance subsidies contained in the Affordable Healthcare Act, aka ObamaCare.On May 14, it was revealed that a class action suit has been filed by a California-based HMO, accusing the IRS of stealing 60 million medical records belonging to 10 million Americans.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/55565

Edited June 1, 2013 by JDGRUEN

[Scott]

Stay on topic and keep the discussion civil.

[Ulysses G.]

This balanced and reasonable IRS treatment of tax exempt groups shows the IRS believes that what's good for the goose is good for the gander too.

You think that 3 liberal groups out of a total of 471 groups that received additional scrutiny is "balanced"? The IRS was targeting conservatives. They have admitted it. It is a fact.

Edited June 2, 2013 by Ulysses G.

[JDGRUEN]

Storm clouds ahead for Barack Obama: (The IRS scandal and other scandals take their toll...)

Less than half of Americans now view their president as ‘honest and trustworthy':

Excerpt:

The latest Quinnipiac University poll, published today, will send shivers through the White House, even though Washington is experiencing its first heat wave of the year. The Quinnipiac survey (hat tip: Jim Geraghty at The Campaign Spot) is the first major survey to show that the wave of recent scandals hitting the Obama administration are beginning to damage President Obama’s own standing with the American people. According to Quinnipiac, Barack Obama’s job approval rating now stands at just 45 percent, with

less than half of voters viewing the president as “honest and trustworthy.”

President Barack Obama gets a negative 45 – 49 percent job approval rating, compared to 48 – 45 percent positive in a May 1 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University, conducted before the IRS allegations surfaced.

Full link post:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100219449/storm-clouds-ahead-for-barack-obama-less-than-half-of-americans-now-view-their-president-as-honest-and-trustworthy/

Edited June 2, 2013 by JDGRUEN

[chuckd]

I was wrong!

Early on in this thread I defended Commissioner Shulman as being something of an innocent bystander in this abuse of power. My thinking being that since he was a Bush appointee for a designated period that overlapped Obama's administration, he was not replaced by the Chicago machine with a man of their own choosing. Therefore he would not have been in on any grand plot to subvert the process as it has been proven and admitted to by the IRS,

Sadly it appears I was wrong. It would seem Mr. Shulman might have been up to his eyeballs in the abuses carried out by his department. The following news came out Friday.

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FORMER IRS CHIEF'S WIFE WORKS FOR LEFTIST CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM GROUP

by BREITBART NEWS 31 May 2013

On Friday, reports broke that Former IRS chief Doug Shulman’s wife works with a liberal lobbying group, Public Campaign, where she is the senior program advisor. Public Campaign is an “organization dedicated to sweeping campaign reform that aims to dramatically reduce the role of big special interest money in American politics.”

The goal of Public Campaign is to target political groups like the conservative non-profits at issue in the IRS scandal. The Campaign says it “is laying the foundation for reform by working with a broad range of organizations, including local community groups, around the country that are fighting for change and national organizations whose members are not fairly represented under the current campaign finance system.”

CEO of Public Campaign Nick Nyhart has offered words of support for the IRS’ targeting: “There are legitimate questions to be asked about political groups that are hiding behind a 501©4 status. It’s unfortunate a few bad apples at the IRS will make it harder for those questions to be asked without claims of bias.”

Public Campaign gets its cash from labor unions like AFL-CIO, AFSCME, SEIU, and Move On.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/31/former-IRS-chief-Public-Campiagn

[Ulysses G.]

His wife probably nagged him into doing her bidding.

[Publicus]

The good news for the good guys just keeps on coming. The latest Gallup poll's rolling three-day average, into June 1st, shows Prez Obama's approval rating continues to outpace his disapproval rating. Obama is +4% as of Saturday morning.

Gallup: Obama Approval Rating Holds Positive

Each result is based on a three-day rolling average

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

As I'd stated previously, Quinnipiac College has a small but reputable polling organization. However, as with Rasmussen, the Quinnipiac survey was conducted over a three day period to show one complete result. While the Quinnipiac College survey is recent, having been announced Thursday morning, May 30th, it has few resources to compete with Gallup and other professional organizations. Gallup in particular has been in this business three score of years and stands per se as a polling organization. I respect Quinnipiac College's polling organization, but it is a department at the college so it inherently has small resources contrasted to Gallup and many other professional scientific public opinion survey research organizations.

