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How likely is it for an American citizen to gain employment within a business in Thailand? I'm not referring to teaching or non-profit work. Most of the listings that I've come across all state that they want Thai nationals -- which I am not. I'm particularly interested in a marketing role, but open to project management or human resources.

Thank you in advance for any helpful responses!

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It used to be very rare that companies would hire foreigners in country, unless you have a specialist skill that's in demand - it's much easier to undertake marketing in your home country to find regional positions with foreign firms. I would rate your chances of success of applying locally and being successful for general roles such as you mention, at close to zero, unless you know somebody in a company who is very influential..

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Good people get good jobs (I have always believed that); except in Thailand.

It is totally up in the air. If you do happen to land something however, depend on being endlessly frustrated. The model here is for the businesses to do exactly as they please, and have a lot of turnover. High productivity and good employee morale don't seem to be phrases Thais are familiar with. Pay rock bottom wages and treating employees despicably are ideas/phrases they embrace. I often wonder actually, when a Thai person looks at Google and what they have done, what do they think? "Oh, they just got lucky". I have no idea. You would think people would at least attempt to follow successful business models though.

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So what do you actually do? HR, Project Management and Marketing are all quite different disciplines. Most of the time that companies chose to take on the additional expense, hassle and risk of hiring a foreigner it is because they can't find someone locally with very specific skills and experience in one particular discipline, who can come in know what they're doing straight away. As soon as you get in to significant amounts of training then it's as well to hire a local and avoid the trouble of work permits, language and cultural barriers and the chance (from their point of view) that you'll get bored of Bangkok in 6 months and move on.

So if for example you were an expert construction project manager who had just completed $X million project and could bring that expertise to a construciton project here, then you may get somewhere. If you were an HR specialist with years of experience in a specialised field who could add something that nobody locally could add, then you'd be in more demand. Trying to be all things just makes it sound like you don't have any particular marketable skills.

Not trying to be negative and I do wish you well, but realistically looking to start a new career as a foreigner in Thailand is a huge ask. Might be worth your while to go and spend a few years back home building up direct and relevant experience before looking for a job in Thailand.

Alternatively, if you really can't face going back home, then you'll have to start from rock bottom. I have met a couple of people who have got into HR Training and Development roles via teaching English, then corporate training, onboarding etc. It's possible but takes years of slog.

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Good people get good jobs (I have always believed that); except in Thailand.

It is totally up in the air. If you do happen to land something however, depend on being endlessly frustrated. The model here is for the businesses to do exactly as they please, and have a lot of turnover. High productivity and good employee morale don't seem to be phrases Thais are familiar with. Pay rock bottom wages and treating employees despicably are ideas/phrases they embrace. I often wonder actually, when a Thai person looks at Google and what they have done, what do they think? "Oh, they just got lucky". I have no idea. You would think people would at least attempt to follow successful business models though.

And of course you are generalising here, I have been gamefully employed in Thailand for the last 13 years and not experienced any of that you have written

That's sounds interesting, do you mean that you work as a "gamefuller"? What area of business is that, sports, computer games, something like that?

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Good people get good jobs (I have always believed that); except in Thailand.

It is totally up in the air. If you do happen to land something however, depend on being endlessly frustrated. The model here is for the businesses to do exactly as they please, and have a lot of turnover. High productivity and good employee morale don't seem to be phrases Thais are familiar with. Pay rock bottom wages and treating employees despicably are ideas/phrases they embrace. I often wonder actually, when a Thai person looks at Google and what they have done, what do they think? "Oh, they just got lucky". I have no idea. You would think people would at least attempt to follow successful business models though.

And of course you are generalising here, I have been gamefully employed in Thailand for the last 13 years and not experienced any of that you have written

That's sounds interesting, do you mean that you work as a "gamefuller"? What area of business is that, sports, computer games, something like that?

Typo dear boy should have said " gainfully employed "

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There are plenty of foreigners (expats) working in Thailand in non-teaching roles. You just need to open your eyes - thousands upon thousands of westerners, Japanese, South Koreans, Singaporeans and others all work in Thailand in various roles and there likely won't be any change to that in years to come as the demand for foreigners continues to increase. The vast majority of western/other foreign faces you see wearing business shirts, suits etc. on the skytrain and walking around the business districts of Bangkok are locally based expats, not foreign business travellers and many of these expats have quite good jobs in various industries, often at mid-level management or higher.

