Charupong warns of chaos if Thai cabinet is to leave the office

[DrTuner]

If they manage to oust the entire government and all current political parties, I'd say 99% of the chaos would be gone with them.

[fab4]

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Enough with the scare tactics. If you guys had done your jobs a little more cleanly and intelligently, it wouldn't have come down to this.

Yeah, because Thai politics was so clean before this. The deluded hypocrisy that comes from those championing this broken court's judgement must be one of the great wonders of the modern world.

Here we have a court that wouldn't be allowed to sit in most of the world because of glaring vested interests, protecting a narrow power grouping by nefarious means.

So what do you propose?

Judicial Reform after election. abhisit promised it back in 2006 when he was busy campaigning for an October election that never happened due to a coup. Mind you he didn't campaign for Judicial Reform when he became PM in 2008. Oh I forgot he didn't need to campaign did he, well, not in the normal sense of the word.

[scorecard]

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Enough with the scare tactics. If you guys had done your jobs a little more cleanly and intelligently, it wouldn't have come down to this.

Yeah, because Thai politics was so clean before this. The deluded hypocrisy that comes from those championing this broken court's judgement must be one of the great wonders of the modern world.

Here we have a court that wouldn't be allowed to sit in most of the world because of glaring vested interests, protecting a narrow power grouping by nefarious means.

So what do you propose?

Judicial Reform after election. abhisit promised it back in 2006 when he was busy campaigning for an October election that never happened due to a coup. Mind you he didn't campaign for Judicial Reform when he became PM in 2008. Oh I forgot he didn't need to campaign did he, well, not in the normal sense of the word.

That doesn't answer the question I posed to another member.

[northernjohn]

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Yeah, because Thai politics was so clean before this. The deluded hypocrisy that comes from those championing this broken court's judgement must be one of the great wonders of the modern world.

Here we have a court that wouldn't be allowed to sit in most of the world because of glaring vested interests, protecting a narrow power grouping by nefarious means.

So what do you propose?

Judicial Reform after election. abhisit promised it back in 2006 when he was busy campaigning for an October election that never happened due to a coup. Mind you he didn't campaign for Judicial Reform when he became PM in 2008. Oh I forgot he didn't need to campaign did he, well, not in the normal sense of the word.

That doesn't answer the question I posed to another member.

You expected an answer from Fab 4

It takes time for him to get through on the Skype.

Then all you get is history. Not my fault it is the best he can do.

Edited May 6, 2014 by northernjohn

[3NUMBAS]

those robbed of their votes again will go off their heads ,stand by for turmoil

[rubl]

"The Pheu Thai party leader, nevertheless, said he believed the verdict would be negative to both the prime minister and the cabinet but he warned of possible chaos if the cabinet was faulted and forced to leave the office like the prime minister."

I'm afraid the gentleman is right. Imagine Ms. Yingluck and her cabinet leaving the office, private persons again.

What would their first act of civil disobedience be? Pay parking tickets? Organise a sit-in at an airconditioned place? Refuse to appear at the NAAC, C.C. ?

[invex]

From the great Albert Einstein:

- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former

- It is harder to crack a prejudice than an atom.

This applies to all "pseudo" reds on these forums who predict the clean future without looking 1 second in the dirty past.

[lemonjelly]

Enough with the scare tactics. If you guys had done your jobs a little more cleanly and intelligently, it wouldn't have come down to this.

Yeah, because Thai politics was so clean before this. The deluded hypocrisy that comes from those championing this broken court's judgement must be one of the great wonders of the modern world.

Here we have a court that wouldn't be allowed to sit in most of the world because of glaring vested interests, protecting a narrow power grouping by nefarious means.

Would you tolerate so many members of a PM's family holding so many ministerial positions in your home country, check out how many of the Thaksin clan hold influential positions in Thai politics, it's a very unhealthy situation for any country to be in, whether they were democratically voted in or not.

[WoopyDoo]

"However, he said that the Pheu Thai party had already worked out a plan to cope with the court’s judgement whichever it will be but he declined to elaborate."

Hope it's a better one than your rice policy, tablet scheme, car rebates, etc....

I like this one.....

Churapong has already got up on stage and declared the ammassing of a 500,000 red army that will be 'armed' and ready to descend on Bangkok should the government ever be removed by the courts.

