Pm Thaksin Resigns

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" there would have been far more intelligent, safer, and constructive ways to get rid of Thaksin. They only would have taken a bit longer, but would not have carried the dire consequences we are facing now."

Could you expand on that, please.

[ColPyat]

" there would have been far more intelligent, safer, and constructive ways to get rid of Thaksin. They only would have taken a bit longer, but would not have carried the dire consequences we are facing now."

Could you expand on that, please.

Thaksin's main appeal to the masses is linked to him delivering on his promises, especially economically. That would have been rather difficult given the worsening economical situation. Rising inflation cannot be explained away forever by shifting the blame on the fuel crises.

The real facts on repayment on easy loans are not as rosy as TRT promotes. Within a rather short time we would most definately have seen a round of mass land reposessions on loan defaulters, mainly due to the changes on the Sor Por Kor 401 laws where Thaksin has enabled holders to use their land papers as collateral for partly huge loans.

TRT is a conglomerate of vested interests that often are in competition with each other. Sondhi was TRT, and represented one side of the vested interests found in TRT. So was Sanoh Tienthong. So was Chamlong, he was more or less spiritual leader of one of the right wing religious fractions.

Those vested interests are/were kept together by Thaksin's abilitiy to play each side out against the other, and even more so, by the fractions profiting from Thaksin as their leader. This highly volatile game cannot be kept up forever, especially when the economical situation makes it difficult for those to continue benefitting from Thaksin.

Both these elements combined make Thaksin's chair rather wobbly anyhow.

The post tsunami craze is over, and Thaksin has less suport anyhow than he had during last year's elections that were just a month after the desaster. If the economical situation would have worsened, Thaksin would have had to deal with increasing discontent under his own party, and increasing numbers of MP's and fractions leaving the sinking ship. This might have even enabled the opposition to call in a censor motion. New elections might have had to be called in, and then the most definate discontent of the population that had to suffer increasingly from the economical difficulties would have cost Thaksin dearly.

The Democrats could have bided their time, and from a moral highground the could have at least have a stronger position in the opposition, if not yet been able to form a new government.

It would have been only a question of a year, or two at most. This could have been a major advancement for Thailand's democracy.

Right now, the situation is very different. Thaksin has now, thanks to the demonstrations and the election boycott, the opportunity to blame the worsening economical condition solely on the PAD and the opposition parties. This is a presents a perfect opening for him to get back in when the situation is dire, selling himself as the blameless saviour he definately is not. But modern spindoctor politics is all about how you can sell yourself, not what you are.

The Democrats have lost their moral highground by boycotting the elections, throwing their lot in with the PAD, and going into a gamble that ended up in a stalemate. They will for the foreseeable future not be able to get any sympathy, or even votes, in the North and Northeast. Most likely they will not even be able to campaign there due to the violence directed against them. This means that the only political party in Thailand that somehow resembles a real political party will not be able to win a majority, will only be, if given a chance, ruling with a unstable minority having to form coalitions with the usual selfserving fronts posing as political parties.

I would have preferred that Thai society as a whole would have been able to see Thaksin as he really is, in order to deal with him once and forever in order to advance the democratic process. This would have happened as soon as he would not have anymore been able to deliver. Unfortunately now, thanks to the illtimed and premature demonstrations, this will not happen anymore.

Very sad.

[lukamar]

The TRT now has some MPs (even if elected a bit suspiciously) in the South. If parliament is allowed to convene by the CC you will find that the TRT, through the government, pours vast amounts or farm-aid, support and other perks into those new MP's ridings very fast. This would be very bad news for the Democrats. People in neighboring ridings would see this and be more willing to vote for the TRT the next time, it's only natural to want what your neighbor has, especially if that is jobs, infrastructure or just perceived better living conditions.

[sriracha john]

HOUSE ELECTION

South to face 3rd round of voting

The Election Commission last night resolved to hold a third round of voting in 13 southern constituencies where candidates from the ruling Thai Rak Thai Party failed to get the minimum 20 per cent of votes required to ensure their election, EC secretary-general Ekkachai Warun-prapha said.