That being said, expats won't easily find a job in Thailand either and in most cases, don't consider applying online for a position as most of the positions advertised are for locals. Expats can find a job in a number of ways:

1) searching expat specific job websites

2) networking through other expats, foreign chamber of commerce or other networking events

3) word of mouth

4) occasionally cold calling companies of interest by handing out resumes may work

5) starting a business locally

6) getting hired from overseas for a Thai-based position

Anyway your chances of success depend very much on your specific skills and amount of experience, just like in any other country. One positive aspect of being a foreigner applying for work in Thailand is that age-based discrimination, which is very common when hiring Thai employees, is generally not practiced amongst employers hiring foreigners.

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Good people get good jobs (I have always believed that); except in Thailand.

It is totally up in the air. If you do happen to land something however, depend on being endlessly frustrated. The model here is for the businesses to do exactly as they please, and have a lot of turnover. High productivity and good employee morale don't seem to be phrases Thais are familiar with. Pay rock bottom wages and treating employees despicably are ideas/phrases they embrace. I often wonder actually, when a Thai person looks at Google and what they have done, what do they think? "Oh, they just got lucky". I have no idea. You would think people would at least attempt to follow successful business models though.

"You would think people would at least attempt to follow successful business models though."

That is surprising. I would think most companies willing to take on new foreign employees would immediately change their way of doing things to suit these new hires who must bring with them a wealth of talent and experience that enables them to command those "rock bottom wages."

I often wonder actually, when a Thai person looks at Google and what they have done, what do they think? "Oh, they just got lucky". I have no idea.

I think I'm beginning to understand why your view of "successful business models" must be difficult for them to enthusiastically endorse ... or fathom.

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Most of the comments have been helpful and on the money. But is OP serious? Seems spur of the moment dreaming, as in his byline. Not exactly a thoughtful plan.

For those who are genuinely interested in working in LOS - and OP might be, but the question comes off as if you're not serious, like most of your generation, about getting a job anywhwere, much less LOS - phrase your freakin' question so that we might actually help you. This forum is a huge network backed up by seriously good experience in LOS. But vague questions like this make it tough to help, and are frankly annoying. My guess is: another flaky American just back home from his LOS holiday. Enjoy your Polar Vortex, and keep dreamin.

For those who are serious about trying to get a job in LOS, here are some initial thoughts on the question posed by OP (ie, a young guy looking for work in marketing):

  1. Are you interested to work in LOS or work in your field? If it's the latter, go elsewhere. The pay and the experience is better
  2. Don't write off working for a non-profit or international organization. They're among the only groups that pay international rates and let you live on LOS costs
  3. Think most seriously about starting a business in LOS, especially if you're young. Ditto in Cambodia, where it's nearby and cost of entry is even lower
  4. Hospitality sector, while tough work and low-ish pay, offers lots of marketing/management careers in SE Asia
  5. Don't overlook opportunities - there are a ton of them - to be based in LOS but work in region

My honest answer to OP: it is easy to get a livable wage in Thailand (ie, with enough left over at the end of the month to put away at least $500 each month). With some effort, you might find you can get something that enables you to save a lot more. No question about that.

But you have to be honest with yourself: is your priority to live in Thailand or work in Marketing?

If your priority is Marketing, go to Cincinnatti (ie, home of P&G); get an entry-level corporate job; enjoy your two weeks a year in LOS, learning more and more as you go; enjoy the low cost of living in America's second-tier cities; use your savings to buy a rental condo in LOS; have P&G pay for your MBA at night; buy a home in the 'burbs; fulfill the 3+ years requirement to stick with them after your MBA; either a) quit and get a job with an Ad Firm with an eye to starting your own ad agency some day, possibly in Asia; or cool.png stick with P&G, take early retirement at 45, and move to LOS with a nice pension, a cute girlfriend, health benefits, and decent chunk of money from the sale of your home.

Honestly, for an American, a white collar corporate job offers among the best benefits and stress-free careers available in America today. You'll have plenty of time to enjoy LOS along the way and when you retire.

However, if your priority is living in Thailand, give up on this "Marketing or Project Management or other work that will make my Daddy proud while I'm whoring it up in LOS". He'll get over it. Commit to Thailand, whatever it takes. Live your life for yourself.

It might mean a lowly Teaching job. If that's all you can get, run with it. Turn it into something. It may give you time to engage your passion for photography, and after a few years possibly make a career out of what you really love. Or you might find you open your own English and Test Prep school, and publish a serious of language or test-prep books. Don't limit yourself just because you are embarrased by all the teachers you meet there. Indeed, if you work at it - as in What Color is My Parachute job-hunting style - you might find that you come up with something genuinely life-inspiring and satisfying in Thailand.