So is he threatening to deliver on his promise??

What were his three main targets again????.... Oh I remember.

The Independent Agencies.

The Military

The PDRC.

I certainly would like to see them try it.

[WoopyDoo]

Enough with the scare tactics. If you guys had done your jobs a little more cleanly and intelligently, it wouldn't have come down to this.

Yeah, because Thai politics was so clean before this. The deluded hypocrisy that comes from those championing this broken court's judgement must be one of the great wonders of the modern world.

Here we have a court that wouldn't be allowed to sit in most of the world because of glaring vested interests, protecting a narrow power grouping by nefarious means.

Would you tolerate so many members of a PM's family holding so many ministerial positions in your home country, check out how many of the Thaksin clan hold influential positions in Thai politics, it's a very unhealthy situation for any country to be in, whether they were democratically voted in or not.

And not a single one of them a 'career politician' either..... How could anyone do that to a country they supposedly love????

As a matter of fact, I doubt the Thaksin regime has had a single true career politician in any major ministerial position in all its time in power, and that is the reason the nation has been falling apart at the seems for over a decade and has become deeply polarised and massively corrupt way beyond the pale.... even by Thailand standards.

[h90]

Thaksin understood that Isaan people had been subject to insults and degrading comments all of their lives - he played on that< The red leadership/UDD remind rural people of this at every opportunity. When people on this forum make such comments they reinforce historical grievances. It is not smart to help to unite your enemies when cracks are appearing in the alliance.

The betrayal of "reds" by Thaksin was the reason why some of the were on the streets protesting against the amnesty bill. When PDRC took control they left the protests. Comments about shooting reds - especial because the term is so ill defined only leads to more support for Thaksin/PTP/UDD

there are a lot former red shirts staying with the PDRC.....and different than with the PAD, you will never hear Suthep call any population of group Kwais. He actually invite Esaan people and he invite Red Shirts to join and some does. Of course the rice scandal helped. And the intimidation that rice farmers weren't allowed to travel to Bangkok were good promotion for PDRC.

[Baerboxer]

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Enough with the scare tactics. If you guys had done your jobs a little more cleanly and intelligently, it wouldn't have come down to this.

Yeah, because Thai politics was so clean before this. The deluded hypocrisy that comes from those championing this broken court's judgement must be one of the great wonders of the modern world.

Here we have a court that wouldn't be allowed to sit in most of the world because of glaring vested interests, protecting a narrow power grouping by nefarious means.

So what do you propose?

Judicial Reform after election. abhisit promised it back in 2006 when he was busy campaigning for an October election that never happened due to a coup. Mind you he didn't campaign for Judicial Reform when he became PM in 2008. Oh I forgot he didn't need to campaign did he, well, not in the normal sense of the word.

Judicial reform - doesn't mean replacing all the judges with supporters of the Shin Clan; or their opponents for that matter.

It ain't ever likely to happen.

[bigbamboo]

Anyone want to bet Pheu Thai's plan will have something to do with another Shinawat being appointed to the position of Temporary Caretaker But Not The Real PM?

Edited May 6, 2014 by bigbamboo

[issanaus]

Thaksin understood that Isaan people had been subject to insults and degrading comments all of their lives - he played on that< The red leadership/UDD remind rural people of this at every opportunity. When people on this forum make such comments they reinforce historical grievances. It is not smart to help to unite your enemies when cracks are appearing in the alliance.

The betrayal of "reds" by Thaksin was the reason why some of the were on the streets protesting against the amnesty bill. When PDRC took control they left the protests. Comments about shooting reds - especial because the term is so ill defined only leads to more support for Thaksin/PTP/UDD

there are a lot former red shirts staying with the PDRC.....and different than with the PAD, you will never hear Suthep call any population of group Kwais. He actually invite Esaan people and he invite Red Shirts to join and some does. Of course the rice scandal helped. And the intimidation that rice farmers weren't allowed to travel to Bangkok were good promotion for PDRC.

Yes - I was mainly thinking of some of my relatives -I accept your point and it is a good thing

It has amused me how some poster here make derogatory comments about Suthep's tan - considering the people they claim to support also have some good tans, lol

[ubonjoe]

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[uty6543]

Enough with the scare tactics. If you guys had done your jobs a little more cleanly and intelligently, it wouldn't have come down to this.

