Junta chief pleads for understanding and cooperation

[maxme]

These NCPO requests (the other one about conveying something) are really kinda understandable, they have been given an undeserved rotten press (J.Head etc...etc...etc.....) by the western media ( and it seems only THE WESTERN MEDIA) and with very few exceptions just about every one of their policies since they started 23-05-14 have been of benefit to the Thai people and westerners living here particularly in BKK. They are just asking for a bit of slack to be cut. Again totally understandable.

Benefit to westerners living here. Please elaborate...

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Simply put maxme:

Streets safe from bombs bullets

Sh**ar*e taxi driver rip offs reduced

Roads safer

less corrupt cop scams

No protest sites and marches ( which I didn't necessarily disagree with ) blocking roads and causing traffic jams

and there are more....

For the moments there are no bombs going off. Bullets always fly in this country, just check out the vocational schools.

The taxi drivers still rip people off and refuse people fares so to me the only difference is that I don't have to wake up to the fanfare of Suthep's loonies praising him as the people's champion every morning nor get stopped by his goons at every junction and BTS station. But thats about it.

The economy has taken a dive. Hardly any tourists or investors but they are still on a frantic building spree, popping condos and malls all over Bangkok.

If you think this is an accomplishment then you and I have very different definitions of what that is.

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Heybruce might have a go at you for not showing links for any of this. Just warning you.

just check out the vocational schools.

Your comparing the daily terrorist attacks on innocent people funded by the regime's UDD to kids fighting each other at vocational schools? Seriously? What next? Comparing Iraq civil conflict to school yard bullying!

The economy has taken a dive.

What? Where did you hear this? It is the narrative the Junta cannot control that show it is doing a banging job at restoring Thailand to it's former glory. It seems the "belief" factor is overriding the "fact" factor again with the UDD supporters and logic has lost out again to rhetoric.

Under the PTP and the daily terrorist attacks this year Thailand's gross domestic product contracted 0.6% in the first quarter, marking its first year-over-year decline since the 2011 floods. Political instability has clobbered tourism, business spending and domestic demand for imports. Capital expenditures fell 9.8% year over year in the first quarter, public investment crashed 19%, private capital spending fell 7.3% and tourism receipts dropped 6%, After the coup THD has returned 10% year to date while losing 12% the past 12 months under the PTP. IShares MSCI Emerging Markets Index gained 2% in the same periods. IShares MSCI EAFE Index, tracking developed foreign markets, climbed 4% and 15% in those periods according to Credit Suisse which was reported by the Nasdaq. Can the Junta control the Nasdaq narrative? Don't think so.

• The SET had gained 3.6 percent since the military seized power and in fact going by this graph the SET is climbing like a rock climber on yaba! Junta cannot control that narrative can they? Maybe the SET graphs is in my imagination like yingluck said inflation was? Maybe. Doubt it, but maybe.
• Under the PTP and the daily terrorist attacks proven to be orchestrated by the people you defend the economy contracted by 2.1 percent. The banks forecast a 5.5% growth under the Junta. Are the Junta controlling these economic indicators? I don't think so? Maybe fake news?
• The Thai consumer confidence data dropped month after month during the daily terrorist attacks orchestrated by the people you defend and when the Junta took power it climbed month after month. The Junta cannot control that narrative can they? I don't think so? Maybe this is fake news as well. Fake graphs maybe?
• When you look at the Coincident and Leading Economic Indices, Private Consumption Index, Private Investment Index, Manufacturing Production Index, Capacity Utilization, Housing Price Index, Effective Exchange Rate and Business Sentiment Index here it doesn't really follow you agenda driven "Economy has taken a dive" narrative? In fact these indices indicate a strong robust re bounce after the daily terrorist attacks led by the people you support. Junta cannot control this narrative can they?
• The Thai baht seems to think the coup was a stabilizing and positive end to a deadly stalemate as well as is shown here. Can't see the Junta controlling this narrative either? Can you?

​Your comment shows beyond a shadow of a doubt the strength and success of the PTP ministry of propaganda and shows how the gullible can go against the face of all reasoning and facts and still state the opposite of reality because it suits an agenda driven rhetoric by a failed party run by an unelected criminal.

How on earth you can think the economy did better when there were daily terrorist attacks in the capital of the country than now when there is peace is sign enough that fanaticism is a driving factor in ones ethos when describing current events and if you cannot even reason with facts then how on earth are we supposed to believe anything you say?

