1 dead, four people shot at Ramkhamhaeng University after clashes

[cmiuc]

I am just glad I don't live in bangkok, can you imagine having to get around that crazy place? The traffic must be a nightmare.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Also the gov have not come out and advised that they no longer support the bill or will not bring it or any similar bill back

They just remained silent and advised that they will allow the senate to do as it it will.

Also if they did not bring the bill up, then no protestors in the streets, as that was what brought the protesters all out to begin with

Ok, so what else would you (or Suthep) expect the government to do right now regarding the bill?

Which by the way is a bill in parliament; it's what parliament does. Having a protest against a proposed bill is perfectly fine, even commendable in a democracy.

But what is Suthep doing currently? What does he expect the government to do? Step down because a parliamentary minority wants them to? OH wait, but then he said that even stepping down wouldn't be enough.

So.. honestly.. what? It sounds like he just wants half of the country to renounce their say in how the country is run from the sound of it.

Edited December 1, 2013 by WinnieTheKhwai

[Emptyset]

RT@RichardBarrow: 8am Jatuphon says 4 Red Shirts & 1 student killed. He doesn't want any more bloodshed & asks Red Shirts to return home - TR @pui_tuangporn

Anyone seen reports of *4* red shirts killed? I have seen reports of the student last night, a red shirt guard at 2am and another around 7am (but very little information on those 2), but no other reports.

One red shirt was shot in the head and another in the chest but haven't seen any actual confirmations of deaths. Student is definitely confirmed though.

[aussieinthailand]

"Meanwhile, the Centre for the Administration of Peace and Order (CAPO) has announced the closure of Ramkhamhaeng Road from Ramkhamhaeng to Lam Sali Intersection..."

Funny how they use 'CAPO'. It's mafia terms (from Wikipedia)...

"...capo, is a term used in the Mafia for a high-ranking made member of a crime family who heads a "crew" of soldiers and has major social status and influence in the organization. Caporegime is an Italian word, which is used to signify the head of a family in Sicily, but has now come to mean a ranking member, similar to captain or senior sergeant in a military unit. In general, the term indicates the head of a branch of an organized crime syndicate who commands a crew of soldiers and reports directly to a boss or an underboss."

How fitting.

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"CAPO" a capo is a device used on the neck of a stringed instrument (typically fretted) to shorten it's playable length thus raising the pitch. : wikipedia

[scorecard]

And another incorrect and misleading item from the AP article:

"The protesters' arch enemy Thaksin lives in self-imposed exile to avoid a jail term for a corruption conviction that he contends is politically motivated, but is widely believed to be the real power behind the ruling party."

His conviction is not for corruption it's for abuse of power which is an entirely different subject. AP always says this and always adds the tag about 'he contends is politically motivated'.

AP know the details of the charge quite well and it's been pointed out to them before that their words are incorrect and misleading but they never correct their writing.

The said charge and conviction are not politically motivated, in fact he was found guilty and was given 2 years in jail whilst his own party was the government. He had the chance of appeal but didn't appeal.

[chooka]

Praying for Peace in the Kingdom today.

To many have died already and it is time for the yellow shirts to call off their actions and show their protest at the next election.

Thanks for twisting my comments to serve your own political agenda - sick puppy

What?????????????

I merely said to many people have died and this should be called off. What possible political agenda do I have if I don't want to see anymore people die. How is that sick for wanting to see the end of violence?

You are praying for peace and I was merely agreeing with you not going against you.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

History repeats itself. The root of this evil is the same as before. Why isn't it rooted out?

People might answer that in different ways.

(And I haven't read your past posts so I genuinely don't know which you consider the root. Nor does it matter.)

Edited December 1, 2013 by WinnieTheKhwai

[slipperylobster]

Staying neutral, and hoping for the best. There is nothing to benefit, as a visitor in this country, by picking sides or making inflamatory comments. My wife has family members that are both yellow and red, and they are being very civil about the situation. It never gets angry. Thailand has a lot to lose, should it get uglier than this.

[lannarebirth]

All this because one evil man - Suthep - wants to escape a court appearance for mass murder.

Apologies in advance if you were merely trolling, but on its own, one of the more obtuse comments I've ever read here.

[canuckamuck]

Some posts removed. Bringing the Monarchy into the discussion is a fast way to get thrown out of here. Especially in situations like this. Use your heads.

Praying for Peace in the Kingdom today.

That's nice, but I'm praying for more and increased violence. Peace and apathy is not how a strong democracy is forged from more primitive forms of governance. Rather, it is through sacrifice and pain that societies move forward.

