PDRC to shut down Bangkok by end of next week

[wolfmanjack]

I know I am stupid, but can someone please explain to me, how spoiling the lives and businesses of the people, who voted for you (Dems has many voters in Bkk) is going to make them support your cause?

Suthep! Your "enemy" is in the north. So take your stupid fight to Khon Kaen, Surin or Buriram.

But I guess you are too much of a chickenshit to do that!!

Yes, he is too gutless to venture north of Bangkok.

So the both of you are advocating he go where a lot of people on both sides will most likely be killed if he does?

[JoeLing]

....... Name me a healthy opertating democracy that serves the peoples best interest at heart across the globe today?

I suppose there is NO government or system that serves the peoples interest at heart ACROSS THE GLOBE.

That to futuristic and would just be impossible to do.

But if you look for a relative healthy operating democracy serving the peoples interest at heart across the nation,

maybe Switzerland is as good as it can get. Probably the ONLY direct democracy in the world where people can

decide by themselves if they want to change the constitution or the law. Where PEOPLE decide if they want a

referendum or a petition, NOT the government.

BUT of course, in order to maintain that democracy, people would need to take their fingers out of their <deleted>,

get out of their TV chair and vote for what THEY believe in and not just scream, shout and demonstrate if there

is something they don't agree with.

Edited December 29, 2013 by JoeLing

[MaxLee]

No problem, in extreme cases, Thailand will just have Suthep Regime instead then, and with Abhisit as his lap dog

It'll be Thaksin, but just the other way around...

[SICHONSTEVE]

I'm thinking that if this fool carries on with his threats(or promises depending on how you look at it) then the army will simply step in and deal with him.

I'm thinking that this ain't gonna happen in a million years as the army are on his side!!

[jmerrin]

The military, even without the support of the police have the power to stop this to happen in Bangkok which after all is Thailand's capital, and such events should not occur, and therefore should have to be avoided.

The Military have taken political control many times in the past in order to prevent such problems in Bangkok, and they might do this again this time.

The military is split, not just the rank and file watermelons, but split along battalion lines. The military will do nothing.

This problem Thailand is having is a top down problem that reflects inner schisms at the top. Suthep is fighting because he has put his cards on the table about what he thinks should happen at the top, and if he loses and the wrong power-duo get to the top, he and many others PAD figures will purged and then cast as villainous traitors by Thai history.

[Thailand]

When are the so-called "millions of people" out there (in addition to many of you posters) going to come to the realization that Suthep is a megalomanical nutcase. Everything he's done recently can be compared to the jerks in history thoughout the world who have tried to overturn a duly elected government. As most civilized societies and countries do in this modern age, if you're not satisfied with the current government, come up with an electable slate of nominees when election time comes around. You can't just say, "I don't like this group so I'll just lead a movement to get rid of this one, and if I don't like the next one, I'll get rid of that one too".

It's difficult to win when the other side cheats, bribes, lies and has populist policies (that are dire for Thailand) and rules through a corrupt fugitive that doesn't even reside in Thailand.

Eeeeeeeer. are you saying only one side cheats and uses corruption to meet it's aims. ?

Yes I am - Thaksin is the unrivalled master at this (apart from the times he got caught out that is)!!!

Seriously?

Do you know what the word naive means?

[rayw]

As I have said many times, Thailand needs a new political party of the people and for the people. Neither the Democrats nor the PTP fit that bill and do not represent anyone other than themselves. Surely by now the people should see that clearly if they open their eyes. The Democrats are the old ruling elite who just want cheap labour and lots of excessive greedy levels of profit and care little about the ordinary Thai folk; whereas the PTP just pay lip service to some of the people fair ideals but when you look more closely they are clearly run by the corruption of the extremely elitist Thaksin and his cronies who pretend to represent the people but so clearly do not. At least that is how I and I am sure many others see it from all we have seen and heard.

The people need to stand up and form a true and honourable party of the centre that says no to the corruptions of both extreme Capitalism and of course extreme Socialism too. A new force that accepts a fair minded successful country needs controlled fair minded honest Capitalism and Socialism, working together to run hand in hand progressively for the benefit of the vast majority of ordinary fair minded Thai people, who deserve a much better deal than they have been and are still getting. There are many positive good points within Capitalism and Socialism and Thailand needs to embrace both of those good points and reject all the nasty bad corrupt stuff that is destroying not only this otherwise lovely country but the very sick Western World too.