Nearly forgot.

You deserve the pigeon award for your "Belief" over "Facts" statements. Congratulations.

Well we all have our comparisons djjamie. I mean you and your lot compare Thaksin to Hitler but Suthep and his deluded disciples as champions of democracy. So don't be surprised that people have a different views than your own.

And speaking of terrorists... There are those in both camps or what do you call holding tourists as hostages at the airport. Blocking people from voting or even drag people off the bus, beat them yellow and blue just because they don't share the same opinion as the perpetrators.

I don't condone the actions of the red during 2010, although I get why they did it. Yet you disbelieve when a red got hurt, question the authenticity of the people who wrote the report and the people involved. They must have done it themselves.

However if a yellow gets hurt you lash out at the reds, don't even hesitate to blame them without facts and you call me gullible? Please, you sir are a drone.

I condemn violence on both sides not just one but it is clear that some have stayed here too long, adapted to some sad individuals way of thinking and forgotten two very specific traits that we were taught back home... Objective criticism and critical thinking.

My point was not much has changed when it comes to law and order. It won't take long before the 3 troubled provinces as danger zones. KFC is already out the door, how long before other businesses follow?

They couldn't control one city during the both riots who can they possibly hold on to the south?

Crackdowns on visa holders, booting out low-waged manpower, more censorship and micro management of governmental departments and institutions.

You think these are viable actions to sustain a "healthy" economy? If the US pulled something like this, it would be out for sale within a year.

Your report is interesting but the spokesman for the NCPO just pull too many words such as "predict" and "foresee" that it becomes as believable as a TAT forecast.

Facts over statement, well in this case you proved yours were the quite opposite.

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[fab4]

Your defense of the PTP being more democratic by comparing it to a Junta who never purported to be democratic inadvertently highlights that the PTP are not democratic.

Thank you for assisting my argument.

BTW the Separation of power with checks and balances is laughable. NACC budget reduced by 60% a month after the PTP promised to tackle corruption. The UDD and PTP urging yingluck to ignore the courts and NACC rulings.

The NACC is still there. The courts are still there. The checks and balances have not changed. In fact if anything they have strengthened as the Junta have empowered the NACC to scrutinize all projects which the PTP would not allow. In fact the Junta have shown that they will in no way interfere in the checks and balances at all and proved that by allowing yingluck to travel even in light of recent "checks and balances" guilty verdicts in rice cases against her. The PTP respect the checks and balances so much yingluck decided to attack the checks and balances by questioning the NACC's practices three days before the guilty women left for her unelected, accused mass murderer, accused terrorist convicted criminal brothers birthday. What quint words to describe law abiding upstanding (yes yes elected) citizens.

I could continue but I think everyone gets the point.

Funny that a Junta that never purported to be democratic can be more democratic that a government that only spout democracy (well 1 principle anyway)

<EDIT> Freedom of speech - haha. Might want to ask Akeyuth about that? Yes, yes, it was the driver!!!!! In fact the "missing and murdered" outspoken opponents of thaksin under his rule is more than under the current Junta which is currently zero! There were a lot of angry robbing drivers under the thaksin regime heay!!!

Actually you're the one who keeps insisting the junta is as democratic as the prior government. As you put it:

"So far on the score board of democracy it is

Junta 1 (involving the people)

PTP 1 (free media….to an extent)"

You're really reaching for the rest. Are you really arguing that the press is as free now as it was before the coup? Do you think the junta, which suspended the constitution, will feel constrained by court rulings? Do you think that the junta's method of 'involving the people' is a substitute for elections?

I was correct, everybody understands but you.

BTW, what are your 15 principles of democracy? Do they not include freedom of speech, freedom of association, freedom of press, etc?

While we're at, it let's just disabuse various posters of their belief in the 60% reduction in the NACC budget BS. The NACC budget for 2014 although it has been cut to 1.3 Billion Baht it is still an increase on the 1 Billion baht Budget the NACC Chairwoman said was cut by 60%. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/737298-ncpo-dusts-off-thai-police-station-construction-project/#entry8017382

[JAG]

Stop clouding it with detail. At least two posters have stated that Yingluck cut the budget of NACC (let's call them "the graftbusters", it's much more sexy).Posted twice, and in a way unfavourable to Yingluck, it is now an irrefutable fact.

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