Yeah, because Thai politics was so clean before this. The deluded hypocrisy that comes from those championing this broken court's judgement must be one of the great wonders of the modern world.

Here we have a court that wouldn't be allowed to sit in most of the world because of glaring vested interests, protecting a narrow power grouping by nefarious means.

Would you tolerate so many members of a PM's family holding so many ministerial positions in your home country, check out how many of the Thaksin clan hold influential positions in Thai politics, it's a very unhealthy situation for any country to be in, whether they were democratically voted in or not.

And not a single one of them a 'career politician' either..... How could anyone do that to a country they supposedly love????

As a matter of fact, I doubt the Thaksin regime has had a single true career politician in any major ministerial position in all its time in power, and that is the reason the nation has been falling apart at the seems for over a decade and has become deeply polarised and massively corrupt way beyond the pale.... even by Thailand standards.

How could anyone do that to a country they supposedly love???? They love money more than their country.

[MaxLee]

However, he said that the Pheu Thai party had already worked out a plan to cope with the courts judgement whichever it will be but he declined to elaborate.

Plan: Hire redshirt thugs and silence the critics

[issanaus]

However, he said that the Pheu Thai party had already worked out a plan to cope with the courts judgement whichever it will be but he declined to elaborate.

Plan: Hire redshirt thugs and silence the critics

And I think some others may have plans of their own

[khunken]

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Yeah, because Thai politics was so clean before this. The deluded hypocrisy that comes from those championing this broken court's judgement must be one of the great wonders of the modern world.

Here we have a court that wouldn't be allowed to sit in most of the world because of glaring vested interests, protecting a narrow power grouping by nefarious means.

So what do you propose?

Judicial Reform after election. abhisit promised it back in 2006 when he was busy campaigning for an October election that never happened due to a coup. Mind you he didn't campaign for Judicial Reform when he became PM in 2008. Oh I forgot he didn't need to campaign did he, well, not in the normal sense of the word.

That doesn't answer the question I posed to another member.

Correct but it gives Fab4 an opportunity to introduce off-topic propaganda about Abhisit.

As for Charupong - by chaos he no doubt means his militia friends will find some more victims to violently attack.

[LuckyLew]

He might as well be saying "if we all get tossed by courts, we are going to try cause as much &lt;deleted&gt; as possible"

[marcusd]

In most democracies, positions such as cabinet ministers or heads of executive agencies serve at the pleasure of the Prime Minister. Irrespective of who is the Prime Minister, the concept of allegiance to the PM is the over-riding consideration to keeping one's post. For any PM to face ouster from office over exercising what should be ordinary executive power clearly illustrates that Thai courts enjoy far too much power over the other two branches of government.

not long ago in Austria the Army boss had to be reinstalled, after he was removed by the defense minister for speaking out another opinion that his boss orders.

And there is no doubt that Austria is a mature democracy.

H90 and your point is? Thailand is doing the same and in other posts you say the PM can move whom she wants so this to me unless I am missing your point is plain DUMB.

[h90]

In most democracies, positions such as cabinet ministers or heads of executive agencies serve at the pleasure of the Prime Minister. Irrespective of who is the Prime Minister, the concept of allegiance to the PM is the over-riding consideration to keeping one's post. For any PM to face ouster from office over exercising what should be ordinary executive power clearly illustrates that Thai courts enjoy far too much power over the other two branches of government.

not long ago in Austria the Army boss had to be reinstalled, after he was removed by the defense minister for speaking out another opinion that his boss orders.

And there is no doubt that Austria is a mature democracy.

H90 and your point is? Thailand is doing the same and in other posts you say the PM can move whom she wants so this to me unless I am missing your point is plain DUMB.

I can't recall the post where I say the PM can move whom she wants...

But the point is that what pookiki says is not true and that in other countries the courts would decide similar.

[jayboy]

In most democracies, positions such as cabinet ministers or heads of executive agencies serve at the pleasure of the Prime Minister. Irrespective of who is the Prime Minister, the concept of allegiance to the PM is the over-riding consideration to keeping one's post. For any PM to face ouster from office over exercising what should be ordinary executive power clearly illustrates that Thai courts enjoy far too much power over the other two branches of government.

not long ago in Austria the Army boss had to be reinstalled, after he was removed by the defense minister for speaking out another opinion that his boss orders.

