Yingluck calls on NACC to treat her like other politicians

[hawker9000]

what an absolute moron this woman is, she keeps doing the wrong thing and expects everyone to just let her get away with it, then she says she hasnt decided if she will attend the meeting herself, obviously she knows she is too stupid to be able to answer questions herself and needs others to do it for her. This is what happens when an uneducated moron with no experience is placed in the pm's job, she gets exactly what she deserves. Maybe now she is starting to realize this isnt just like going shopping for fun and that there are consequences for what you do or dont do.

"what an absolute moron this woman is...etc., etc."

Wow, PAD-Dem-speak to the extreme.

I love it when they come up with this stuff, but shake in their flip-flops facing her in an election.

it is also good that those spewing this vitriol sympathise with an electoral minority that is afraid of Parliament. In Parliament they are seated according to their electoral strength, and they become as irrelevant as this quote.

Warms the cockles of my heart.

I kind of like the way Parliament flip-flopped their way out of office awhile back, and the way TS was flip-flopped out of his amnesty bid (even if only for the moment...), and the way PT seems to be flip-flopping its way out of rice-farmer support, and the way YL seems to be flip-flopping her way into ever-increasing legal entanglement. Warms the cockles of MY heart. I guess we both have warm cockles, eh? Everybody's happy.

Edited March 28, 2014 by hawker9000

[metisdead]

Removed some posts that claimed others were paid to post. If you have any actual evidence please forward it to support. If it's just a lame debating tactic, further references like that may find you without posting rights.

[Moruya]

I'd venture to say that if any of us was given 3 days to peruse,, and prepare to address 289 additional pages we'd be a bit miffed too I know I would... 289 pages of legalese to respond to.. but thats the plan... by the non independent agencies withhold the paper till the last minute then refuse the opportunity for redress... gimme a break... independent...? Laughable given the pedestrian way they have prosecuted things in the past... I'lll bet they are all chuckling in their noodle bowls... pathetic really

I could be wrong, but from what I read last week, this statement might be a little economical with the truth. YL may well have only had 3 days to view those documents, but that could well be down to her legal team. As part of their case for submitting the second extension request, they asked for extra time to consider the 280 +/- pages, so they must have had them at least 10 days ago. On the other hand, if YL had appeared on the day requested, I believe but may be wrong, she would have received everything there and then.

As I say, I could be wrong

If I remember correctly, if the defendant fails to attend the initial hearing then he/she has no right to the documents.

The NACC made an exception in Yingluck's case and provided the paperwork to her legal team.

If anything she has been treated more than fairly and is now doing everything she can to paint the commission black.

She is in danger of contempt

[monkey4u]

Treat her like any other person who commits crimes against humanity

Either shoot her or lock her up if found guilty

Alas I'm only dreaming this might happen

[blueyeshk]

Poor Thing have to read so many pages at least one should consider the time difference as this documents first have be studied in the Middle East and come back with proper instructions.

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[rametindallas]

In the 'other' English language daily's headline story of this, there is a photo of Ms Yingluck back in her wheelchair. I guess when she discusses going to jail, she has a relapse of her torn ligaments. Just a few days ago, while touring the extinguished dump fire, she seemed to have miraculously healed. I'm beginning to suspect she is faking the whole wheelchair act to gain sympathy. Am I being too cynical?

To address the OP; shouldn't the NACC prioritize their investigations according to the damage being done to the country? Does she seriously believe her case should be at the back of the line, in which case she would be prosecuted until sometime in 2025. If she does, she is delusional. I guess she has to be delusional to stay in her post at this late state.

[AleG]

Yingluck calls on NACC to treat her like other politicians

Oh, fine then, treat her the same as Democrat Bangkok Governor Sukumbhand, fair is fair, no?

Sukhumbhand to be suspended as court set to review case

[rametindallas]

Ummm yingluck, they already gave you a 30 day extension...its expired now and youre still asking for more.

just like a spoiled brat, that ask so easily to be given things on demand.

go ahead and cry when you dont get your way.

Suthep has been charged with many counts of murder and other charges of an equally serious nature, however he tells the police and whoever else wants to know that he's too busy organizing and leading protests to bring about the downfall of the democratically elected government, and the institutions say thats ok, whenever ur ready Mr Suthep. How many days have the leaders of the airport closure incidents in 2008 been given???

