The unkindest cut of all, maybe - maybe not.

[David48]

The unkindest cut of all, maybe - maybe not ... yes, that ageless classic Parental Dilemma ... Circumcision.

Now, before this goes any further ... I'm only interested in hearing replies from couples who have 1/2 Thai/Western Kids.

If you don't have them ... please don't bother to reply ... there will be other soapboxes for you espouse your ideals, moralities and opinions.

If the Moderation Team could keep a close watch on this ... that would be warmly appreciated ...

So, we've just had TWIN Boys ... it's been a richly rewarding experience for both of us.

They will grow up in the West, but once they they are men ... the choice will be theirs as to where and how they live their lives ... we just wish to give them the best start we can.

Naturally, the question of Circumcision as raised it's head (no pun intended).

Both myself and my partner have an open mind on the subject.

To help us decide what we should do, it would be great to hear from others who, in the past, have been faced with this issue, what you contemplated and what was the eventual decision?

It's a sensitive and delicate issue to negotiate ... but we are open to others experiences and look forward to hearing from you.

Thanks in Advance.

David48 and MissFarmGirl

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[nonthaburial]

There was a similar post some time back on this very subject. I am too busy to research it, but I am sure you can. But in my opinion, forgetting politics, religion, cleanliness etc, this is no difference to Female Genital Mutilation. It's cruel and barbaric, not to say fxxxxg painful. And for what ?

As a younger lad, I.e years ago whilst in the military, one of the guys in my bunk room, very much overdid the natural one night, he was so badly hurt that he was medically forced into a circumcision, he was in agony for two months, bed ridden, and in the end had to be medically discharged.

There you are two sides to the discussion. Make your own minds up

Edited February 15, 2014 by nonthaburial

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

No.

Leave them as nature created them.

Simple as that.

[David48]

^^nonthaburial, thanks for that.

I did a search for similar subjects (recently) and found only two asking where it could be done.

circumcision in the Isaan Forum

and ... circumcision-in-or-close-to-mukdahan

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

A mate had to have it done in his 20's. He said the difference in sexual sensation is sadly night and day.

Read this.

http://sciencenordic.com/male-circumcision-leads-bad-sex-life

and put the thoughts of doing it to bed.

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

btw, if you were thinking of doing it for some sort of believed medical or health nonsense, then instead of doing it educate them about it in 18 or 20 years times and let them decide.

[Farma]

Back in the day when I was born in Oz it was standard practice to cut.

When my now late teenage half Thai son was born in Oz the hospital didn't offer the proceedure. I believe it's only done under special circumstances now. It was also something his mother and I never considered having done as doctors never raised the issue.

I can't remember him having any medical problems from not being cut and it hasn't stopped the girls chasing after him.

There are lots of arguments for and against but if i had another son I would do the same and not have him cut.

Edit to add.. Just thinking, with hospitals not performing circumcisions, if you do have your boys cut in years to come they will look out of place in the locker room.

I also know a guy who planning to marry a Muslim woman went ahead with circumcision aged in his late 20's. He was in pain for weeks and later said it didn't make much difference. As it turned out he never married her. She had someone else on the side.

Edited February 15, 2014 by Farma

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

I think we've kind of evolved perfectly well over the last few million of years. If foreskin was in some way bad we wouldn't have it.

If you for some reason feel the need to 'cut them', hold back and let them decide for themselves when they come of age.

Being uncircumcised myself I find the whole thing completely barbaric and cruel, not only to them when it is done, but for the rest of their lives.

Edited February 15, 2014 by Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee

[RubbaJohnny]

Well there's nothing like experience,before irreparable action on the unwitting, why don't you try and get back to us with the benefits or drawbacks?

[Boo]

Not common in thailand at all nor most of the civilised world. As another poster said, do it yourself first to get a sense on what your currently perfectly formed sons will experience.

[David48]

Thanks for the comments above ... but frankly ... none of is what I am looking for.

A morality debate ... can be done elsewhere.

So ... from the OP, I'll even underline the important bit ...

Now, before this goes any further ... I'm only interested in hearing replies from couples who have 1/2 Thai/Western Kids.

If I get no replies from recent parents who have contemplated this ... no problems.

It takes a brave person, to discuss on an open forum this topic ... hopefully there are some out there.

[Boo]

I do have a half thai son, he is perfectly intact as neither his thai father nor I would ever consider changing that. I just asked his thai dad if he thought it a good idea and his response was, I don't hate my son. So take from that what you will.

[manarak]

Phimosis.

Can't believe nobody mentioned it - OP, incase you decide against circumcision, make at least sure your son does not have phimosis, i.e. is unable to uncover his glans without pain.

[Thai at Heart]

Not needed from the thai perspective, so unless you have some desire or religious need to do this, why bother .

Mankind has survived millions of years without having their pecker altered.

[krisb]

Certain topics imo should just be decided by the parents in privacy, perhaps researching the topic pros and cons online and speaking with medical experts if it helps.

I remember the last thread on this subject and it had those who are against it calling those for it barbaric parents. It just got ugly and quite angry, and really it's no ones business what parents decide for their own kids.

David I wish you MFG and the lads all the best with whatever you guys decide, I know it will be the right decision.

