simple1 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If as you say more Westen foreigners moving into the area, would be a good defence mechanism to minimalise being 'approached' I hear this arguemnt a lot and find it total nonsense! I have live & worked in the M.E. & other muslim countries and local girls still get hassled. Most men looking for ladies know where & when to approach said targets....... other posts removed to enable reply. Does your response apply to Thailand? I know a number of Thai Muslim/Buddhist women, including my wife, who are completely over being approached by Western men when going about their daily lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If as you say more Westen foreigners moving into the area, would be a good defence mechanism to minimalise being 'approached' I hear this arguemnt a lot and find it total nonsense! I have live & worked in the M.E. & other muslim countries and local girls still get hassled. Most men looking for ladies know where & when to approach said targets....... other posts removed to enable reply. Does your response apply to Thailand? I know a number of Thai Muslim/Buddhist women, including my wife, who are completely over being approached by Western men when going about their daily lives. Yes & I stand by it, not to be dissmisive of your wifes complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simple1 Posted January 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2014 "To be honest, I really like the attitude of the Muslim women in covering up a little bit at a time when the rest of the world seems to be awash in outrageous narcissistic behavior and digital porn." Fully, absolutely, completely, 100%, entirely, totally disagree. I fully, absolutely, completely, 100%, entirely, totally (and I will raise you one 'wholeheartedly') suspect that you don't have any daughters.... i have one ( 19 now) and find it strange that at any women would submit to allowing her husband/.father/etc telling her she has to cover her face and body. Guys the point i was making is here in Kamala i see more of the moslem younger girls wearing the head scarf now vs a few years ago., There are not more moving into Kamala, just more covering up. My wife is a Thai Muslim & only wears the hijab when attending Muslim festivales, wedding and funerals. She has commented on the increasing use of the hijab during daily life and in her view, in the Thai context, being proud to be Muslim, nothing to do with family pressure etc; you would assume there would be exceptions. Very few wear the burkha, but again quoting wife's views "ugly". NB: For those who are so inclined, kindly desist from posting bigoted/flame/troll posts; it's all been said before... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I fully, absolutely, completely, 100%, entirely, totally (and I will raise you one 'wholeheartedly') suspect that you don't have any daughters.... i have one ( 19 now) and find it strange that at any women would submit to allowing her husband/.father/etc telling her she has to cover her face and body. Guys the point i was making is here in Kamala i see more of the moslem younger girls wearing the head scarf now vs a few years ago., There are not more moving into Kamala, just more covering up. My wife is a Thai Muslim & only wears the hijab when attending Muslim festivales, wedding and funerals. She has commented on the increasing use of the hijab during daily life and in her view, in the Thai context, being proud to be Muslim, nothing to do with family pressure etc; you would assume there would be exceptions. Very few wear the burkha, but again quoting wife's views "ugly". NB: For those who are so inclined, kindly desist from posting bigoted/flame/troll posts; it's all been said before... Are you also Muslim? NB many of my staff follow the same principle as your wife... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post simple1 Posted January 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2014 I fully, absolutely, completely, 100%, entirely, totally (and I will raise you one 'wholeheartedly') suspect that you don't have any daughters.... i have one ( 19 now) and find it strange that at any women would submit to allowing her husband/.father/etc telling her she has to cover her face and body. Guys the point i was making is here in Kamala i see more of the moslem younger girls wearing the head scarf now vs a few years ago., There are not more moving into Kamala, just more covering up. My wife is a Thai Muslim & only wears the hijab when attending Muslim festivales, wedding and funerals. She has commented on the increasing use of the hijab during daily life and in her view, in the Thai context, being proud to be Muslim, nothing to do with family pressure etc; you would assume there would be exceptions. Very few wear the burkha, but again quoting wife's views "ugly". NB: For those who are so inclined, kindly desist from posting bigoted/flame/troll posts; it's all been said before... Are you also Muslim? NB many of my staff follow the same principle as your wife... I have answered the question before in another topic some while back and was inundated with very negative & misinformed responses; all were removed by the Mods.. However, out of curtesy, I will reply, but will not respond to any follow up questions. My wifes mother dying wishes, I was present, were that if were going to get married I would undertake the ceremony conducted by the local Imam, so I did, this was 18 years ago. I attend the weddings and funeral's for close family members, but I do not follow the Islamic faith/practice other that not consuming pork products in the family house. My wife and and her family and friends know this and the only comment is that they are OK as I respect them & they respect me. Personally I suscribe to Vedanta philosophy that has resonated with me for many years, my wife was fully aware of my interest in Vedanta prior to marriage. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 "To be honest, I really like the attitude of the Muslim women in covering up a little bit at a time when the rest of the world seems to be awash in outrageous narcissistic behavior and digital porn." Fully, absolutely, completely, 100%, entirely, totally disagree. your disagreement is very disturbing. i'm not sure whether i will have a good night's sleep for days nights to come. please reconsider! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eezergood Posted January 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2014 Are you also Muslim? NB many of my staff follow the same principle as your wife... I have answered the question before in another topic some while back and was inundated with very negative & misinformed responses; all were removed by the Mods.. However, out of curtesy, I will reply, but will not respond to any follow up questions. My wifes mother dying wishes, I was present, were that if were going to get married I would undertake the ceremony conducted by the local Imam, so I did, this was 18 years ago. I attend the weddings and funeral's for close family members, but I do not follow the Islamic faith/practice other that not consuming pork products in the family house. My wife and and her family and friends know this and the only comment is that they are OK as I respect them & they respect me. Personally I suscribe to Vedanta philosophy that has resonated with me for many years, my wife was fully aware of my interest in Vedanta prior to marriage. I was only asking, I personally have no time for any of it... but each to their own. The one caveat I do have is that anything remotely negative regarding Islam/Muslims is knee jerkingly over reacted to GLOBALLY these days, whereas all the other religions seem fair game! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 The one caveat I do have is that anything remotely negative regarding Islam/Muslims is knee jerkingly over reacted to GLOBALLY these days, whereas all the other religions seem fair game! Off topic; Not such a potentially extreme reaction as some Muslims, but... Try a general insult to those of the Jewish & Hindu faiths that is then picked up by the global media, watch the response. Insult Buddhism in Thailand & you would be subject to arrest & jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post eezergood Posted January 31, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2014 The one caveat I do have is that anything remotely negative regarding Islam/Muslims is knee jerkingly over reacted to GLOBALLY these days, whereas all the other religions seem fair game! Off topic; Not such a potentially extreme reaction as some Muslims, but... Try a general insult to those of the Jewish & Hindu faiths that is then picked up by the global media, watch the response. Insult Buddhism in Thailand & you would be subject to arrest & jail. I see & read people ridiculing the amulet wearing practice constantly here on this forum, the fact they still are posting would indicate that they didnt get arrested. I still stand by my words that the world, at large, is super sensitive to the Islamic faith & its potential to uspet it followers. Whereas, Christiantity for example, it mocked with reckless abandon. Pious people, to me, seem to be some of the least tolerant folks around........ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beechbum Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) The one caveat I do have is that anything remotely negative regarding Islam/Muslims is knee jerkingly over reacted to GLOBALLY these days, whereas all the other religions seem fair game! Off topic; Not such a potentially extreme reaction as some Muslims, but... Try a general insult to those of the Jewish & Hindu faiths that is then picked up by the global media, watch the response. Insult Buddhism in Thailand & you would be subject to arrest & jail. I see & read people ridiculing the amulet wearing practice constantly here on this forum, the fact they still are posting would indicate that they didnt get arrested. I still stand by my words that the world, at large, is super sensitive to the Islamic faith & its potential to uspet it followers. Whereas, Christiantity for example, it mocked with reckless abandon. Pious people, to me, seem to be some of the least tolerant folks around........ Totally agree, to state otherwise is a bit strange, it's pretty obvious to anyone who follows the world media. (Not a religious person myself apart from the occasional trip to the Wat to keep the family happy, each to their own and all that) Edited January 31, 2014 by beechbum 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) The one caveat I do have is that anything remotely negative regarding Islam/Muslims is knee jerkingly over reacted to GLOBALLY these days, whereas all the other religions seem fair game! Off topic; Not such a potentially extreme reaction as some Muslims, but... Try a general insult to those of the Jewish & Hindu faiths that is then picked up by the global media, watch the response. Insult Buddhism in Thailand & you would be subject to arrest & jail. I see & read people ridiculing the amulet wearing practice constantly here on this forum, the fact they still are posting would indicate that they didnt get arrested. I still stand by my words that the world, at large, is super sensitive to the Islamic faith & its potential to uspet it followers. Whereas, Christiantity for example, it mocked with reckless abandon. Pious people, to me, seem to be some of the least tolerant folks around........ I said 'insult Buddhism'; to be clear: The 1962 Sangha Act specifically prohibits the defamation or insult of Buddhism and the Buddhist clergy. Violators of the law could face up to 1 year imprisonment or fines of up to $5,800 (188,000 baht). I believe this also applies to the major faiths protected by the Thai Constiution and probably the Computer Crime Act. I could be wrong. but why do you think insults to an entire religion or a people are removed by the Mods? Edited January 31, 2014 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Off topic; Not such a potentially extreme reaction as some Muslims, but... Try a general insult to those of the Jewish & Hindu faiths that is then picked up by the global media, watch the response. Insult Buddhism in Thailand & you would be subject to arrest & jail. I see & read people ridiculing the amulet wearing practice constantly here on this forum, the fact they still are posting would indicate that they didnt get arrested. I still stand by my words that the world, at large, is super sensitive to the Islamic faith & its potential to uspet it followers. Whereas, Christiantity for example, it mocked with reckless abandon. Pious people, to me, seem to be some of the least tolerant folks around........ I said 'insult Buddhism'; to be clear: The 1962 Sangha Act specifically prohibits the defamation or insult of Buddhism and the Buddhist clergy. Violators of the law could face up to 1 year imprisonment or fines of up to $5,800 (188,000 baht). I believe this also applies to the major faiths protected by the Thai Constiution and probably the Computer Crime Act. I could be wrong. but why do you think insults to an entire religion or a people are removed by the Mods? I wonder how well that law is enforced........ But surely its not a leap too far to get from amulet wearing to buddhism...... To get back to the OP - I believe the world in general is simply more mixed, people feel more free to express themselves however. Look at the populatity of Tattoos, at one time a taboo whereas now they are pure art. I see the religion & by extension its 'fashion' as one and the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreandre Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Off topic; Not such a potentially extreme reaction as some Muslims, but... Try a general insult to those of the Jewish & Hindu faiths that is then picked up by the global media, watch the response. Insult Buddhism in Thailand & you would be subject to arrest & jail. I see & read people ridiculing the amulet wearing practice constantly here on this forum, the fact they still are posting would indicate that they didnt get arrested. I still stand by my words that the world, at large, is super sensitive to the Islamic faith & its potential to uspet it followers. Whereas, Christiantity for example, it mocked with reckless abandon. Pious people, to me, seem to be some of the least tolerant folks around........ I said 'insult Buddhism'; to be clear: The 1962 Sangha Act specifically prohibits the defamation or insult of Buddhism and the Buddhist clergy. Violators of the law could face up to 1 year imprisonment or fines of up to $5,800 (188,000 baht). I believe this also applies to the major faiths protected by the Thai Constiution and probably the Computer Crime Act. I could be wrong. but why do you think insults to an entire religion or a people are removed by the Mods? I wonder how well that law is enforced........ But surely its not a leap too far to get from amulet wearing to buddhism...... To get back to the OP - I believe the world in general is simply more mixed, people feel more free to express themselves however. Look at the populatity of Tattoos, at one time a taboo whereas now they are pure art. I see the religion & by extension its 'fashion' as one and the same. Many countries in Europe apparently don't see this religion as fashion at all..more like a takeover of their own ideals/lifestyles...but shhhh you must not make comment about it... I agree 100% with what you said earlier: I still stand by my words that the world, at large, is super sensitive to the Islamic faith & its potential to uspet it followers. Whereas, Christiantity for example, it mocked with reckless abandon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sms747 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 My wife is a Thai Muslim & only wears the hijab when attending Muslim festivales, wedding and funerals. She has commented on the increasing use of the hijab during daily life and in her view, in the Thai context, being proud to be Muslim, nothing to do with family pressure etc; you would assume there would be exceptions. Very few wear the burkha, but again quoting wife's views "ugly". .. Considering the continued slaughterer in the South of Thailand of Buddhists by Moslem (extremists if you must) how can any Thai Muslim be 'proud'. Just what is there to be proud of in a Thai context or not in being a Muslim? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sms747 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I fully, absolutely, completely, 100%, entirely, totally (and I will raise you one 'wholeheartedly') suspect that you don't have any daughters.... i have one ( 19 now) and find it strange that at any women would submit to allowing her husband/.father/etc telling her she has to cover her face and body. Guys the point i was making is here in Kamala i see more of the moslem younger girls wearing the head scarf now vs a few years ago., There are not more moving into Kamala, just more covering up. My wife is a Thai Muslim & only wears the hijab when attending Muslim festivales, wedding and funerals. She has commented on the increasing use of the hijab during daily life and in her view, in the Thai context, being proud to be Muslim, nothing to do with family pressure etc; you would assume there would be exceptions. Very few wear the burkha, but again quoting wife's views "ugly". NB: For those who are so inclined, kindly desist from posting bigoted/flame/troll posts; it's all been said before... Are you also Muslim? NB many of my staff follow the same principle as your wife... Of course you have to convert to marry a true muslim, which means circumcision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 My wife is a Thai Muslim & only wears the hijab when attending Muslim festivales, wedding and funerals. She has commented on the increasing use of the hijab during daily life and in her view, in the Thai context, being proud to be Muslim, nothing to do with family pressure etc; you would assume there would be exceptions. Very few wear the burkha, but again quoting wife's views "ugly". .. Considering the continued slaughterer in the South of Thailand of Buddhists by Moslem (extremists if you must) how can any Thai Muslim be 'proud'. Just what is there to be proud of in a Thai context or not in being a Muslim? The majority of deaths in the deep South are within the Thai Muslim population. You will find the vast majority of Thai Muslims are not onside with the insurgent killings and want it to cease. They also wish the continuing extraducial killing and use of torture by Thai security forces to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sms747 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 My wife is a Thai Muslim & only wears the hijab when attending Muslim festivales, wedding and funerals. She has commented on the increasing use of the hijab during daily life and in her view, in the Thai context, being proud to be Muslim, nothing to do with family pressure etc; you would assume there would be exceptions. Very few wear the burkha, but again quoting wife's views "ugly". .. Considering the continued slaughterer in the South of Thailand of Buddhists by Moslem (extremists if you must) how can any Thai Muslim be 'proud'. Just what is there to be proud of in a Thai context or not in being a Muslim? The majority of deaths in the deep South are within the Thai Muslim population. You will find the vast majority of Thai Muslims are not onside with the insurgent killings and want it to cease. They also wish the continuing extraducial killing and use of torture by Thai security forces to stop. So what is there to be proud of in being a Thai Muslim then? if as you claim they are killing more of their own surely that makes it even less a reason to be proud. But then there were plenty of proud nazis who were against nazi atrocities, did not make the belief system any less evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) My wife is a Thai Muslim & only wears the hijab when attending Muslim festivales, wedding and funerals. She has commented on the increasing use of the hijab during daily life and in her view, in the Thai context, being proud to be Muslim, nothing to do with family pressure etc; you would assume there would be exceptions. Very few wear the burkha, but again quoting wife's views "ugly". Considering the continued slaughterer in the South of Thailand of Buddhists by Moslem (extremists if you must) how can any Thai Muslim be 'proud'. Just what is there to be proud of in a Thai context or not in being a Muslim? The majority of deaths in the deep South are within the Thai Muslim population. You will find the vast majority of Thai Muslims are not onside with the insurgent killings and want it to cease. They also wish the continuing extraducial killing and use of torture by Thai security forces to stop. So what is there to be proud of in being a Thai Muslim then? if as you claim they are killing more of their own surely that makes it even less a reason to be proud. But then there were plenty of proud nazis who were against nazi atrocities, did not make the belief system any less evil. You are talking about the acts of individuals & believe it or not acting contrary to the Islamic faith. You would be surprised the numbers of Buddhists who have converted to Islam, at least in my area, as they admire the way Muslims live in their day to day lives with dignity and honesty. This has become a circular argument and very off topic, so no further comment. Edited February 10, 2014 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sms747 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 You have not answered the question about being proud of a faith that hates homosexuality, represses woman and that was spread by violence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 You have not answered the question about being proud of a faith that hates homosexuality, represses woman and that was spread by violence And so does Christianity.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 You have not answered the question about being proud of a faith that hates homosexuality, represses woman and that was spread by violence And so does Christianity.. and Buddhism is inherently sexist..