Sure I am a guest here and respect that status and overall I have enjoyed my last 10 years in retirement here, but I do care about this country and the many good people here and really want to see a happy and acceptable outcome to this turmoil.

Edited December 29, 2013 by rayw

[DGIE]

Where is the prime minister? What does she have to say in response to this latest plan by the protesters? Why isn't she in Bangkok overseeing the crisis?

Yigluck leaves Bangkok to Suthep. She is also busy outside Bangkok

[dazzle]

Couldn't Thailand follow the UK and create a new "House of Lords". Perhaps membership requirements could be you must be ethnic Chinese, have a certain net worth, or be from a list of selected families.

Do you think this would satisfy the yellow shirts?

How does this work in England?

[Gsxrnz]

When the Berlin wall was ripped down, it was a real piece of history that changed the world as well as a divided country. Arguably, real benefits emerged for those formerly under communist rule and it took some considerable time for the reunification to gain any momentum.

Thailand is facing it's own version of the Berlin Wall. This is all leading to some really serious <deleted> that will be unprecedented in Thailand's short "democratic" history.

The irony is that even after the <deleted> has hit the fan, the fan has exploded, the aftermath may take years to recover from.........but the individual (or group of individuals) worthy of cleaning up the political mess and corruption HAVE NOT YET BEEN BORN.

Thailand and her people are therefore facing a tremendous amount of grief with 0% possibility of any worthwhile improvement.

Looking forward to 2015 when whatever administration in power at that time is knobbled by the next batch of halfwits.

[JoeLing]

I'm thinking that if this fool carries on with his threats(or promises depending on how you look at it) then the army will simply step in and deal with him.

I'm thinking that this ain't gonna happen in a million years as the army are on his side!!

If the army would be on anyone's side, the only person I know of who's constantly meddling

in Thai Politics and profiting from every single coup for the last 40 years - with the backing of

the army in a way or an other - is that Chameleon - Dr. Chalerm Yubamrung.

[Yunla]

Re; Suthep's idea of an unelected "Council" or "Assembly, as these structures require a chairperson of some type, you should be wary.

If he sets up "Youth Brigades" and starts handing out little books of "Suthep's Sayings", you should start really worrying.

I'm somewhere inbetween these two stages.

I'm more concerned about the Red Backlash, which will have more rage than before imo. On a personal level I don't care about CHM.Suthep, I'll be gone from everything soon enough, but I would like to think that Thailand will be peaceful sooner rather than later.

Edited December 29, 2013 by Yunla

[Carrerakiss]

Yeah shut down the city. Hospitals closed, no trash collection, markets with no food delivery, gas stations out of fuel, no access to banks. Real smart Suthep, most citizens in BKK won't put up with that for long.

Well, Dear Leader did tell all Bangkokians not involved in demonstrations to leave the capital and go to resorts to relax. So people have been told what to do. It's clearly their fault if they stay in Bangkok and are inconvenienced.

Ohhhh riiight, it's only the rich, retired and connected who can afford to go outside Bangkok and relax at resorts. Oh well, never mind, <deleted> the rest.

[soi41]

definitely they will soon regret when their economy starts falling down further.

That is the really sad thing here, that the fat cats, who are not afraid to sacrifice a few pawns to keep their feudal system, can afford to have a bad year or two. A small investment to keep control!

As usual it is the small people, who is going to suffer!1

[Hardy99]

No pain, no gain. I hope the PDRC have worked out how to implement a strategy for exit counseling for a couple of million people from the cult of Shinawat. As with any cult following, rebuilding the followers self esteem and life can be difficult and traumatic after coming to terms with having been used by the cult leader for his own personal benefit only. I have to admit some surprise that Thaksin has been so successful in building such a cult following, he can't levitate like Shoko Asahara, can't write pop songs like Charlie Manson and doesn't have the good looks of Jimmy Jones. Either way, I wish PDRC luck trying to deprogram and re-educate the Isaanites.