But, but, but, Suthep. Yingluck is facing corruption charges and Suthep has already accepted murder charges and the charges related to the current protest keep being dropped by the courts. Can you please show a list of current charges against Suthep that he hasn't answered and did they all come from Chalerm?

[HonestQuietBob]

Yingluck is an impressive forward thinker, comparisons to a chess grandmaster are quite apt. Highlighting the nonsense, silliness and illegality of the corrupted elite controlled unelected public servants currently running the permanent institutions of state is going to make it so, so much easier to enact the real reforms this nation needs (i.e. A return to the 1997 constitution)

Keep it up young lady, you are destroying those opposed to you, your family, your party, your nation and to the principle of 1 man, 1 vote democracy.

Thailands first GM PM

[whybother]

Yingluck is an impressive forward thinker, comparisons to a chess grandmaster are quite apt. Highlighting the nonsense, silliness and illegality of the corrupted elite controlled unelected public servants currently running the permanent institutions of state is going to make it so, so much easier to enact the real reforms this nation needs (i.e. A return to the 1997 constitution)

Keep it up young lady, you are destroying those opposed to you, your family, your party, your nation and to the principle of 1 man, 1 vote democracy.

Thailands first GM PM

You have seriously lost the plot ...

[hawker9000]

Yingluck is an impressive forward thinker, comparisons to a chess grandmaster are quite apt. Highlighting the nonsense, silliness and illegality of the corrupted elite controlled unelected public servants currently running the permanent institutions of state is going to make it so, so much easier to enact the real reforms this nation needs (i.e. A return to the 1997 constitution)

Keep it up young lady, you are destroying those opposed to you, your family, your party, your nation and to the principle of 1 man, 1 vote democracy.

Thailands first GM PM

Are they brewing beer from old, rotting rice stocks now?

But I agree, she IS helping destroy her family, PT, her nation, and democracy in Thailand.

Edited March 29, 2014 by hawker9000

[Goat Roper]

Ummm yingluck, they already gave you a 30 day extension...its expired now and youre still asking for more.

just like a spoiled brat, that ask so easily to be given things on demand.

go ahead and cry when you dont get your way.

Suthep has been charged with many counts of murder and other charges of an equally serious nature, however he tells the police and whoever else wants to know that he's too busy organizing and leading protests to bring about the downfall of the democratically elected government, and the institutions say thats ok, whenever ur ready Mr Suthep. How many days have the leaders of the airport closure incidents in 2008 been given???

Suthep is not the Prime Minister of Thailand, that's the difference.

[AleG]

Yingluck is an impressive forward thinker, comparisons to a chess grandmaster are quite apt. Highlighting the nonsense, silliness and illegality of the corrupted elite controlled unelected public servants currently running the permanent institutions of state is going to make it so, so much easier to enact the real reforms this nation needs (i.e. A return to the 1997 constitution)

Keep it up young lady, you are destroying those opposed to you, your family, your party, your nation and to the principle of 1 man, 1 vote democracy.

Thailands first GM PM

Are you sleep typing, pipkins? Wake up already.

[ginjag]

Yingluck is an impressive forward thinker, comparisons to a chess grandmaster are quite apt. Highlighting the nonsense, silliness and illegality of the corrupted elite controlled unelected public servants currently running the permanent institutions of state is going to make it so, so much easier to enact the real reforms this nation needs (i.e. A return to the 1997 constitution)

Keep it up young lady, you are destroying those opposed to you, your family, your party, your nation and to the principle of 1 man, 1 vote democracy.

Thailands first GM PM

Are you sure you have ALL your sandwiches for the picnic ??? Thailands first MGM P.M.

[rametindallas]

I'd venture to say that if any of us was given 3 days to peruse,, and prepare to address 289 additional pages we'd be a bit miffed too I know I would... 289 pages of legalese to respond to.. but thats the plan... by the non independent agencies withhold the paper till the last minute then refuse the opportunity for redress... gimme a break... independent...? Laughable given the pedestrian way they have prosecuted things in the past... I'lll bet they are all chuckling in their noodle bowls... pathetic really

Are you a propagandist or just oblivious? If you have followed this thread, or a dozen others, you would know she is not entitled to ANY of those papers because of her previous no-show. Those rules were in place long before Ms Yingluck took the job of looting Thailand for her brother. The NACC is already giving her preferred treatment by giving her those papers. She isn't going to read those papers herself, even if given a hundred years. She has a team of lawyers and if each one reads 20 pages on the first day, they can make reports of their findings on the second day and a course of action can be drawn up the third day. It's more than she deserves according to the law. It is a blatant lie that the NACC withheld the papers until the last minute. Why are you lying? Why do you support people who shit on Thailand? Why do you hate Thai people so much?