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sms747 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) You have not answered the question about being proud of a faith that hates homosexuality, represses woman and that was spread by violence And so does Christianity.. There is no death penalty for homosexuals in any Christian country, also no Christian country stones adulterers and 'witches' to death, in no Christian country do rape victims need four witnesses, are not allowed to drive or where apostates and 'blasphemers' are sentenced to death. But all these things are done in the name of the most merciful and compassionate one (who does not exist). It's not the fault of a few followers, it's the fault of mindless brainwashing based on a book full of lies. Sure will all know some good and moderate Muslims, but that does not alter the fact that the faith is divisive and has bred violence when people take it literally, instead of the fairy tale it really is. Just what is their to be proud of in this religion which proves itself daily as being the most intolerant on earth?? Edited February 10, 2014 by sms747 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sms747 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 this wont last long but Pat says it so well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoxVkGHzI0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezergood Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 You have not answered the question about being proud of a faith that hates homosexuality, represses woman and that was spread by violence And so does Christianity.. There is no death penalty for homosexuals in any Christian country, also no Christian country stones adulterers and 'witches' to death, in no Christian country do rape victims need four witnesses, are not allowed to drive or where apostates and 'blasphemers' are sentenced to death. But all these things are done in the name of the most merciful and compassionate one (who does not exist). It's not the fault of a few followers, it's the fault of mindless brainwashing based on a book full of lies. Sure will all know some good and moderate Muslims, but that does not alter the fact that the faith is divisive and has bred violence when people take it literally, instead of the fairy tale it really is. Just what is their to be proud of in this religion which proves itself daily as being the most intolerant on earth?? Agreed BUT - look at the crusades.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) You have not answered the question about being proud of a faith that hates homosexuality, represses woman and that was spread by violence And so does Christianity.. There is no death penalty for homosexuals in any Christian country, also no Christian country stones adulterers and 'witches' to death, in no Christian country do rape victims need four witnesses, are not allowed to drive or where apostates and 'blasphemers' are sentenced to death. But all these things are done in the name of the most merciful and compassionate one (who does not exist). It's not the fault of a few followers, it's the fault of mindless brainwashing based on a book full of lies. Sure will all know some good and moderate Muslims, but that does not alter the fact that the faith is divisive and has bred violence when people take it literally, instead of the fairy tale it really is. Just what is their to be proud of in this religion which proves itself daily as being the most intolerant on earth?? True, no death penalty in Christian countries, but it was very close with Uganda enacting the law & then changed to life in prison. US Christian evangalists have been very active in African countries & I assume elsewhere in pushing for harsh anti gay laws. Edited February 10, 2014 by simple1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 You have not answered the question about being proud of a faith that hates homosexuality, represses woman and that was spread by violence And so does Christianity.. There is no death penalty for homosexuals in any Christian country, also no Christian country stones adulterers and 'witches' to death, in no Christian country do rape victims need four witnesses, are not allowed to drive or where apostates and 'blasphemers' are sentenced to death. But all these things are done in the name of the most merciful and compassionate one (who does not exist). It's not the fault of a few followers, it's the fault of mindless brainwashing based on a book full of lies. Sure will all know some good and moderate Muslims, but that does not alter the fact that the faith is divisive and has bred violence when people take it literally, instead of the fairy tale it really is. Just what is their to be proud of in this religion which proves itself daily as being the most intolerant on earth?? All religions are hanging on to ancient beliefs, some more than others, and are opposing modern developments/sentiments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 No I dont (I lived on the outskirts of Bradford UK before I came here) Do you mean Bradfordstan ? Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreandre Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 this wont last long but Pat says it so well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoxVkGHzI0 He is 100% correct, sadly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LivinginKata Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 You all have moved a very long way from the original poster's topic about Muslim's in Kamala. Now it's just open season for Muslim bashing on a global basis. Time to close //CLOSED// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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