Ah paradise lost, garden of Eden, complete with snake and all. . .

You must be Adam?

Ah paradise lost, garden of Eden, complete with snake and all. . .

You must be Adam?

Palindrome "Madam in Eden, I'm Adam"

Actually his name is Marc. . .

Edit: apparently the new guy's Mickey, Marc sold out went back to France?

In a bar.... I find honesty so refreshing. So no, she does not have milk white skin, three degrees,

and a family packed with high ranking government officials..

Seems so totally bizarre to me to focus on the classist trivia rather than qualities like kindness, compassion, tolerance, patience - not to mention beauty and enthusiastic eagerness to please.

WHO CARES about going along with the Thai ideas of status and hierarchy, I just don't get it? Or do some posters here actually go along with those kind of ideas in their own value system?

I age with you, but I CAN answer that: it's not some classist idea of appearances, but common sense too to prefer a partner with whom you have more in common, have a similar education level, comfort zone in society (not necessarily Thai society only), experience (and an expectation of) *making* money before spending it, and so on.

Note that social background and education is the main factor here, not 'nightlife job' versus 'some other low paying job'. I would make no distinction between a typical bargirl or typical waitress, hotel staff, most shop girls, etc.

If anything those 'suddenly middle class'people (by virtue of your money) can turn out the most classiest, suddenly snubbing her 'ex-peers'.

Lived here over 10 years, nearly all the blokes I know met their partners in bars,some dont admit it, but,Its fact. Same as my first partner, then another whom I married. According to this topic so far, 19 didnt end up with a hooker, 3 did. Where are all the honest members?

Maybe those who married bar girls, think its best to keep quite about it.

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In a bar.... I find honesty so refreshing. So no, she does not have milk white skin, three degrees,

and a family packed with high ranking government officials..

I'll bet your from the land down under. No bullshit, fairdinkum bloke. No English gentleman would admit to it.

Hate to say this OP, but reading what you have written, your dynamics have changed, simple as that. It happens when you can't keep up with the party girls and you want to calm things down a bit. In another decade, it will be a different criteria for you to feel happy with.

Growing old is natural, growing up is optional................

Seems you are looking at the options.

In a bar.... I find honesty so refreshing. So no, she does not have milk white skin, three degrees,

and a family packed with high ranking government officials..

You are not telling the truth it's so difficult and unusual to meet those girls. There are at least ten Hi-So girls on each of those.

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In a bar.... I find honesty so refreshing. So no, she does not have milk white skin, three degrees,

and a family packed with high ranking government officials..

The first thai gf I had I met in the USA and she was trying to get her masters in english. Had high ranking government officials for parents and was one of the worse sluts i ever met.

That's a pretty offensive word there, don't you think women have as much right as guys to have sex just for fun?

As far as I am concerned slut applies to both sexes and she was just as bad as the sluttiest guys i knew. I guess I could have been more politically correct and used the term promiscuous but I did not think of it at the time.

Why do certain members believe all tv members are with bg or former bg, is it beyond the realm of possibility in their minds that many here may not be.

It's because in real life every white guy I meet seems to have a hooker partner.

They claim she isn't, but when I meet her she obviously is (and quite a lot appear still available).

So extrapolating my personal experience, leads me to believe, the forum members are also lying.

PS

Not all bar girls, some worked TLL, some worked coffee shop, some worked massage/bar/karaoke/brothel.

But essentially they all worked selling themselves at some time or another.

PPS

Not all, there must be some guys on the forum with non sex worker Thai partners, I probably just haven't met them yet.

And there are some forum members I know, but have never met their partner, so can't say was or wasn't.

Seems so totally bizarre to me to focus on the classist trivia rather than qualities like kindness, compassion, tolerance, patience - not to mention beauty and enthusiastic eagerness to please.

WHO CARES about going along with the Thai ideas of status and hierarchy, I just don't get it? Or do some posters here actually go along with those kind of ideas in their own value system?

But

You don't have partners as far as I can tell, just a series of sleep over lovers which you exploit (free English lessons?).