In a unanimous decision, the four election commissioners scheduled the polling date for Saturday, with registration opening for candidates tomorrow, according to Ekkachai.

He said the EC would not hold another election even if Saturday's voting failed to fill all 500 seats in the House of Representatives. On Sunday the agency will endorse those winning candidates who have not violated the election law, and prepare the list of MPs-elect. On Monday, the list will be submitted to the House.

"This should meet the 30-day deadline set by the law. There's no penalty for failure to meet the

deadline but we consider it a rule we need to follow," Ekkachai said.

The ruling party won fewer than half of the 40 House seats up for grabs in the second round of voting on Sunday and the polls were marred by acts of civil disobedience.

Seventeen Thai Rak Thai candidates emerged victorious, five of them standing unopposed in southern provinces, the Election Commission said yesterday.

The party had 19 candidates standing unopposed, most in the South, and 13 of them failed to get the minimum 20 per cent of votes required.

Candidates missed the minimum mandate in three Surat Thani constituencies, two in Pattani and one each in Phatthalung, Nakhon Si Thammarat, Songkhla, Trang, Chumphon, Phuket and Phang Nga.

The South is a stronghold of the Democrat Party, which boycotted the general elections along with the two other opposition parties.

In one Nakhon Si Thammarat constituency, voting was cancelled as election officials failed to show up for work at five polling stations. The election has been rescheduled for today.

Thai Rak Thai lost to minor parties in nine constituencies in Krabi, Trang, Narathiwat, Phatthalung, Phetchaburi and Prachuap Khiri Khan.

The People Power Party won in Krabi's constituencies 1 and 3 and Trang's constituency 2. The Khonkhoplodnee Party won in Phetchaburi's constituency 1, Phatthalung's constituency 3 and Narathiwat's constituency 1.

The Prachakorn Thai Party emerged victorious in Prachuap Khiri Khan's constituency 1 and Trang's constituency 4. A Palang Dharma candidate won in Krabi's constituency 2.

Sunday's by-election was held in 17 provinces, 13 of them in the South.

Thai Rak Thai deputy leader Pongthep Thepkanchana yesterday moved to prevent party members from seeking a Constitution Court ruling on whether the House can convene with some of the seats unoccupied.

Pongthep, who chairs the party's legal team, said the party would not ask caretaker Senate Speaker Suchon Chaleekrua to seek the Constitution Court ruling over whether the House could convene with fewer than 500 MPs.

Pongthep said: "The election is not over. There must be another round of elections. We have to wait and see what the EC will do with 14 constituencies, when the election will be held and how many MPs will be endorsed. We will wait as long as we can. If things clear up before the end of the month then we might decide to do something,'' he said.

Suchon yesterday detached himself from the political impasse, saying the Senate would not consult the Constitution Court until the EC declared the election was over.

"The House does not have a duty to provide 500 MPs. The law stipulates that the EC has to complete the election in 30 days. It is not yet time to seek the court ruling,'' he said.

Kanit Nanakhon, dean of Dhurakij Pundit University's law faculty, dismissed as useless the attempt to consult the Constitution Court on whether to reconvene the House, saying any ruling was irrelevant.

"The Constitution Court is not the answer because the problem originated from an election, which was called without justification,'' he said.

He said he saw no solution and could not look to another state that had experienced similar trouble.

"No one can tell what the solution is. Lawyers and political scientists are lost. The election should not have happened. If [the leader] had a democratic mind, he would not have sought power and organised this type of election. That is why we are at a dead end,'' he said.

Surat Horachaikul, a Chulalongkorn University political scientist, said the government should not reconvene the House.

"If it does they will make a House of comedians. The government would be a joke,'' he said.

- TN

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I am not going to discuss on an open internet board the real, perceived and constitutional position of the King for obvious reasons. Sad that you ignore some of the very racist remarks of 'Royal Power', and their inherent danger on Thai society.

