EC urges restart of poll process

[MaiChai]

EC are right with their reasons which are not predictions. Yinglucks hands are tied because puppet master Taksin won't compromise.

[englishoak]

just another day and another stupid dept in the favourite Banana republic of Asia

[dukebowling]

Reform is the way to go before the election.

Reason the red thugs and red government don't want this are simple.

As long as they are not an government they cant start new scams to rip off the country and enrich themselves. They are monitored now and their hands are bound can't make a profit this way. They need to the 2 trillion baht loan to (its not supposed for it but they will use it) rice scam.

Every month they are not in government means they loose out on corruption money (cant initiate new scams). They hate it that they are in the spotlight, that is why they wanted to remove checks and balances and want to do projects off the books. Everyone can read those signs.

I hope reforms come before the election and ensure a less corrupt government. Governments should be audited (preferably by the other side) to ensure fairness, and if caught in corruption should be punished.

Why reform? Is there something specifically that needs to be addressed? What should be done outside of the democratic process?

[jackrich]

democrats would like to postpone elections until they have had a chance to run a risk scheme and pilfer billions of for an election war chest.

I find it odious that Puea Thai, or other parties, believe that because they get to form an executive to run the govt, all govt officials must toe the line on their dodgy agenda. If whole groups of govt workers feel the situation is untenable and choose to appoint a senior official to announce that stance you should start paying attention rather than threatening with the great 'inactive posting'. People are fed up with the corruption, meddling from ruling party, the nepotism, the divisiveness. Time to go back to the start and stop pretending that this is a democracy because we all voted.

Why do the Democrats suddenly have this urge for reforms?

They were in power for 3+ years with an absolute majority in parliament, but they passed absolutely NO reforms. Nothing. None. Why?

Their current cry for reforms is just an excuse to make a power grab. Once they are in power, they will do nothing, again.

If they really wanted changes, they should have implemented them when they were in power. Abhisit was PM and Suthep Vice-PM.

[tingtongteesood]

The problem is there is no date for an election that is acceptable to Suthep. So there is no use postponing it.

If they do however they must fire the entire EC for there gross incompetence in getting candidates registered.

I am sure the money they get from Suthep will see them well compensated.

As usual a lot of rhetoric and accusations which are completely baseless.

The EC has done their job properly with integrity, just because they refuse to break the rules for Thaksin and the Please Thaksin party, DOES NOT mean they are wrong. They are following the law to the letter. This IS their job whether it pleases the fugitive dictator or not.

Got proof that Suthep has bought them ? You really think he can compare with Thaksin's US$1.7 billion that we know about + whatever else he has secretly stashed away ? Insane !

[JRSoul]

Reform is the way to go before the election.

Reason the red thugs and red government don't want this are simple.

As long as they are not an government they cant start new scams to rip off the country and enrich themselves. They are monitored now and their hands are bound can't make a profit this way. They need to the 2 trillion baht loan to (its not supposed for it but they will use it) rice scam.

Every month they are not in government means they loose out on corruption money (cant initiate new scams). They hate it that they are in the spotlight, that is why they wanted to remove checks and balances and want to do projects off the books. Everyone can read those signs.

I hope reforms come before the election and ensure a less corrupt government. Governments should be audited (preferably by the other side) to ensure fairness, and if caught in corruption should be punished.

Why reform? Is there something specifically that needs to be addressed? What should be done outside of the democratic process?

Yeah, why reform? What's wrong with a non-elected, not even a member of the party, fugitive criminal being allowed access to cabinet meetings; to MPs selling their vote as he dictates policy to benefit himself? What's wrong with a government implementing policies costing hundreds of billions of baht with no accounting or transparency; of spending B350 billion and planning for 2.2 trillion more, without parliamentary oversight; of planning major infrastructure projects spending without a hint of cost/benefit analysis?

What's wrong with proposing and implementing policies with clear conflicts of interest, and not one member declares and/or recuses themself? Whats wrong with using the party list for nepotism and installing criminals facing serious charges in parliament so they can delay prosecution?

What's wrong with having an AG and police who refuse to press charges, even going as far as to change the definition of a crime, to benefit government members; but will prosecute to further their political agendas? Of a FM issuing a passport to a criminal who happens to be his cousin, and a government that stonewalls when pressed on the issue?

These are all minor matters that a perjuring PM, family member of the criminal running the party, promises to fix when re-elected. Reforms - bah, humbug!