We are talking about foreign guys with a Thai wife, until death, blah, blah.

So you don't have a dog running in this race, do you (Kerry).

oooohhh having a ladies first name might explain some things. did mummy dress you as a girl until you were 6? do you read a lot of Hemmingway?

A bar in Sukumvit Soi 7...left of the yellow line.

bugger that

If I meet a woman in a bar or restaurant in the U.K., that does not make her a prostitute. Meeting a woman here in a bar or restaurant does not make her a prostitute either.

Many female groups go to bars / clubs / restaurants to celebrate birthdays amongst other things. Some even for a good night out.

The idea that all women we meet in a bar are prostitutes is pathetic.

There is a huge difference between a bar girl and a girl in a bar, though some cannot understand that, sadly.

And you don't belive people here understand the difference between a "working girl" in a bar, and a normal girl that is just a customer celebrating her birthday in a bar

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If I meet a woman in a bar or restaurant in the U.K., that does not make her a prostitute. Meeting a woman here in a bar or restaurant does not make her a prostitute either.

Many female groups go to bars / clubs / restaurants to celebrate birthdays amongst other things. Some even for a good night out.

The idea that all women we meet in a bar are prostitutes is pathetic.

There is a huge difference between a bar girl and a girl in a bar, though some cannot understand that, sadly.

So,you met your woman in a bar???

"Bar girl" here is simply a euphemism for female sex worker, often including those working in massage, coffee shops, hotel lobbies, escort agencies, barber shops etc

There are girls who frequent bars that aren't explicit sex workers, but because Thailand has this HUGE "grey area", it's pretty safe to say a girl who would hook up with a foreigner in that scene would probably be called a pro by many westerners with mainstream sexual ethics.

For myself it makes no difference, some of the most absolutely horrible SOs I've ever had had nothing to do with any aspect of the sex industry, and some of the most wonderful did.

I honestly believe the quality of your relationship has more to do with YOU, how you act, treat her, handle her and the issues important to her, more so than any "quality" of the girl herself. Avoiding relationships with sex workers might possibly increase the odds of having a good one, but IMO not by that much.

In any case, whatever floats your boat, make your bed and lie in it.

"Bar girl" here is simply a euphemism for female sex worker, often including those working in massage, coffee shops, hotel lobbies, escort agencies, barber shops etc

There are girls who frequent bars that aren't explicit sex workers, but because Thailand has this HUGE "grey area", it's pretty safe to say a girl who would hook up with a foreigner in that scene would probably be called a pro by many westerners with mainstream sexual ethics.

For myself it makes no difference, some of the most absolutely horrible SOs I've ever had had nothing to do with any aspect of the sex industry, and some of the most wonderful did.

I honestly believe the quality of your relationship has more to do with YOU, how you act, treat her, handle her and the issues important to her, more so than any "quality" of the girl herself. Avoiding relationships with sex workers might possibly increase the odds of having a good one, but IMO not by that much.

In any case, whatever floats your boat, make your bed and lie in it.

I do agree with you, but being soft with her is asking for disaster.

hence "handle"

don't like iron fist, so maybe firm hand on the tiller, in a velvet glove

girls don't like it when their guy is too soft anyway

In a bar.... I find honesty so refreshing. So no, she does not have milk white skin, three degrees,

and a family packed with high ranking government officials..

I'll bet your from the land down under. No bullshit, fairdinkum bloke. No English gentleman would admit to it.

Nope, a bit north of the equator..... :-) America.....

When I was single, bowling alleys in Bangkok were full of young single ladies

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For myself it makes no difference, some of the most absolutely horrible SOs I've ever had had nothing to do with any aspect of the sex industry, and some of the most wonderful did.

I honestly believe the quality of your relationship has more to do with YOU, how you act, treat her, handle her and the issues important to her, more so than any "quality" of the girl herself. Avoiding relationships with sex workers might possibly increase the odds of having a good one, but IMO not by that much.