You can't level public accusations against the book if you can't publicly support them. Besides it makes you look as if you challenging not the book but the Royal power itself, and so can't state it openly.

Regarding the PAD rally in Udon, well, it was to be expected. The Bangkok mob ousted their chosen and elected Prime Minister via Demonstrations, they fight back. You will see far more of that sort of thing in the future. Very worrying.....

.....We are getting a completely nihilistic, utterly violent underclass in Thailand that is beyond political interference. Any sort of further disturbance of social peace is going to add to the already existing severe social problems. I am aware that Thaksin has done his part of adding to these problems with his populist authoritarian policies.

But the PAD demonstrations might very well bring the volcano to eruption.

In effect you are talking about legitimcay of a mob rule - government can organise hundreds, perhaps thousands of thugs, in a matter of hours, and direct them against its political opponents, and that PAD and Democrats should stop its activities not to provoke these violent mobs.

And you want THIS government to stay in power until it collapses itself...

The PAD's demonstrations may have been largely peaceful, nevertheless they have acted against the majority vote. But I guess it is useless to try to explain you what majority means in a democracy as you have already stated several times that for you only what you perceive as the educated majority has a saying.

Oh, so you've been fooled by these snap elections as well? You also believe that people voting for their local politicians (ballot 1) and merits of TRT policies (ballot 2) somehow deliver the verdict on Thaksin's personal breach of article 209 of Constitution that deals with conflicts of interests?

What the majority has said has no bearing on Thaksin's hand in orchestrating Shin sale, it wasn't in the ballots.

A bit of surprising to see you playing along Thaksin's tune. Why didn't you say so from the start?

Illegal logging and what happened in Thailand regarding Cambodia 30 years ago is very relevant if you want to have a look how embedded corruption and disregard of human rights are in Thailand.

Generals who engaged in that logging have long retired, politicians they promoted have long been discredited, and the trade moved to Burma some twenty years ago. What's relevant, or even new about it? Nothing, and you don't even have a different opinion about it, you've just been trolling while the news were slow.

Interestingly, yesterday fire trucks and fireboats purchase was in the news again. Estimated inflated value is 2 billion baht. That's a whole life of illegal logging without holidays, I think. Why don't you focus on present day policy corruption (even that is off topic here, btw)? Why dig some old Khmer Rouge graves?

Thaksin's main appeal to the masses is linked to him delivering on his promises, especially economically. That would have been rather difficult given the worsening economical situation.

So you prefer waiting for the total collapse of the Thai economy? You prefer PAD leaders sitting back and saying - to hel_l with it, let them learn the hard way.

I don't see it working, in any country. Politicaly active citizens will never do that.

While our Thaksin saga developed, Korean PM resigned without much fuss, and separately Hyunday donated 1 billion dollars as a self-imposed fine for corruption. Did they destroy Korean democracy in the process? If Thaksin was a man of the same calibre, we wouldn't be where we are now.

And the usual:

Chamlong ... was more or less spiritual leader of one of the right wing religious fractions

Like who? Thaksin and Sudarat? They are the ones who used to work with him during Phalang Dharma days.

It's nonsense, Chamlong wasn't a leader of anything in TRT, you are pursuing your own personal agenda against Chamlong.

[sriracha john]

I am not going to discuss on an open internet board the real, perceived and constitutional position of the King for obvious reasons. Sad that you ignore some of the very racist remarks of 'Royal Power', and their inherent danger on Thai society.

You can't level public accusations against the book if you can't publicly support them. Besides it makes you look as if you challenging not the book but the Royal power itself, and so can't state it openly.

Regarding the PAD rally in Udon, well, it was to be expected. The Bangkok mob ousted their chosen and elected Prime Minister via Demonstrations, they fight back. You will see far more of that sort of thing in the future. Very worrying.....

.....We are getting a completely nihilistic, utterly violent underclass in Thailand that is beyond political interference. Any sort of further disturbance of social peace is going to add to the already existing severe social problems. I am aware that Thaksin has done his part of adding to these problems with his populist authoritarian policies.