Thailands future rests in your hands Khun Suthep. Fight the good fight, uniting the country will earn you reverence in the Thai history books.

I agree your Name... Jaidam.. but I not just dum.. i guess is dump!

Seldom read such a stupid coment, millions tortured by a stupid fool,

idiot crime sentenced for THE SAME wrongdoing as Thaksin got the

2 years prison "corruption in illegal land deals".

[Dimpys Dad]

Suthep looks communist to the core. He wants to institute an unelected "peoples committee"? Where else have we seen that and what has been the end state of those countries? Bad news indeed.

[Estrada]

Too many people only see this upcoming shutdown as an inconvenience to their own interests.

No pain no gain is what should be accepted by everyone, that is everyone interested in this country's political landscape changing for the better.

Khun Suthep should be receiving the support of everyone that wants to see a change for the better in Thailand

How can an unelected "peoples democratic coup" make things better, it will disenfranchise the majority of people, but perhaps you have a vested interest in "the good Khun Suthep" because from what I can see IMHO is a thug who will not stop until he has aquired the power he wants by any means and he will fight to the last drop of everyone elses blood to ensure gets it, once he holds power do you think he will ever hand it over to an elected body, no way ! he will always find another excuse to find "reds" under the bed so to speak to ensure the continuation of Suthep as the power broker just like in Russia when the president becomes the prime minister and swaps jobs eevery few years to prove its a democratic process. so manypeople have quoted "power corrupts" in these posts & that is what Suthep wants is absolute irrevocable power to change everything to his advantage, he is now totally out of control!

He doesn't want power - he is standing down from politics after he has sorted the Shinawatra's out and cleaned up the political scene, so how can he, as you are claiming, be seeking power??

It doesn't add up does it!! Seems that you wasted your time with your irrational rant.

Colonel Ghadafi of Libya also said he was not seeking power when he overthrew the democratically elected Government of Libya with his People's Council. For the next 34 years he ruled the country as a Dictator lining his pockets and eliminating any opposition. He ruined the Country and was more corrupt than the Democratically elected Government he replaced. Suthep is a friend of mine, and I do not believe that he doesn't want power.

[JosteinSetsaas]

No free room available at a psychiatric clinic?

[Yunla]

Well, Dear Leader did tell all Bangkokians not involved in demonstrations to leave the capital and go to resorts to relax. So people have been told what to do. It's clearly their fault if they stay in Bangkok and are inconvenienced.

Ohhhh riiight, it's only the rich, retired and connected who can afford to go outside Bangkok and relax at resorts. Oh well, never mind, <deleted> the rest.

Some of us actually love Bangkok, deeply. As strange as it may sound to beach-tourists, many people love to visit and stay in Bangkok, or to live here.

And play Visa Tennis to do so. And pay through the nose sometimes. Suthep can kiss my rusty old wheelchair, sincerely. I'm staying in Bangkok, and if he blockades the specialist brain-ward critical care hospital I have to go to without much warning sometimes, I will sue him until his ears ring.

[MJP]

Suthep looks communist to the core. He wants to institute an unelected "peoples committee"? Where else have we seen that and what has been the end state of those countries? Bad news indeed.

Kleptocracist to the core.

[mca]

Well, Dear Leader did tell all Bangkokians not involved in demonstrations to leave the capital and go to resorts to relax. So people have been told what to do. It's clearly their fault if they stay in Bangkok and are inconvenienced.

I've heard Surat Thani is nice this time of year. Maybe the huge number of Bangkokians who aren't quite down with Suthep's "master plan" should go pay that place a visit

[phuketrichard]

A few days of inconvienance is a small price to pay to get the Thaksin clan out of power for good. Who knows what the future will hold, but right now I say , "Shut her down".

Thailand needs an immediate change of direction. Maybe this just the ticket.

Not a far step from "shut her down"

to

Burn her down

[Jack Morram]

I thought the capital of Thailand was Dubai.

[fab4]

yes i'm sure re-writing the history books is part of suthep's grand plan, but the rest of your post is just bizarre...

what gain has come from the many coups that have gone before?... what gain will come from taking power away from the people?... what gain will come from making the more fanatical reds angry and providing propaganda for their leaders?... what gain will come from replacing one corrupt leader with another corrupt leader?... what gain will come from demonstrating that power in thailand can be achieved by terrorism?...