Sounds like you want to be a white knight, and want a prostitute for a wife / partner. Please they are not for that purpose

suthansman, on 24 Jan 2014 - 14:29, said:

If I meet a woman in a bar or restaurant in the U.K., that does not make her a prostitute. Meeting a woman here in a bar or restaurant does not make her a prostitute either.

Many female groups go to bars / clubs / restaurants to celebrate birthdays amongst other things. Some even for a good night out.

The idea that all women we meet in a bar are prostitutes is pathetic.

There is a huge difference between a bar girl and a girl in a bar, though some cannot understand that, sadly.

Yep, one can repeatedly carry drink laden trays all night, the other can't. 'Girl with benefits' I think they call it now, especially for the drinkers...........

I was told this was the most dangerous question to ask a man in Thailand, so I don't

I assume they all have a past, because, they all do

better off being happy if you like her, and not bother with the past

Lived here over 10 years, nearly all the blokes I know met their partners in bars,some dont admit it, but,Its fact. Same as my first partner, then another whom I married. According to this topic so far, 19 didnt end up with a hooker, 3 did. Where are all the honest members?

In the bar..l

For myself it makes no difference, some of the most absolutely horrible SOs I've ever had had nothing to do with any aspect of the sex industry, and some of the most wonderful did.

I honestly believe the quality of your relationship has more to do with YOU, how you act, treat her, handle her and the issues important to her, more so than any "quality" of the girl herself. Avoiding relationships with sex workers might possibly increase the odds of having a good one, but IMO not by that much.

Sounds like you want to be a white knight, and want a prostitute for a wife / partner. Please they are not for that purpose

No believe me I'm mostly motivated by self-interest, I just believe that interest is best served by a fair exchange of value in all areas of my life, at least as much as I can manage.

Sometimes I give more than I get, I believe what goes around comes around, will get it back from someone else another time, but I never put myself in a position where my long-term financial security is at risk.

And I don't judge people based on their choices of work, what they choose to do with their own body if they're not hurting anyone, sex workers are just as much valuable people as any other job category, more so than many bankers and lawyers IMO, people making a living off of the misery of others selling drugs or alcohol, setting up insurance scams etc.

You are of course free to choose yourself what different categories of people you want to live with, marry or otherwise associate with on whatever basis you like.

But "they are not for that purpose" is a fundamentally wrong way to talk about any category of human being IMO.

For myself it makes no difference, some of the most absolutely horrible SOs I've ever had had nothing to do with any aspect of the sex industry, and some of the most wonderful did.

I honestly believe the quality of your relationship has more to do with YOU, how you act, treat her, handle her and the issues important to her, more so than any "quality" of the girl herself. Avoiding relationships with sex workers might possibly increase the odds of having a good one, but IMO not by that much.

Sounds like you want to be a white knight, and want a prostitute for a wife / partner. Please they are not for that purpose

No believe me I'm mostly motivated by self-interest, I just believe that interest is best served by a fair exchange of value in all areas of my life, at least as much as I can manage.

Sometimes I give more than I get, I believe what goes around comes around, will get it back from someone else another time, but I never put myself in a position where my long-term financial security is at risk.

And I don't judge people based on their choices of work, what they choose to do with their own body if they're not hurting anyone, sex workers are just as much valuable people as any other job category, more so than many bankers and lawyers IMO, people making a living off of the misery of others selling drugs or alcohol, setting up insurance scams etc.

You are of course free to choose yourself what different categories of people you want to live with, marry or otherwise associate with on whatever basis you like.

But "they are not for that purpose" is a fundamentally wrong way to talk about any category of human being IMO.

Suggested name change,Thaivisa to Wynvisa. No hobbies Wyn?

Lots of guys meet their GFs in other places than bars (laundries, restaurants, not working etc..) however a lot of these girls are looking for the same thing than the BGs, have had the same upbringing, have kids from previous relationships back home and will expect the same type of support from a farang, so at the end of the day it doesn't matter that much.

I've heard of a guy being screwed over by a receptionist, and met another one who had to kick out his girl as her demands were ridiculous and she worked in a market.

It's not "Bar Girl = Bad" vs "Non-Bar Girl = Good", God if it were that simple...