But trying to do your "dream" career in Thailand - useless. The pay is too low. The experience is parochial. If in LOS, better to give entrepreneurship a try, and fail, than to waste your time as an American on a job in Thailand. In fact, what could you even offer here? Better to get a job with a P&G, build up your Asia cred, language skills, and knowledge base, and apply for an international transfer to an Asia office after a few years.

That said, morbidly speaking, Caterpillar Thailand has an opening for an American. Just make sure you come equipped with more than your American bluster, if you get into a spat with a taxi....

For other posters, give more details of a thoughtful plan - and thinking done before posting. Perhaps we'll be of some use.

Amen. Besides, what's your point? I didn't get it, might be my alcohol consumption.-coffee1.gif

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It's very difficult, the best way would be to be sent here by a company from the US.

People come to Thailand to spend money, the whole country is geared up to help you with that! Making money is far more difficult and don't expect any help. There is a lot of competition as many guys like to stay here.

If you do come here make sure you can survive a few years, don't have too high expectations on your income when you get a job and realize that Thailand is not cheap anymore!

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Most of the comments have been helpful and on the money. But is OP serious? Seems spur of the moment dreaming, as in his byline. Not exactly a thoughtful plan.

For those who are genuinely interested in working in LOS - and OP might be, but the question comes off as if you're not serious, like most of your generation, about getting a job anywhwere, much less LOS - phrase your freakin' question so that we might actually help you. This forum is a huge network backed up by seriously good experience in LOS. But vague questions like this make it tough to help, and are frankly annoying. My guess is: another flaky American just back home from his LOS holiday. Enjoy your Polar Vortex, and keep dreamin.

For those who are serious about trying to get a job in LOS, here are some initial thoughts on the question posed by OP (ie, a young guy looking for work in marketing):

  • Are you interested to work in LOS or work in your field? If it's the latter, go elsewhere. The pay and the experience is better
  • Don't write off working for a non-profit or international organization. They're among the only groups that pay international rates and let you live on LOS costs
  • Think most seriously about starting a business in LOS, especially if you're young. Ditto in Cambodia, where it's nearby and cost of entry is even lower
  • Hospitality sector, while tough work and low-ish pay, offers lots of marketing/management careers in SE Asia
  • Don't overlook opportunities - there are a ton of them - to be based in LOS but work in region
My honest answer to OP: it is easy to get a livable wage in Thailand (ie, with enough left over at the end of the month to put away at least $500 each month). With some effort, you might find you can get something that enables you to save a lot more. No question about that.

But you have to be honest with yourself: is your priority to live in Thailand or work in Marketing?

If your priority is Marketing, go to Cincinnatti (ie, home of P&G); get an entry-level corporate job; enjoy your two weeks a year in LOS, learning more and more as you go; enjoy the low cost of living in America's second-tier cities; use your savings to buy a rental condo in LOS; have P&G pay for your MBA at night; buy a home in the 'burbs; fulfill the 3+ years requirement to stick with them after your MBA; either a) quit and get a job with an Ad Firm with an eye to starting your own ad agency some day, possibly in Asia; or cool.png stick with P&G, take early retirement at 45, and move to LOS with a nice pension, a cute girlfriend, health benefits, and decent chunk of money from the sale of your home.

Honestly, for an American, a white collar corporate job offers among the best benefits and stress-free careers available in America today. You'll have plenty of time to enjoy LOS along the way and when you retire.

However, if your priority is living in Thailand, give up on this "Marketing or Project Management or other work that will make my Daddy proud while I'm whoring it up in LOS". He'll get over it. Commit to Thailand, whatever it takes. Live your life for yourself.

It might mean a lowly Teaching job. If that's all you can get, run with it. Turn it into something. It may give you time to engage your passion for photography, and after a few years possibly make a career out of what you really love. Or you might find you open your own English and Test Prep school, and publish a serious of language or test-prep books. Don't limit yourself just because you are embarrased by all the teachers you meet there. Indeed, if you work at it - as in What Color is My Parachute job-hunting style - you might find that you come up with something genuinely life-inspiring and satisfying in Thailand.

But trying to do your "dream" career in Thailand - useless. The pay is too low. The experience is parochial. If in LOS, better to give entrepreneurship a try, and fail, than to waste your time as an American on a job in Thailand. In fact, what could you even offer here? Better to get a job with a P&G, build up your Asia cred, language skills, and knowledge base, and apply for an international transfer to an Asia office after a few years.

That said, morbidly speaking, Caterpillar Thailand has an opening for an American. Just make sure you come equipped with more than your American bluster, if you get into a spat with a taxi....

For other posters, give more details of a thoughtful plan - and thinking done before posting. Perhaps we'll be of some use.