But the PAD demonstrations might very well bring the volcano to eruption.

In effect you are talking about legitimcay of a mob rule - government can organise hundreds, perhaps thousands of thugs, in a matter of hours, and direct them against its political opponents, and that PAD and Democrats should stop its activities not to provoke these violent mobs.

And you want THIS government to stay in power until it collapses itself...

The PAD's demonstrations may have been largely peaceful, nevertheless they have acted against the majority vote. But I guess it is useless to try to explain you what majority means in a democracy as you have already stated several times that for you only what you perceive as the educated majority has a saying.

Oh, so you've been fooled by these snap elections as well? You also believe that people voting for their local politicians (ballot 1) and merits of TRT policies (ballot 2) somehow deliver the verdict on Thaksin's personal breach of article 209 of Constitution that deals with conflicts of interests?

What the majority has said has no bearing on Thaksin's hand in orchestrating Shin sale, it wasn't in the ballots.

A bit of surprising to see you playing along Thaksin's tune. Why didn't you say so from the start?

Illegal logging and what happened in Thailand regarding Cambodia 30 years ago is very relevant if you want to have a look how embedded corruption and disregard of human rights are in Thailand.

Generals who engaged in that logging have long retired, politicians they promoted have long been discredited, and the trade moved to Burma some twenty years ago. What's relevant, or even new about it? Nothing, and you don't even have a different opinion about it, you've just been trolling while the news were slow.

Interestingly, yesterday fire trucks and fireboats purchase was in the news again. Estimated inflated value is 2 billion baht. That's a whole life of illegal logging without holidays, I think. Why don't you focus on present day policy corruption (even that is off topic here, btw)? Why dig some old Khmer Rouge graves?

Thaksin's main appeal to the masses is linked to him delivering on his promises, especially economically. That would have been rather difficult given the worsening economical situation.

So you prefer waiting for the total collapse of the Thai economy? You prefer PAD leaders sitting back and saying - to hel_l with it, let them learn the hard way.

I don't see it working, in any country. Politicaly active citizens will never do that.

While our Thaksin saga developed, Korean PM resigned without much fuss, and separately Hyunday donated 1 billion dollars as a self-imposed fine for corruption. Did they destroy Korean democracy in the process? If Thaksin was a man of the same calibre, we wouldn't be where we are now.

And the usual:

Chamlong ... was more or less spiritual leader of one of the right wing religious fractions

Like who? Thaksin and Sudarat? They are the ones who used to work with him during Phalang Dharma days.

It's nonsense, Chamlong wasn't a leader of anything in TRT, you are pursuing your own personal agenda against Chamlong.

Very Well done, Plus...

Categorically and succintly pointed out all the pecularities of colpyat's posts. I admire your patience and efforts to directly address the shortcomings. I've run out of the inclination and motivation to respond the trollish style, but thank you for doing so.

Edited April 25, 2006 by sriracha john

[jdinasia]

The TRT now has some MPs (even if elected a bit suspiciously) in the South. If parliament is allowed to convene by the CC you will find that the TRT, through the government, pours vast amounts or farm-aid, support and other perks into those new MP's ridings very fast. This would be very bad news for the Democrats. People in neighboring ridings would see this and be more willing to vote for the TRT the next time, it's only natural to want what your neighbor has, especially if that is jobs, infrastructure or just perceived better living conditions.

Now HERE is a funny post ......

let me paraphrase ..... "now that TRT has people in the south .... even though they are illegitimate ... the people in the south will forget Tak Bai ... they will forget Martial Law ... they'll forget everything! They'll just suck at the public tit and be happy!"

[jdinasia]

yeppers ... I love the silly contention that the book will lead to facism! wheeeeeeeeeee there's a stretch from someone that says he just posts this to balance people that approve of PAD's actions

What do you want with you pointless snides?

