Thaksin orders Pheu Thai, red-shirt leaders to forgive and forget: report

[Siripon]

'Thaksin orders...' 5555,he's the past, even though Thai people have a tendency to love authoritarianism, a 'strong leader', it's time to move on, history is against the patronising tone of Thaksin.

Many of the the working class are working in Korea, Singapore, Israel, many or their relatives are married to or know foreigners, 'the phu yai knows best, can help fix your problems', the patronage system... it's fading, even though someone with as much money as Thaksin thinks he can still 'control the game'.

The twin grandchildren is a desperate attempt to portray the human touch, 'hey, we're all the same rich and poor, we love our families' but it won't work.

Red shirts, please find decent local community leaders, not scum like Arisaman.

Can you do it?

[ginjag]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin is neither generous nor humble.

He is a criminal on the run.

End.

If asking to forgive and forget are not generous and humble, then you must be a man without soul

Yes Taksin ran from a Kangaroo court verdict for signing as spouse in a open tender document.

Because your thoughts of a westerner on TVF re Thaksin are just from a splinter of members---does that not make you think / or question your self ??

You have to think that the vast TVF westerners know the man to be as devious as some mother in laws. (ha) is that alone not making you think ??

If not then roll the pro Thaksin rubbish out and clutter the posts like a few do with this rhetoric.

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed.

[northernjohn]

I take immense pleasure in knowing that these kids will grow up asking who that square headed man in the photo in the hallway is.

He may see them once or twice a year, but his arrogance, cowardice and corruption is costing him far more than the money was ever worth.

...he will die a sad, lonely man.

You are a sick f*** taking pleasure in the break up of a family.

Wasn't him that ran away like a coward?

No sympathy here for him either, he deserves everything he gets in terms of any disruption in his life.

Plus a lot more.

Nothing wrong with Thaksin that ten twenty years in the Thailand crowbar hotel wouldn't fix.

[Eric Loh]

'Thaksin orders...' 5555,he's the past, even though Thai people have a tendency to love authoritarianism, a 'strong leader', it's time to move on, history is against the patronising tone of Thaksin.

Many of the the working class are working in Korea, Singapore, Israel, many or their relatives are married to or know foreigners, 'the phu yai knows best, can help fix your problems', the patronage system... it's fading, even though someone with as much money as Thaksin thinks he can still 'control the game'.

The twin grandchildren is a desperate attempt to portray the human touch, 'hey, we're all the same rich and poor, we love our families' but it won't work.

Red shirts, please find decent local community leaders, not scum like Arisaman.

Can you do it?

Would you include Suterp as scum qnd find decent community leaders. If you do that I am with you to get rid of all scum.

[ginjag]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin, generous and humble??? They are not words normally associated with said person.

Tony Blair is another one from the same mold.

There you go

So they are but TB did not have his term terminated by a coup and neither was he charged in a kangaroo court.

Didn't Thaksin resign ???? then reinstated himself ?? sorry Khun Thaksin not allowed.

[louse1953]

55555,he still thinks he's relevant.

[tingtongteesood]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin, generous and humble??? They are not words normally associated with said person.

Tony Blair is another one from the same mold.

There you go

So they are but TB did not have his term terminated by a coup and neither was he charged in a kangaroo court.

And neither did Thaksin in the real world, though what happened in your imaginary world I can not say....

[khunken]

Didn't mean for you to take this so personally.

Good politicians implement good ideas, not just their own. Thaksin did not hinder the progress of the Skytrain, he helped to allow a private firm to finance the cost of operating the train system thereby allowing the extensions to happen.

The FIDF (Financial Institutions Development Fund) debts was a big government issue that really wasn't the responsibility of Thaksin, but he got in front of it. The Finance Ministry had been pushing for the Bank of Thailand to take sole responsibility for the FIDF's loss, but the government finally agreed to take the burden of the interest payments with the central bank taking on the principal payments. A nice compromise.

MCOT was technically partially privatized, 23% of the company, In August 2004, the Thai government corporatized the Mass Communications Organization of Thailand and renamed it MCOT Pcl. A step in the right direction.