[Thaddeus]

Yingluck is an impressive forward thinker, comparisons to a chess grandmaster are quite apt. Highlighting the nonsense, silliness and illegality of the corrupted elite controlled unelected public servants currently running the permanent institutions of state is going to make it so, so much easier to enact the real reforms this nation needs (i.e. A return to the 1997 constitution)

Keep it up young lady, you are destroying those opposed to you, your family, your party, your nation and to the principle of 1 man, 1 vote democracy.

Thailands first GM PM

Oh purleez ..... she's already proved in the last week that she couldn't even play hopscotch, let alone chess.

[rametindallas]

what an absolute moron this woman is, she keeps doing the wrong thing and expects everyone to just let her get away with it, then she says she hasnt decided if she will attend the meeting herself, obviously she knows she is too stupid to be able to answer questions herself and needs others to do it for her. This is what happens when an uneducated moron with no experience is placed in the pm's job, she gets exactly what she deserves. Maybe now she is starting to realize this isnt just like going shopping for fun and that there are consequences for what you do or dont do.

And how many multi billionaire's do you know who would not do the same. She is so stupid she ran one of Thailand largest business empires. I wish I was as stupid as her.

You really need to stop getting ALL your information from the Red press. Ms Yingluck was an executive at Shin Corp. and not CEO, so she didn't 'run' anything. Her position was eliminated by the new owner (Temasek) in Singapore after the sale. It was a make-work position for baby sister to have some income and something to say she did. I think you can stop wishing now, as you may already be as stupid as her.

p.s. Yingluck is not even a Baht billionaire according to her financial disclosure when she became PM.

Edited March 29, 2014 by rametindallas

[rabas]

what an absolute moron this woman is, she keeps doing the wrong thing and expects everyone to just let her get away with it, then she says she hasnt decided if she will attend the meeting herself, obviously she knows she is too stupid to be able to answer questions herself and needs others to do it for her. This is what happens when an uneducated moron with no experience is placed in the pm's job, she gets exactly what she deserves. Maybe now she is starting to realize this isnt just like going shopping for fun and that there are consequences for what you do or dont do.

And how many multi billionaire's do you know who would not do the same. She is so stupid she ran one of Thailand largest business empires. I wish I was as stupid as her.

This is Asian business, Chinese style. She was placed there as a family figurehead just like she is PM now. Crooks can't trust other crooks so they look for a not so ambitious or smart family member they can trust (control).

Edited March 29, 2014 by rabas

[Goat Roper]

what an absolute moron this woman is, she keeps doing the wrong thing and expects everyone to just let her get away with it, then she says she hasnt decided if she will attend the meeting herself, obviously she knows she is too stupid to be able to answer questions herself and needs others to do it for her. This is what happens when an uneducated moron with no experience is placed in the pm's job, she gets exactly what she deserves. Maybe now she is starting to realize this isnt just like going shopping for fun and that there are consequences for what you do or dont do.

And how many multi billionaire's do you know who would not do the same. She is so stupid she ran one of Thailand largest business empires. I wish I was as stupid as her.

This is Asian business, Chinese style. She was placed there as a family figurehead just like she is PM now. Crooks can't trust other crooks so they look for a not so ambitious or smart family member they can trust (control).

"And how many multi billionaire's do you know who would not do the same. She is so stupid she ran one of Thailand largest business empires. I wish I was as stupid as her".

She has never ran anything. She had (sat in) a corner office at Thaksin's Bangkok headquarters is all. When she left and took up politics she was not replaced.

[tingtongteesood]

Yingluck is an impressive forward thinker, comparisons to a chess grandmaster are quite apt. Highlighting the nonsense, silliness and illegality of the corrupted elite controlled unelected public servants currently running the permanent institutions of state is going to make it so, so much easier to enact the real reforms this nation needs (i.e. A return to the 1997 constitution)

Keep it up young lady, you are destroying those opposed to you, your family, your party, your nation and to the principle of 1 man, 1 vote democracy.

Thailands first GM PM

You have seriously lost the plot ...

Never seen a post under his current username or any of his previous ones where he even seemed to have the slightest grasp on reality......