You have sufficiently discredited yourself already with your comments on how you love and admire Chuvit the mafia godfather who was wellknown to have empoyed seriously underaged girls from Burma and Yunnan in his Massage Parlours (yes, i know he was not convicted for the usual reasons), who has hired a few hundred naklaeng to evict illegaly businesses who had legal contracts on the plot of land that now houses the latest park on Sukkhumvit.

If Chuvit represents "democracy", "transparency" and the upkeep of "human rights" in your view, then we know already where you come from.

Gotta love this post .... everyone else got the humor in my Chuwit post but Captain Outrageous .... or did he get it and instead of addressing the silly contention that the book would lead to facism .... so he does a quick trollish aside to make it about Chuwit?

Edited April 25, 2006 by jdinasia

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That's a long shot. The governement is nearly bankrupt and there isn't sufficient funds to poor into anything. Besides handouts haven't worked so far in the South, no reason to believe that now they will.

But TRT are certainly capable of doing it, remember Thaksin's first post-election promise - we'll allocate more funds to those who voted for us.

It always happens to some extent, with any government, but no one dared to declare so publicly. Southerners aren't fools, they won't be bribed so easily.

It also hinges on precepts that TRT policies somehow work and are just misunderstood by Bangkokians, and if only Southerners would see it for themselves they'd vote TRT straight away. A bit of stretch to hope for after six years of TRT rule.

I suppose you know that local government is centrally appointed, not elected - it doesn't matter who the people vote for, they'll get the governor from the Interior ministry promoting government policies all the way. If they didn't prove anything in six years, there's little hope it will start working now.

[h90]

The TRT now has some MPs (even if elected a bit suspiciously) in the South. If parliament is allowed to convene by the CC you will find that the TRT, through the government, pours vast amounts or farm-aid, support and other perks into those new MP's ridings very fast. This would be very bad news for the Democrats. People in neighboring ridings would see this and be more willing to vote for the TRT the next time, it's only natural to want what your neighbor has, especially if that is jobs, infrastructure or just perceived better living conditions.

Now HERE is a funny post ......

let me paraphrase ..... "now that TRT has people in the south .... even though they are illegitimate ... the people in the south will forget Tak Bai ... they will forget Martial Law ... they'll forget everything! They'll just suck at the public tit and be happy!"

first for that: "(even if elected a bit suspiciously)"

the rest means, that areas which vote TRT get money and areas which vote for someone else get punished as much as possible---here someone really understood how democrazy works---

the south is not as poor as the other areas and the people are far better educated.....

Thailand can not finance 4 more years TRT, where does the money come from? Where TRT can take the money???? If they continue than there will be the next 1997 crises

[ColPyat]

You can't level public accusations against the book if you can't publicly support them. Besides it makes you look as if you challenging not the book but the Royal power itself, and so can't state it openly.

This accusation is exactly the reason why i refuse to discuss Pramuan's book "Royal Power" on an open internet board, especially because you seem not to be able to differentiate between the institution of the Thailand's Royal family and a book called "Royal Power". If that accusation is a ruse to get me banned - sorry, but no comment.

In effect you are talking about legitimcay of a mob rule - government can organise hundreds, perhaps thousands of thugs, in a matter of hours, and direct them against its political opponents, and that PAD and Democrats should stop its activities not to provoke these violent mobs.

No, i don't talk about legitimizing mob rule.

I talk about a very possible future that already came true in many parts of Thailand. A future in which general security collapses and gangs rule.

And, no, "the government" does not mobilise thousands of thugs, it generally is local politicians/businessmen with vested interests presently allied with the government. "The government has very little control over the activities of those.

Oh, so you've been fooled by these snap elections as well? You also believe that people voting for their local politicians (ballot 1) and merits of TRT policies (ballot 2) somehow deliver the verdict on Thaksin's personal breach of article 209 of Constitution that deals with conflicts of interests?

What the majority has said has no bearing on Thaksin's hand in orchestrating Shin sale, it wasn't in the ballots.

A bit of surprising to see you playing along Thaksin's tune. Why didn't you say so from the start?

I don't "play along Thaksin's tune.

Why is it so difficult for you to understand that there are more sides than simply pro or anti Thaksin?

