Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search

[Farma]

Malaysian Prime Minister holding news conference at 2pmGMT/10pmKL.

It'll be interesting to see what developments will come out of this meeting.

Sky news is claiming sources have told them charter planes are being readied to fly relatives to Australia.

[Asiantravel]

With the world particularly sensitive to any news involving stray and/or missing Boeing 777 airplanes, especially if said massive stray airplane is heading toward the Nuclear security summit taking place at the Hague, it is no surprise that the news which appeared about an hour ago that two Dutch F-16s were scrambled to intercept a unresponsive Boeing 777 in Dutch airspace, received such a prompt response.

Dutch RTL News reports:

From the Brabant Volkel airbase, two F-16s took off to intercept a freighter. It would be a cargo plane, a Boeing 777F LAN Cargo, which was en route to the airport. The unit flew from Miami in Dutch airspace and they could not connect to the device.

http://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/twee-f-16s-onderscheppen-vrachttoestel

[NanLaew]

The engine 'ping' data via Inmarsat indicates two possible routes. Because it is non- GPS data and not triangulated, it has no unique position, only a range of positions. It is a 'join the dots' exercise between each ping that has been extrapolated into these arcs that prescribe the most likely search areas. The pings mean the plane kept flying or, the engines were still running, until the last ping. That last ping is coincident with the endurance of the plane, ie. when it was expected to run out of fuel. If the plane had flown by the Maldives and on to Diego Garcia, I think the arc would be much closer, almost below the Inmarsat Indian Ocean Region (IOR) satellite; remember, these pings are range data only. The next Inmarsat satellite covers the Pacific (POR) but unfortunately and critically, the supposed arc of travel of the missing aircraft falls outside the footprint of that satellite, otherwise some poor mans triangulation could have further narrowed the search zone, ie. two sets of independent range data. Inmarsat is a commercial satellite communications provider, not military and their release of this information was direct from them, not via any concerned governments mouthpiece.

None of the overflight countries on the northern route (and significantly China had the most overflight exposure if it happened) have any reported radar indication that the plane flew over them, either commercial or military. Debatable since there's always a doubt based on each country's stated abilities and what they don't want their neighbours to know they are operating. I think India (?) has already admitted that their military radar 'may have been turned off' at the time which could be synonymous with it being un-monitored, out of service or possibly non-existent in the first place.

There's no radar coverage on the southern route.

So with no declared or published evidence from radar systems over the northern route versus the absolute certainty of there being any radar evidence from the southern route, where would you propose searching?

[marcusd]

News coming in ... Families to be flown to,Perth. Australia. Malaysian PM to MAKE announcement. Australian captain of plane went to briefing and no,usual news conference today.

HMAS SUCCESS about to rendez vous with flares dropped by the Orion. Next few hours... Hopefully the poor relatives with have something to now get some peace.

Next questions..how and why?

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[OZEMADE]

I know the difference between shipping containers and an aircraft or aircraft debris. That's more that you can say for the Aussie leader who said adamantly that they had found it.

Can you provide any kind of link where Abbott has said they have anything but reports of unidentified objects and that they have yet to be verified?

Even the stuff they have had eyes on today has not been stated as being part of the aircraft, simply that they are sending a ship to find it.

Added: An Aussie P3 captain says they've sighted a number of objects above and below the surface.

Patience.

"Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott is facing an embarrassing climbdown, admitting it may have been premature to identify debris on satellite images as from the missing flight MH370." The Huffington Post UK | Posted: 21/03/2014 15:10 GMT Link

Do you want more?

Tony Abbott only reported tonight that two more pieces of debris were spotted by the RAAF and one of the pieces was a yellow triangular bit of debris. This debris MAY be from the MH370 missing plane and it is not the same debris that was reported yesterday. The RAAF have marked the spot for the Navy to hopefully pick up late tonight or early in the morning.

[F430murci]

Malaysian Prime Minister holding news conference at 2pmGMT/10pmKL.

It'll be interesting to see what developments will come out of this meeting.

Sky news is claiming sources have told them charter planes are being readied to fly relatives to Australia.

If true, might indicate some level of confidence internally.

