Thousands march for Gaza in London, clashes in Paris over Israeli onslaught

[Ulysses G.]

Some of our members do not seem to understand what a "personal attack" is. Pointing out posts by a  particular member that have an agenda and contain distorted information to suit it, is not a "personal attack". It is rational debate. There has been a lot of excellent reporting on the anti-Semitic nature of those protests and no amount of foolish spin can justify it. 

 

 

The protests have triggered warnings that the spectre of anti-Semitism has returned to haunt Europe.

Protesters have attacked synagogues, smashed the windows of Jewish-owned business and torched others, in scenes disturbingly reminiscent of the 1938 Kristallnacht in France. The marchers have chanted “Jews to the gas chambers”, and Jewish people have been attacked on the streets of Berlin.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10992886/Anti-Semitism-on-the-march-Europe-braces-for-violence.html

Edited July 27, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Ulysses G.]

You are doing your best to ignore the fact that neo-Nazis, Muslim extremists and other anti-Semitic groups are fueling these protests all over the world - not just in London or Germany.


Germany, France and Italy Condemn Anti-Semitic Protesters After Violent Clashes
http://www.newsweek.com/germany-france-and-italy-and-condemn-anti-semitic-protesters-after-violent-clashes-260463

 

 

I suppose some of the people in London today might still try to pretend that they don’t hate Jews. Perhaps some of them would not even do what their co-religionists in France did last week when – intent on violence – they blockaded worshippers inside a Synagogue. But there is only one explanation for their horrible beliefs and actions.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/07/londons-pro-palestine-rally-was-a-disgusting-anti-semitic-spectacle/

Edited July 27, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Steely Dan]

You are doing your best to ignore the fact that neo-Nazis, Muslim extremists and other anti-Semitic groups are fueling these protests all over the world - not just in London or Germany.


Germany, France and Italy Condemn Anti-Semitic Protesters After Violent Clashes
http://www.newsweek.com/germany-france-and-italy-and-condemn-anti-semitic-protesters-after-violent-clashes-260463
 
 
I suppose some of the people in London today might still try to pretend that they don’t hate Jews. Perhaps some of them would not even do what their co-religionists in France did last week when – intent on violence – they blockaded worshippers inside a Synagogue. But there is only one explanation for their horrible beliefs and actions.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/07/londons-pro-palestine-rally-was-a-disgusting-anti-semitic-spectacle/

More from the tiny minority, this time 5000 of them protesting illegally in Paris.

http://news.yahoo.com/hundreds-ignore-ban-paris-protest-israeli-offensive-gaza-162900348.html


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[Scott]

Off-topic posts deleted.   This topic is not about other posters.   Continued references to specific posters will be deleted and warnings will be issued.

 

There is a topic and it's not about any particular member.  

[simple1]

You are doing your best to ignore the fact that neo-Nazis, Muslim extremists and other anti-Semitic groups are fueling these protests all over the world - not just in London or Germany.

 

 

Not at all, well aware of the activities you mention. However, there you go again by assuming a personal attribute, don't think such comment would be considered "rational debate", more like subjective opinion, similar to your post regarding 7x7.

 

"The same people whose abhorrent behavior he is trying to brush off". 

[Ulysses G.]

Off-topic posts deleted.   This topic is not about other posters.   Continued references to specific posters will be deleted and warnings will be issued.
 
There is a topic and it's not about any particular member.

How many times do you have to be told not to try to change the subject to a specific poster and how many times do I have to ignore your attempts to do do? Edited July 27, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Scott]

 

Off-topic posts deleted.   This topic is not about other posters.   Continued references to specific posters will be deleted and warnings will be issued.
 
There is a topic and it's not about any particular member.

How many times do you have to be told not to try to change the subject to a specific poster and how many times do I have to ignore your attempts to do do?

 

 

Some members don't quite get that and spend time in the penalty box for it.   Even then, when they return, they start all over.

 

.....Now back to the topic...
 

[snarky66]

The protestors are abhorrent imho.

 

Israel has every right to defend itself.

