UDD seeks fair probe of Men In Black case

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UDD seeks fair probe of Men In Black case

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BANGKOK: -- Redshirt leaders today petitioned the Royal Thai Police seeking fair investigation in a case of which five members of the so-called 'Men in Black' were arrested and accused.

They claimed that a recent press conference and reenactment of crimes by the police had misled the public into thinking that the five suspects were responsible for battling the soldiers that resulted in the death of Gen Romklao Thuvatham.

The leaders who included Jatuporn Prompan, leader of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), Mrs Thida Tawornset, Weng Tochirakarn and a lawyer submitted the petition to deputy commissioner of the Royal Thai police Pol Gen Somyot Phumphanmuang.

In the petition, they said all the five Men in Black members were only indicted by the police of having war weapon in possession, carrying and using them with no authority.

Besides, they said the time and place of the battling by this group of men with troops was also not the same time and same place as where Gen Romklao was killed.

Significantly the redshirt leaders said Gen Romklao and four soldiers were killed by a M67 hand grenade lobbed into them and not the weapon which the police displayed at the press conference.

They also claimed there was no post mortem examinations of their bodies under requirement of the Criminal Procedure Code, except the body of Pvt Narongvit Sara.

They said the police-organised press conference was intended to link the violent protests in 2010 and 2014 together to mislead the public into believing that the violent acts were interconnected.

They said the police press conference carried ambiguous information and lacked accountability.

Pol Gen Somyot is chief investigator of the politically-related violence cases, notably the April 10, 2010 bloody protest that killed Gen Romklao.

Source: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/udd-seeks-fair-probe-men-black-case/


-- Thai PBS 2014-09-18

[TVGerry]

Fair probe? You mean if red shirts are involved, it's only fair they're 'innocent'. After all, all red shirts are poor, downtrodden farmers who only protested peacefully.

[Gunna]

Another UDD fairy tale - a complete work of fiction.

So they need a petition to ask for a fair probe from a Army controlled Police force that for the first time in years is actually catching criminals and not being told to look the other way by TS & PTP

[Nickymaster]

They said the police press conference carried ambiguous information and lacked accountability.

Yes because Chalerm had a lot of accountability when he was in charge the of the RTP!! He did fairly well cleaning op their traces. Apparently there are still some left. They must be shi...ng bricks.

Didn't the suspects confess?

[Nickymaster]

Another UDD fairy tale - a complete work of fiction.

So they need a petition to ask for a fair probe from a Army controlled Police force that for the first time in years is actually catching criminals and not being told to look the other way by TS & PTP

[AleG]

I don't recall them expressing the same concerns when the "Popcorn Gunman" was being paraded complete with balaclava, (wrong) assault rifle and a popcorn bag during a police conference and reenactment. Whatever happened with the "No Double Standards" standard?

Significantly the redshirt leaders said Gen Romklao and four soldiers were killed by a M67 hand grenade lobbed into them and not the weapon which the police displayed at the press conference.

This, as far as I know, comes from Robert Amsterdam's "research", where he tried to insinuate that it was a case of fragging by a fellow soldier rather than a grenade fired by the MiB. Based on bugger all evidence, needless to say.

Besides that perhaps the UDD leadership could have taken the opportunity (that they haven't taken in the last four years) to encourage their followers to come forward as witnesses to the events to help catch the "real" MiB.

[dBrown]

Why is the UDD so concerned about the fairness of the investigation of the men in black, since they have always denied the existence of them, and for sure they were not related to the UDD.

[halloween]

Why is Jatuporn bothering the police instead of facing a court for his own terrorism charges? His trial was delayed because some of his co-accused were appointed by party list to MP positions; positions which they no longer hold.

The sooner this fat fool and his mercenary mongrel mates are tried, convicted and executed, the better off this country will be.

[Cuchulainn]

Why is Jatuporn bothering the police instead of facing a court for his own terrorism charges? His trial was delayed because some of his co-accused were appointed by party list to MP positions; positions which they no longer hold.

The sooner this fat fool and his mercenary mongrel mates are tried, convicted and executed, the better off this country will be.

That specimen is an insult to fat fools.

[Tatsujin]

Good to see the UDD call for the fair trial of some of its non-violent peaceful members . . . hopefully once it's all said and done, we can finally dispel the rumor that the PT/UDD (and whatever other letter incarnations there have been over the years) are NOT peaceful whatosever, and were indeed the source of at least "some" of the MiB that they still deny ever existed.