[Farma]

The Malaysian PM just stated data from inmarsat suggests flight ended in the southern Indian ocean.

[Chicog]

AAIB told Malaysia the plane definitely went down in the Indian Ocean

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[F430murci]

The Malaysian PM just stated data from inmarsat suggests flight ended in the southern Indian ocean.

Relatives being sent to Perth and US Navy sending that high tech listening device does reflect some degree of confidence.

Edited March 24, 2014 by F430murci

[Asiantravel]

but so far no evidence to substantiate the lack of "any reasonable doubt" behind the Malaysia Airlines claim ?

[Chicog]

I know the difference between shipping containers and an aircraft or aircraft debris. That's more that you can say for the Aussie leader who said adamantly that they had found it.

Can you provide any kind of link where Abbott has said they have anything but reports of unidentified objects and that they have yet to be verified?

Even the stuff they have had eyes on today has not been stated as being part of the aircraft, simply that they are sending a ship to find it.

Added: An Aussie P3 captain says they've sighted a number of objects above and below the surface.

Patience.

"Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott is facing an embarrassing climbdown, admitting it may have been premature to identify debris on satellite images as from the missing flight MH370." The Huffington Post UK | Posted: 21/03/2014 15:10 GMT Link

Do you want more?

He's never said it was verified from the flight. The article is spin.

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[Chicog]

but so far no evidence to substantiate the lack of "any reasonable doubt" behind the Malaysia Airlines claim ?

What do you mean?

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[Chicog]

Malaysian Airlines say "Beyond reasonable doubt that plane lost".

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[marcusd]

Tomorrow we should know. Australian warship HMAS SUCCESS on,way ... There within,next few hours.

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[F430murci]

I know the difference between shipping containers and an aircraft or aircraft debris. That's more that you can say for the Aussie leader who said adamantly that they had found it.

Can you provide any kind of link where Abbott has said they have anything but reports of unidentified objects and that they have yet to be verified?

Even the stuff they have had eyes on today has not been stated as being part of the aircraft, simply that they are sending a ship to find it.

Added: An Aussie P3 captain says they've sighted a number of objects above and below the surface.

Patience.

"Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott is facing an embarrassing climbdown, admitting it may have been premature to identify debris on satellite images as from the missing flight MH370." The Huffington Post UK | Posted: 21/03/2014 15:10 GMT Link

Do you want more?

He's never said it was verified from the flight. The article is spin.

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The only climb down is for the nutty types claiming plane was high jacked to Pakistan or China for gold or for mad scientist on board, but they will now make even nuttier claims that debris was planted where ever it is found.

For what it's worth, I spoke to brother who is former F15 and commercial pilot that now works with FBI, FedEx, UPS and etc. to track people and cargo that pose threats and also track planes being flown over sensitive areas.

He said not a chance in hell that someone flew a 777 low enough that far and go undetected.

He also said the thing about code words used to alert ATC was incorrect.

Certain carriers may have their own internal system for warnings. This is mostly someone from carrier/airline asking specific questions periodically while planes are being flown over sensitive areas and the pilots conveying certain responses. Not all carrier use, ATC would have no clue about it and may only be used on certain routes.

Other than that, there is only the universal transponder code referenced by several on here. You gotta love the Internet.

Edited March 24, 2014 by F430murci

[Asiantravel]

Can you provide any kind of link where Abbott has said they have anything but reports of unidentified objects and that they have yet to be verified?

Even the stuff they have had eyes on today has not been stated as being part of the aircraft, simply that they are sending a ship to find it.

Added: An Aussie P3 captain says they've sighted a number of objects above and below the surface.

Patience.

"Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott is facing an embarrassing climbdown, admitting it may have been premature to identify debris on satellite images as from the missing flight MH370." The Huffington Post UK | Posted: 21/03/2014 15:10 GMT Link

Do you want more?

He's never said it was verified from the flight. The article is spin.

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The only climb down is for the nutty types claiming plane was high jacked to Pakistan or China for gold or for mad scientist on board, but they will now make even nuttier claims that debris was planted where ever it is found.