The election result does not deliver any verdict other than that Thaksin is the elected prime minister of Thailand. Everything else is a matter of the courts - and i am sure Khunying Jaruvan is doing her utmost to build a better case than the Democrats managed to do.

Anyhow, it is not up to the PAD and their mob to deliver any verdict whatsoever either.

Generals who engaged in that logging have long retired, politicians they promoted have long been discredited, and the trade moved to Burma some twenty years ago. What's relevant, or even new about it? Nothing, and you don't even have a different opinion about it, you've just been trolling while the news were slow.

Interestingly, yesterday fire trucks and fireboats purchase was in the news again. Estimated inflated value is 2 billion baht. That's a whole life of illegal logging without holidays, I think. Why don't you focus on present day policy corruption (even that is off topic here, btw)? Why dig some old Khmer Rouge graves?

You have very little idea about the vast profits in illegal logging.

You have very little idea about the practise of illegal logging if you believe that it was only 20 years ago, neither have you appearantly read any of the reports of the links i gave.

You have very little idea about illegal logging and connected human rights issues in Thailand if you believe that because the bulk of illegal logging moved to Burma it has no bearing on Thailand.

Please do some proper research on it before making those statements.

And if you really believe that illegal logging and Khmer Rouge involvement was only done by "long retired generals" than you have less idea about Thai politics than i have thought possible.

General Chavalit, for example, until '95 deputy prime minister under Thaksin, still advisor of the government, was one of the senior figures of Thailand's Khmer Rouge involvement. There are still many out there in active service, in politics in all parties, and in business, who have played main roles in those days. Actually, it is more difficult to find anyone who has not some dark spots in his CV than one who is clean.

And, please, leave the term "trolling" out of your post. That needlessly aggrevates the discussion.

So you prefer waiting for the total collapse of the Thai economy? You prefer PAD leaders sitting back and saying - to hel_l with it, let them learn the hard way.

Thai economy is collapsing anyhow, with or without Thaksin. After the demonstrations, and the present stalemate Thai economy will collapse only much faster, and with much higher certainty, partly also because investors will stay away due to the political instability.

Difference is, that now Thaksin has the perfect excuse to solely blame it on the demonstrations, whitewash his own mistakes, and therefore has a more than fair chance to come back with a vehemence. Or someone with a similar agenda might use this as a come-back.

But you don't see that, don't you. You are just so fixed on Thaksin as the sole evil of Thailand.

Like who? Thaksin and Sudarat? They are the ones who used to work with him during Phalang Dharma days.

It's nonsense, Chamlong wasn't a leader of anything in TRT, you are pursuing your own personal agenda against Chamlong.

You really don't seem to know the basics of Thai politics, and even worse, about Thai society, especially regarding the importance of the patron/client relationship on ALL levels of society.

[ColPyat]

I hope you guys blindly supporting the PAD have carefully listened to H.M. the King on TV, who finished adressing the new courts.

If you understood what he said, you may not like it.

Edited April 25, 2006 by ColPyat

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That's the reason I just logged on, actually.

King says Article 7 not mention royally-appointed PM

His Majesty the King Tuesday said Article 7 of the Constitution did not empower him to make any decision.

In his speech to newly-appointed Administrative Court judges, His Majesty said Article 7 does not empower the King to make a unilateral decision to appoint a prime minister. If the King made a decision, he would overstep his duty and it would be undemocratic.

"Don't abandon democracy," His Majesty said.

His speech was broadcast on TV pool Tuesday night.

[cmcarrent]

I hope you guys blindly supporting the PAD have carefully listened to H.M. the King on TV, who finished adressing the new courts.

If you understood what he said, you may not like it.

I fully understood H.M. The King's speech.

If that's what u feel or think after hearing H.M. The King's speech, you must have again been reading inbetween the lines...taking in only what u want to hear or see.

It was a very fair speech and not taking sides at all.

I would strongly advice u to stop misleading others and stop putting words in H.M. The King's mouth.