Thais need more, much more pain and sacrifice if they are to become a better society.

May you be the first to be involved

[aussieinthailand]

Yu'p just peaceful protesters huh, the thugs attacking the bus with people in it didn't look to peaceful to me.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

All this because one evil man - Suthep - wants to escape a court appearance for mass murder.

Apologies in advance if you were merely trolling, but on its own, one of the more obtuse comments I've ever read here.

Taking a step back then, what DOES he want?

And do you agree with it?

Edited December 1, 2013 by WinnieTheKhwai

[waza]

Looks like logistics have beaten the redshirts and they are going home

[Alwyn]

How is this all not just universally labeled "Suthep's fault"? He got what he wanted, and then continued to add fuel to the fire of the protesters. It is obvious that his motive is to cause mayhem/death/chaos in the country.

So, in 2010 it was all Suthep and Abhisit's fault, and now it is again all their fault. I don't think you can have it both ways.

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There would seem to be a common denominator though

[crazykopite]

All this because one evil man - Suthep - wants to escape a court appearance for mass murder. He is prepared to destroy his country to escape justice - clearly the most evil & repugnant man in post-war Thai history. Reports now coming in on news thread that the guns-for-hire yellow fascists bussed in to cause mayhem & terror have now shot & killed some pro-democracy red protesters. The Yellows are fascist terrorists, no more no less, being manipulated by this monster trying to escape justice - and Bangkok may burn because of him.

In the week that we celebrate the Kings birthday once again bangkok is under siege due to this mad man why is he not in prison for his past crimes. I for one expect to see bangkok in flames by Sunday evening a very sad day for the country of Thailand.

[waza]

All this because one evil man - Suthep - wants to escape a court appearance for mass murder.

Apologies in advance if you were merely trolling, but on its own, one of the more obtuse comments I've ever read here.

Taking a step back then, what DOES he want?

And do you agree with it?

he wants Thaksin out the picture for good, no more proxy governments no more clones no more corruption.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Looks like logistics have beaten the redshirts and they are going home

They had the good sense (this time) not to burden the city with it. That means a time limited gathering. I'm not sure you prefer them to take the other option and hit town?

Right, didn't think so. And more importantly, neither do they.

[whybother]

How is this all not just universally labeled "Suthep's fault"? He got what he wanted, and then continued to add fuel to the fire of the protesters. It is obvious that his motive is to cause mayhem/death/chaos in the country.

So, in 2010 it was all Suthep and Abhisit's fault, and now it is again all their fault. I don't think you can have it both ways.

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There would seem to be a common denominator though

Yep. Thaksin.

[mca]

I am just glad I don't live in bangkok, can you imagine having to get around that crazy place? The traffic must be a nightmare.

We don't need any attempt to overthrow the government for that mate!

[Yunla]

Peaceful rest to those who are dead, my condolences to their families, and my deepest prayers for the safety of all people here, whatever their colours, and to the police and the military too.

Please stop fighting. People are dying over issues that can easily be solved by opening sustained channels of free debate. Thailand faces problems that can be solved by discussion not concussion.

"My house was built for loving, not a theatre of war."

/etc.

[bunuel]

Sorry,but Agence France Presse is a world class news organization that generally just sticks to the facts. Can understand if some Thais find this upsetting, since news coverage and reporting in Thailand are on a par with some countries in SubSaharan Africa I know - and the inability of the opposition party to gracefully accept rhe indisputable results of a decisice democratic election are painful echoes of a few recent African elections. Agence France Presse has seen it all, and I am quite sure they see through the charade of rhe Yellow Shirt protesters as tbey brazenly try to overthrow a democratically elected government through what we in the rest of the world call a fascist putsch,Am no fan of Thaksin, but conduct by members of the parliamentary opposition has been disgraceful, andthey should hang their heads in shame for what they are doing to their country.

God help Thailand!

As tensions soared in the capital, opposition demonstrators attacked a bus carrying "Red Shirt" government supporters heading to their own rally at a sports stadium in Bangkok, throwing stones and other objects, according to an AFP photographer at the scene.

They were attacked by RU students after Jatuporn ordered his troops to burn down their uni.

Gunshots were later fired near the stadium, claiming the first life in the recent protests, according to police, although the circumstances were unclear.

"A 21-year-man was shot dead by two bullets to his left side," said Boonchuay Pochantong, an official at a nearby police station in the capital.

By unclear circumstances they mean the red shirts, on behalf of the government, shot an RU student dead.