[Jay Sata]

The protests in London and other cities highlight the fact that this is not a war of equals, as some suggest.

Israel remains an occupying force that controls Palestinian lives against their will. Palestinians who do not enjoy the same opportunities, dignity and conveniences of civilian life as people in Israel cannot suddenly be considered as equals in a disproportionate conflict.

Former UK deputy Prime. Minister John Prescott has harsh words for Israel in today's Sunday Mirror.
"Israel's 'brutally disproportionate and grossly indiscriminate' bombardment of Gaza must be regarded as a war crime", Labour former deputy prime minister John Prescott said.
Lord Prescott said any other country would be made an international 'pariah' if it acted in the same way, as the reported death toll from the offensive against Hamas reached four figures.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/john-prescott-israels-bombardment-gaza-3918413 Edited July 27, 2014 by Jay Sata

[Ulysses G.]

The Palestinians seem to squander every opportunity and resort to violence. You reap what you sow. 

 

And how did the Gaza Palestinians react to being granted by the Israelis what no previous ruler, neither Egyptian, nor British, nor Turkish, had ever given them — an independent territory? First, they demolished the greenhouses. Then they elected Hamas. Then, instead of building a state with its attendant political and economic institutions, they spent the better part of a decade turning Gaza into a massive military base, brimming with terror weapons, to make ceaseless war on Israel.

Where are the roads and rail, the industry and infrastructure of the new Palestinian state? Nowhere. Instead, they built mile upon mile of underground tunnels to hide their weapons and, when the going gets tough, their military commanders. They spent millions importing and producing rockets, launchers, mortars, small arms, even drones. They deliberately placed them in schools, hospitals, mosques and private homes to better expose their own civilians. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-moral-clarity-in-gaza/2014/07/17/0adabe0c-0de4-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

Edited July 27, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Jay Sata]

The people of Gaza and The West Bank have no independence. Every aspect of their daily lives is controlled by Israel.

A poll conducted by Israeli public opinion firm Dialog found that the majority of Jewish Israelis think that Israel practices apartheid policies against its Arab citizens and that they think this is a good thing.

Two-thirds of Israeli Jews think that the 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank should be denied the right to vote if Israel annexes the area. Half of them want Israels Arab population to be transferred (expelled) from Israel, while a third think that Arab Israelis should be stripped of voting rights.

The majority of the Jewish public wants preferences for Jews over Arabs in admission to jobs in government ministries. Three out of four respondents are in favour of segregated roads, one in two think that Jews should be treated better than Arabs, and 42 percent want neither to live in the same building as Arabs, nor have their children attend the same schools.

Israeli commentator Gideon Levy concluded from the poll: "Israelis themselvesare openly, shamelessly and guiltlessly defining themselves as nationalistic racists."
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/survey-most-israeli-jews-wouldn-t-give-palestinians-vote-if-west-bank-was-annexed.premium-1.471644 Edited July 27, 2014 by Jay Sata

[Ulysses G.]

The people of Gaza and The West Bank have no independence. Every aspect of their daily lives is controlled by Israel.

That is their own fault - as usual. Israel made a genuine effort to help them in the beginning, but the Palestinians destroyed the ability to grow their own food and build their own economy and turned the place into a war zone.

It was less than 10 years ago that worldwide television showed the Israeli army pulling die-hard settlers off synagogue roofs in Gaza as Israel uprooted its settlements, expelled its citizens, withdrew its military and turned every inch of Gaza over to the Palestinians. There was not a soldier, not a settler, not a single Israeli left in Gaza. And there was no blockade. On the contrary. Israel wanted this new Palestinian state to succeed. To help the Gaza economy, Israel gave the Palestinians its 3,000 greenhouses that had produced fruit and flowers for export. It opened border crossings and encouraged commerce. The whole idea was to establish the model for two states living peacefully and productively side by side. No one seems to remember that.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-moral-clarity-in-gaza/2014/07/17/0adabe0c-0de4-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

Edited July 27, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Jay Sata]