[Thait Spot]

democrats would like to postpone elections until they have had a chance to run a risk scheme and pilfer billions of for an election war chest.

I find it odious that Puea Thai, or other parties, believe that because they get to form an executive to run the govt, all govt officials must toe the line on their dodgy agenda. If whole groups of govt workers feel the situation is untenable and choose to appoint a senior official to announce that stance you should start paying attention rather than threatening with the great 'inactive posting'. People are fed up with the corruption, meddling from ruling party, the nepotism, the divisiveness. Time to go back to the start and stop pretending that this is a democracy because we all voted.

Why do the Democrats suddenly have this urge for reforms?

They were in power for 3+ years with an absolute majority in parliament, but they passed absolutely NO reforms. Nothing. None. Why?

Their current cry for reforms is just an excuse to make a power grab. Once they are in power, they will do nothing, again.

If they really wanted changes, they should have implemented them when they were in power. Abhisit was PM and Suthep Vice-PM.

Simple really.

PTP took cheating and deception to new levels never previously considered.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Edited January 11, 2014 by Thait Spot

[rubl]

democrats would like to postpone elections until they have had a chance to run a risk scheme and pilfer billions of for an election war chest.

I find it odious that Puea Thai, or other parties, believe that because they get to form an executive to run the govt, all govt officials must toe the line on their dodgy agenda. If whole groups of govt workers feel the situation is untenable and choose to appoint a senior official to announce that stance you should start paying attention rather than threatening with the great 'inactive posting'. People are fed up with the corruption, meddling from ruling party, the nepotism, the divisiveness. Time to go back to the start and stop pretending that this is a democracy because we all voted.

Why do the Democrats suddenly have this urge for reforms?

They were in power for 3+ years with an absolute majority in parliament, but they passed absolutely NO reforms. Nothing. None. Why?

Their current cry for reforms is just an excuse to make a power grab. Once they are in power, they will do nothing, again.

If they really wanted changes, they should have implemented them when they were in power. Abhisit was PM and Suthep Vice-PM.

Well, the Democrat party led coalition government has the 2007/2008 global financial crisis to weather. Also the 2009 and 2010 'riots' kept them somewhat busy.

The government lasted from 17th of December 2008 till the 9th of May 2011 which seems to me about 2 years and 5 months.

As for 'absolute' majority, with the now caretaker Pheu Thai led 'coalition' government, Pheu Thai had 265 seats and with partners 301 seats out of 500. The Democrat party led coalition was a bit more shaky with the democrats having 161 seats out of then 480 and

"In a piece of fancy political footwork, Abhisit's coalition was able to muster 235 MPs, giving it a slender majority of 37 that left it vulnerable to pressure from its allies in smaller parties. The victory in Sunday's polls bolsters its majority."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/13/thai-government-by-elections

So, may I ask you to try again/

Edited January 12, 2014 by rubl

[jackrich]

democrats would like to postpone elections until they have had a chance to run a risk scheme and pilfer billions of for an election war chest.

I find it odious that Puea Thai, or other parties, believe that because they get to form an executive to run the govt, all govt officials must toe the line on their dodgy agenda. If whole groups of govt workers feel the situation is untenable and choose to appoint a senior official to announce that stance you should start paying attention rather than threatening with the great 'inactive posting'. People are fed up with the corruption, meddling from ruling party, the nepotism, the divisiveness. Time to go back to the start and stop pretending that this is a democracy because we all voted.

Why do the Democrats suddenly have this urge for reforms?

They were in power for 3+ years with an absolute majority in parliament, but they passed absolutely NO reforms. Nothing. None. Why?

Their current cry for reforms is just an excuse to make a power grab. Once they are in power, they will do nothing, again.

If they really wanted changes, they should have implemented them when they were in power. Abhisit was PM and Suthep Vice-PM.

Well, the Democrat party led coalition government has the 2007/2008 global financial crisis to weather. Also the 2009 and 2010 'riots' kept them somewhat busy.

The government lasted from 17th of December 2008 till the 9th of May 2011 which seems to me about 2 years and 5 months.

As for 'absolute' majority, with the now caretaker Pheu Thai led 'coalition' government, Pheu Thai had 265 seats and with partners 301 seats out of 500. The Democrat party led coalition was a bit more shaky with the democrats having 161 seats out of then 480 and

"In a piece of fancy political footwork, Abhisit's coalition was able to muster 235 MPs, giving it a slender majority of 37 that left it vulnerable to pressure from its allies in smaller parties. The victory in Sunday's polls bolsters its majority."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/13/thai-government-by-elections

So, may I ask you to try again/

They were not able to change the laws while being the government and now they want to overthrow and elected government to implement their law changes?