The insurgence in the south came to a head after an attack on the Army camp in Narathiwat province, resulting in the execution of 4 soldiers. Thaksin declared martial law, but more incidents and insurgent attacks continued. Being criticized greatly, In 2005, Thaksin commissioned the NRC to suggest ways to bring peace to the troubled South. In June 2006, it's published recommendations:

(1) making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) a working language for the three provinces of Pattani, Narathiwat, and Yala.

(2) establishing a single administration for the provinces.

(3) re-introducing Islamic law.

The political crisis in 2006 and subsequent September coup halted any progression of these recommendations.

Quoting Mafia Kingpin, Khun Yai: “About a quarter of my family’s income was gone within three months after the drug war started,” The mafia reduced drug trafficking and diverted their funds into other means of making money like entertainment complexes. They realized they could make more money on the legalization of casinos, etc. Thaksin learned a lesson about giving "free reign" to the police force and had to pull back.

Next...

So you've been sneaky and added a whole lot more junk after I replied to your repetition of the lie about the skytrain.

I did'nt say that the FIDF debt was Thaksin's fault. He certainly did not get in front or behind it. It languished as a government debt until 2012 when, in order to artificially reduce government debt, Kittirat (the liar) swept the debt under the BOT's carpet. It was no 'compromise' it was against the BOT's advice and is still very much outstanding.

You've changed your tune on MCOT I see. First it was privatised, now it's partially privatised - a completely different thing.

The major escalation of the Pattani insurgency started with Thaksin dismantling the SBPAC (name maybe not accurate), which included the military, police and local representatives, and replacing it with a police led unpopular substitute which then led to the attack on the army camp. Tak Bai & Krue Se also compounded the unrest there.

A spurious quote from one alleged mafia source does not make an argument. There is no real evidence that the disastrous 'drug war' did any good apart from a temporary halt by the 'lords' and Thaksin certainly didn't learn anything from it. The country certainly learned what sort of a criminal enforcer that they had who was ruling by decree.

Sorry, I accidentally submitted an unfinished post.

So Thaksin should be responsible for the FIDF's debt and it's accumulation to date?

General privatization statements include specific application to its parts.

So if the insurgency would have been stopped if Thaksin did not make any changes?

"There is no evidence" precedes any weak argument. Group that with, "Apparently" and "According to"…

A popular logical fallacy here on this forum:

Personal Attack (Argumentum Ad Hominem, literally, "argument toward the man." Also called "Poisoning the Well"): Attacking or praising the people who make an argument, rather than discussing the argument itself. This practice is fallacious because the personal character of an individual is logically irrelevant to the truth or falseness of the argument itself.

Why twist what I said. I didn't say he was responsible for the debt only that he did nothing about it. Is that clear enough for you to understand?

Another twist:

General privatization statements include specific application to its parts.

No they don't. Half-truths are not truth.

Yet another distortion of what I said: So if the insurgency would have been stopped if Thaksin did not make any changes? NO, I said that his interference caused a major escalation in the violence.

I have been discussing the mostly fallacious arguments you made and pointing out where they are untrue. I haven't twisted your arguments which you have done to my statements. I'm off now to make better use of my time than debating with a charlatan.

[Cuchulainn]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin is neither generous nor humble.

He is a criminal on the run.

End.

If asking to forgive and forget are not generous and humble, then you must be a man without soul

Yes Taksin ran from a Kangaroo court verdict for signing as spouse in a open tender document.

Yes 'Eric'. Keep on taking the tablets.

Thaksin has more faces than Mt Rushmore.

[northernjohn]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin, generous and humble??? They are not words normally associated with said person.

Tony Blair is another one from the same mold.

There you go

So they are but TB did not have his term terminated by a coup and neither was he charged in a kangaroo court.

Didn't Thaksin resign ???? then reinstated himself ?? sorry Khun Thaksin not allowed.

You are correct.

But facts and reality do not serve a dreamers purpose so they are ignored.

As I read it if I was to take it on it's face value I would think he was so overcome by the love he has for two Grandchildren that he wants peace.

So he is openly admitting that he is the man behind all the corruption and political unrest and is going to end it.

Of course when he said it his mouth was moving and we all know that is how to tell he is lying.