Where are the roads and rail, the industry and infrastructure of the new Palestinian state? Nowhere. Instead, they built mile upon mile of underground tunnels to hide their weapons and, when the going gets tough, their military commanders. They spent millions importing and producing rockets, launchers, mortars, small arms, even drones. They deliberately placed them in schools, hospitals, mosques and private homes to better expose their own civilians. 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-moral-clarity-in-gaza/2014/07/17/0adabe0c-0de4-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

How exactly are they supposed to build anything let alone a railway! It just goes to show how out of touch that guy is with the reality of daily life in Gaza.
The are denied construction materials and equipment plus most of the day to day item we take for granted.

The damage done by the Israeli army can not be repaired without cement which is an item banned by Netanyahu and his cronies.

Nothing is allowed to enter or leave the area without Israel's approval.

[Jingthing]

Don't forget that many Gazans are victims of their own thuggish Hamas so called government. Yes, they were "elected" but do you think they will be having another election? Dream on.

 

 

[Ulysses G.]

How exactly are they supposed to build anything let alone a railway! It just goes to show how out of touch that guy is with the reality of daily life in Gaza.
The are denied construction materials and equipment plus most of the day to day item we take for granted.

Au contraire. He is an expert on the subject. They could have built anything that they wanted. THERE WAS NO BLOCKADE until the Palestinians turned Gaza into one big terrorist military garrison. As usual, they ruined it for themselves.

[Jay Sata]

 

How exactly are they supposed to build anything let alone a railway! It just goes to show how out of touch that guy is with the reality of daily life in Gaza.
The are denied construction materials and equipment plus most of the day to day item we take for granted.

Au contraire. He is an expert on the subject. They could have built anything that they wanted. THERE WAS NO BLOCKADE until the Palestinians turned Gaza into one big terrorist military garrison. As usual, they ruined it for themselves.

 

Charles Krauthammer is a Jewish right wing pro Israel US commentator and regular on Fox News. 

 

We all know what to make of that extreme right wing tv station! How are the poor Palestinian ever going to repair the genocide and destruction?

 

It is pictures like this that are fuelling the world protests.

[Ulysses G.]

Charles Krauthammer is a Jewish right wing pro Israel US commentator and regular on Fox News.

He is a certified genius, Pulitzer Prize-winning syndicated columnist, author, political commentator, and physician. His bestseller - Things That Matter: Three Decades of Passions, Pastimes and Politics - was a bestseller that remained on the New York Times bestseller list for 22 weeks, 10 weeks in a row at number one on the New York Times bestseller list.

They long not just for dead Jews, they long for dead Palestinians so that can be shown to the world in sympathy, That is the most cynical, the most depraved form of warfare imaginable. They practice it and we are seeing it before our eyes. The one thing the U.N. hasnt done as it should do is to condemn Hamas in Gaza for their use of human shields.
-Charles Krauthammer Edited July 27, 2014 by Ulysses G.

[Jingthing]

Charles Krauthammer is one of the few American conservatives that I respect (as I'm a liberal). Indeed, he is brilliant. Not always right of course, but brilliant. His personal life history is quite remarkable as well.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/charles-krauthammer

[thaibeachlovers]

In 1971 I travelled as a student through Israel and the West bank: an open border was between the Kingdom of Siam and the Kingdom of Lanna: students from all the world, inclusive Palestines: all young persons of the World.
The years later terrorist attacks, rockets, grenades from the Palestines towards the Israëli's In their manifest ( constitution): Israel must be wiped away, the jews driven into the see.
I wonder what would have been the attitude of the USA if Mexico, would behave like that, or on daily bases rockets were lunched from Laos to Nong Kai.
Even the Israelis do their utmost to protect also Palestinian civilians see the statement of a British general at the UN see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlmFc1R8evY&feature=youtube_gdata_player -, sorry, but 100% protection is impossible, especially when rockets are stored in schools, hospitals etc, see UNWRA school even. And you think, this is the only case ? ?
All recourses in Gaza are used for the military and NOT for schools, water supply, electricity etc as.. why should they, US and EU taxpayers money supports that already since 1948

Why do people bring up that pathetic excuse about what would the US do if Mexico or Canada was rocketing them? Fact is, the US hasn't occupied Mexico or Canada since 1948 and driven most of the population into exile. The Canadian and Mexican population aren't mainly refugees in crowded camps. They have no reason to rocket the US.

