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It was ironic that last week Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Surapong Tovichakchaikul was appointed head of the Centre of Administration for Peace and Order. The hard-core Thaksin lieutenant was placed there to serve his boss in exile and protect his sister.

This part was true, beyond all doubt.

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So the FM is busy at CAPO, and the PM is doing his job as well as Defence. You have to wonder who is running the country. Oh, yeah, business as usual.

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Some one should tell them, there is no democracy, no sovereignity by or for the Thai- people.

You may call Thailand a democracy- it is not!

Call a shoe a steak- you can still not eat it!

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I thought that was an inspiring piece.

Very easy to judge things under Western values, but democracy is in its infancy in Thailand and I have hope Thai society will become fairer and more just.

Democracy in Thailand has been around for quite long enough to have matured, had not the army mounted a coup every few years.

Problem is the checks and balances and cronyism rules. IF they had some institutions checking the government by honest independent people appointed by the king or so on who would get like say 1% of the graft they discover and have to power to get documents that the government hides (like those on the rice scam) corruption would drop and it would not be beneficial for crooks to become politicians and there would be no fights about who is stealing the money at a certain time.

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Three minutes of my life I will never get back. facepalm.gif.pagespeed.ce.EuN79TyYk_.gif alt=facepalm.gif pagespeed_url_hash=4031585225 width=24 height=18>

Someone needs to explain to the writer of the OP that democracy is not some committee appointed by a megalomaniac nut job.

What a load of absolute tosh, from someone calling himself a journalist. That may be the view held in the more expensive wine bars in Silom and in the senior common rooms of some universities, but it is not the view held by the majority in Nan or Phayao, or Kalasin or Nong Bualamphu - or indeed closer to (their) home in Samut Prakan. The dispossessed and unnecessarily-poor up and down the country are reasonably happy with Thaksinomics which has served the country pretty well for a number of years and led to one of Asias more stable economies. There is nothing wrong with Thailands democracy - it is one of the more robust in Asia.

There is a massive problem with corruption. But this did not start in Thaksins era. It has been endemic in Thai society for generations. Overthrowing the elected government is not the answer.

May God bless Thailand today.

Reminds of the "nashing of teeth" but please carry on with you views by all means you have the democratic right to state your opinion. Cause everyone has one No?

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I thought that was an inspiring piece.

Very easy to judge things under Western values, but democracy is in its infancy in Thailand and I have hope Thai society will become fairer and more just.

I hear this often that democracy here is in its infancy. After 81 years I think the child has some serious learning disabilities.

Of course in Thailand someone's teen years usually last about 3 decades.

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Someone needs to explain to the writer of the OP that democracy is not some committee appointed by a megalomaniac nut job.

Well that's how Thaksin runs Pheua Thai and Cabinet / the government, isn't it?

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So the FM is busy at CAPO, and the PM is doing his job as well as Defence. You have to wonder who is running the country. Oh, yeah, business as usual.

Must be the Third Hand. wink.png

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What a load of absolute tosh, from someone calling himself a journalist. That may be the view held in the more expensive wine bars in Silom and in the senior common rooms of some universities, but it is not the view held by the majority in Nan or Phayao, or Kalasin or Nong Bualamphu - or indeed closer to (their) home in Samut Prakan. The dispossessed and unnecessarily-poor up and down the country are reasonably happy with Thaksinomics which has served the country pretty well for a number of years and led to one of Asias more stable economies. There is nothing wrong with Thailands democracy - it is one of the more robust in Asia.

There is a massive problem with corruption. But this did not start in Thaksins era. It has been endemic in Thai society for generations. Overthrowing the elected government is not the answer.

May God bless Thailand today.

Corruption did not originate in the Shinawatra era. It was one of the justifications for deposing the absolute monarchy but remained and thrived thereafter. However, Thaksin has taken corruption to new elevated levels helped by the 1997 constitution that strove to eliminate the system of fragmented coalition governments could get anything done. The 2007 constitution is not much different in this respect and having one party in power unchallenged makes corruption much more of a problem than it was with the fragmented politics of the 80s and 90s.

Now the economy's long term trend rate has slowed to a crawl and corruption is consuming an ever growing portion of the national budget that is already a relatively small percentage of GDP. With increasing demands for welfare programmes, the country cannot afford to have so much stolen from the budget. However, with rice pledging scheme already deeply mired in corruption and causing a huge dent in govt finances, the government is only interested in coming up with wasteful white elephant projects to steal taxpayers' money like the hi-speed train network.

Time for reform to reduce corruption and increase accountability.

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So the FM is busy at CAPO, and the PM is doing his job as well as Defence. You have to wonder who is running the country. Oh, yeah, business as usual.

Must be the Third Hand. wink.png

It is the third hoof of the Dubai camel.

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What a load of absolute tosh, from someone calling himself a journalist. That may be the view held in the more expensive wine bars in Silom and in the senior common rooms of some universities, but it is not the view held by the majority in Nan or Phayao, or Kalasin or Nong Bualamphu - or indeed closer to (their) home in Samut Prakan. The dispossessed and unnecessarily-poor up and down the country are reasonably happy with Thaksinomics which has served the country pretty well for a number of years and led to one of Asias more stable economies. There is nothing wrong with Thailands democracy - it is one of the more robust in Asia.

There is a massive problem with corruption. But this did not start in Thaksins era. It has been endemic in Thai society for generations. Overthrowing the elected government is not the answer.

May God bless Thailand today.