More dribble

Suthep is attempting to rewrite the future not the past. He unlike you is trying to make the past the past and not the future. He is trying to get rid of that cycle. He is trying to give the people power. If you had been here from the first you should know that it was different groups of people who started this. They finally joined forces and became one voice. Suthep came after the people not before them. This is the peoples doing. As for the red shirts they are not a united force. They are no where near as fanatical as you. In the last three by elections in red shirt strong holds they have lost two of them to the Democrats and got a smaller margin of success in Chiang Mai.

Where other than fanatical posters does it say Suthep will become the Prime Minister of Thailand or for that matter even chair a committee to draw up reforms for the country. Who else has ever led the people in a demand to reform the election procedure before it is held so as to eradicate as much of the charlatanism as possible. All others made no changes unless they were in the drivers seat such as the PTP proposal recommends.

I ask you point blank why do you want to oppose some one trying to bring about a better Thailand? We have it in black and white what the PTP has done in regards to corruption with there corrupt committee and promise to eradicate corruption.

Again I refer you to irrefutable evidence that Fab4 informs me has been fine tuned so as to be more accurate.

http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2013/results/

How many times have you posted that link Dolly? You're like a dog with a new bone. At least treat it with the care it needs before making rash statements with statistics.

There is a downward trend, yes, 2 point places, that's right, 2 point places. The 2012 standing was 88th with 37 points. The 2013 standing is 102 with 35 points. There are 4 countries with 35 points, 8 with 36 and 3 with 37 points in 2013 all holding joint places. Thailand has slipped 2 places. Not nearly so dramatic is it Dolly?

You're really not doing yourself any favours with your backing of Suthep when you've admitted you're not even sure about what sutheps plans are. How do you know he's going to bring about a better Thailand? Judging by his actions so far that's one hell of a leap of faith.

[Midfield General]

No pain, no gain. I hope the PDRC have worked out how to implement a strategy for exit counseling for a couple of million people from the cult of Shinawat. As with any cult following, rebuilding the followers self esteem and life can be difficult and traumatic after coming to terms with having been used by the cult leader for his own personal benefit only. I have to admit some surprise that Thaksin has been so successful in building such a cult following, he can't levitate like Shoko Asahara, can't write pop songs like Charlie Manson and doesn't have the good looks of Jimmy Jones. Either way, I wish PDRC luck trying to deprogram and re-educate the Isaanites.

Thailands future rests in your hands Khun Suthep. Fight the good fight, uniting the country will earn you reverence in the Thai history books.

Does Suthep have any plans for helping the poor of Thailand?. Does he have any policies for proving health care and financial aid to the people of Issan?

The people of Issan dont need re-education. They just need support of a government that cares about them.

[dazzle]

Couldn't Thailand follow the UK and create a new "House of Lords". Perhaps membership requirements could be you must be ethnic Chinese, have a certain net worth, or be from a list of selected families.

Do you think this would satisfy the yellow shirts?

How does this work in England?

[marquis22]

"He defended the PDRC’s final push as legitimate reasoning that the Constitution states clearly that the people can retake their power back to uphold constitutional democracy if the sovereign power the people give to the administration was abused."

Why not just wait till fresh elections? I thought that is what true democracy is all about.

That is what happens in other civilized democratic countries.

[TVGerry]

"He defended the PDRC’s final push as legitimate reasoning that the Constitution states clearly that the people can retake their power back to uphold constitutional democracy if the sovereign power the people give to the administration was abused."

Why not just wait till fresh elections? I thought that is what true democracy is all about.

That is what happens in other civilized democratic countries.

Oh God. Smell the first world BS. As if this was a civilized democratic country. At the moment, at best, it's a democratic kleptocracy.

[Theoutsider]

thailand is between a rock and a hard place.

[impulse]

Anyone looking for some historical background on "unelected leaders" should Google "sortition" and Athenian Democracy.

It's actually a truer form of democracy than any in existence today. The fact that nobody gets an unfair advantage is probably why it's not longer in existence.

I'm not advocating it for Thailand, just as I'm not against it. Not for me to decide.

Just wanted to note that there is a historical precedent.