Amen. Besides, what's your point? I didn't get it, might be my alcohol consumption.-coffee1.gif

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Just more anti American BS so rampant on here. This guy had nothing to say when the Italian guy with some "IT" experience posted last week. Probably a HUGE fan of ravioli however.

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How easy would it be for me gaining legal employment in the US being a non-US citizen or green card holder ? , it seems all the job ads I look at want US citizens or green cards holders only

Should take you about an hour.

Just swing by any "Day Labor" site, Lowe's or Home Depot parking lot.

Want free medical, food stamps (EBT Card), housing assistance, drivers license, and voting rights?....no problem!

Have some "anchor babies" while there.

And the best part....the police can't ask to see your "papers". Land of the free!

Sad, but true sad.png

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How easy would it be for me gaining legal employment in the US being a non-US citizen or green card holder ? , it seems all the job ads I look at want US citizens or green cards holders only

You left out over 2 million work visas issued in the U.S. and hundreds of thousands of educational visas, and most of them find legal employment in the U.S. without being a citizen or green card holder thumbsup.gif There is no need to show your ignorance on this matter, the OP asked a very good question and the answer is that Thailand is still very much a "closed society" where foreigners LEGALLY in the country have very few options for employment, such is not the case in the U.S. where anyone legally in the country can seek whatever employment they choose smile.png Personally I can't imagine why anyone would seek employment in Thailand with the pitiful wages even college graduates make here, just make, save and invest the money you earn in your home country and in a few years you can enjoy an early retirement in the LOS wai2.gif

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Good people get good jobs (I have always believed that); except in Thailand.

It is totally up in the air. If you do happen to land something however, depend on being endlessly frustrated. The model here is for the businesses to do exactly as they please, and have a lot of turnover. High productivity and good employee morale don't seem to be phrases Thais are familiar with. Pay rock bottom wages and treating employees despicably are ideas/phrases they embrace. I often wonder actually, when a Thai person looks at Google and what they have done, what do they think? "Oh, they just got lucky". I have no idea. You would think people would at least attempt to follow successful business models though.

the average thai worker( slave) will continue to be used and abused by the management just like the brits and every other civilised country was in the early 1900 s !70 hour weeks ,low pay,dangerous conditions,few holidays this will continue until they organise theirselves and stop licking the bosses backside ! trade unions ???? whats that ! UNITED WE STAND,DIVIDED WE FALL, UNITY IS STRENGTH . JARROW MARCHERS.,dont buy buddha any more gold paint to make him look fresh,instead pay some union subs and maybe the thai worker will have more out of life instead of just existing

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The very last thing in the world i would want to do with my life, is to be employed by a Thai company. They seem to have little sense of how to treat an employee, how to pay fair wages, how to create long term relationships, how to offer great customer service, etc. etc. Life is short. Why on earth would a foreigner with options, want to go to work for a company that puts you in that position? More than likely, the only reason Thai people work for Thai companies, is that they have no other choices. I know Thai people who work for foreign companies, and they tell me all of those aspects are better, and more favorable, than with a home grown firm. So, think long and hard about a decision like this. Or try to gain employment with a multinational firm, that has some idea about how businesses around the world operate, and treat their employees.

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The very last thing in the world i would want to do with my life, is to be employed by a Thai company. They seem to have little sense of how to treat an employee, how to pay fair wages, how to create long term relationships, how to offer great customer service, etc. etc. Life is short. Why on earth would a foreigner with options, want to go to work for a company that puts you in that position? More than likely, the only reason Thai people work for Thai companies, is that they have no other choices. I know Thai people who work for foreign companies, and they tell me all of those aspects are better, and more favorable, than with a home grown firm. So, think long and hard about a decision like this. Or try to gain employment with a multinational firm, that has some idea about how businesses around the world operate, and treat their employees.

A man that knows the truth about working for Thais in Thailand. "Boss" is definitely a word the Thais will know and understand, and they seem to relish this position as evidence by their actions. The horror, the horror.

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How easy would it be for me gaining legal employment in the US being a non-US citizen or green card holder ? , it seems all the job ads I look at want US citizens or green cards holders only

You left out over 2 million work visas issued in the U.S. and hundreds of thousands of educational visas, and most of them find legal employment in the U.S. without being a citizen or green card holder thumbsup.gif There is no need to show your ignorance on this matter, the OP asked a very good question and the answer is that Thailand is still very much a "closed society" where foreigners LEGALLY in the country have very few options for employment, such is not the case in the U.S. where anyone legally in the country can seek whatever employment they choose smile.png Personally I can't imagine why anyone would seek employment in Thailand with the pitiful wages even college graduates make here, just make, save and invest the money you earn in your home country and in a few years you can enjoy an early retirement in the LOS wai2.gif

Yes those pitiful wages I have earned in thailand over the last 13 years are nearly 30 % above the wages being paid for a comparable position in both the US and UK and less tax as well to boot

So I have no problem working for pitiful wages in Thailand and long may it continue

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Yes those pitiful wages I have earned in thailand over the last 13 years are nearly 30 % above the wages being paid for a comparable position in both the US and UK and less tax as well to boot

So I have no problem working for pitiful wages in Thailand and long may it continue

That's great. No one said it's not possible. Indeed, it's exactly what OP is hoping to hear.