Corruption did not originate in the Shinawatra era. It was one of the justifications for deposing the absolute monarchy but remained and thrived thereafter. However, Thaksin has taken corruption to new elevated levels helped by the 1997 constitution that strove to eliminate the system of fragmented coalition governments could get anything done. The 2007 constitution is not much different in this respect and having one party in power unchallenged makes corruption much more of a problem than it was with the fragmented politics of the 80s and 90s.

Now the economy's long term trend rate has slowed to a crawl and corruption is consuming an ever growing portion of the national budget that is already a relatively small percentage of GDP. With increasing demands for welfare programmes, the country cannot afford to have so much stolen from the budget. However, with rice pledging scheme already deeply mired in corruption and causing a huge dent in govt finances, the government is only interested in coming up with wasteful white elephant projects to steal taxpayers' money like the hi-speed train network.

Time for reform to reduce corruption and increase accountability.

Just look how Thailand has fallen int he corruption index last year.. this is a clear sign of how corrupt the Shinawatra's and their government are.. far worse then the Democrats ever were.

A interdependent.. powerful institution must be created, corruption investigated by them should be fast tracked..if corrupt they should be sentenced and paying back the money they stole plus a fine. Give the institution that did it a 1% bonus for it and make sure these are honest people (yea yea some of you seem to believe there are no honest Thais).

This way both red and yellow wont be able to steal much and the attraction for crooks to become politicians to get rich will dissapear and you will get a better class of leaders.

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... democracy is in its infancy in Thailand ...

According to the author, it's an 81 year old 'infant".

It's about time for it to grow up!

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The writer needs to take some refresher math courses, along with reasoning. Even if one million were marching in Bangkok, that is not "The Thai People". The silent majority out in the rest of the country are too busy trying to earn a living to come to Bangkok. Corruption is endemic regardless of which group is on top of the pig pile. The capitol needs to be moved far from Bangkok. It is usually a common idea in many democracies to have the capitol in a smaller town, as the large cities already exert far too much influence on politics. I took a geography class decades ago and recall prof pointing out that ratio of Bangkok population to rest of country was already too out of the norm. Everything outside of Bangkok is "beyond the pale" (look for origin of that phrase!). If the condition of the country is as bad as anti government group say it is, they should have no problem winning the election. And as a group have more money to buy votes than just Taksin.

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What a load of absolute tosh, from someone calling himself a journalist. That may be the view held in the more expensive wine bars in Silom and in the senior common rooms of some universities, but it is not the view held by the majority in Nan or Phayao, or Kalasin or Nong Bualamphu - or indeed closer to (their) home in Samut Prakan. The dispossessed and unnecessarily-poor up and down the country are reasonably happy with Thaksinomics which has served the country pretty well for a number of years and led to one of Asias more stable economies. There is nothing wrong with Thailands democracy - it is one of the more robust in Asia.

There is a massive problem with corruption. But this did not start in Thaksins era. It has been endemic in Thai society for generations. Overthrowing the elected government is not the answer.

May God bless Thailand today.

Thaksinomics has served the Shin Corp exceedingly well, And all their extended "family and friends".

Rice scam,hoped for water management scam, even more hoped for 2.2 trillion loan scam, very expensive clocks for parliament scam, let's buy 4 planes for our own use scam. etc etc etc.

No transparency, no accountability, no plans with detailed budgets, little whites lies, hidden or contradictory figures - don't worry about all this, just give us the money!

I'm sure Thaksinomics has delivered some fantastic results - unfortunately we shall never know because the beneficiaries won't be saying.

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Three minutes of my life I will never get back. facepalm.gif

The mere fact that you take the time to post on this forum must then prove you, like many of us, have time on your hands.

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I thought that was an inspiring piece.

Very easy to judge things under Western values, but democracy is in its infancy in Thailand and I have hope Thai society will become fairer and more just.

I think the problem is here.

After several decades of advocacy, various democratic institutions including check-and-balance institutions are still fragile and inefficient. The low level of public literacy and awareness of democratic values and collective responsibility remains problematic.

The answer is here as long as it includes better and better education systems. there will be no quick fix. It would take the stature of a man who has other duties to Thailand that occupy his time.

In my opinion there is no one of his equal.

I do not personally care for Abhist but as it sits today he is the best man for the job.

I may very well be wrong as I was not paying that much attention but I believe he was trying to make schooling a little bit more affordable for the poor. He had also done away with the 30 baht for medical. It may not sound like much but it cost the government 50 baht to process that 30 baht with a net loss to the government of 20 baht.

On a national scale that was a lot of money that could have been used to further improve the heaalth care system.

From today onward, a new political landscape is in the offing even though nobody knows exactly where the future may lie.

When I talk about education I am not talking about teaching a field hand how to speak English. I am talking about teaching him how to reason do simple arithmetic with out a calculator. Make decisions based on his own ability to reason logically. How to learn is so important. They graduate them now with a head full of stuff and no way to learn more.

Reminds me of a man who influenced me to go to colege and take some courses. I told him some of the dumbest people I knew were collage grad's and he said that was because they did no9t learn how to learn that is a very basic fact there that many people don't take advantage of.

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This guy's got nothing on Orwell. The protesters are returning the county to democracy with their un...elected people's council???

The protestor are the people of Thailand and they are moving Thailand towards democracy with their peoples council by moving it away from a Thaksin controlled dictatorship.

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Total idiotic, naive and utter Democratic / Suthep propaganda...

Exactly what people doesn't need to resume sovereignty.

Both factions, different moves, same bad. No hopes for my Thai brothers.

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Three minutes of my life I will never get back. facepalm.gif

When one gives it freely, no conditions or admonishments are implied.

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