For what it's worth, I spoke to brother who is former F15 and commercial pilot that now works with FBI, FedEx, UPS and etc. to track people and cargo that pose threats and also track planes being flown over sensitive areas.

He said not a chance in hell that someone flew a 777 low enough that far and go undetected.

He also said the thing about code words used to alert ATC was incorrect.

Certain carriers may have their own internal system for warnings. This is mostly someone from carrier/airline asking specific questions periodically while planes are being flown over sensitive areas and the pilots conveying certain responses. Not all carrier use, ATC would have no clue about it and may only be used on certain routes.

Other than that, there is only the universal transponder code referenced by several on here. You gotta love the Internet.

Now you claim that the theory held by Lt General McInerney constitutes being " nutty "?

But one also has to question the state of mind of one who perpetually claims that something must be so just because “ the wife says “ and now it's because " the brothers says "

[Chicog]

I can't see the point of this quibbling. The plane is lost. There is every chance they have found wreckage. Let's wait and see what they find.

My heart goes out to the families, what a nightmare.

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[EyesWideOpen]

F430murci :

" The only climb down is for the nutty types claiming plane was high jacked to Pakistan or China for gold or for mad scientist on board, but they will now make even nuttier claims that debris was planted where ever it is found.

For what it's worth, I spoke to brother who is former F15 and commercial pilot that now works with FBI, FedEx, UPS and etc. to track people and cargo that pose threats and also track planes being flown over sensitive areas.

He said not a chance in hell that someone flew a 777 low enough that far and go undetected.
He also said the thing about code words used to alert ATC was incorrect.
Certain carriers may have their own internal system for warnings. This is mostly someone from carrier/airline asking specific questions periodically while planes are being flown over sensitive areas and the pilots conveying certain responses. Not all carrier use, ATC would have no clue about it and may only be used on certain routes.
Other than that, there is only the universal transponder code referenced by several on here. You gotta love the Internet. "

Yes indeed, I do love the internet . In forming an opinion, no need for links and hard core information to buttress your

position, just go with this...

"For what it's worth, I spoke to brother......"

Anyway let wait and see what happens tomorrow. Not really sure that the plane being hijacked to China is any less credible than the pilot, who appears to be a good man, who is happy with his life, and who then suddenly decides to kill everyone on board......

Edited March 24, 2014 by EyesWideOpen

[JDGRUEN]

According to CNN (the only frickin American news channel I can get here in Thailand... 9:17 AM Texas Time, 3/24/2014 ... Malaysian Government issued a statement ... Flight 370 ended in the Indian Ocean southwest of Perth Australia (about 2500 kilometers or so)... "All lives lost"... In Beijing, China all families have been called together for a briefing). Maybe the never ending grief for the families of not knowing has ended ...

[khaosai]

Hi,

Hopefully the start of some form of closure, if at all possible, for all the family and friends of those on board.

A tragic ending to what should have been yet another fairly routine flight.

RIP to all onboard.

[3NUMBAS]

Hunt for 'black box' -

The US Navy has added to the sense of an approaching denouement, ordering a specialised device sent to the region to help find the "black box" flight and cockpit voice data -- crucial in determining what happened to the plane.

The high-tech device can locate black boxes as deep as 20,000 feet (6,060 metres), the US Seventh Fleet said in a statement. The search area ranges from 3,000-4,000 metres deep.

The 30-day signal from the black box is due to fail in less than two weeks.

The Australian Maritime Safety Authority said the search grew to 10 aircraft on Monday with the inclusion of two Chinese military aircraft joining Australian, US, and Japanese planes.

China has also dispatched seven ships, adding to British and Australian naval vessels involved.

If a crash is confirmed, recovering the black box will be even more difficult than the case of the Air France jet that went down in the Atlantic in 2009, said Charitha Pattiaratchi, an oceanographer at the University of Western Australia.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jy-II2Po8MYBIrCeW0St8gys69zw?docId=ac372cb0-2413-4e2e-a62d-bdc20ca47a6c

[Basil B]

AAIB told Malaysia the plane definitely went down in the Indian Ocean

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I do not think the AAIB have made any public quotes regarding their findings, and what is being said is other peoples interpretation of what the AAIB has told them, I am sure the AAIB would have used such language as "high degree of probability" rather than "definitely".