[klauskunkel]

Jatuporn can read - I knew he could incite others to violence and crime,...but reading...I did not know that about him. This really changes my attitude towards him and the UDD, there is hope yet! Use this skill, Jatuporn, use it!

[EnglishJohn]

As I recall, all investigation into men in black was stopped and the focus of the DSI was to prove as many red-shirts were 'killed by soldiers' as they could. There was no attempt to say why the soldiers were shooting and I don't remember any mention of what killed the soldiers.

Prayuth must be happy inside that his boys might get some justice after all. We've all seen enough of what red-shirts will do by now to have a pretty good idea of what happened. These people are enemies of the state and these latest statements show what a bunch of shameless hypocrites they are.

[Eric Loh]

Another UDD fairy tale - a complete work of fiction.

So they need a petition to ask for a fair probe from a Army controlled Police force that for the first time in years is actually catching criminals and not being told to look the other way by TS & PTP

Quite right, certainly a work of fiction and imagination by you. Even Somyos deny the police is linking the MIB to UDD and the death of Romklao.

[worgeordie]

"Fair probe", what about a cattle prod right up their <deleted>,Oh, can you

say that about red shirts, think will be ok, the balance of power has shifted.

regards worgeordie

[seajae]

the reds are really getting worried now, the black shirts they denied even existed have stated they were really red shirts and that they were following orders to kill everyone,. Seems that the red leaders dont like being linked to the killings in case they are also arrested, especially when it is by a non existent group according to them, their house is falling down around their ears, couldnt be better and it is the ones they denied that are doing it

[rickirs]

Creditability is a problem for the Royal Thai police who now operate under martial law and authority of the Thai military Junta. To keep their positions and not be transferred to an inactive post by Junta dictate, there will be a tendency for top police officials to perform investigations in a manner intended to please the NCPO. And building criminal cases against supporters of the former Yingluck administrtaion would surely fall into such a category. I give the police credit for finally making a full disclosure of their findings that the accused were not the so-called Men In Black. But if their focus and impetus for any investigations into the attack on Abhisit's entourage continues to be politically-driven, more inoccent people will be accused and the guilty will evade justice. UDD makes a fair point.

[halloween]

Creditability is a problem for the Royal Thai police who now operate under martial law and authority of the Thai military Junta. To keep their positions and not be transferred to an inactive post by Junta dictate, there will be a tendency for top police officials to perform investigations in a manner intended to please the NCPO. And building criminal cases against supporters of the former Yingluck administrtaion would surely fall into such a category. I give the police credit for finally making a full disclosure of their findings that the accused were not the so-called Men In Black. But if their focus and impetus for any investigations into the attack on Abhisit's entourage continues to be politically-driven, more inoccent people will be accused and the guilty will evade justice. UDD makes a fair point.

But as you said, they are building cases, not fabricating them, or ignoring them as they were forced to do under the last government.

BTW the only elections of the UDD that have ever been mentioned were amongst Thaksin's nominees to see who would be leader. Most of those nominees have been charged with serious crimes, and their protestations are blatantly in self interest.

[halloween]

Another UDD fairy tale - a complete work of fiction.

So they need a petition to ask for a fair probe from a Army controlled Police force that for the first time in years is actually catching criminals and not being told to look the other way by TS & PTP

Quite right, certainly a work of fiction and imagination by you. Even Somyos deny the police is linking the MIB to UDD and the death of Romklao.

.............yet.

[AleG]

Another UDD fairy tale - a complete work of fiction.

So they need a petition to ask for a fair probe from a Army controlled Police force that for the first time in years is actually catching criminals and not being told to look the other way by TS & PTP

Quite right, certainly a work of fiction and imagination by you. Even Somyos deny the police is linking the MIB to UDD and the death of Romklao.

The evidence (and confessions) points to them carrying out an attack against the soldiers on that night, that there's no evidence linking them directly to the death of Romklao doesn't invalidate that. Here's what Somyos said regarding that point:

All the suspects were involved in a firearm and grenade attack against troops dispatched to a protest rally in a small alley near the Democracy Monument on the night of April 10, 2010, Pol General Somyot Pumpunmuang, deputy National Police chief, said yesterday.