The reason for the rockets is the illegal occupation and the collective punishment of people that weren't even born in 1948.

Burning israeli flags on the streets of European cities and applauding crowds show that while israel might win the war, it is losing the battle for public support throughout the world.

Sew the wind, reap the whirlwind.

<see the statement of a British general at the UN >
Who would believe any western establishment figure, ESPECIALLY at the UN? They are all pro israeli. Edited July 27, 2014 by thaibeachlovers

[Jay Sata]

This is what we see in the UK newspapers today where Fox News and its so called experts are regarded as a joke.

 

 

The world has reacted in disgust to pictures of the indiscriminate slaughter of civilians in Gaza, including women and children, since Israel launched an offensive against Hamas 19 days ago.In France, several hundred people also flouted a ban to protest after an attempt to halt yesterday's demonstration following an attack on a synagogue and Jewish-owned shops in a Paris suburb. The demonstrators ignored calls from Bernard Cazeneuve, the interior minister, for the ban to be observed, after he claimed chatter on social networks had indicated a risk it could become a "cortège of violence".Other pro-Gaza demonstrations were also mounted in cities around the globe, including Dublin, Singapore, Washington DC, San Francisco, Auckland and Melbourne.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/israelgaza-conflict-more-than-a-million-people-around-the-world-take-to-the-streets-to-protest-at-the-horrific-carnage-unfolding-in-gaza-9630883.html

 

 

 

 

 

Chris Cook, 30, a construction worker from London, said: "I believe this has gone too far for too many years now. The fact that about 10 children a day die is just outrageous."

Skeena Bowen Colthurst, from Brighton, said: "To me the whole thing is so unfair. Palestine needs to have a country of its own, as Israel was given Palestine."

Sorrel Dendy, a 19-year-old student was marching in Cardiff. She said: "Many here have come out because they are passionate about this issue. Some haven't taken part in a protest before. I think people have realised if you want anything done in this world you have to go out and say it, show it. People are sick of oppression, sick of violence and killing. America and the UK have worsened the problems and done nothing to help Palestinians."

 

Edited July 27, 2014 by Jay Sata

[thaibeachlovers]

Charles Krauthammer is a Jewish right wing pro Israel US commentator and regular on Fox News.

He is a certified genius, Pulitzer Prize-winning syndicated columnist, author, political commentator, and physician. His bestseller - Things That Matter: Three Decades of Passions, Pastimes and Politics - was a bestseller that remained on the New York Times bestseller list for 22 weeks, 10 weeks in a row at number one on the New York Times bestseller list.

They long not just for dead Jews, they long for dead Palestinians so that can be shown to the world in sympathy, That is the most cynical, the most depraved form of warfare imaginable. They practice it and we are seeing it before our eyes. The one thing the U.N. hasnt done as it should do is to condemn Hamas in Gaza for their use of human shields.
-Charles Krauthammer

I like Krauthammer a lot, but he is a JEW. Would you expect him to support the Palestinians?

[Ulysses G.]

Charles Krauthammer is a Jewish right wing pro Israel US commentator and regular on Fox News.

He is a certified genius, Pulitzer Prize-winning syndicated columnist, author, political commentator, and physician. His bestseller - Things That Matter: Three Decades of Passions, Pastimes and Politics - was a bestseller that remained on the New York Times bestseller list for 22 weeks, 10 weeks in a row at number one on the New York Times bestseller list.

They long not just for dead Jews, they long for dead Palestinians so that can be shown to the world in sympathy, That is the most cynical, the most depraved form of warfare imaginable. They practice it and we are seeing it before our eyes. The one thing the U.N. hasnt done as it should do is to condemn Hamas in Gaza for their use of human shields.
-Charles Krauthammer

I like Krauthammer a lot, but he is a JEW. Would you expect him to support the Palestinians?