[GeorgeO]

She's not just another politician... She is the leader of a nation. She's an example and a reflection of what a nation is and where its destiny lies. I'd say yes: She is a stunning example of Thai politics, its people, its culture and its future.

...I personally think it's stretching the imagination to actually refer to her as a "politician"...!!

[Publicus]

To be treated like other politicians , like these two for example?

BANGKOK, 1 November 2013

Former prime minister, Abhisit Vejjajiva, and former deputy prime minister, Suthep Thaugsuban, have officially acknowledged the charges brought by the attorney general against them regarding the 2010 protest crackdown. However, the Office of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) has pushed for an investigation to impeach the two from their political office.

Despite murder charges already being brought against Mr. Abhisit and Mr. Suthep by the attorney general, the NACC has decided to push for the two to be relieved of their political positions under the charges of abusing their power in office.

The NACC claimed it is using its power as an independent entity under Section 250 of the constitution to bring charges against the former prime minister and his former deputy prime minister. It found the duo used unlawful orders allowing the military to use real ammunitions to disperse political mobs in 2010, causing deaths to 99 people and injuries to 1,000 others.

http://thaifinancialpost.com/2013/11/01/nacc-pushes-for-an-investigation-to-impeach-abhisit-and-suthep-from-office/

Just how is that impeachment process going, you know, the one about the abuse of authority that resulted in people losing not money, but their lives? Anybody heard about the progress - Did anybody know it is/was happening?

Have they fast tracked it and it passed us by?

Yingluck informed of Investigation into Rice Price Pledging - 31st January 2014, Yes, one could be forgiven for thinking that Yingluck has a point that there may be some sort of double standard being applied here.

Are you talking about the 13 farmers who committed suicide, those people who lost their lives?

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

[whybother]

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

Do you know of any country where the area in and around the major city is not more wealthy than the farming areas?

[Thaddeus]

To be treated like other politicians , like these two for example?

BANGKOK, 1 November 2013

Former prime minister, Abhisit Vejjajiva, and former deputy prime minister, Suthep Thaugsuban, have officially acknowledged the charges brought by the attorney general against them regarding the 2010 protest crackdown. However, the Office of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) has pushed for an investigation to impeach the two from their political office.

Despite murder charges already being brought against Mr. Abhisit and Mr. Suthep by the attorney general, the NACC has decided to push for the two to be relieved of their political positions under the charges of abusing their power in office.

The NACC claimed it is using its power as an independent entity under Section 250 of the constitution to bring charges against the former prime minister and his former deputy prime minister. It found the duo used unlawful orders allowing the military to use real ammunitions to disperse political mobs in 2010, causing deaths to 99 people and injuries to 1,000 others.

http://thaifinancialpost.com/2013/11/01/nacc-pushes-for-an-investigation-to-impeach-abhisit-and-suthep-from-office/

Just how is that impeachment process going, you know, the one about the abuse of authority that resulted in people losing not money, but their lives? Anybody heard about the progress - Did anybody know it is/was happening?

Have they fast tracked it and it passed us by?

Yingluck informed of Investigation into Rice Price Pledging - 31st January 2014, Yes, one could be forgiven for thinking that Yingluck has a point that there may be some sort of double standard being applied here.

Are you talking about the 13 farmers who committed suicide, those people who lost their lives?

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

How many Thai farmers do you actually know?

Have you ever met one?

[Anon999]

Ummm yingluck, they already gave you a 30 day extension...its expired now and youre still asking for more.

just like a spoiled brat, that ask so easily to be given things on demand.

go ahead and cry when you dont get your way.

Suthep has been charged with many counts of murder and other charges of an equally serious nature, however he tells the police and whoever else wants to know that he's too busy organizing and leading protests to bring about the downfall of the democratically elected government, and the institutions say thats ok, whenever ur ready Mr Suthep. How many days have the leaders of the airport closure incidents in 2008 been given???

You have obviously not noticed that Suthep is not a politician let alone the caretaker PM. The incumbent PM should be treated directly proportional to their status, in other words more urgently as the buck stops there!

[bigbamboo]

To be treated like other politicians , like these two for example?

BANGKOK, 1 November 2013

Former prime minister, Abhisit Vejjajiva, and former deputy prime minister, Suthep Thaugsuban, have officially acknowledged the charges brought by the attorney general against them regarding the 2010 protest crackdown. However, the Office of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) has pushed for an investigation to impeach the two from their political office.