[northernjohn]

Didn't mean for you to take this so personally.

Good politicians implement good ideas, not just their own. Thaksin did not hinder the progress of the Skytrain, he helped to allow a private firm to finance the cost of operating the train system thereby allowing the extensions to happen.

The FIDF (Financial Institutions Development Fund) debts was a big government issue that really wasn't the responsibility of Thaksin, but he got in front of it. The Finance Ministry had been pushing for the Bank of Thailand to take sole responsibility for the FIDF's loss, but the government finally agreed to take the burden of the interest payments with the central bank taking on the principal payments. A nice compromise.

MCOT was technically partially privatized, 23% of the company, In August 2004, the Thai government corporatized the Mass Communications Organization of Thailand and renamed it MCOT Pcl. A step in the right direction.

The insurgence in the south came to a head after an attack on the Army camp in Narathiwat province, resulting in the execution of 4 soldiers. Thaksin declared martial law, but more incidents and insurgent attacks continued. Being criticized greatly, In 2005, Thaksin commissioned the NRC to suggest ways to bring peace to the troubled South. In June 2006, it's published recommendations:

(1) making Pattani-Malay (Yawi) a working language for the three provinces of Pattani, Narathiwat, and Yala.

(2) establishing a single administration for the provinces.

(3) re-introducing Islamic law.

The political crisis in 2006 and subsequent September coup halted any progression of these recommendations.

Quoting Mafia Kingpin, Khun Yai: “About a quarter of my family’s income was gone within three months after the drug war started,” The mafia reduced drug trafficking and diverted their funds into other means of making money like entertainment complexes. They realized they could make more money on the legalization of casinos, etc. Thaksin learned a lesson about giving "free reign" to the police force and had to pull back.

Next...

So you've been sneaky and added a whole lot more junk after I replied to your repetition of the lie about the skytrain.

I did'nt say that the FIDF debt was Thaksin's fault. He certainly did not get in front or behind it. It languished as a government debt until 2012 when, in order to artificially reduce government debt, Kittirat (the liar) swept the debt under the BOT's carpet. It was no 'compromise' it was against the BOT's advice and is still very much outstanding.

You've changed your tune on MCOT I see. First it was privatised, now it's partially privatised - a completely different thing.

The major escalation of the Pattani insurgency started with Thaksin dismantling the SBPAC (name maybe not accurate), which included the military, police and local representatives, and replacing it with a police led unpopular substitute which then led to the attack on the army camp. Tak Bai & Krue Se also compounded the unrest there.

A spurious quote from one alleged mafia source does not make an argument. There is no real evidence that the disastrous 'drug war' did any good apart from a temporary halt by the 'lords' and Thaksin certainly didn't learn anything from it. The country certainly learned what sort of a criminal enforcer that they had who was ruling by decree.

Sorry, I accidentally submitted an unfinished post.

So Thaksin should be responsible for the FIDF's debt and it's accumulation to date?

General privatization statements include specific application to its parts.

So if the insurgency would have been stopped if Thaksin did not make any changes?

"There is no evidence" precedes any weak argument. Group that with, "Apparently" and "According to"…

A popular logical fallacy here on this forum:

Personal Attack (Argumentum Ad Hominem, literally, "argument toward the man." Also called "Poisoning the Well"): Attacking or praising the people who make an argument, rather than discussing the argument itself. This practice is fallacious because the personal character of an individual is logically irrelevant to the truth or falseness of the argument itself.

Why twist what I said. I didn't say he was responsible for the debt only that he did nothing about it. Is that clear enough for you to understand?

Another twist:

General privatization statements include specific application to its parts.

No they don't. Half-truths are not truth.

Yet another distortion of what I said: So if the insurgency would have been stopped if Thaksin did not make any changes? NO, I said that his interference caused a major escalation in the violence.

I have been discussing the mostly fallacious arguments you made and pointing out where they are untrue. I haven't twisted your arguments which you have done to my statements. I'm off now to make better use of my time than debating with a charlatan.

Don't be hard on him. He only knows what Thaksin tells him. Any thing else is false to his way of thinking. It is indeed a sad thing to see that after all that has happened some people are still clueless as to the depth of the depravity of Thaksin.