Plenty of them do. They have all kinds of varied opinions on just about everything - no hive mind.

[Jay Sata]

 

I like Krauthammer a lot, but he is a JEW. Would you expect him to support the Palestinians?

 

Noam Chomsky does and he is Jewish. There are many Jewish people who abhor the collective punishment dished out by Israel.

He is highly critical of the policies of Israel towards the Palestinian and its Arab neighbors. 

Edited July 27, 2014 by Jay Sata

[Jingthing]

I like Krauthammer a lot, but he is a JEW. Would you expect him to support the Palestinians?

 

Oh, no, we can't listen to him. He's a JEW! 

Edited July 27, 2014 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

This is what we see in the UK newspapers today where Fox News and its so called experts are regarded as a joke.
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Where are the million global protesters when there are Muslim-Muslim violent conflicts with MASSIVELY greater civilian causalities than in Gaza? Seriously? Where? You don't see them. Why is that? Funny, there it is again. Disproportionate negative attention on the worlds only tiny Jewish state. A coincidence?

Edited July 27, 2014 by Jingthing

[thaibeachlovers]

The people of Gaza and The West Bank have no independence. Every aspect of their daily lives is controlled by Israel.

That is their own fault - as usual. Israel made a genuine effort to help them in the beginning, but the Palestinians destroyed the ability to grow their own food and build their own economy and turned the place into a war zone.

It was less than 10 years ago that worldwide television showed the Israeli army pulling die-hard settlers off synagogue roofs in Gaza as Israel uprooted its settlements, expelled its citizens, withdrew its military and turned every inch of Gaza over to the Palestinians. There was not a soldier, not a settler, not a single Israeli left in Gaza. And there was no blockade. On the contrary. Israel wanted this new Palestinian state to succeed. To help the Gaza economy, Israel gave the Palestinians its 3,000 greenhouses that had produced fruit and flowers for export. It opened border crossings and encouraged commerce. The whole idea was to establish the model for two states living peacefully and productively side by side. No one seems to remember that.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-moral-clarity-in-gaza/2014/07/17/0adabe0c-0de4-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

Keep spouting the propaganda.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/international/middleeast/15mideast.html?pagewanted=all

Of the roughly 1,000 acres of agricultural land that were under greenhouses in the 21 Israeli settlements in Gaza, only 500 acres remain - creating significant doubts that the greenhouses could be handed over to the Palestinians as "a living business," the goal cited by the Israeli coordinator of the pullout, Eival Giladi.

Lets remember WHY Gaza was evacuated by the israelis and it wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts. Edited July 27, 2014 by thaibeachlovers

[thaibeachlovers]

I like Krauthammer a lot, but he is a JEW. Would you expect him to support the Palestinians?

Noam Chomsky does and he is Jewish. There are many Jewish people who abhor the collective punishment dished out by Israel.
He is highly critical of the policies of Israel towards the Palestinian and its Arab neighbors. 

Yes, and they hate him.

[Jingthing]

 

 

I like Krauthammer a lot, but he is a JEW. Would you expect him to support the Palestinians?

Noam Chomsky does and he is Jewish. There are many Jewish people who abhor the collective punishment dished out by Israel.
He is highly critical of the policies of Israel towards the Palestinian and its Arab neighbors. 

 

Yes, and they hate him.

 

"They" huh?

Those people.

You do realize how that sounds, right?

As my African American friends might say, oh no you di'int!

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[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory and other posts and replies deleted.  

 

Please don't use inflammatory language when posting.  

 

 

[wigantojapan]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/britain-admits-selling-12-billion-in-weapons-to-israel/5393215

Britain Admits Selling $12 Billion in Weapons to Israel   Data published in a new report from the House of Commons in London states the value of all British military exports to Israel currently being processed comes to £7.9 billion ($12.1 billion).

This data was supplied by Vince Cable, Britain’s business secretary, who oversees the weapons trade.