Despite murder charges already being brought against Mr. Abhisit and Mr. Suthep by the attorney general, the NACC has decided to push for the two to be relieved of their political positions under the charges of abusing their power in office.

The NACC claimed it is using its power as an independent entity under Section 250 of the constitution to bring charges against the former prime minister and his former deputy prime minister. It found the duo used unlawful orders allowing the military to use real ammunitions to disperse political mobs in 2010, causing deaths to 99 people and injuries to 1,000 others.

http://thaifinancialpost.com/2013/11/01/nacc-pushes-for-an-investigation-to-impeach-abhisit-and-suthep-from-office/

Just how is that impeachment process going, you know, the one about the abuse of authority that resulted in people losing not money, but their lives? Anybody heard about the progress - Did anybody know it is/was happening?

Have they fast tracked it and it passed us by?

Yingluck informed of Investigation into Rice Price Pledging - 31st January 2014, Yes, one could be forgiven for thinking that Yingluck has a point that there may be some sort of double standard being applied here.

Are you talking about the 13 farmers who committed suicide, those people who lost their lives?

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

So if the Democrats win the election it will be a 'force majeure' not the will of the people and presumably the justification for the return of the men-in black?

Edited March 29, 2014 by bigbamboo

[Publicus]

Quote

Are you talking about the 13 farmers who committed suicide, those people who lost their lives?

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

How many Thai farmers do you actually know?

Have you ever met one?

My Thai friends have taken me up into the hills outside Chiang Mai to visit villages and to meet villagers, to see three-room school buildings, and to visit the homes of people whose dwellings are constructed over dirt floors. The further one goes into the forests, the more unpleasant the experience becomes.

The farmers and their families are staying home because they have the political awareness not to be exploited by the virulent opponents of the government, which also shows the solid and unified support the government will get if the chronic opposition of the EC to a new election can be overcome.

Edited March 29, 2014 by Publicus

[Publicus]

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

Do you know of any country where the area in and around the major city is not more wealthy than the farming areas?

You're trying to focus on a distant secondary thought I expressed to the main thesis in my opening paragraph. Why don't you deal with the main theme. You might also try to deal with the subordinate thought I stated in the first graf that the Bangkok banks are a cause of the predicament many Thais in the North are being forced to cope with.

[bigbamboo]

Yingluck is an impressive forward thinker, comparisons to a chess grandmaster are quite apt. Highlighting the nonsense, silliness and illegality of the corrupted elite controlled unelected public servants currently running the permanent institutions of state is going to make it so, so much easier to enact the real reforms this nation needs (i.e. A return to the 1997 constitution)

Keep it up young lady, you are destroying those opposed to you, your family, your party, your nation and to the principle of 1 man, 1 vote democracy.

Thailands first GM PM

.

Are you saying she is Thailand's first genetically modified PM? You could be right there....... although I still prefer 'clone' myself.

Not sure what you're on about with her and chess though. I see her more as a snakes and ladders girl.

Edited March 29, 2014 by bigbamboo

[Publicus]

Are you talking about the 13 farmers who committed suicide, those people who lost their lives?

Of the four regions of Thailand the North historically has the highest rate of suicide, hanging being the method of choice. The North is of course the poorest of the four regions, the Central Region being relatively wealthy. The Bangkok banks have made the current predicament of many Thais in the North particularly severe.

Farmers are staying home being patient, biding their time while the elites slug it out in Bangkok. Farmers are too smart to allow themselves to be exploited by the PDRC and the DP against the government which is making every effort to assist them.

If the DP by some force majeure should win an election, farmers know they are screwed. If the so-called "People's Council" comes to pass, the farmers know their political allies in Bangkok will be purged from politics, the government and, very likely, the country itself.

http://www.academia.edu/248988/Suicide_In_the_North_of_Thailand

So if the Democrats win the election it will be a 'force majeure' not the will of the people and presumably the justification for the return of the men-in black?

You are trying to divert the discussion I began by introducing a new element that has nothing to do with what I posted, i.e., Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith.

If you can't comprehend it, my point is that the DP as it is, and showing no signs of reforming itself so it could win an election, would need an extraordinary windfall of votes to win any general election in the foreseeable future. The DP often gets 30% to 35% of the popular vote, sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. This is an insufficient plurality of the multi-party vote in a GE to become the first choice for the privilege of trying to form a coalition government.

You know, the men in yellow.