[Eric Loh]

55555,he still thinks he's relevant.

Media still think he is relevant which is why they reporting on him and every tidbits of news. This must be quite concerning to the oppositions going into next year election.

[BirdsandBooze]

The disadvantaged of Thailand will never be truly represented until egomaniac Thaksin withdraws from the picture to allow someone with genuine concern to look out for them.

[ginjag]

55555,he still thinks he's relevant.

Media still think he is relevant which is why they reporting on him and every tidbits of news. This must be quite concerning to the oppositions going into next year election.

Do you think we have fell off the back of a number nine bus??? They report it because even if he is an armhole it sells papers.

If you think he will do well involved in future elections your puddled. why not stop the troll wind ups, they have whiskers on.

[boomerangutang]

One of the most lamentable legacies Thaksin left behind: "It's ok to cheat. It's ok to lie, if lying and cheating gain more money and political power."

The youth of Thailand need decent role models. Thaksin was and is one of the most influential people for a generation of Thai youngsters. Look at the types of examples he set. Thailand needs to grow out of midieval beliefs in ghosts and bribes and money worship. A heavy influence like Thaksin reinforces such character flaws.

[dukebowling]

So you've been sneaky and added a whole lot more junk after I replied to your repetition of the lie about the skytrain.

I did'nt say that the FIDF debt was Thaksin's fault. He certainly did not get in front or behind it. It languished as a government debt until 2012 when, in order to artificially reduce government debt, Kittirat (the liar) swept the debt under the BOT's carpet. It was no 'compromise' it was against the BOT's advice and is still very much outstanding.

You've changed your tune on MCOT I see. First it was privatised, now it's partially privatised - a completely different thing.

The major escalation of the Pattani insurgency started with Thaksin dismantling the SBPAC (name maybe not accurate), which included the military, police and local representatives, and replacing it with a police led unpopular substitute which then led to the attack on the army camp. Tak Bai & Krue Se also compounded the unrest there.

A spurious quote from one alleged mafia source does not make an argument. There is no real evidence that the disastrous 'drug war' did any good apart from a temporary halt by the 'lords' and Thaksin certainly didn't learn anything from it. The country certainly learned what sort of a criminal enforcer that they had who was ruling by decree.

Sorry, I accidentally submitted an unfinished post.

So Thaksin should be responsible for the FIDF's debt and it's accumulation to date?

General privatization statements include specific application to its parts.

So if the insurgency would have been stopped if Thaksin did not make any changes?

"There is no evidence" precedes any weak argument. Group that with, "Apparently" and "According to"…

A popular logical fallacy here on this forum:

Personal Attack (Argumentum Ad Hominem, literally, "argument toward the man." Also called "Poisoning the Well"): Attacking or praising the people who make an argument, rather than discussing the argument itself. This practice is fallacious because the personal character of an individual is logically irrelevant to the truth or falseness of the argument itself.

Why twist what I said. I didn't say he was responsible for the debt only that he did nothing about it. Is that clear enough for you to understand?

Another twist:

General privatization statements include specific application to its parts.

No they don't. Half-truths are not truth.

Yet another distortion of what I said: So if the insurgency would have been stopped if Thaksin did not make any changes? NO, I said that his interference caused a major escalation in the violence.

I have been discussing the mostly fallacious arguments you made and pointing out where they are untrue. I haven't twisted your arguments which you have done to my statements. I'm off now to make better use of my time than debating with a charlatan.

Don't be hard on him. He only knows what Thaksin tells him. Any thing else is false to his way of thinking. It is indeed a sad thing to see that after all that has happened some people are still clueless as to the depth of the depravity of Thaksin.

Argumentum Ad Hominem will always be a logical fallacy.

[mikehock]

Thaksin orders Pheu Thai, red-shirt leaders to forgive and forget: report

August 17, 2014 9:55 am

BANGKOK: -- Overjoyed with news that he is about to have twin granddaughters, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has ordered leaders of the Pheu Thai Party and the red-shirt movement to withdraw all legal lawsuits against their political opponents, Thairath TV reported.