Bugger Off.

[h90]

I hope you guys blindly supporting the PAD have carefully listened to H.M. the King on TV, who finished adressing the new courts.

If you understood what he said, you may not like it.

I fully understood H.M. The King's speech.

If that's what u feel or think after hearing H.M. The King's speech, you must have again been reading inbetween the lines...taking in only what u want to hear or see.

It was a very fair speech and not taking sides at all.

I would strongly advice u to stop misleading others and stop putting words in H.M. The King's mouth.

Bugger Off.

do you know any full translation? Where I can find one?

[cmcarrent]

I hope you guys blindly supporting the PAD have carefully listened to H.M. the King on TV, who finished adressing the new courts.

If you understood what he said, you may not like it.

I fully understood H.M. The King's speech.

If that's what u feel or think after hearing H.M. The King's speech, you must have again been reading inbetween the lines...taking in only what u want to hear or see.

It was a very fair speech and not taking sides at all.

I would strongly advice u to stop misleading others and stop putting words in H.M. The King's mouth.

Bugger Off.

do you know any full translation? Where I can find one?

Sorry h90,

My English is not good enough to do the translation and I'm afraid I might mis-interpret the actual meaning behind H.M. The King's speech. I'm sure there will be an English version somewhere on the internet soon.

Basically, H.M. The King's speech was mainly focus on the failure of recent Elections, and the Election Committee itself; and to find a way to solve the problem of the parliment not able to have a full seat. His starting speech starts with "An election with only one party running isn't democracy".

Pardon me if there's any mistake in my English.

[h90]

I hope you guys blindly supporting the PAD have carefully listened to H.M. the King on TV, who finished adressing the new courts.

If you understood what he said, you may not like it.

I fully understood H.M. The King's speech.

If that's what u feel or think after hearing H.M. The King's speech, you must have again been reading inbetween the lines...taking in only what u want to hear or see.

It was a very fair speech and not taking sides at all.

I would strongly advice u to stop misleading others and stop putting words in H.M. The King's mouth.

Bugger Off.

do you know any full translation? Where I can find one?

Sorry h90,

My English is not good enough to do the translation and I'm afraid I might mis-interpret the actual meaning behind H.M. The King's speech. I'm sure there will be an English version somewhere on the internet soon.

Basically, H.M. The King's speech was mainly focus on the failure of recent Elections, and the Election Committee itself; and to find a way to solve the problem of the parliment not able to have a full seat. His starting speech starts with "An election with only one party running isn't democracy".

Pardon me if there's any mistake in my English.

thanks! Usually after H.M. the king speaks on something important all groups claim that it was in their favor and read something between the lines which was never spoken.

I'll wait for the translation, even hard for my english

[cmcarrent]

I hope you guys blindly supporting the PAD have carefully listened to H.M. the King on TV, who finished adressing the new courts.

If you understood what he said, you may not like it.

I fully understood H.M. The King's speech.

If that's what u feel or think after hearing H.M. The King's speech, you must have again been reading inbetween the lines...taking in only what u want to hear or see.

It was a very fair speech and not taking sides at all.

I would strongly advice u to stop misleading others and stop putting words in H.M. The King's mouth.

Bugger Off.

do you know any full translation? Where I can find one?

Sorry h90,

My English is not good enough to do the translation and I'm afraid I might mis-interpret the actual meaning behind H.M. The King's speech. I'm sure there will be an English version somewhere on the internet soon.

Basically, H.M. The King's speech was mainly focus on the failure of recent Elections, and the Election Committee itself; and to find a way to solve the problem of the parliment not able to have a full seat. His starting speech starts with "An election with only one party running isn't democracy".

Pardon me if there's any mistake in my English.

thanks! Usually after H.M. the king speaks on something important all groups claim that it was in their favor and read something between the lines which was never spoken.

I'll wait for the translation, even hard for my english

[Wolfie]

Sorry guys, but this topic has gone off track and is now also discussing a subject which is against the administrators wishes. I'm going to have to close this...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?act=boardrules