Further, Gallup is just about the only polling organization that does rolling daily averages continuously, rather than only during the final three months of an election year. That the American people continue to stand by Prez Obama after the past few weeks of Republican party Obama bashing is significant. There will be ups and downs for each side in this political circus being conducted by the Republicans in Washington, but it remains nearly impossible for the radical and extremist Washington Republicans to separate the majority of American people - who are moderate, middle of the road people - from Prez Obama.

[metisdead]

Some more off topic posts have been removed.

[Ulysses G.]

Not so fast:

Poll: Scandals hit Obama approval rating

The results of a new poll indicate that scandals have dragged down US President Barack Obama’s approval rating compared to less than a month ago.

The poll also showed that 49 percent of those surveyed are skeptical of Obama’s honesty, down from 58 percent compared to September 1, 2011, the last time the Quinnipiac University asked the question.
One of the issues taking its toll on Obama’s approval rating is his administration’s handling of a deadly attack on the US mission in the Libyan city of Benghazi on September 11 with new details surfacing about the incident in which four Americans, including the US ambassador to the African country, were killed.
The disclosure in mid-May that the Justice Department had from the spring of 2012 surreptitiously obtained phone records of AP journalists has also put the White House on the defensive.
Obama’s administration has also faced sever broadside since the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), which collects US taxes, admitted on May 10 that it had inappropriately targeted conservative Tea Party nonprofit groups for extra scrutiny. http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/30/306317/poll-scandals-hit-obama-approval-rating/

Edited June 2, 2013 by Ulysses G.

[JDGRUEN]

More political abuse by the IRS ...

In February 2010, the same month the tea-party targeting started, according to a recent inspector general's report, Freedom's Watch was subjected to an IRS audit that focused largely on its political activities, an uncommon but not unprecedented action, election lawyers say. The probe broadened into other areas, including executive compensation.

About a year later, as many as five donors to Freedom's Watch were subjected to IRS audits of their contributions that sought to
impose gift taxes on their donations to the group, according to lawyers and former officials of Freedom's Watch.

Tax experts say that effort was highly unusual. The IRS generally hadn't sought to impose the gift tax on donations to tax-exempt groups such as Freedom's Watch in at least 20 years, perhaps longer, following an unfavorable court ruling and changes in the law by Congress, according to lawyers and IRS documents.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/carolplattliebau/2013/06/01/irs-sought-to-impose-gift-tax-on-freedom-watch-donors-n1611011

[Credo]

So basically everybody and every organization who got a letter from the IRS, or got investigated, or was asked to supply more information will not think they were targeted. They weren't. The IRS employees aren't that ambitious. Sorry, they are just as lazy as other Civil Servants.

[Ulysses G.]

The problem is that a lot of them WERE targeted and they were mostly considered enemies of the White House.

[JDGRUEN]

IRS Employee: D.C. Told Us To Target Tea Party

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) revealed new testimony from IRS employees on CNN's State of The Union on Sunday. According to transcribed excerpts released by the Committee,a Cincinnati IRS employee made it clear they were told by Washington,D.C. personnel to give extra scrutiny to Tea Party groups:

Q: In early 2010, was there a time when you became aware of applications that referenced Tea Party or other conservative groups?

A: In March of 2010, I was made aware.

******

Q: Okay. Now, was there a point around this time period when

[your supervisor] asked you to do a search for similar applications?

A: Yes.

Q: To the best of your recollection, when was this request made?

A: Sometime in early March of 2010.

******

Q: Did [your supervisor] give you any indication of the need for the search, any more context?

A: He told me that Washington, D.C., wanted some cases.

******

Q: So as of April 2010, these 40 cases were held at that moment in your group; is that right?

A: Some were.

Q: How many were held there?

A: Less than 40. Some went to Washington, D.C.

Q: Okay. How many went to Washington, D.C.?

A: I sent seven.

******

Q: So you prepared seven hard copy versions of the applications to go to Washington, D.C.?