It quoted a Pheu Thai source as saying that Thaksin wanted the Pheu Thai and red-shirt leaders to forgive and forget and end the conflicts during the tenure of the junta.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Thaksin-orders-Pheu-Thai-red-shirt-leaders-to-forg-30241101.html

-- The Nation 2014-08-17

I long for the day when noone cares what this man says and the media stop reporting it.

[alfalfa19]

Awww, isn't that nice. I always knew Mr. T. was just a big teddy bear at heart.

[moe666]

He will soon be crying and singing the blues that all he wants is to see his grandkids

[rubl]

Didn't mean for you to take this so personally.

Good politicians implement good ideas, not just there own. Thaksin did not hinder the progress of the Skytrain, he helped to ammend a law in order to allow a private firm to finance the cost of operating the train system

Do you mean he was in a government that allowed private investment in the Skytrain?

Yes, he did do his best (and thankfully failed) to prevent the extensiions of the BTS by the BMA (run by the opposition). I was here at the time and remember it vividly.

I don't take any of your efforts to falsely boost your hero personally. I do reply quite often to obvious bs posts.

The BMA ended up financing a larger part of the Thonburi extension.

And of course we had Thaksin's proxy Ms Yingluck promising seemless integration with and support of BMA when the right Bangkok Governor would be chosen.

[ginjag]

He will soon be crying and singing the blues that all he wants is to see his grandkids

They can go to visit him, lovely take your bucket and spades kids there is more sand than you will ever need.

[rubl]

My vife supports the red shirts.

Personally I do not like that a democratically elected government is overthrown.

Many comments here shows a citydump proletarian mentality.

Well thank you very much for your obviously well though through and out opinion. Obviously you must have studied at some of world's finest universities.

Could you explain to us lesser beings what the heck you mean with 'citydump proletarian mentality'? Are you perchance one of those elite loving chaps who look down on others who do not share your ideas and opinion?

Edited August 17, 2014 by rubl

[rametindallas]

Prove that he is the sole party responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. I double dawg dare ya! But that require you guys to think....naw that isn't going to happen.

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2fishin2. Fishin', is that like trolling?

[ratcatcher]

Prove that he is the sole party responsible for all of Thailand's troubles. I double dawg dare ya! But that require you guys to think....naw that isn't going to happen.

Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect Thailand

2fishin2. Fishin', is that like trolling?

No, but he maybe in seine. What a drag.

[dru2]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Pathetic - but par for the course.

[dru2]

Just having fun reading the number of ways to vilify Taksin when all he asked was pretty much generous and humble. Do you vilify your PM or President in the someway? At least that meant something to you as fellow countrymen

Thaksin is neither generous nor humble.

He is a criminal on the run.

End.

If asking to forgive and forget are not generous and humble, then you must be a man without soul

Yes Taksin ran from a Kangaroo court verdict for signing as spouse in a open tender document.

Even a crawling sycophant should be able to spell his master's name correctly.

[rametindallas]

Thaksin orders Pheu Thai, red-shirt leaders to forgive and forget: report

August 17, 2014 9:55 am

BANGKOK: -- Overjoyed with news that he is about to have twin granddaughters, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has ordered leaders of the Pheu Thai Party and the red-shirt movement to withdraw all legal lawsuits against their political opponents, Thairath TV reported.

It quoted a Pheu Thai source as saying that Thaksin wanted the Pheu Thai and red-shirt leaders to forgive and forget and end the conflicts during the tenure of the junta.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/Thaksin-orders-Pheu-Thai-red-shirt-leaders-to-forg-30241101.html

-- The Nation 2014-08-17

I long for the day when noone cares what this man says and the media stop reporting it.

I would like to read his obituary, though.

[poweratradio]

please capture this dictator and lock him up

Yesss. Doesn't Thailand have a Delta Force for black ops??? Go get him boys. Use extreme prejudice! Ok ok to many movies perhaps but possibilities do exist.

[wealth]

isn't there a hidden threat? After allegedly calling in the jackals from another shadow govt he tries to tell us, stop to investigate further into my illegal activities and I stop suing you ... I'm sure it will fail.