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Somyot said that under questioning, the suspects confessed that they participated in the attack. Investigators would next attempt to link the suspects to their accomplices and mastermind.

If you actually believe these people were not connected to the UDD I have a bridge to sell you.

[greenchair]

They did confess and carried out a re-enactment of the crime. One should remember that the police themselves were the ones that retracted the confession and said these five were nothing to do with 2010 incident. Which does make people ask, under what circumstances they made the confession.

[Nickymaster]

Jatuporn can read - I knew he could incite others to violence and crime,...but reading...I did not know that about him. This really changes my attitude towards him and the UDD, there is hope yet! Use this skill, Jatuporn, use it!

Most probably reading something written by Amsterdam's team.

[Nickymaster]

They did confess and carried out a re-enactment of the crime. One should remember that the police themselves were the ones that retracted the confession and said these five were nothing to do with 2010 incident. Which does make people ask, under what circumstances they made the confession.

So the police told them to say something and then the police corrected it themselves?

I thought that the police said that they might not have killed gen Ramklao because of the weapons that were being used? They didn't match. Different ammunition. But they were in the same area firing at the security officers. This part was still confirmed I believe.

[Eric Loh]

Another UDD fairy tale - a complete work of fiction.

So they need a petition to ask for a fair probe from a Army controlled Police force that for the first time in years is actually catching criminals and not being told to look the other way by TS & PTP

Quite right, certainly a work of fiction and imagination by you. Even Somyos deny the police is linking the MIB to UDD and the death of Romklao.

The evidence (and confessions) points to them carrying out an attack against the soldiers on that night, that there's no evidence linking them directly to the death of Romklao doesn't invalidate that. Here's what Somyos said regarding that point:

All the suspects were involved in a firearm and grenade attack against troops dispatched to a protest rally in a small alley near the Democracy Monument on the night of April 10, 2010, Pol General Somyot Pumpunmuang, deputy National Police chief, said yesterday.

...

Somyot said that under questioning, the suspects confessed that they participated in the attack. Investigators would next attempt to link the suspects to their accomplices and mastermind.

If you actually believe these people were not connected to the UDD I have a bridge to sell you.

Try catching up with the latest news like today. Your news like the bridge are well past it's validity.

[See the bears]

Having proof of any connection with the UDD or Thaksin, is a lot different than paying some scapegoats to put on a public show. By the way, they have already been released on bail (the norm for hard core terrorists, lol)

[AleG]

Quite right, certainly a work of fiction and imagination by you. Even Somyos deny the police is linking the MIB to UDD and the death of Romklao.

The evidence (and confessions) points to them carrying out an attack against the soldiers on that night, that there's no evidence linking them directly to the death of Romklao doesn't invalidate that. Here's what Somyos said regarding that point:

All the suspects were involved in a firearm and grenade attack against troops dispatched to a protest rally in a small alley near the Democracy Monument on the night of April 10, 2010, Pol General Somyot Pumpunmuang, deputy National Police chief, said yesterday.

...

Somyot said that under questioning, the suspects confessed that they participated in the attack. Investigators would next attempt to link the suspects to their accomplices and mastermind.

If you actually believe these people were not connected to the UDD I have a bridge to sell you.

Try catching up with the latest news like today. Your news like the bridge are well past it's validity.

Why is the news I linked at (something you haven't done) past it's validity? None of what you said invalidates it.

[AleG]

Having proof of any connection with the UDD or Thaksin, is a lot different than paying some scapegoats to put on a public show. By the way, they have already been released on bail (the norm for hard core terrorists, lol)

Link to them having been released on bail?

[marcusd]

Bigger off thida you commo thug

[fab4]

Bigger off thida you commo thug

Yeh! Wat he said. Good grief.

[scorecard]

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Having proof of any connection with the UDD or Thaksin, is a lot different than paying some scapegoats to put on a public show. By the way, they have already been released on bail (the norm for hard core terrorists, lol)

So what's your proof that they are scapegoats?

[HOOD Robin]

i am S-H-O-C-K-E-D !!!!!!!!!!

These 2 criminals/murderers should be in JAIL !!! What right do they have to drop such a load of BS on the table in front of police commissioner !

Please Prayuth, do your JOB and trow these bastards in jail and drop the key in the Chao Praya !!!!