A: Correct.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/02/IRS-Employee-Washington-D-C-Told-Us-To-Target-Tea-Party-Oragnizations

Edited June 2, 2013 by JDGRUEN

[Publicus]

Issa Says Washington Directed IRS Targeting Out of CincinnatiBy Arlette Saenz | ABC News – 58 mins ago

WASHINGTON - The IRS agents in Cincinnati who were involved in the targeting of conservative groups were "being directly ordered from Washington," Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said today, and he accused the White House of lying about the involvement of IRS headquarter officials in the scandal, calling White House Press Secretary Jay Carney a "paid liar."

"The administration is still - their paid liar, their spokesperson, picture behind - he's still making up things about what happens and

calling this local rogue," Issa said on CNN's "State of the Union." "The reason that Lois Lerner tried to take the Fifth [Amendment when called to testify before Congress] is not because there's a rogue in Cincinnati, it's because this is a problem that was coordinated in all likelihood right out of Washington headquarters And we're getting to proving it.

"The administration is still trying to say there's a few rogue agents in Cincinnati, when in fact the indication is they were directly being

ordered from Washington," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/issa-says-washington-directed-irs-targeting-cincinnati-171609146--abc-news-politics.html

That's another whopper to add on to the extremist stuff being put out by Cong Darrell Issa and the obsessed Republicans in Washington. Issa's claim was such a stretch and a reach, he had to backtrack under simple and basic factual checking by CNN host Candy Crowley.

The bottom line from today's unproven allegations by Issa is this: "After hearing Crowley read the transcript of an interview, Issa himself admitted that he has yet to uncover evidence that demonstrates IRS coordination with Washington." The story is linked below.

CNN Host Corners Darrell Issa Over Claim That Obama Conspired To Target Tea Party

http://thinkprogress.org/tag/cnn/

The Inspector General's report specifically concluded that “All of these officials stated that the criteria were not influenced by any individual or organization outside the IRS.”

Many of us are trying to hold together the center of U.S. politics while the unreconstructed radical Republicans in Washington prefer to be intransigent and hell bent on immobilizing the country indefinitely while they conduct their political circus.

Why don't we have a Special Counsel appointed to investigate the matter in a judicious manner in accord with the law and the rule of law? Why are the Republicans in Washington and throughout the country not demanding a Special Counsel be appointed? Because a Special Counsel would take the matter out of the hot political hands of the Republicans in the House who are trying, for political reasons, to paralyze the country for the next three years. A Special Counsel would proceed judiciously, not politically. The Republicans in Washington would have to fold up their circus tents and move on to the nation's real and serious business.

Don't be surprised if the Attorney General, Eric Holder, who is the person in the government who appoints a Special Counsel, goes ahead to put one on the case. Then the Republicans in the House would have to shut up for a while so a Special Counsel could do his/her legal work in accord with the Special Counsel statutes, i.e., under the supervision of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

Edited June 2, 2013 by Publicus

[Publicus]

The Obama admistration is involved in three different scandals and there is bipartisan support to do something about them. Please cut out the dishonest spin in practicaly every single post.

Across partisan lines, Americans agree that a special prosecutor should investigate charges that the IRS targeted conservative groups, a new Quinnipiac poll finds.

Seventy-six percent of voters want a special prosecutor, including 63 percent of Democrats, 88 percent of Republicans and 78 percent of independent voters.

Across partisan lines, Americans agree that a special prosecutor should investigate charges that the IRS targeted conservative groups, a new Quinnipiac poll finds.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/30/poll-americans-want-special-prosecutor-for-irs-scandal/

You seem to be the only guy in the world who thinks and believes there should be a special counsel.

What, you didn't get the memo from Breitbart News, from waaaay over there on the faaaar right, that the intransigent extremists who are the Republican party don't want to let the inquisition get out of their hands into a judicial proceeding where a special counsel and the rule of law - not the political law of the jungle - would become dominant and determinant?

A poster presented an article by Breitbart News that called a campaign financing reform group a "leftist" group. Now we've come to the point where the extreme right see any organization or effort to limit or eradicate humongous special interest bucks from U.S. elections as, what yet another posters said is a socialist, communist scheme conducted from within the United States.

Meanwhile, there are those of us who continue the fight to hold the U.S. political center intact against these extremist onslaughts.