[David48]

I do have a half thai son, he is perfectly intact as neither his thai father nor I would ever consider changing that. I just asked his thai dad if he thought it a good idea and his response was, I don't hate my son. So take from that what you will.

Boo, thanks for this ... it's a great reply.

I just get a little frustrated with the forum sometimes when you ask an honest question from people have faced a similar decision ... and the Lesbian Gay Whale Movement show up (insert anyone with an agenda) and try and hijack the thread with their nonsense.

What is slightly different for us is that the kids will be living in the West for maybe the first 20 years of their lives (we don't plan to live in Thailand, due mainly to the schooling system) and maybe all their adult life.

Hence the question and hopefully some insightful answers from parents.

Thanks also for the other three replies above ... appreciated ...

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[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

Phimosis.

Can't believe nobody mentioned it - OP, incase you decide against circumcision, make at least sure your son does not have phimosis, i.e. is unable to uncover his glans without pain.

I guess that is what I probably had until the age of 13 or 14. My foreskin was too tight to pull back even a little bit until then.

By the age of 16 it would come back fully and completely, completely (I suppose the word is) elasticated.

Of course during those years it was ahem, exercised, about 17 times daily.

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

What is slightly different for us is that the kids will be living in the West for maybe the first 20 years of their lives (we don't plan to live in Thailand, due mainly to the schooling system) and maybe all their adult life.

So you are considering it based on geography?

[Patsycat]

Phimosis.

Can't believe nobody mentioned it - OP, incase you decide against circumcision, make at least sure your son does not have phimosis, i.e. is unable to uncover his glans without pain.

My nephew in the UK, had to have this done at the age of seven. Was in a lot of discomfort before, a lot of pain during and after the operation.

He is now 36. And healthy.

If you are going to get it done, do it now when they are babies. Do not wait or have to wait until they are older.

But, as others have said, it is your decision and private.

BTW, do they have names yet???

Edited February 16, 2014 by Patsycat

[David48]

BTW, do they have names yet???

Jackson and Breydon.

We are using my Family name, and it's monosyllabic ... so a bi or trisyllabic Christian name sounds better.

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

A very pertinent question.

Do they have phimosis?

btw, I believe that using warm soapy bath water at bathtime to gently elasticate the foreskin if it is tight is a common procedure should you feel there are any issues.

As I've said my foreskin wouldn't retract even a tiny bit until I was 12 or 13.

By 16 it couldn't have been more elasticated if it was made out of warm rubber.

[eezergood]

As a child I suffered, so I am told, with a terrible infection of the penis & i was not circumcised....

That said, my wife and I both strongly believe in leaving him as nature intended - un cut! I was warned by a friens that a certain Dr, was keen to cut, I warned him if he cut my son I would cut him! Its the most out of date form of body modification I can think of.

He is of course half thai....

[FritsSikkink]

Thanks for the comments above ... but frankly ... none of is what I am looking for.

So you are only looking for answers that confirm what you want to do anyway.

[David48]

Thanks for the comments above ... but frankly ... none of is what I am looking for.

So you are only looking for answers that confirm what you want to do anyway.

Geeze ... how straightforward do you have to with some people ...

I've said this twice thus far ...

Now, before this goes any further ... I'm only interested in hearing replies from couples who have 1/2 Thai/Western Kids.

When I wrote that quoted line (which has been taken out of context) ... none of the replies then had been from ... couples who have identified themselves as having 1/2 Thai/Western Kids.

Again ... both my partner and I have an open mind on the issue.

I also expected better of those who 'liked' your comment.

Maybe I am too much of an optimist ... but I thought that on this Forum, we did our best to help the members ... not judge them ...

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[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

Which posters on here do you think don't have a 1/2 Thai Western kid?

I didn't know we were legally obliged to confess to having one before posting. Just to get the disclaimer out of the way mine is 11 months old.

Edited February 17, 2014 by Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee

[Khon Thai Ben Khon Dee]

This is also a pertinent quote:

A very pertinent question.

Do they have phimosis?

Or any other medical problem?

Answering would likely get you more insightful information.

[David48]

Mate, they were born 3 weeks ago @ 34 weeks.

Being premie TWINS ... they have lot's of issues.

[David48]

For those interested, while it's not a final decision, most likely we will leave them intact as that does seem to be the way the World is today.

[FiftyTwo]

I do have a half thai son, he is perfectly intact as neither his thai father nor I would ever consider changing that. I just asked his thai dad if he thought it a good idea and his response was, I don't hate my son. So take from that what you will.

Boo, thanks for this ... it's a great reply.

I just get a little frustrated with the forum sometimes when you ask an honest question from people have faced a similar decision ... and the Lesbian Gay Whale Movement show up (insert anyone with an agenda) and try and hijack the thread with their nonsense.

What is slightly different for us is that the kids will be living in the West for maybe the first 20 years of their lives (we don't plan to live in Thailand, due mainly to the schooling system) and maybe all their adult life.

Hence the question and hopefully some insightful answers from parents.

Thanks also for the other three replies above ... appreciated ...

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Not sure why you would even think about it.

Unless you are Jewish or Muslim.

It's not normal in most of the western world (hardly anyone in the UK has it done).

Edited February 17, 2014 by FiftyTwo

[Shancloudy]

Can I send a private message about my opinion?