And there is no doubt that Austria is a mature democracy.

H90 and your point is? Thailand is doing the same and in other posts you say the PM can move whom she wants so this to me unless I am missing your point is plain DUMB.

I can't recall the post where I say the PM can move whom she wants...

But the point is that what pookiki says is not true and that in other countries the courts would decide similar.

You are completely wrong.In all countries a public official is subject to transfer.There could be many reasons but not beeing deemed willing to implement an elected government's programme could certainly be one of them.In some cases where the face doesn't fit there can ceretainly be some awkward questions from the political oposition, and quite right too.I know nothing of Austrian custom but I would be surprised if it was different.President Obama and many other US Presidents have sacked senior generals for insubordination, including famously General Macarthur.In the odd Austrian example you mention I note that the army boss was reinstalled but there was no question of the politician concerned being sacked.In Thailand the PM is being removed.This is unthinkable in any other country where the courts would have no such power.So you are not only wrong but completely deluded on this point.

[BillyBobThai]

[JesseFrank]

Charupong warns of chaos if cabinet is to leave the office

What Charupong fails to include in his comment is that the only reason there will be chaos is because this bunch of criminals caretaker government will refuse to recognize the court, because if the cabinet is removed they can't have the local drunk Chalerm to replace the PM and cling on to the power, and the cabinet will be removed by force.

Edited May 6, 2014 by JesseFrank

[JesseFrank]

You are completely wrong.In all countries a public official is subject to transfer.There could be many reasons but not beeing deemed willing to implement an elected government's programme could certainly be one of them.In some cases where the face doesn't fit there can ceretainly be some awkward questions from the political oposition, and quite right too.I know nothing of Austrian custom but I would be surprised if it was different.President Obama and many other US Presidents have sacked senior generals for insubordination, including famously General Macarthur.In the odd Austrian example you mention I note that the army boss was reinstalled but there was no question of the politician concerned being sacked.In Thailand the PM is being removed.This is unthinkable in any other country where the courts would have no such power.So you are not only wrong but completely deluded on this point.

Did Obama or any of the other Presidents replace the public officials with family members ?

[moe666]

Enough with the scare tactics. If you guys had done your jobs a little more cleanly and intelligently, it wouldn't have come down to this.

Yeah, because Thai politics was so clean before this. The deluded hypocrisy that comes from those championing this broken court's judgement must be one of the great wonders of the modern world.

Here we have a court that wouldn't be allowed to sit in most of the world because of glaring vested interests, protecting a narrow power grouping by nefarious means.

you are joking right the Supreme court of the US gave an election to the candidate of the party that controlled the Supreme court, so think a bit before posting nonsense

[Dr Bruce]

You are completely wrong.In all countries a public official is subject to transfer.There could be many reasons but not beeing deemed willing to implement an elected government's programme could certainly be one of them.In some cases where the face doesn't fit there can ceretainly be some awkward questions from the political oposition, and quite right too.I know nothing of Austrian custom but I would be surprised if it was different.President Obama and many other US Presidents have sacked senior generals for insubordination, including famously General Macarthur.In the odd Austrian example you mention I note that the army boss was reinstalled but there was no question of the politician concerned being sacked.In Thailand the PM is being removed.This is unthinkable in any other country where the courts would have no such power.So you are not only wrong but completely deluded on this point.

Did Obama or any of the other Presidents replace the public officials with family members ?

JFK gave his brother a nice job.

[tingtongteesood]

Enough with the scare tactics. If you guys had done your jobs a little more cleanly and intelligently, it wouldn't have come down to this.

Yeah, because Thai politics was so clean before this. The deluded hypocrisy that comes from those championing this broken court's judgement must be one of the great wonders of the modern world.

Here we have a court that wouldn't be allowed to sit in most of the world because of glaring vested interests, protecting a narrow power grouping by nefarious means.

You are SO full of crap ! Yingluck will be gone tomorrow, boo hoo.Go and cry in your lao kao, then get on with the rest of your life. The PTP, UDD, and red sheeple such as yourself are broken.

[FangFerang]

Another thinly veiled threat from PT's numerous Ministers of Moronity . . .

Ministers of Moronity -- that reads like you wrote it instead of quote it.

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