Without revealing more than you are comfortable with, can you give an idea of the sector/field? I hadn't realized income taxes in LOS were that much better than US/UK.

But whatever you are able to reveal, your point is a good one for all who are seeking employment in LOS: there are a number of fields in which you can get international pay while living on the local cost base. 30% more than back home is an achievement, indeed. Sounds possibly like education. The US and UK really underpay educators.

The challenge is that OP specified just 3 fields, where LOS pay is notoriously weak, and eliminated 2 fields, including education, where the pay can be comparable/international, on a lower cost base.

Perhaps you work in one of these 2 areas...and perhaps have forgotten the days during your past 13 years when the exchange rate was not as favorable as it has been for the past 12 months! Actually, you and OP may be a good match: you both favor the evasive approach to posting.

OP: I believe you have your answer: get a job with the diplomatic corps!

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Yes those pitiful wages I have earned in thailand over the last 13 years are nearly 30 % above the wages being paid for a comparable position in both the US and UK and less tax as well to boot

So I have no problem working for pitiful wages in Thailand and long may it continue

That's great. No one said it's not possible. Indeed, it's exactly what OP is hoping to hear.

Without revealing more than you are comfortable with, can you give an idea of the sector/field? I hadn't realized income taxes in LOS were that much better than US/UK.

But whatever you are able to reveal, your point is a good one for all who are seeking employment in LOS: there are a number of fields in which you can get international pay while living on the local cost base. 30% more than back home is an achievement, indeed. Sounds possibly like education. The US and UK really underpay educators.

The challenge is that OP specified just 3 fields, where LOS pay is notoriously weak, and eliminated 2 fields, including education, where the pay can be comparable/international, on a lower cost base.

Perhaps you work in one of these 2 areas...and perhaps have forgotten the days during your past 13 years when the exchange rate was not as favorable as it has been for the past 12 months! Actually, you and OP may be a good match: you both favor the evasive approach to posting.

OP: I believe you have your answer: get a job with the diplomatic corps!

I work O&G, one suspects the last thing anyone would want is me trying to educate someone, have a feeling it would be me beating the students up LOL, I have have little time for the snot nosed little gits whether in a school or university LOL...wink.png

If your package is structured properly taxable income in Thailand is reduced considerably in certain circumstances.

without trying to sound obtuse...someone looking for work in Thailand needs to ask this question....what is the reason they are looking for a job ?

if they are looking for a job in Thailand because they are that desperate to live in Thailand ? or is it part of a career move/path.

Typically money and conditions for some sectors of farang employment are bad, simply because people are that desperate to remain/live in Thailand they are prepared to accept bad pay/conditions at all costs and the employers know it, one suspect this is certainly the case in teaching.

for me personally, its a take or leave it situation in Thailand, I do enjoy working here, I do get paid quite well based on international norms...but if it all fell apart tomorrow would I take any job I could find, even on poor money/conditions, just to continue living here ?.....not on your life, however I do have the advantage of the business I am in to live in Thailand and work somewhere else and commute if I chose to.

I suppose I have been very lucky in my 25 odd year work career, as a new job was only ever one or two phone calls away, but I think I have found myself in that position because the one thing I have always done is fostered cordial relationships with people I have worked with over the years and not intentionally burnt bridges, someone who worked for me 10 years ago, could now be in a senior position somewhere else and if we had a good relationship when that person worked for me and never p*ssed on them, usually if a phone call is made a few years later from me looking for a job it will result in a positive response or at least help being steered in the right direction.

In mangement consultant speak....its called networking and to me its the key to finding employment

The thing I guess prospective employee's need to understand about Thailand, is that employing an foreigner in Thailand legally, involves considerable time /effort and cost on the part of the company, and continued time and "aggravation" every year, therefore the decision to employ an expat is not taken lightly and there has to be a specific need to fill that postion with an expat

Typically HR departments are bombarded with applications/CV's all the time, from within a country, so someone sending a speculative CV/Resume in from out of country by a farang or in "fancy" managment speak English, will get little attention.

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