But by midnight the situation appeared to be calm with Red Shirt leaders calling on their followers to stay in the rally stadium overnight to avoid fresh confrontation.

What were the red shirts doing outside their stadium in the first place? Attacking RU. Only mentioning their withdrawal makes RU seem like the aggressors.

With the situation deteriorating, authorities announced more than 2,700 troops would be mobilised to reinforce security in Bangkok, the first time a significant number of soldiers have been deployed to cope with the unrest.

Justifying the government's use of military force against its people is the government's job, not the media's.

"We have information that there will be efforts to escalate violence in several areas," said National Police spokesman Piya Utayo.

Yes, the Jatuporn is ordering his troops to commit murder and other violence - but if you just say it like this it makes it look like the anti-government protestors are the one's ordering violence.

[WinnieTheKhwai]

So, in 2010 it was all Suthep and Abhisit's fault, and now it is again all their fault. I don't think you can have it both ways.

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There would seem to be a common denominator though

Yep. Thaksin.

And almost half the country agrees with you. The other half does not.

Next.

Edited December 1, 2013 by WinnieTheKhwai

[mrtoad]

So Kwanchai and his red shirts couldn't decide by themselves that they needed to come to Bangkok to "protect democracy". They had to be told to do it by Thaksin.

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More evidence that Thaksin is funding and directing the Red Shirts. More blood on the hands of the criminal.

[whybother]

Looks like logistics have beaten the redshirts and they are going home

They had the good sense (this time) not to burden the city with it. That means a time limited gathering. I'm not sure you prefer them to take the other option and hit town?

Right, didn't think so. And more importantly, neither do they.

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The people that they bused in for this would be pretty annoyed that they're going straight back home after a couple of hours. I would imagine that there are some that haven't even arrived yet.

[scorecard]

If it weren't for the presence of "you know who", Thailand would be like Cambodia 35 years ago.

Are you suggesting that the Thai Rouge would be the equivalent of the Khmer Rouge?

Yes, very much so. It's an extremely dangerous situation.

Through something resembling democracy the Red side formed a government. Taking that democratic (yet imperfect) process away for something completely undefined as Suthep (and PAD before him) is proposing will really make it like Cambodia in the dark past. Suthep is actively trying to induce a coup. It really is incredibly serious.

Is Suthep really proposing what the PAD mooted earlier (and keep in mind the PAD withdrew from this stand very quickly).

IMHO the answer is NO.

IMHO Suthep is saying; dissolving the current parliament will just trigger a rerun of all the vote buying (and the election commission is toothless and wanting) and then a return of a bought government. Therefore the need to get something else into the process as a bridge to ensure the next actual election is not bought and it not packed with nepotism stuff.

Further, IMHO Suthep is not explaining this well.

[slipperylobster]

Some posts removed. Bringing the Monarchy into the discussion is a fast way to get thrown out of here. Especially in situations like this. Use your heads.

Praying for Peace in the Kingdom today.

That's nice, but I'm praying for more and increased violence. Peace and apathy is not how a strong democracy is forged from more primitive forms of governance. Rather, it is through sacrifice and pain that societies move forward.

Thais need more, much more pain and sacrifice if they are to become a better society.

Easily said for a man safely in the background.

[scorecard]

So, in 2010 it was all Suthep and Abhisit's fault, and now it is again all their fault. I don't think you can have it both ways.

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There would seem to be a common denominator though

Yep. Thaksin.

"And almost half the country agrees with you. The other half does not.". What's that based on?

Next.

"And almost half the country agrees with you. The other half does not."

What's that based on?

Edited December 1, 2013 by scorecard

[Briggsy]

The police will run away and the army will mow people down with automatic fire. It always ends the same way, over and over again.

[LomSak27]

How is this all not just universally labeled "Suthep's fault"? He got what he wanted, and then continued to add fuel to the fire of the protesters. It is obvious that his motive is to cause mayhem/death/chaos in the country.

Yes they got what they wanted. Sad Sad Day

[EricBerg]

Some posts removed. Bringing the Monarchy into the discussion is a fast way to get thrown out of here. Especially in situations like this. Use your heads.

Praying for Peace in the Kingdom today.

That's nice, but I'm praying for more and increased violence. Peace and apathy is not how a strong democracy is forged from more primitive forms of governance. Rather, it is through sacrifice and pain that societies move forward.

Thais need more, much more pain and sacrifice if they are to become a better society.

What about India with Ghandi? South Africa with Mandela. They achieved great result with a non-violence policy. There'll be a Thai eventually with empathy for the people who will bring change.