With what authority? Nowhere in the world can you implement changes to the law unless the PEOPLE in an ELECTION give you the power to do so.

This is a minority who thinks it can force the majority of Thais who did not elect them to accept something THEY want.

You win elections, you get to make changes. That's how it works.

Maybe they should take a good look at themselves and find out why they haven't won elections for 23 years.

[rubl]

democrats would like to postpone elections until they have had a chance to run a risk scheme and pilfer billions of for an election war chest.

I find it odious that Puea Thai, or other parties, believe that because they get to form an executive to run the govt, all govt officials must toe the line on their dodgy agenda. If whole groups of govt workers feel the situation is untenable and choose to appoint a senior official to announce that stance you should start paying attention rather than threatening with the great 'inactive posting'. People are fed up with the corruption, meddling from ruling party, the nepotism, the divisiveness. Time to go back to the start and stop pretending that this is a democracy because we all voted.

Why do the Democrats suddenly have this urge for reforms?

They were in power for 3+ years with an absolute majority in parliament, but they passed absolutely NO reforms. Nothing. None. Why?

Their current cry for reforms is just an excuse to make a power grab. Once they are in power, they will do nothing, again.

If they really wanted changes, they should have implemented them when they were in power. Abhisit was PM and Suthep Vice-PM.

Well, the Democrat party led coalition government has the 2007/2008 global financial crisis to weather. Also the 2009 and 2010 'riots' kept them somewhat busy.

The government lasted from 17th of December 2008 till the 9th of May 2011 which seems to me about 2 years and 5 months.

As for 'absolute' majority, with the now caretaker Pheu Thai led 'coalition' government, Pheu Thai had 265 seats and with partners 301 seats out of 500. The Democrat party led coalition was a bit more shaky with the democrats having 161 seats out of then 480 and

"In a piece of fancy political footwork, Abhisit's coalition was able to muster 235 MPs, giving it a slender majority of 37 that left it vulnerable to pressure from its allies in smaller parties. The victory in Sunday's polls bolsters its majority."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/13/thai-government-by-elections

So, may I ask you to try again/

They were not able to change the laws while being the government and now they want to overthrow and elected government to implement their law changes?

With what authority? Nowhere in the world can you implement changes to the law unless the PEOPLE in an ELECTION give you the power to do so.

This is a minority who thinks it can force the majority of Thais who did not elect them to accept something THEY want.

You win elections, you get to make changes. That's how it works.

Maybe they should take a good look at themselves and find out why they haven't won elections for 23 years.

1. 'they were not able to change laws'

-> they didn't try to push through laws like the Pheu Thai 'blanket amnesty bill'

2. 'their law changes'?

--> which Democrat party law changes?

3. 'this ... minority ... force ... '

--> actually it was only k. Thaksin

4. 'you win, you get to make changes'

--> In a democratic system democracy means much more than only 'winning'. furthermore it's just 'you form a (coalition) government and you may propose law changes, but within reason. Especially controversial law changes need a lot of discussions and more than 50%+1 support.

5. 'din't win elections'

--> all parties with MPs have won them.

If winning elections is the only issue for democracies, have a look how it's done in North Korea, Zimbabwe. Those chaps know how to 'win'

Edited January 13, 2014 by rubl

[icare999]

The problem is there is no date for an election that is acceptable to Suthep. So there is no use postponing it.

If they do however they must fire the entire EC for there gross incompetence in getting candidates registered.

I am sure the money they get from Suthep will see them well compensated.

nonsense he has been 100% clear if Taksin goes and his evil clan then a breathing space of a few months to at least sort some of worst scams and corruption and then everyone including Suthep will be content even if a red shirt government is elected provided its not controlled by Taksin and his lot.

If Taksin his sister and rest gave one jot for Thailand they would give p and hand over to someone not connected with them and so avoid all this but of course then Taksins dream of having his own one party dictatorship cannot be realised and he and his clan and cronies would have to be content with just many billions they have stolen

Rather than doing whats good for Thailand Taksin will do anything to keep power including if he can igniting a civil war but thank goodness it seems Army has not been bought by him as many feared it had

[wordchild]

Keep your eye on the stockmarket finished up strongly today +2.2%. I am told many in the market believe a deal will be done shortly to postpone the election and this will take some of the heat out.

Edited January 13, 2014 by wordchild