[balo]

This doesnt make sense to me , no debris has been found , only satellite images that could be debris from the plane.

Still Malaysian PM confirms that MH370 went down in the middle of Indian ocean . Where is the evidence??

[Tywais]

‘MH370 has been lost and that none of those on board survived’: Malaysia Airlines text message kills all hope
Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 'crashed into Indian Ocean'

Latest developments

• According to new data, Flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean: Malaysia PM

• No indication from authorities as to why the plane crashed where it did

• Announcement comes as Australian aircraft locates two objects in search area

• A Chinese plane also spots two large objects and several smaller ones

• U.S. Pacific command sends a device that can detect “pings” from a plane’s so-called black box down to 20,000 feet

• Australia, China, the U.S., Japan and New Zealand all contributing planes or ships to the search

• At least 14 planes and nine ships are involved or headed toward the sightings

Officials have confirmed that Flight 370 crashed into the Indian Ocean and there are no survivors among the 239 people on board. However, officials gave no indication during Monday’s announcement as to what happened on flight MH370 during its final hours, leaving relatives, who discovered the news by text message from Malaysia Airlines, with little closure on the fate of the flight’s victims.

Malaysian prime minster Najib Razak held a press conference Monday evening and said that it was with “great sadness” that new data had shown the plane’s last location was in the Southern Indian Ocean, southwest of Perth, Australia.

“It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, Flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean,” he said.

More here - Nationalpost

[Tywais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGA__jVs_us

[Tywais]

[Tywais]

Malaysian PM's announcement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7ztv9d28QY

[F430murci]

F430murci :

" The only climb down is for the nutty types claiming plane was high jacked to Pakistan or China for gold or for mad scientist on board, but they will now make even nuttier claims that debris was planted where ever it is found.

For what it's worth, I spoke to brother who is former F15 and commercial pilot that now works with FBI, FedEx, UPS and etc. to track people and cargo that pose threats and also track planes being flown over sensitive areas.

He said not a chance in hell that someone flew a 777 low enough that far and go undetected.

He also said the thing about code words used to alert ATC was incorrect.

Certain carriers may have their own internal system for warnings. This is mostly someone from carrier/airline asking specific questions periodically while planes are being flown over sensitive areas and the pilots conveying certain responses. Not all carrier use, ATC would have no clue about it and may only be used on certain routes.

Other than that, there is only the universal transponder code referenced by several on here. You gotta love the Internet. "

Yes indeed, I do love the internet . In forming an opinion, no need for links and hard core information to buttress your

position, just go with this...

"For what it's worth, I spoke to brother......"

Anyway let wait and see what happens tomorrow. Not really sure that the plane being hijacked to China is any less credible than the pilot, who appears to be a good man, who is happy with his life, and who then suddenly decides to kill everyone on board......

??? I will actually trust a family member in the business of this exact stuff a bit more than internet news cites that change the story daily and put people with interesting or ridiculous theories that keep people tuned in and drum up all kinds of speculation . . . Kind of like here. This is great entertainment for me as I just do not encounter some of these thought processes in my day to day life. Very intriguing and entertaining to read.

This incident will perhaps be disappointing to some (those with invested personal agendas) and cover up to others (those off their medication), but this will most likely be a mechanical/decompression/structural failure and a plane cruising along until running out fuel after pilots became incapacitated. Nothing exciting (no gold heist or mass kidnappings). Just a very unusual, very sad and very tragic event for people and family members actually involved.

[Tywais]

BULLETIN running in world news forum regarding the PM's announcement - http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/713485-bulletin-malaysia-airlines-says-flight-370-crashed-in-southern-indian-ocean-no-survivors/

[GentlemanJim]

Interesting! The information from the UK AAIB and Inmarsat is now showing that the aircraft was in fact at cruising altitude and never deviated from that. It was above 30 000 ft and flew on and on until out of fuel. That puts a lot of theories here on this forum to bed. Curiouser and curiouser.